If you type in omicron vaccines and look at the news, the diversity of stories is telling for what is to come. As I mentioned previously, this is clearly pretext for their failed product, but we have to remember the vaccines were failing before omicron.
Yes. That would be interesting to know. I did read an article that said those "with two doses and a previous infection are not getting infected suggesting boosters will be effective" which may have been the most absurd comment I've read in my life.
The best I can tell about boosters can be seen in countries like in Europe and Israel. I have a feeling the people behind all of this did not suspect there would be such a huge drop off in immune system function. You can almost see it in them, and it seems to show worry. No, I don't believe they are concerned about the patient but the fact this could cause an unraveling of their little sideshow. It's the same with the cardiovascular issues, I don't think those were planned. So by my inferences one could suggest this was indeed planned. If planned it must have been tested. So who would ever volunteer to test such a thing? That's easy our Uigher friends in China. But the Chinese who would oversee such a study might just lie to us.
I know its speculation at this point but I don't believe anyone would be dumb enough to inject half the population with untested drugs unless they had a good handle on their results. Just throwing it out there.
But don't underestimate the ability of bureaucracies (including corporations) to be blind to evidence that would conflict with their goals, be that profit, prestige, or whatever. I'm not fully convinced that they didn't truly think the side effects would be "minimal".
If Tuskegee could happen, so could anything. There may also be competing satanic agendas at play, i.e., fast die-off vs. regulated cull. I am sure there will be adherents on either side. In 1980s, Jacques Atalli seemed to side with the former (viz. Interviews with Michel Salomon).
Psychopath Dr Mylo Canderian is of the opinion that 95% of the world's population are "Useless Eaters" who need to be euthanized as quickly as possible. When asked "How long do the vaccinated have to live?" he replied "three to ten years". "It is all measurable through hematological testing. The more shots and boosters the imbeciles get, the worse their blood will look under a microscope, and the quicker they will turn to fertilizer."
I don’t understand why all of a sudden the cabal would want to prevent mass panic when they have spent much of the last two years trying as hard as they could to whip it up.
It is like wealth. Poor people like to pretend to be richer than they are. Rich people like to pretend to be poorer than they are. Same with Covid dangerousness.
Because they don’t have the new “vaccine” for it yet. When the new “vaccine” is ready, they will put out the bulletin that we all gonna die without it. Just remember that they NEVER tell the truth.
“The cabal” could sincerely believe that Omicron is an off-ramp. It’s too early to tell, since the media has also been playing footsie with an impending reversal of the narrative (reinfections, kids in the hospital, both totally deceptive https://unglossed.substack.com/p/oh-nomicron#footnote-anchor-11 ), but setting that aside leads to the speculation that Omicron was “engineered” to be mild. That would be pretty worrying. There’s no reason to expect that goal to be successful.
They are merely exerting narrative control and looking at all the other factors (holidays, approval ratings, economics) before releasing information to the public.
It's why they waited to tell us about omicron. I'm not sure how long, but I will be interested in any info. that reveals when this first came onto Fauci's radar.
Well I guess we're going to find out. Don't forget S Africa, I suspect as W Africa (I Know), has many of the off labeled drugs readily available. You know the real killers like HCQ and IVM. Can you imagine your Doc telling you that he would rather shoot you up with some experimental mRNA shit than give you an rx for the other two drugs named above? Let that sink in. And of course good old vitamin D3, Z, and C. Yea definitely go with the concoction that has no long term studies on it.....I'M SORRY it still BOGGLES the mind!!
Just do opposite what they say is a valid strategy LOL.
I'm sure we are all hoping it is mild but keep the Ivermectin handy and get on it early. Don't wait until you need it to get the stuff on the protocol. Source things now.
Disagree strongly. Fauci has every reason to hype the threat so when he says it's actually probably quite mild that is strong support for it actually being mild. He's got everything else wrong but this one he's very likely gotten right.
Eh . there's always an ulterior motive with him. Perhaps he wants to keep people calm until the new "vaccine" is ready. then, he'll turn on a dime and sow panic.
There's no way to be sure, given his history. Basically, his statements for or against something are entirely unrelated to whether it's likely to turn out true or not.
Could be. He flip flops on everything so in a week or two we'll see. The fellow on youtube, Dr John Campbell, was showing that at the speed it is spreading it will infect everyone by late December or late January.
Wow, this comments section is incredible. I appreciate you being so active in it, Igor, and responding to critics and different viewpoints. Makes for really good reading and thinking.
Thank you. Between your last two articles, and Geert's last two articles, I feel like I understand the potential of Omicron much better.
It seems like vaccinated people may have a harder time with this variant. Perhaps that's why doctors in Africa are saying it's mild, because they have more vaccine free people.
Igor, sorry to be blunt but you are wrong on this and I explained why in detail in comments on your last post. You are not considering the impact of policy on what data are collected and how test dynamics are unfolding. Did you not read Dr. Abdullah's report on SA "Covid hospitalizations" that found 76% of hospitalizations were at best incidental to the Covid test positive (all that is required for a "case" or "hospitalization" to be tallied) and, more likely, most were simply false positives.
A very high false positive rate is inevitable when screening all hospital admissions for Covid, without requiring presentation of any Covid symptoms, as South Africa is doing (and I strongly suspect was NOT doing before the Omicron panic). This asymptomatic testing is guaranteed to yield a vast majority of false positives at low disease prevalence (anything under 10%, which is way way higher than we've seen in SA at any point in the pandemic), PARTICULARLY with the dropped S gene test probe that is included in many SA PCR tests for some reason, but is now being dropped b/c of concerns that Omicron is avoiding this test probe b/c of one or more mutations in the S gene.
I want to say that I love people disagreeing and putting forth a well argued case, like you. Yo and David are my most important and prominent critics.
I agree with you that we have a lot of false positive tests. I get that totally.
BUT WHY ARE HOSPITAL ADMISSIONS RISING ALONG WITH OMICRON CASES?
This is my main point of disagreement.
Yes, people do not end up on ventilators. But they are still in hospitals! They are there for a reason. Hospitalizations following cases. Hospitalized With what?
This is my beef with NY times and other similar articles.
And also any lagging indicators like ICU or deaths we have to compare with case rates "as of" relevant period.
I believe I just explained why: all patients are tested upon admission for Covid REGARDLESS of what symptoms they are presenting or why they are in the hospital. We also know that many/most/all Omicron patients were sent to hospital "out of an abundance of caution," so these two factors alone probably explain most/all of the uptick in "Covid hospitalizations." And it's not that these patients aren't on ventilators, they're not even on oxygen, as Dr. Abdullah remarks on and highlights in his report. In short, all the evidence points to massive #s of false positives, as we'd expect with a panic induced by finding a new variant, dropping the S gene probe, and hospitalizing patients with simply a positive Covid test and not symptoms whatsoever. Does that make sense?
The false positives resulting from asymptomatic testing ("screening") is absolutely central to the pandemic globally and while people, even very smart and math literate people like you, often notice it and note it mentally, very few people realize how much it incorrectly magnifies the alleged impact of the pandemic. A good rule of thumb, based on the false positive catastrophe resulting from screening and inherently imperfect tests, is to downgrade/discount all "cases," "hospitalizations" and "deaths" by about 90%. That makes the global "pandemic" easily on par with a bad or even normal flu season. It's an absolute travesty that isn't more widely known and acknowledged.
I mostly agree with that, not up to 90%, but yes they purposely overstate deaths to play up dangerousness. If Covid is so dangerous to residents of nursing homes, does not mean that it is as dangerous to school kids.
Time will tell us soon how dangerous Omicron is. If it kills mostly the vaccinated, they will play DOWN the deadliness because there is no money to be made from dying vaccinated people.
It is also clear and has been for some time that the large majority of the harm attributed to the virus is actually resulting from policy choices around lockdowns and isolation, and, increasingly, from the vaccines themselves.
Not hypothetical -- it's been reported that they are indeed hospitalizing positive Omicron cases out of the proverbial "abundance of caution" that has caused the large majority of what is being called the pandemic but is actually caused by poor policy choices (I've been a public policy lawyer for 20 years so I have more than a passing acquaintance with the impacts of policy choices and definitions).
One more comment: oxygen cannulae are often used more frequently now than ventilators b/c they're cheaper, easier, and don't require medical coma, and don't risk hurting the patient with long-term scarring or even death (which was a key lesson from the vast number of deaths in hospitals in NY and NJ in the US in the first few months of the pandemic, with later hospital death rates far far lower due to a change in protocol to make ventilation much more a last resort than a first resort. I've discussed this extensively with an ER doc friend who worked in NY and now works in HI and he agrees with this.
Placing the tube (intubation) is neither simple nor easy, even with well trained practitioners. Some degree of damage is expected. Placing them in an even semi-conscious patient involves force. Anything is preferable but what do staff do as oxygen sats tumble?
Cannulae is not intubation -- different treatments. Intubation is same as ventilation (just different name), but cannulae are the little nose tubes that sit in the nostrils only and supply oxygen. Vastly less invasive treatment than intubation and medical coma, which have in my view probably killed a ton of people in the pandemic through overuse.
And keep in mind that the absolute numbers for hospitalization rates are still quite low so it doesn't take that many to make it look like a large spike
I think the idea is that if you are hospitalized because you break your leg in a car crash, and test positive on intake, you count as a hospitalized covid patient for these stats. That will vary by jurisdiction of course; no idea if this is how it works in South Africa, unfortunately.
This is of great concern to me, has been from the start. Literally cannot ask any questions about anything, no more critical thought allowed! This thought process has even infected my extended family circle, my elderly parents simply cannot understand why my family is not vaxxinated with this crap because Dr. Fauci says...blah blah blah.
"EXCLUSIVE HEAR ME OUT: Let me fearmonger you a bit."
"Nah, don't panic."
What happen to you, my friend?
I agree, Omicron is very bad news for the vaccinated. But that's what everyone has already known for a while with all hypothesizing of pathogenic priming, OAS, ADE etc.. Quietly (because we are collectively de-platformed), but we knew this, you knew this.
Vaccine = setup.exe
Omicron = run.exe
For the unvaccinated = blocked by firewall. Bonus points, you get antibodies.
Quite sinister if you ask me....
In any case, I'm not sure if I want to live on this planet any more, so let's get over it with this _moronic_ thing.
Dr. Abdullah concluded: "In summary, the first impression on examination of the 166 patients admitted [in South Africa] since the Omicron variant made an appearance, together with the snapshot of the clinical profile of 42 patients currently in the COVID wards at the SBAH/TDH complex, is that the majority of hospital admissions are for diagnoses unrelated to COVID-19. The SARS-CoV-2 positivity is an incidental finding in these patients and is largely driven by hospital policy requiring testing of all patients requiring admission to the hospital."
I think where we are with Omicron is just about where we were in early 2020 with Covid in general. We know the numerator, which is how many people are turning up in hospitals with it, in South Africa, but we have no idea what the denominator is, i.e. how many people have undiagnosed, mild cases. If Omicron is indeed much more transmissible, it's entirely possible that the denominator substantially bigger that with previous variants and thus a greater portion of cases really are mild and don't require hospitalization. The fact that there appears to be less of a need for oxygen even in hospitalized cases is also promising.
Another reason not to leap at the "it's milder, so X" argument - the previously functional standard for "mild" - it's a bad flu, but there's therapeutics - was already reached with vanilla SARS-CoV-2. Didn't change the response. The goalpost can change again. The argument needs to be "even if it's not mild, X".
Igor, I love that you are seeking the truth wherever that may lead you. I can see that for you, it’s not about being right, it’s about finding out what is real and true.
Dr Geert Vanden Bossche he said it would start out appearing mild, but when it hit specific populations, eg highly vaxxed, it would be severe. He has not ruled out marek's scenario. He has been correct to date since day 1.
I love Dr Vanden Bossche. But Marek's scenario is the opposite, Marek's virus is deadly to unvaxxed chickens and mild in the vaxxed. I saw that Dr Bossche wrote about Omicron too. We will see soon. I hope that it will be mild.
The "Omicron is mild" message from Dr Fauci may be more about preventing panic than being true.
There was some confusion over 1 of his statements re: omicron "favoring" the unvaxxed. Some read it as sickening/killing us; others as selecting for survival.
Some of us don't believe in viruses anymore Igor. So if there are extra people in hospital over the norm then we go looking for reasons. And vaccinations would seem to be a good suspect.
If you type in omicron vaccines and look at the news, the diversity of stories is telling for what is to come. As I mentioned previously, this is clearly pretext for their failed product, but we have to remember the vaccines were failing before omicron.
I agree 100%
Their narrative is mutating quicker than covid, even they can't keep up!
I like to ask "who left the gaslight on?"
Igor, is there any difference (vax'd and unvax'd) between the ones who are getting hit hard that you can tell thus far?
This is the $64,000 question, as soon as I know something I will definitely say something.
English undertaker´s latest: https://brandnewtube.com/watch/funeral-director-stop-taking-these-jabs-they-are-killing-you_WZubMuHS3ujM66n.html
I'd be more interested in that question applied to Delta.
Yes. That would be interesting to know. I did read an article that said those "with two doses and a previous infection are not getting infected suggesting boosters will be effective" which may have been the most absurd comment I've read in my life.
The best I can tell about boosters can be seen in countries like in Europe and Israel. I have a feeling the people behind all of this did not suspect there would be such a huge drop off in immune system function. You can almost see it in them, and it seems to show worry. No, I don't believe they are concerned about the patient but the fact this could cause an unraveling of their little sideshow. It's the same with the cardiovascular issues, I don't think those were planned. So by my inferences one could suggest this was indeed planned. If planned it must have been tested. So who would ever volunteer to test such a thing? That's easy our Uigher friends in China. But the Chinese who would oversee such a study might just lie to us.
I know its speculation at this point but I don't believe anyone would be dumb enough to inject half the population with untested drugs unless they had a good handle on their results. Just throwing it out there.
But don't underestimate the ability of bureaucracies (including corporations) to be blind to evidence that would conflict with their goals, be that profit, prestige, or whatever. I'm not fully convinced that they didn't truly think the side effects would be "minimal".
If Tuskegee could happen, so could anything. There may also be competing satanic agendas at play, i.e., fast die-off vs. regulated cull. I am sure there will be adherents on either side. In 1980s, Jacques Atalli seemed to side with the former (viz. Interviews with Michel Salomon).
Psychopath Dr Mylo Canderian is of the opinion that 95% of the world's population are "Useless Eaters" who need to be euthanized as quickly as possible. When asked "How long do the vaccinated have to live?" he replied "three to ten years". "It is all measurable through hematological testing. The more shots and boosters the imbeciles get, the worse their blood will look under a microscope, and the quicker they will turn to fertilizer."
https://www.henrymakow.com/2021/07/how-long-do-vaccinated-have-to.html
All three sets of lots? Apparently, all deaths followed jabs in just 5% of the lots.
Just look at Wales. https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/yet-another-reason-vaccines-dont
I don’t understand why all of a sudden the cabal would want to prevent mass panic when they have spent much of the last two years trying as hard as they could to whip it up.
How to account for this change in tactic?
Because now the vaccinated are being decimated?
It is like wealth. Poor people like to pretend to be richer than they are. Rich people like to pretend to be poorer than they are. Same with Covid dangerousness.
Because they don’t have the new “vaccine” for it yet. When the new “vaccine” is ready, they will put out the bulletin that we all gonna die without it. Just remember that they NEVER tell the truth.
Because this time round there will be overwhelmed hospitals & mass death. And there will be no control of the message.
yep
“The cabal” could sincerely believe that Omicron is an off-ramp. It’s too early to tell, since the media has also been playing footsie with an impending reversal of the narrative (reinfections, kids in the hospital, both totally deceptive https://unglossed.substack.com/p/oh-nomicron#footnote-anchor-11 ), but setting that aside leads to the speculation that Omicron was “engineered” to be mild. That would be pretty worrying. There’s no reason to expect that goal to be successful.
They are merely exerting narrative control and looking at all the other factors (holidays, approval ratings, economics) before releasing information to the public.
It's why they waited to tell us about omicron. I'm not sure how long, but I will be interested in any info. that reveals when this first came onto Fauci's radar.
I see some congruity with Dr. Vanden Bossche https://voiceforscienceandsolidarity.substack.com/p/to-all-those-who-believe-omicron
Well I guess we're going to find out. Don't forget S Africa, I suspect as W Africa (I Know), has many of the off labeled drugs readily available. You know the real killers like HCQ and IVM. Can you imagine your Doc telling you that he would rather shoot you up with some experimental mRNA shit than give you an rx for the other two drugs named above? Let that sink in. And of course good old vitamin D3, Z, and C. Yea definitely go with the concoction that has no long term studies on it.....I'M SORRY it still BOGGLES the mind!!
IF Fausti says it's mild THEN it must be bad.
Just do opposite what they say is a valid strategy LOL.
I'm sure we are all hoping it is mild but keep the Ivermectin handy and get on it early. Don't wait until you need it to get the stuff on the protocol. Source things now.
https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Alliance-I-MASKplus-Protocol-ENGLISH.pdf
Yeah, well said!
Disagree strongly. Fauci has every reason to hype the threat so when he says it's actually probably quite mild that is strong support for it actually being mild. He's got everything else wrong but this one he's very likely gotten right.
Eh . there's always an ulterior motive with him. Perhaps he wants to keep people calm until the new "vaccine" is ready. then, he'll turn on a dime and sow panic.
There's no way to be sure, given his history. Basically, his statements for or against something are entirely unrelated to whether it's likely to turn out true or not.
I agree. That was my thought exactly. Fraudci didn’t suddenly decide to stop playing god. Or should I say satan.
Fauci openly stated in meetings with Scott Atlas that people needed to "be more afraid."
When Fauci complained during one meeting that Americans didn’t take the virus seriously. Atlas challenged him to clarify his point.
Atlas writes, “Because I couldn’t believe my ears, I asked, ‘So you think people aren’t frightened enough?"
Fauci said, "Yes, they need to be more afraid."
Could be. He flip flops on everything so in a week or two we'll see. The fellow on youtube, Dr John Campbell, was showing that at the speed it is spreading it will infect everyone by late December or late January.
Then we may finally have herd immunity LOL.
I agree, do the opposite of what the "experts" say and you will be fine!
That sounds so flippant but it’s actually sound advice and exactly what I plan to do.
Agree!!
I got mine from push health the next day. $64 for push health. Very quick and easy.
Wow, this comments section is incredible. I appreciate you being so active in it, Igor, and responding to critics and different viewpoints. Makes for really good reading and thinking.
I am so thankful to all people who post their thoughtful and interesting messages. Your responses amaze me and I learned so much.
Thank you. Between your last two articles, and Geert's last two articles, I feel like I understand the potential of Omicron much better.
It seems like vaccinated people may have a harder time with this variant. Perhaps that's why doctors in Africa are saying it's mild, because they have more vaccine free people.
Yes, i agree.
Igor, sorry to be blunt but you are wrong on this and I explained why in detail in comments on your last post. You are not considering the impact of policy on what data are collected and how test dynamics are unfolding. Did you not read Dr. Abdullah's report on SA "Covid hospitalizations" that found 76% of hospitalizations were at best incidental to the Covid test positive (all that is required for a "case" or "hospitalization" to be tallied) and, more likely, most were simply false positives.
A very high false positive rate is inevitable when screening all hospital admissions for Covid, without requiring presentation of any Covid symptoms, as South Africa is doing (and I strongly suspect was NOT doing before the Omicron panic). This asymptomatic testing is guaranteed to yield a vast majority of false positives at low disease prevalence (anything under 10%, which is way way higher than we've seen in SA at any point in the pandemic), PARTICULARLY with the dropped S gene test probe that is included in many SA PCR tests for some reason, but is now being dropped b/c of concerns that Omicron is avoiding this test probe b/c of one or more mutations in the S gene.
I hope all of this makes sense.
Here again is the SAMRC report from Dr. Abdullah: https://www.samrc.ac.za/news/tshwane-district-omicron-variant-patient-profile-early-features
Even New York Times wrote about this today in terms of being good data suggesting very low severity: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/06/world/africa/omicron-coronavirus-research-spread.html?referringSource=articleShare
And here's my short write up on this: https://tamhunt.medium.com/omicron-south-african-hospitalization-increases-appear-to-be-mostly-an-artifact-of-incidental-covid-c34f3bfe2d5b
Here's a USNews article by Harvard Med School professor Branch-Elliman on how the vast majority of screening test results are false positives at low disease prevalence: https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-07-14/why-covid-19-screening-should-be-used-sparingly-in-schools
And here's my essay on what I call the "false positive catastrophe": https://tamhunt.medium.com/omicron-south-african-hospitalization-increases-appear-to-be-mostly-an-artifact-of-incidental-covid-c34f3bfe2d5b
Last, here is an academic preprint of our paper on the false positive catastrophe: https://www.authorea.com/users/61793/articles/527660-the-false-positive-paradox-and-the-risks-of-testing-asymptomatic-people-for-covid-19
I want to say that I love people disagreeing and putting forth a well argued case, like you. Yo and David are my most important and prominent critics.
I agree with you that we have a lot of false positive tests. I get that totally.
BUT WHY ARE HOSPITAL ADMISSIONS RISING ALONG WITH OMICRON CASES?
This is my main point of disagreement.
Yes, people do not end up on ventilators. But they are still in hospitals! They are there for a reason. Hospitalizations following cases. Hospitalized With what?
This is my beef with NY times and other similar articles.
And also any lagging indicators like ICU or deaths we have to compare with case rates "as of" relevant period.
I believe I just explained why: all patients are tested upon admission for Covid REGARDLESS of what symptoms they are presenting or why they are in the hospital. We also know that many/most/all Omicron patients were sent to hospital "out of an abundance of caution," so these two factors alone probably explain most/all of the uptick in "Covid hospitalizations." And it's not that these patients aren't on ventilators, they're not even on oxygen, as Dr. Abdullah remarks on and highlights in his report. In short, all the evidence points to massive #s of false positives, as we'd expect with a panic induced by finding a new variant, dropping the S gene probe, and hospitalizing patients with simply a positive Covid test and not symptoms whatsoever. Does that make sense?
Your reasoning makes sense, but it is hypothetical. DO they really hospitalize people with NO symptoms?
The false positives resulting from asymptomatic testing ("screening") is absolutely central to the pandemic globally and while people, even very smart and math literate people like you, often notice it and note it mentally, very few people realize how much it incorrectly magnifies the alleged impact of the pandemic. A good rule of thumb, based on the false positive catastrophe resulting from screening and inherently imperfect tests, is to downgrade/discount all "cases," "hospitalizations" and "deaths" by about 90%. That makes the global "pandemic" easily on par with a bad or even normal flu season. It's an absolute travesty that isn't more widely known and acknowledged.
I mostly agree with that, not up to 90%, but yes they purposely overstate deaths to play up dangerousness. If Covid is so dangerous to residents of nursing homes, does not mean that it is as dangerous to school kids.
Time will tell us soon how dangerous Omicron is. If it kills mostly the vaccinated, they will play DOWN the deadliness because there is no money to be made from dying vaccinated people.
Would you be interested in posting our "Covid stats are grossly exaggerated" essay as a guest post and requesting feedback from your readers?
It could be well over 90% and is getting more and more demonstrable. We explain the details in this piece and cite the literature that supports this view: https://tamhunt.medium.com/how-covid-19-stats-are-grossly-exaggerated-a-brief-summary-of-the-arguments-53a5b4237c4c
It is also clear and has been for some time that the large majority of the harm attributed to the virus is actually resulting from policy choices around lockdowns and isolation, and, increasingly, from the vaccines themselves.
Not hypothetical -- it's been reported that they are indeed hospitalizing positive Omicron cases out of the proverbial "abundance of caution" that has caused the large majority of what is being called the pandemic but is actually caused by poor policy choices (I've been a public policy lawyer for 20 years so I have more than a passing acquaintance with the impacts of policy choices and definitions).
One more comment: oxygen cannulae are often used more frequently now than ventilators b/c they're cheaper, easier, and don't require medical coma, and don't risk hurting the patient with long-term scarring or even death (which was a key lesson from the vast number of deaths in hospitals in NY and NJ in the US in the first few months of the pandemic, with later hospital death rates far far lower due to a change in protocol to make ventilation much more a last resort than a first resort. I've discussed this extensively with an ER doc friend who worked in NY and now works in HI and he agrees with this.
Yes, I am not an expert on this but I heard this before and it makes sense.
Placing the tube (intubation) is neither simple nor easy, even with well trained practitioners. Some degree of damage is expected. Placing them in an even semi-conscious patient involves force. Anything is preferable but what do staff do as oxygen sats tumble?
Cannulae is not intubation -- different treatments. Intubation is same as ventilation (just different name), but cannulae are the little nose tubes that sit in the nostrils only and supply oxygen. Vastly less invasive treatment than intubation and medical coma, which have in my view probably killed a ton of people in the pandemic through overuse.
And keep in mind that the absolute numbers for hospitalization rates are still quite low so it doesn't take that many to make it look like a large spike
75% did not go to the hospital because of covid, but for other health issues, it just happened they were tested positive.
that's what Abdullah's data suggest but it's probably even higher than that
I think the idea is that if you are hospitalized because you break your leg in a car crash, and test positive on intake, you count as a hospitalized covid patient for these stats. That will vary by jurisdiction of course; no idea if this is how it works in South Africa, unfortunately.
It's a sad comment on society when debates such as this one are literally banned from mainstream media and medicine.
Yes, this pains me so much, like you would not believe.
Indeed!
This is of great concern to me, has been from the start. Literally cannot ask any questions about anything, no more critical thought allowed! This thought process has even infected my extended family circle, my elderly parents simply cannot understand why my family is not vaxxinated with this crap because Dr. Fauci says...blah blah blah.
I don’t trust the NYT. They have been one of the most dishonest need outlets.
I would use it for a bird cage liner... But the birds wouldn't like it either
*news outlets*
"EXCLUSIVE HEAR ME OUT: Let me fearmonger you a bit."
"Nah, don't panic."
What happen to you, my friend?
I agree, Omicron is very bad news for the vaccinated. But that's what everyone has already known for a while with all hypothesizing of pathogenic priming, OAS, ADE etc.. Quietly (because we are collectively de-platformed), but we knew this, you knew this.
Vaccine = setup.exe
Omicron = run.exe
For the unvaccinated = blocked by firewall. Bonus points, you get antibodies.
Quite sinister if you ask me....
In any case, I'm not sure if I want to live on this planet any more, so let's get over it with this _moronic_ thing.
You have quite a sense of humor, Kim! :-)
Dr. Abdullah concluded: "In summary, the first impression on examination of the 166 patients admitted [in South Africa] since the Omicron variant made an appearance, together with the snapshot of the clinical profile of 42 patients currently in the COVID wards at the SBAH/TDH complex, is that the majority of hospital admissions are for diagnoses unrelated to COVID-19. The SARS-CoV-2 positivity is an incidental finding in these patients and is largely driven by hospital policy requiring testing of all patients requiring admission to the hospital."
I think where we are with Omicron is just about where we were in early 2020 with Covid in general. We know the numerator, which is how many people are turning up in hospitals with it, in South Africa, but we have no idea what the denominator is, i.e. how many people have undiagnosed, mild cases. If Omicron is indeed much more transmissible, it's entirely possible that the denominator substantially bigger that with previous variants and thus a greater portion of cases really are mild and don't require hospitalization. The fact that there appears to be less of a need for oxygen even in hospitalized cases is also promising.
Another reason not to leap at the "it's milder, so X" argument - the previously functional standard for "mild" - it's a bad flu, but there's therapeutics - was already reached with vanilla SARS-CoV-2. Didn't change the response. The goalpost can change again. The argument needs to be "even if it's not mild, X".
Igor, I love that you are seeking the truth wherever that may lead you. I can see that for you, it’s not about being right, it’s about finding out what is real and true.
Thank you. The way I see it, if I am wrong, it is not a big deal. If I am right, at least I warned my readers in advance.
How about this one. https://dailysceptic.org/2021/12/07/south-african-data-suggests-the-omicron-variant-is-mild/ I am hoping you are wrong Igor, but I value your work and I am keeping an open mind. Thanks.
Dr Geert Vanden Bossche he said it would start out appearing mild, but when it hit specific populations, eg highly vaxxed, it would be severe. He has not ruled out marek's scenario. He has been correct to date since day 1.
I love Dr Vanden Bossche. But Marek's scenario is the opposite, Marek's virus is deadly to unvaxxed chickens and mild in the vaxxed. I saw that Dr Bossche wrote about Omicron too. We will see soon. I hope that it will be mild.
The "Omicron is mild" message from Dr Fauci may be more about preventing panic than being true.
I think I remembered it backwards. I've read too much lately!
More likely was: It started in the vaxxed, which is why it looks mild now. When it hits unvaxxed we'll see.
Where I really get confused is when articles don't clarify unvaxxed/recovered vs unvaxxed/naive.
There was some confusion over 1 of his statements re: omicron "favoring" the unvaxxed. Some read it as sickening/killing us; others as selecting for survival.
Maybe hedging his predictions?
Thank you. I appreciate that there's some few places left I can come to get unbiased information, and the data to mull over myself.
Has there been a recent increase in vax uptake in SA?
good question
ourworldindata is showing yes but not a huge increase. The majority were done Aug-Oct but only about 25% of the population are shot up.
Some of us don't believe in viruses anymore Igor. So if there are extra people in hospital over the norm then we go looking for reasons. And vaccinations would seem to be a good suspect.