Since Omicron is so mild the best thing would be not to isolate anyone. It will travel through the population faster and get it all over. The isolation and vaccines are what got us into this mess to start with. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
The transportation workers is a huge one. Most people rightly identify truck drivers as part of this but don't realize that if the ports shut down so does your economy.
However, you lost me on the Government officials. If these idiots had just taken the last 2 years 'off' altogether we would have been better off!
I've been tracking the NHL outbreaks, and I think it is the perfect example of the disruptive nature of shutting everything down for a virus. The NHL will survive because it's a multibillion dollar monopoly, but I can't imagine this is sustainable in the general population.
So companies should stop testing. The stupid myth that transmitting a virus is harmful or hurts productivity needs to die. How else do any of us gain the immunity that later lets us keep living / working? We are humans; we must live with our viruses or not live at all; they cause us far less illness than our own actions anyway.
Isolation for its own sake is a pointless ritual only previously taken up by those who were superfluous; the rest waited until they truly could not go to work to not go to work, and lied about not feeling under the weather otherwise. And yet workplaces did not collapse. (I brought flu to work two years in a row; no one else got flu. My current vibe on the research is that both flu and SARS-CoV-2 do not seem to transmit from sick-to-well in general. Does this mean the asymptomatic are the danger? Who cares - It is absurd to shut down workplaces before illness under the theory that this will prevent shutting down workplaces due to illness.)
When we had covid at my house, we did nothing about it. Tested at home, no running for lab confirmation to add to the numbers, kids were over it in a few days and they went back to school. BFD. People get sick. I'm tired of keeping my healthy kids home for ten days just because some other moron called the school to report their sniffles. Enough already, time to cowboy up!
Kids need to be exposed to viruses, not insulated from them. We might as well send children to swimming school and then make them “quarantine” in a towel every time they get wet, they could have been in danger of drowning after all...
One thought-- a kid in quarantine often is pretty much equivalent to a parent in quarantine because little kids need someone at home to care for them. The quarantine policies in daycares have really disrupted my working friends' lives. Moms and single parents who don't have the luxury of working from home getting hit hardest. This could add to the impact both on the economy and families on the brink.
I thought the same, and it happens over and over just due to contact tracing, even when kid already had it or has no symptoms. It s ridiculous and irrational. Kids get all kids of bugs. It never ends.
I'm not sure OAS is happening. Can't remember where but I saw a study that showed S-antibodies in Omicron cases were extrememly low. If OAS was happening you'd expect the S-antibodies (vaccinal) to be high but ineffective.
OAS means that in response to a breakthrough infection, no wide spectrum of antibodies would be produced, but instead more of original vaccine antibodies would develop. It is possible that vaccine related OAS would drive Omicron reinfections.
No. OAS would strictly mean that fewer updated spike proteins would be produced, which only has relevance to would-be “variant vaccines.” OAS was defined in 1960; the term does not get to pick and choose what it means for decades on end until it finally hits something that has any slight relevance to real-world (non-vaccine-synthesized) immunity.
Edit: this applies to the unvaxxed. If the vaxxed are asymptomatic super-spreaders for real this time then testing is waste of time, as it always has been.
The positive cases themselves are going to be only a fraction of the disruption. My son's basketball coach tested positive yesterday morning, by noon my son, being deemed a "close contact" of a positive case, was in the principal's office, waiting for me to take him out of school for at least five days. Same thing at work, everyone who is deemed a "close contact" of a positive case is required to quarantine out of the office for at least five days, then negative test back into the office. So each positive case can easily mean one person quarantining for ten days or more, and a dozen more for five or more days each.
that is pretty much how we got this round, trillions in stimulous paid to people that do not make what they buy..... but omicron and lock downs will short term cut demand for commodities and reduce gasoline demand, etc. cold weather will raise demand for fuel oil and natural gas at any rate.
Igor- I have a question on orig anti sin: My son had covid in June 2020 was fully vaxed Sept 2021 and contracted covid again a few days ago. Definitely not asymptomatic but not as sick as the first time. Why didn't his original immunity protect him vis a vis original antigenic sin? Doesn't getting a vaccine after recovery give you bullet proof immunity? My other son and I both recovered in 2020 and will not be getting vaxxed for all reasons discussed by the truth tellers on sub stack.
As Donald Rumsfeld put it, there are known knowns, known unknowns (risk of myocarditis), and unknown unknowns (risk of everything else from an untested vaccine and novel delivery method with terrible history). The unknown unknowns include a rapidly mutating virus, complete lack of clarity of "how many doses are necessary" etc.
It is completely improper to compare risk of one shot to risk of one covid. Life is much more complex, as we are learning rapidly, with variants, waning immunity, lack of clarity as to whether the firefighters are also the arsonists, etc.
The unknown unknowns totally got us in relation to what Rumsfeld was discussing (which was getting into the Middle East like an elephant barging into a china shop).
Unknown unknowns usually dominate in any situation that is difficult to understand and involves immorality, like Iraq war or Covid vaccination.
I am not even sure, frankly, if there is a point in trying to convince a virologist who does not want to listen.
Just ask him a question, why were there no successful vaccines for any coronaviruses, including Sars-1? Maybe that will either make him think, or maybe he will share something useful with you that we can learn from.
Take the shot and you have 100% chance of risk and it is systemic. Don’t take the shot and you have a chance of not getting the disease. Also may only get a small exposure. Dr McCullough says about 20% of the population doesn’t seem to be able to get it. This could be from prior SARS COV 1 exposure which seems to provide durable immunity. I took care of those patients in the ICU back then so I may be so lucky.
My anecdotal experience suggests that if you record just the KNOWN side effects that healthy virologists <40 suffered after vaccination, and then compare them with the KNOWN course of illness healthy (non-vaccinated) individuals <40 experience with covid, covid itself is often less debilitating. As a person in the latter demographic, I don't even need to know if the vaccine has significant risks to know that it was nastier to many of my acquaintances than covid itself. 48 hours of Knock-you-out-and-leave-you-for-dead vs. do-you-think-I-should-skip-my-daily-run-rats-I-can't-taste-my-coffee.
Yes, I actually had this discussion with virologists, too. They don't like "anecdata", likely because if we start to believe our eyes, we won't believe their lies.
My pet theory is that people who are immune to tuberculosis are immune to Covid. I'm immune to TB as is my brother. His wife just had Covid and he didn't get it.
This may not only apply to TB, it could be that the virus adapts to immunity from other diseases and then infects the people who were previously immune. I have no idea...
Would be interested in hearing Igor's take on this.
I did ask this question of GVB but he never replied.
>Since the delayed cell-mediated immune response, historically measured as immunoreactivity to tuberculin (tuberculin sensitivity test or TST) and presumably, the concomitant “trained immunity” conferred by BCG vaccination at childbirth wanes rapidly within first few years of childhood in the absence of “booster” Mycobacterium spp. exposures [12,15,16], the prevalent actual “trained immunity” and heterologous cell-mediated immunity correlate of any population could be a better evaluable predictive parameter of populations’ response to COVID-19 infections
No cross-reactivity from BCG-induced antibodies with SARS-CoV-2, thus no chance of ADE effect from it:
>we tested whether BCG, Pneumococcal, Rotavirus, Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Hepatitis B, Haemophilus influenzae, Hepatitis B, Meningococcal, Measles, Mumps, and Rubella vaccines provide cross-reactive neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in BALB/c mice. Results indicated that none of these vaccines provided antibodies capable of neutralizing SARS-CoV-2 up to seven weeks post vaccination. We conclude that if such vaccines have any role in COVID-19 immunity, this role is not antibody-mediated.
I am pretty certain that I had BCG, I was born in the USSR in early 70s. I also had Covid. Most residents of Russia and other countries formerly belonging to the USSR also had BCG vaccination. But covid is rampant in Russia, Lithuania, Estonia etc.
Vaccination against tuberculosis has influence on the epidemiology of SARS-2
>analysis of statistical data was conducted by experts from St Petersburg University
>incidence of COVID-19, the course of acute interstitial pneumonia caused by infection, and the mortality rate from it are associated with being vaccinated with bacilli Calmette-Guerin (BCG) according to the national vaccination schedule. The mortality rate turned out to be lower in those countries and areas where national vaccine immunization programmes have taken place for a long time or continue today, especially if revaccinations were practiced.
>BCG vaccine activates a local immune response on the mucous membranes. It is through them that acute respiratory disease caused by SARS-CoV-2 spreads
>BCG vaccine serves as a trigger for a 'trained' immune system response that activates monocytes, macrophages and natural killer cells - that power in the non-antigen-specific protective rogrammes of the body. Also, gamma-interferon, produced after BCG vaccination, and other mediators may ultimately attenuate the course of COVID-19.
>'The causative agent of the new coronavirus infection and BCG have common peptides, which means that induction of cross-immunity is possible. Large clinical trials of the BCG vaccine and trials of its use for the prevention of the new coronavirus infection are currently underway, for example, in the Netherlands and Australia'
>BCG vaccination could reduce the infection caused by SARS-2 and MCV2 vaccine years increases the total infection rate. This study identified high economic characteristics and not having universal BCG coverage as the independent risk factors of mortality by the multivariate analysis.
First of all, this idea of susceptible sub-population is an incredibly interesting idea. I am fascinated. I have several problems with it, though.
One of that if the susceptible sub-population is only 10-15%, it sort of means that 85-90% of people are NOT susceptible, so there is herd immunity, and therefore, how would the virus spread if it can only infect one out of 6 or one out of 10 persons?
Also look at Sweden (which tried to create herd immunity) vs Norway. The people living there, I would suppose, are genetically similar. But the waves in the countries were different.
I think there was atheory that cross-reactivity from other CV common cold viruses was a candidate, but there appears to be an ADE/OAS potential from NL63 and OC43.
I know Japanese researchers were looking into BCG revaccination as a Covid "cure", which is what lead me to ponder TB immunity. I know for a fact I have been exposed to Covid at least three times and I have never caught it.
I have asked GVB as I said, and also Svenanon on 4Chan (he's a scientist who posts on CVG (Corona Virus General). Really helpful guy, you ask him a question and a minute later he's sent you three studies. Awesome.
As far as I can see, no-one actually knows the answer because there is no money in studying this.
Sorry for a stupid question, all I used 4chan for in the past was naked female pictures. I could not quite find anything else useful. How do you find that cvg discussion?
unless it is the case that getting the vaccine after recovering from covid ruins your immunity. is there a paper somewhere that tries to figure this out using data?
awesome. thanks! looks like vacc may block learning, if you get vaccinated before getting infected, but it doesn't undo learning, if you recover before getting vaccinated. so herd immunity can from from people who recovered before getting vaccinated. And from people who recover & never get vaccinated.
Since Omicron is so mild the best thing would be not to isolate anyone. It will travel through the population faster and get it all over. The isolation and vaccines are what got us into this mess to start with. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
It is true and would be true even if Omicron is NOT very mild, like general Covid or twice worse.
The transportation workers is a huge one. Most people rightly identify truck drivers as part of this but don't realize that if the ports shut down so does your economy.
However, you lost me on the Government officials. If these idiots had just taken the last 2 years 'off' altogether we would have been better off!
I've been tracking the NHL outbreaks, and I think it is the perfect example of the disruptive nature of shutting everything down for a virus. The NHL will survive because it's a multibillion dollar monopoly, but I can't imagine this is sustainable in the general population.
So companies should stop testing. The stupid myth that transmitting a virus is harmful or hurts productivity needs to die. How else do any of us gain the immunity that later lets us keep living / working? We are humans; we must live with our viruses or not live at all; they cause us far less illness than our own actions anyway.
Isolation for its own sake is a pointless ritual only previously taken up by those who were superfluous; the rest waited until they truly could not go to work to not go to work, and lied about not feeling under the weather otherwise. And yet workplaces did not collapse. (I brought flu to work two years in a row; no one else got flu. My current vibe on the research is that both flu and SARS-CoV-2 do not seem to transmit from sick-to-well in general. Does this mean the asymptomatic are the danger? Who cares - It is absurd to shut down workplaces before illness under the theory that this will prevent shutting down workplaces due to illness.)
I wish that I could say it as well as you did.
When we had covid at my house, we did nothing about it. Tested at home, no running for lab confirmation to add to the numbers, kids were over it in a few days and they went back to school. BFD. People get sick. I'm tired of keeping my healthy kids home for ten days just because some other moron called the school to report their sniffles. Enough already, time to cowboy up!
Kids need to be exposed to viruses, not insulated from them. We might as well send children to swimming school and then make them “quarantine” in a towel every time they get wet, they could have been in danger of drowning after all...
"It is absurd to shut down workplaces before illness under the theory that this will prevent shutting down workplaces due to illness.)". I like it!
"An outbreak at a major nuclear power plant"
This is the real nightmare fuel...
We Substackers like to be first to voice the scariest.
One thought-- a kid in quarantine often is pretty much equivalent to a parent in quarantine because little kids need someone at home to care for them. The quarantine policies in daycares have really disrupted my working friends' lives. Moms and single parents who don't have the luxury of working from home getting hit hardest. This could add to the impact both on the economy and families on the brink.
I thought the same, and it happens over and over just due to contact tracing, even when kid already had it or has no symptoms. It s ridiculous and irrational. Kids get all kids of bugs. It never ends.
Since the aim is to crash the economy it is unfortunately quite rational.
I'm not sure OAS is happening. Can't remember where but I saw a study that showed S-antibodies in Omicron cases were extrememly low. If OAS was happening you'd expect the S-antibodies (vaccinal) to be high but ineffective.
Interesting take. I'm pretty certain OAS IS going to happen (unlike cytokine storm ADE, which was my biggest fear). We shall see.
It may well be too early to tell, Delta is still the dominant strain.
OAS means that in response to a breakthrough infection, no wide spectrum of antibodies would be produced, but instead more of original vaccine antibodies would develop. It is possible that vaccine related OAS would drive Omicron reinfections.
No. OAS would strictly mean that fewer updated spike proteins would be produced, which only has relevance to would-be “variant vaccines.” OAS was defined in 1960; the term does not get to pick and choose what it means for decades on end until it finally hits something that has any slight relevance to real-world (non-vaccine-synthesized) immunity.
So if Omicron is so mild, who gets tested?
Idiots.
If you aren't sick, you are healthy. Period.
If I have a mild cold/runny nose - probably not getting tested nor are most people I know.
Edit: this applies to the unvaxxed. If the vaxxed are asymptomatic super-spreaders for real this time then testing is waste of time, as it always has been.
10 days? Most will be asymptomatic.
True, but any that test positive regardless of symptoms will be quarantined
The positive cases themselves are going to be only a fraction of the disruption. My son's basketball coach tested positive yesterday morning, by noon my son, being deemed a "close contact" of a positive case, was in the principal's office, waiting for me to take him out of school for at least five days. Same thing at work, everyone who is deemed a "close contact" of a positive case is required to quarantine out of the office for at least five days, then negative test back into the office. So each positive case can easily mean one person quarantining for ten days or more, and a dozen more for five or more days each.
Yes, this will be even worse!!!
Since most cases are asymptomatic it seems unlikely that everyone will be out at once.
If a company is testing & 1 person tests positive, that doesn't mean they'll quarantine the entire company.
I would hope not, otherwise we would come to a standstill.
My own honest opinion, is that it best to do absolutely nothing and let it rip
Agreed!
omicron is biden's answer to inflation, tank the economy to reduce inflation.....
It may increase inflation, if no goods and more money printed
that is pretty much how we got this round, trillions in stimulous paid to people that do not make what they buy..... but omicron and lock downs will short term cut demand for commodities and reduce gasoline demand, etc. cold weather will raise demand for fuel oil and natural gas at any rate.
This is interesting... what we’ve known for awhile now,.. vaccine failure https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/stunning-covid-data-from-denmark?action=share
Yep! I wrote about it also:
https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/omicron-variant-prefers-the-vaxxed
Igor- I have a question on orig anti sin: My son had covid in June 2020 was fully vaxed Sept 2021 and contracted covid again a few days ago. Definitely not asymptomatic but not as sick as the first time. Why didn't his original immunity protect him vis a vis original antigenic sin? Doesn't getting a vaccine after recovery give you bullet proof immunity? My other son and I both recovered in 2020 and will not be getting vaxxed for all reasons discussed by the truth tellers on sub stack.
Looks like South Africa got the memo, via Berenson https://www.news24.com/news24/southafrica/news/covid-19-stop-tracing-and-quarantining-of-contacts-says-ministerial-advisory-committee-20211219
As Donald Rumsfeld put it, there are known knowns, known unknowns (risk of myocarditis), and unknown unknowns (risk of everything else from an untested vaccine and novel delivery method with terrible history). The unknown unknowns include a rapidly mutating virus, complete lack of clarity of "how many doses are necessary" etc.
It is completely improper to compare risk of one shot to risk of one covid. Life is much more complex, as we are learning rapidly, with variants, waning immunity, lack of clarity as to whether the firefighters are also the arsonists, etc.
The unknown unknowns totally got us in relation to what Rumsfeld was discussing (which was getting into the Middle East like an elephant barging into a china shop).
Unknown unknowns usually dominate in any situation that is difficult to understand and involves immorality, like Iraq war or Covid vaccination.
Your virologists are likely financed by the same interests that promote covid vaccines.
I am not even sure, frankly, if there is a point in trying to convince a virologist who does not want to listen.
Just ask him a question, why were there no successful vaccines for any coronaviruses, including Sars-1? Maybe that will either make him think, or maybe he will share something useful with you that we can learn from.
It is clear by now that covid vaxes are also unsuccessful and failed the experiment - involving a billion people.
Take the shot and you have 100% chance of risk and it is systemic. Don’t take the shot and you have a chance of not getting the disease. Also may only get a small exposure. Dr McCullough says about 20% of the population doesn’t seem to be able to get it. This could be from prior SARS COV 1 exposure which seems to provide durable immunity. I took care of those patients in the ICU back then so I may be so lucky.
Right. The risk calculation is super complicated because vax does not prevent covid and needs endless shots.
My anecdotal experience suggests that if you record just the KNOWN side effects that healthy virologists <40 suffered after vaccination, and then compare them with the KNOWN course of illness healthy (non-vaccinated) individuals <40 experience with covid, covid itself is often less debilitating. As a person in the latter demographic, I don't even need to know if the vaccine has significant risks to know that it was nastier to many of my acquaintances than covid itself. 48 hours of Knock-you-out-and-leave-you-for-dead vs. do-you-think-I-should-skip-my-daily-run-rats-I-can't-taste-my-coffee.
Yes, I actually had this discussion with virologists, too. They don't like "anecdata", likely because if we start to believe our eyes, we won't believe their lies.
Official number of covid recovered, based on seroprevalence, is 128,000,000
yes, cdc
"probably wishful thinking on my part"
I'm still struggling to get my head around this article:
https://www.hartgroup.org/only-a-fraction-of-the-population-are-susceptible-to-each-variant/
It is interesting, but Sweden is a counterexample. But it is a very exciting idea.
It doesn't make much sense does it?
My pet theory is that people who are immune to tuberculosis are immune to Covid. I'm immune to TB as is my brother. His wife just had Covid and he didn't get it.
This may not only apply to TB, it could be that the virus adapts to immunity from other diseases and then infects the people who were previously immune. I have no idea...
Would be interested in hearing Igor's take on this.
I did ask this question of GVB but he never replied.
Let me think about it and throw some ideas. Might try to disprove it to see if iy holds up to challenge.
Thank you very much Igor.
This is what I managed to get from 4Chan (I know people think 4Chan is a right-wing site full of neo-Nazis but it really isn't, just clarifying :) ).
BCG vaccine demonstrates effectiveness after 40 years (cross-reactivity with SARS-CoV-2 would last ~5 years after (re)vaccination)
https://archive.vn/V1YVf
https://archive.vn/g8FHo
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>Since the delayed cell-mediated immune response, historically measured as immunoreactivity to tuberculin (tuberculin sensitivity test or TST) and presumably, the concomitant “trained immunity” conferred by BCG vaccination at childbirth wanes rapidly within first few years of childhood in the absence of “booster” Mycobacterium spp. exposures [12,15,16], the prevalent actual “trained immunity” and heterologous cell-mediated immunity correlate of any population could be a better evaluable predictive parameter of populations’ response to COVID-19 infections
https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1008969
Reactions to the BCG vaccine are uncommon and generally mild.
>The most common side effects include fever, headache and swollen glands.
>More serious complications, such as abscesses or bone inflammation, are rare.
>Most children develop a sore at the injection site. Once healed, the sore may leave a small scar. This is normal and nothing to worry about.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/bcg-tb-vaccine-side-effects
No cross-reactivity from BCG-induced antibodies with SARS-CoV-2, thus no chance of ADE effect from it:
>we tested whether BCG, Pneumococcal, Rotavirus, Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Hepatitis B, Haemophilus influenzae, Hepatitis B, Meningococcal, Measles, Mumps, and Rubella vaccines provide cross-reactive neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in BALB/c mice. Results indicated that none of these vaccines provided antibodies capable of neutralizing SARS-CoV-2 up to seven weeks post vaccination. We conclude that if such vaccines have any role in COVID-19 immunity, this role is not antibody-mediated.
https://archive.vn/d2vB3
I am pretty certain that I had BCG, I was born in the USSR in early 70s. I also had Covid. Most residents of Russia and other countries formerly belonging to the USSR also had BCG vaccination. But covid is rampant in Russia, Lithuania, Estonia etc.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2766182
There was no statistically significant difference in the proportion of positive test results in the BCG-vaccinated group
Vaccination against tuberculosis has influence on the epidemiology of SARS-2
>analysis of statistical data was conducted by experts from St Petersburg University
>incidence of COVID-19, the course of acute interstitial pneumonia caused by infection, and the mortality rate from it are associated with being vaccinated with bacilli Calmette-Guerin (BCG) according to the national vaccination schedule. The mortality rate turned out to be lower in those countries and areas where national vaccine immunization programmes have taken place for a long time or continue today, especially if revaccinations were practiced.
>BCG vaccine activates a local immune response on the mucous membranes. It is through them that acute respiratory disease caused by SARS-CoV-2 spreads
>BCG vaccine serves as a trigger for a 'trained' immune system response that activates monocytes, macrophages and natural killer cells - that power in the non-antigen-specific protective rogrammes of the body. Also, gamma-interferon, produced after BCG vaccination, and other mediators may ultimately attenuate the course of COVID-19.
>'The causative agent of the new coronavirus infection and BCG have common peptides, which means that induction of cross-immunity is possible. Large clinical trials of the BCG vaccine and trials of its use for the prevention of the new coronavirus infection are currently underway, for example, in the Netherlands and Australia'
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20201203/Vaccination-against-tuberculosis-has-influence-on-the-epidemiology-of-COVID-19.aspx
>BCG vaccination could reduce the infection caused by SARS-2 and MCV2 vaccine years increases the total infection rate. This study identified high economic characteristics and not having universal BCG coverage as the independent risk factors of mortality by the multivariate analysis.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33588980/
First of all, this idea of susceptible sub-population is an incredibly interesting idea. I am fascinated. I have several problems with it, though.
One of that if the susceptible sub-population is only 10-15%, it sort of means that 85-90% of people are NOT susceptible, so there is herd immunity, and therefore, how would the virus spread if it can only infect one out of 6 or one out of 10 persons?
Also look at Sweden (which tried to create herd immunity) vs Norway. The people living there, I would suppose, are genetically similar. But the waves in the countries were different.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/norway/
These are my two biggest objections.
I agree that Covid waves are very strange and difficult to explain. But then, Spanish Flu also had waves.
Possibly, public health measures and seasonality both confuse everything. There is more questions than answers.
I am more open to people disproving me on this and by no means I want to present myself as some kind of an expert.
I think there was atheory that cross-reactivity from other CV common cold viruses was a candidate, but there appears to be an ADE/OAS potential from NL63 and OC43.
I know Japanese researchers were looking into BCG revaccination as a Covid "cure", which is what lead me to ponder TB immunity. I know for a fact I have been exposed to Covid at least three times and I have never caught it.
I have asked GVB as I said, and also Svenanon on 4Chan (he's a scientist who posts on CVG (Corona Virus General). Really helpful guy, you ask him a question and a minute later he's sent you three studies. Awesome.
As far as I can see, no-one actually knows the answer because there is no money in studying this.
Sorry for a stupid question, all I used 4chan for in the past was naked female pictures. I could not quite find anything else useful. How do you find that cvg discussion?
I'm just impressed you digested that article so quickly. :)
Nice mate, I see you around on various subs. I'll definitely look out for your posts (this site could do with some kind of "follow" function).
unless it is the case that getting the vaccine after recovering from covid ruins your immunity. is there a paper somewhere that tries to figure this out using data?
Not as far as i know
There is some info here:
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/graphical-deception-and-a-smoking
awesome. thanks! looks like vacc may block learning, if you get vaccinated before getting infected, but it doesn't undo learning, if you recover before getting vaccinated. so herd immunity can from from people who recovered before getting vaccinated. And from people who recover & never get vaccinated.