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Dr. Hubris's avatar

Of course! You cannot have a functioning society if everything is "for profit"... this is bananas!

Bloody hell - here comes monkeypox :P!

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Seriously though, when everything is "for profit", it means that our tax dollars are not used in any way that benefits us... in other words, they are stolen.

As simple as that and as American as apple pie...

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YYR's avatar

Sent to Ukraine?

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NO! We will wait for them to come to the "free" world and THEN force-jab them :P!

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We could call those "Jabelines" :)? Far more lethal :P...

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Bigs's avatar

If we were in a free market then Pfizer would be bankrupt decades ago and there would be safer and more effective treatments competing with each other. We do not have anything even resembling a free market. Money is not the problem, profits are not the problem, government is the problem

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This myth of the "free market" again... The government is the problem because it doesn't tax billionaires out of existence; with private power accumulated , we see fascism ascending to power.

But I don't think this is what you mean; I think you believe that if you leave a very complex, non-linear system by itself, it will find "miraculously" operating in stable conditions... This is ridiculonomics... If that was the case, engineers would be out of jobs, because any system would automatically be stable just by connecting any input to any output. The whole "boom and bust" cycles indicate an UNSTABLE system... if the system was stable, the output would not fluctuate wildly.

As prof. Michael Hudson was explaining, if the government is small, the economy planning happens elsewhere: wallstreet.... and this is why we pay for school and healthcare (but have the worst outcomes at both) , this is why we have potholes in our streets that never get fixed, homeless people and we don't have high speed trains... because the only goal of the private tyrannies is profits, at no matter what cost for the society or the planet.

This corrupt system that prioritizes the "profit" for very few is reflected in the greed and utter incompetence at all levels of the economy; in most companies I have worked so far, most managers were business major idiots, not technical persons, just because their only value is to please their "lords and masters" from Wallstreet. They are the ones responsible for the stock buy-backs and all dirty tricks that ruin the companies... Take Boeing - for example; it became a joke! "If it's Boeing, I'm not going".

The CURRENT government is part of the problem for sure, but a good government could be the cure.

Frankly, the current government is just an extension of Wallstreet and the "WEF" and this is the part that needs to change.

And it is the "WEF" because the correct name would be WFF, but they freely use "economic" instead of "financial" as if it was the same thing.

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Bigs's avatar

OK read the rest of what you said. Does a private shopping mall have potholes in the car park? But government roads do. That about sums it up really. When a market is regulated, like medical, the first things bought and sold are the regulators - and you're looking right at that problem but can't see it? If only we could have a bigger more powerful government huh?

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I honestly can't say that I have the solution... I really don't. Any state should be run for NATIONAL interests, as opposite to private interests, if we are to call ourselves a "country".

Again, the state is just doing the bidding of corporations and private power, and that should be fixed. Do I have a solution to this? I am not that smart. But if you think that by removing the power of the government anything would be achieved, you are wrong; they have no power at all... they just execute what they are told by those who control their financial interests. They are just a layer that creates the illusion of democracy.

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You can see the problem, accept the problem exists and yet you still think more government would fix the problem created by the government? You literally just said that you can see, with your own eyes, that gov is just doing what the bribery bribers are bribing it to do, but taking away their powers to do this shit would be bad, because...? "Reasons"?

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Any country needs a government, otherwise WHO will run it (pun intended).

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Bigs's avatar

Yeah if we didn't have a group using force against us that can be bribed by the highest bidder, we could find ourselves subjected to force by bad people or something. Terrible

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Boom and bust is because of money printing (putting it in simple terms) which again comes down to government, not the peaceful exchange of goods and services

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The government borrows money from a private bank called "the FED", and puts it on our tab... the money they borrow ends up feeding the ghouls from the MIC, FIRE and whatnot.

They do that because they are corrupt (of course) and do the bidding of private interests.

The simple fact that they moved the most industrial production to Asia, including sensitive and critical industries is an act of national treason... but that is OK, because we are not a country anymore; we are a mega corporation... and the state is fascistic in nature.

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Also: how do you explain that 4 pharmaceutical companies, made all the same mistake at the same time? All 4 employed one of two methods to make your body generate pathogenic spike proteins in your body. If this was a free market (as you say), we would be all out of pharmaceutical companies :)...

This whole plandemic came from the WHO and the "WEF", and everybody executed what they were told.

It is not like Pfuckzer was uniquely bad, while the other 3 were good - not at all. This is just a program, following an agenda.

... and this shows why a good government is needed; the CDC and the FDA should have regulated this CAPS pandemic... I'm sorry - Monekypox... oh! my bad - COVID-19... but they didn't, because they are corrupted. Government job is important, if done properly. In our case, we can hope that we can fix the CDC and the FDA, but if the big pharma was explicitly not-regulated, where would we turn to?

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Well it's good that you have started to think about the issue... No I didn't say we would be out of pharma companies, I said Pfizer would be bankrupt. For regulation why not take the same approach that we already know works? Which is leaving it open to competition. Yes the approval/regulation process itself should be competitive, without force

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... but who would make sure that they don't make monopolies to eliminate the competition and they sell us toxic sludge (which is "good for us" - in case you didn't know)?

Practically we are at that point, where there is NO regulation from the FDA and CDC....

Where are the laws against monopoly? There are fewer and fewer but ever bigger corporation...

Who would make sure that the "free market" would stay free, when they all dream monopolistic dreams?

Who can stop that ridiculous evil clown - Schwab - from his wet dreams to rule the world? Is it "free market" or a Kinzhal?

The mess we are in is because the government are NOT doing their regulatory jobs... just saying.

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Bigs's avatar

No, it's because they are doing their role, which is protecting companies from competitors. A monopoly cannot occur or last without such force protecting it

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Even simpler: the fact that there is bad sex, it doesn't mean that sex is bad :P.

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