The most success I've had in discussion is with people who just assume I've been vaccinated because I'm a scientist and seem reasonably rational. (I don't fit their preconceived notion of a raging Trump-supporting hillbilly antivaxxer, I guess.)
I generally don't disabuse them of that idea, just let it exist as their assumption. I use expansive statements like, "we who support vaccination science" and "those of us who really hoped these vaccines would be effective" or something like that, in an effort to demonstrate that I am not their enemy. I try to stay calm and objectively discuss research findings. I try not to rely on too many anecdotes, but sometimes data is too abstract for people and you have to bring up the person you know who had a breakthrough and spread it around their office because they didn't run a fever. But in the end, I find that if I just try to make it about "us"as humans, I get a lot more buy in from the very invested vaccinated.
That being said, however, I did have a nice calm conversation with a vaccinated friend (maybe not a friend anymore?) who agreed with me that the vaccines were largely ineffective, admitted the vaccinated can and do become infected and spread covid, and stated that mandates were an overreach-but when I finally told her I had recovered from covid as an unvaccinated individual, she literally jumped out of my car at the stoplight to get away from me.
"...when I finally told her I had recovered from covid as an unvaccinated individual, she literally jumped out of my car at the stoplight to get away from me." Because...the "science." So many of these people are so terrified of covid and have received so much misinformation about it that it's sad and scary.
We were having such a nice reasonable conversation prior to my confession. I was driving her home after having had coffee, following the stupid CA rules of wearing a mask to walk in, but taking it off after sitting. She just screeched, "You aren't vaccinated?" "No, I suffered through three weeks of covid and so am nicely full of sterilizing antibodies." To no avail, she jumped out. Refused to get back in. We were only a few blocks from her house, so she opted to walk. I laugh, of course, at the sheer silliness of the whole thing, but at the heart of it, it is really shocking and sad.
I have had this too! Okay they didn't jump out of car, but even tho I had it OVER A YEAR ago, the guy suddenly decided he needed to be 6ft away from me again while we talked. Mentally I was SMH but also howling w/laughter. This speaks to such a number that has been done on them, psychologically, that even tho this guy is gene-therapized, and not at all up on the ineffectiveness of the gene therapy and so theoretically confident, STILL it is like the un-gene-therapized and the naturally infected have been branded as untouchable. Such power, I have now...my own force field!
So far, she has not responded to texts and has removed me from her instagram. I am heresy....but to her credit she did get some extra steps, fresh air and sun, so I'm sure that was good for her immune system. :-)
Wow. I am curious to see how this will turn out. Let’s hope she comes to her senses. If not, I suppose this is a way of winnowing out the fair-weather Covidians from your life …
I’m so happy I found this thread and can totally relate to everything everyone has replied here! Thank you for sharing - you are my people!! I had a similar experience- back in June I was whitewater rafting with a friend who told me he considered me to be a murderer because I choose to not get the experimental “vaccine”! With a straight face and not a hint of sarcasm in his eyes. Ruined my whole day - I was floored. Instead of backing down however, I asked him, “you don’t really believe that, do you?” He replied, “yes I do!” He went on to accuse the unvaccinated of spreading it and therefore causing others to die. I was angry. I simply told him that as a God fearing Christian man his faith and trust was seriously misplaced in the hands of evil, dishonest politicians and big pharma! I was stunned. Thankfully, we were close to the take out and the trip was over. When I got a second alone with my husband (who had been paddling solo in his kayak) I told him what had happened and we were both kind of in shocked disbelief that our “friend” could have ever said such a thing. While loading our gear, I felt the courage to stand up for myself and challenge my friend about his accusation - I said, “you know that there are more vaccinated people getting breakthrough infections and spreading the virus, right?”. This was just after the breakthrough event in Massachusetts (I think it was there). I was trying to remain calm as I spoke but a woman nearby must have sensed my frustration with him and she actually jumped in to my defense by sharing more facts and recent data to support my argument! But like most brainwashed pro-vaxers who can’t handle truth, he shut down the conversation. It didn’t matter though, I got my point across. We are still friends today bc I forgive him for being stupid and I doubt he will ever bring it up again. I don’t want the shot and I will fight to the end to resist it. I appreciate the great suggestions posted here on how to make simple truthful comments to
A_mi, I’m so happy you found this thread, too, and thank you for sharing your shocking-not-shocking story! You were brave to speak up, and I hope your friend will eventually wake up to his brainwashing. Meanwhile, you’ve got plenty of support on Substack, and I welcome you to join the wonderful community over at my blog, too :-)
I responded to a slightly asinine post on facebook about vaccines.I posted up a meta-analysis paper showing vaccinated and unvaccinated could pass on the virus as well as a CDC statement about masks being fairly useless...one of the "entranced" was telling the person whose page it was, to ignore me because "they" only accept published science and CDC statements...which is what I posted.Its not really possible to break the depth of the trance state of people like that..
In re: Anti-Covid-Vax garb: "I Am Trans-Vaccinated, But I Identify as Immunocompetent. My pronouns are letsgo/jared." Add unicorns, rainbows, stars and sparkles ofc. V v brave if you go this step!
But how to reach those people as they are unlikely to wind up at my blog? To my delight, some people have started tweeting my letters at colluders, Covidians, and the scientifically-minded but deluded. I don’t do much on social media besides share my posts, but I have proposed hashtag campaigns such as #LetterToAColluder and #LetterToACovidian. I need social media maestros to help bring this to fruition, though.
Regardless, since my pieces often address Covidians directly and contain a massive amount of research/resources, people can easily wield them in exchanges with family, friends, and others they are trying to awaken. I can provide the tools, but it’s up to my readers to help deploy them.
I will also be launching a new series detailing my exchanges with Covidians on a private platform and the lessons I’ve gleaned from such attempts. Although it seems futile at times, I do believe I am reaching the silent swing thinkers who may be eavesdropping but not diving into the wreckage directly.
Would you like to write an article or what WORKS in talking to regular people who became zombified, wear three masks, proud of being vaccinated, and so on?
I think you will never reach those types. Estimated 30%. Talk with the 40% who have at least a smidgen of open-mindedness and ability to think critically. One huge challenge is that A LOT of people (including many highly educated) trust "authorities." They need to learn "trust but verify."
*lol* I’m still trying to figure that one out ;-) I will be writing about what I learned doesn’t work by observing the failures of others (e.g., ad hominem attacks) and the techniques I found enabled me to engage in respectful dialogue with the less rabid Covidians as well as the more aggressive tacks I took with the belligerent ones.
I agree with what it says but I think the format is woeful. Off putting. It shouts too much. Makes me wince. I have to narrow my eyes to read the text between the headlines.
And too much text. The messages are simpler.
And how to de program? I think they need hitting with simple slogan type postulates for that's what they live on.
Stop the reasoning, the persuasion, the logic, the logic, the data, 'It does me 'ed in' as the UK kids say. They won't read it, won't absorb it, won't think about it.
I suggest broadcasting this as much as possible:
. The Virus is nothing like as bad as it is made out to be.
. Even if it were the Vaccines and such are no way to stop it.
That kind of thing. Those exact things.
And only two things at a time.
And wait for them to ASK or defy us to prove them and only then present the proofs. Bit by bit.
Those two things are in fact the essence of the whole thing.
Govts reckon there's a terrible scourge out there: there isn't.
Govts reckon they have a magic bullet: they don't.
In all the welter and the chaos the simple truth gets shouted down, lost sight of.
I think we should just quietly and obdurately and with as little confrontation and fuss as possible bring it back.
When confronted silently hand out graphic evidence supporting the truth: pie charts, bar charts, graphs, data lists.
For a while there I made QI codes from links to good data, youtube vids, etc and printed them out on sheets of A4 paper and pasted them up around town. No comment. It just said 'Covid' on the top of the sheet. I think I had about ten codes on each sheet. In tiny print on top of each code was some indication of what that link was about but generally they were all just anonymous QI codes.
Idea being, of course, that people indoctrinated, programmed, to point their smartphones at QI codes in shopping malls and wherever would point and click and find themselves looking at a truth telling video.
Haven't done it for some time now. I still think it was a good method and I do plan to return to it. The whole issue has segued away from the validity of the measures and the lies about covid into a full on thing about vaccinations now.
And bug your politicians. Oh yes, I am totally in favour of that. It is our social contract as citizens of democracies it is what we should be doing first and foremost. Give them facts we have and give them our opinions, it's all legitimate.
Yep. I think don't confront, silently hand out proofs, bug the pollies, Give simple in your face two liners which, however, are indisputably true and can be proven. And post up QI codes.
Some good ideas here, and you’re right about the one-liners and two-liners, the best way to start. Real science confuses the simple-minded, which are most people. They feel like they might be being bamboozled, and in many cases, they have been!
Do you really think so? I am noticing that there is tons of negative interaction in comment threads on MSM narrative posts, more than in the past. But I wonder if the covidians have just given up on that space? I keep posting for my own peace of mind, but it feels like no one is changing their mind yet....
Thanks, Igor. This is a good initiative. I sense many people are building groups of like minded friends to discuss these issues. I have three local groups in my area who hold meetings on a weekly basis. This is also a way to generate community and problem solve difficult questions like how to bring people out of the Covid cult thinking.
This was a mixture of personal contacts and finding groups on Telegram. I also joined a new political party which strongly opposes the measures and they are active locally with one or two meetings per week.
Thank you for this post! I spend many hours nearly every day trying to understand what is happening and relaying the information to friends and family via email, posts on Fakebook, and posts on Twitter. It isn't enough. And I'm sad to report many of my family members and friends are vaxxed and some are Covidians. I'm not sure they are capable...will ever be capable...of admitting they made a mistake. I'm pretty certain two of my brothers aren't speaking to me, but I can't say I consider it a loss. I'm beginning to think they deserve what is coming...but I have two young adult children and nieces and nephews who do not.
I've posted the following clip of the CDC director admitting to Blitzer in early August that the jabs don't stop infection or transmission and that the fully vaxxed and unvaxxed have similar viral loads...probably a hundred times. It bounces off them. This morning, I posted it again on Fakebook because the Pennsylvania Dept of Health claimed...again...that the vaxxes stop infection and transmission. There's a lot of push back on the posts; and, I suspect, paid operators working for the evil empire.
BTW, thank you for acknowledging that there are spies reading your stack. I've confronted them on Unreported Truths and Bad Cattitude. Clearly, they are sent to dwell among us in our "safe spaces" to subtly undermine the message or our confidence. Some are obvious. Some are clever. We need to call them out in sub stack as well.
Yes, these stacks keep us from losing heart (never gonna get the effing shots) and giving up...but we must do more. The evil empire isn't going to give up easily.
For believers, I like to point out the similarity to the worldwide vaccination campaign with the Fifth Trumpet: https://txti.es/fifthtrumpet ... that probably gives some Christians pause for thought.
I'm also equally or more concerned about vaccine passports aka "freedom passes" since they are actually segregating people. I point out that, once you enter that system, to remain in it you have to accept whatever jab or booster you are told to take. Better to say No now... because it's going to be much harder by your 6th booster!
the vax passes are my hill to die on. people seem to get it, but then they just go ahead and flash them merrily and tell me we can order take out sometime. it's bonkers and very painful.
I prefer "hill to kill on" as that sounds more fun from my perspective. Besides dieing I can only do once but I can do a lot more than one killing. LOL.
Thank you, Igor, for this post. I like your ideas and suggestions. Personally, I am struggling just to find a way to share my concerns about vaccinating children with my siblings, who all have kids under the age of 12. I know they are very dug in on this issue and will not want to hear what I have to say. Yet, if I don't say anything, and something bad happens to any of my nieces and nephews, I will have to live with my decision to be silent.
I agree it is very important not to lie. And along those same lines, it's important to stay in the present and not try to predict the future. The truth is that none of us knows what's going to happen during the coming months. We have our fears. But that's all they are right now -- fears.
So, I would say, be truthful, stay in the present, stick to the facts, don't try to predict the future.
I find the best way to get people to think about "vax-ports" is to ask them:
"How many shots are you going to take?"
Then tell them the following:
"Canada has bought 135 million MORE shots for 38 million people. That's 3 MORE each plus extra for spoilage and waste"
Then follow up with:
"Israel just took away privileges from 1.5 million people for refusing the 3rd injection. They've announced the 4th is coming. Lithuania is the same but announcing the 4th & 5th shots"
And finally leave them with this thought:
"You can say "NO" at zero injections or you can say "NO" at 3, 4, 5 and the result is the same. When you REFUSE you lose all your PRIVILEGES because you have NO RIGHTS. You gave them away when you agreed to the vaccine passport"
Say "NO" now or just leave your sleeve rolled up and be a pin cushion for experimental gene therapy injections.
Thank you for this fabulous action plan and the suggestions in the comments! I can see what is happening very clearly and am independent enough to post like a madwoman about it all, but my biggest failing is in person conversations which I realize offer the biggest opportunity for real effects. So I would really like to get better at that! Can we post more scripts? Here's one I learned from a fellow freedom fighter and failed miserably to use in conversation. We have vax passes here which sucks big time and a fellow mom was complaining about them in regards to her 14 year old daughter (pass is 13+). I thought she was on the same page as me and so I was completely taken aback by her next statement which was that she wanted her daughter to get vaxxed ASAP but her daughter didn't want to do it and neither did the father. What I should have said was, that is her choice to make, just as it was yours, just as it was mine. We can all agree we would like freedom to choose. She went on to say she thought flu shots were a good idea because who wants to get the flu? Having just done some research on the subject I had a little meltdown in my head about how to raise this information; what I should have said is: and that is your choice to make! Isn't it wonderful?? So my tip is focus on freedom to choose because that is a very hard one to deny unless the person has been completely brutalized by fear.
The vaxxed cultists are driven by fear, so appeal to her fear. Say, do you want to see healthy grandkids from your daughter? Then wait with vaccinating her.
In addition to the short term problems with 17,000 dead & 750,000 adverse events so far, the medium term problems are coming to light.
1) Anti-body dependent enhancement (ADE) when exposed to the wild virus.
2) Mad cow disease around the 18 month mark.
3) Alzheimer's around the 24 month mark
All have been seen in animals with ACE2 receptors (ferrets, humanized mice and macaque monkeys respectively). Will it happen to humans? We don't know. It is an experiment. We use those animals because they have the same ACE2 receptors that humans have and are the doorway into the cells.
But that is just animals. What about the humans? Bad news there as well.
Multiple doctors including one in BC, Dr Charles Hoffe, have been using the D-Dimer test on people the week after their injections and detecting alarming levels of "micro-clots" in 62% of the people tested. Right side heart failure is a real possibility for a lot of them within 2-3 years.
The spike proteins that your body produces after injection do not stay at the injection site. They go throughout your body and accumulate in your liver, spleen, kidneys, lungs and brain as it gets through the blood brain barrier easily. That was brought to light by another Canadian, Dr Bridle.
It's all too gruesome to think about! But I don't think I can handle blood on my hands either.... Kids in 6th grade are starting to get their vaxxes here now and I am in tears.
Same. I work with the littles...10 and under. They are now pushing the shots for this age group. I want to cry, especially when the little tells me I dont want the shot - out of the blue.
OMG that would kill me. These poor parents who have been so terrorized that they can't even think straight. It just permeates everything and sinks in to the subconscious of the littles. Who haven't yet unlearned to trust their gut, but are powerless. Why are we allowing them to decide to get the shot without parents approval, but not to refuse??
This is a useful insight. I have been reluctant to use it because I hate the fear tactics from the other side. It seems impossible to prick through the devotion to the "safe and effective" mantra. And then you've tried to scare them without any results. I will try to be more outspoken. Thanks for the great example/encouragement.
many of my extended family are liberal lemmings and did exactly as they are told. EXCEPT, my niece and her boyfriend and NH. I think their decision was based on their wish to "make some children" this year. So, in my mind, that is one very significant example of "anti-vaxxer"
However, when I discuss this calmly with my very leftist brother and sister in law, I am scolded for even imagining that my niece is an anti-vaxxer. ..... only republicans are anti vaxxers.
I find it amazing how liberals (and not only liberals, it is actually most people) are actively refusing to listen to anything that contradicts their beliefs.
at the beginning of all this when we were all scared I did what I try do as a career scientist. I read the primary literature. It was obvious to me that early indications of effective treatments of c19 were suppressed in much of the 'scientific' press and I established this appalling conclusion to be true. Beyond reasonable doubt.
By my understanding then, EVERY subsequent claim in the ridiculous narrative we have been cruelly fed is, logically, at best misleading and likely too a lie.
I will receive my GSK pension next year. I have defended 'big pharma' over the years as I have fond memories of working with the sharpest, most professional and committed during my brief industrial employment. Of late I have changed my opinion.
Screw this activist approach. You know any employees of patently guilty concerns. They and their families are now targets. We have nothing to lose this is a fight to the end and we all know it.
The most success I've had in discussion is with people who just assume I've been vaccinated because I'm a scientist and seem reasonably rational. (I don't fit their preconceived notion of a raging Trump-supporting hillbilly antivaxxer, I guess.)
I generally don't disabuse them of that idea, just let it exist as their assumption. I use expansive statements like, "we who support vaccination science" and "those of us who really hoped these vaccines would be effective" or something like that, in an effort to demonstrate that I am not their enemy. I try to stay calm and objectively discuss research findings. I try not to rely on too many anecdotes, but sometimes data is too abstract for people and you have to bring up the person you know who had a breakthrough and spread it around their office because they didn't run a fever. But in the end, I find that if I just try to make it about "us"as humans, I get a lot more buy in from the very invested vaccinated.
That being said, however, I did have a nice calm conversation with a vaccinated friend (maybe not a friend anymore?) who agreed with me that the vaccines were largely ineffective, admitted the vaccinated can and do become infected and spread covid, and stated that mandates were an overreach-but when I finally told her I had recovered from covid as an unvaccinated individual, she literally jumped out of my car at the stoplight to get away from me.
"...when I finally told her I had recovered from covid as an unvaccinated individual, she literally jumped out of my car at the stoplight to get away from me." Because...the "science." So many of these people are so terrified of covid and have received so much misinformation about it that it's sad and scary.
We were having such a nice reasonable conversation prior to my confession. I was driving her home after having had coffee, following the stupid CA rules of wearing a mask to walk in, but taking it off after sitting. She just screeched, "You aren't vaccinated?" "No, I suffered through three weeks of covid and so am nicely full of sterilizing antibodies." To no avail, she jumped out. Refused to get back in. We were only a few blocks from her house, so she opted to walk. I laugh, of course, at the sheer silliness of the whole thing, but at the heart of it, it is really shocking and sad.
It is hysterical when you picture it as a movie scene but shocking and sad when you realize it is the reality we find ourselves living in.
I have had this too! Okay they didn't jump out of car, but even tho I had it OVER A YEAR ago, the guy suddenly decided he needed to be 6ft away from me again while we talked. Mentally I was SMH but also howling w/laughter. This speaks to such a number that has been done on them, psychologically, that even tho this guy is gene-therapized, and not at all up on the ineffectiveness of the gene therapy and so theoretically confident, STILL it is like the un-gene-therapized and the naturally infected have been branded as untouchable. Such power, I have now...my own force field!
Haha, your own force field—love it! It deflects zombies and permits non-GMO humans to pass through.
This is sage advice, but the anecdote at the end had me in stitches. You’ll have to let us know when you find out if you’re still friends or not ;-)
So far, she has not responded to texts and has removed me from her instagram. I am heresy....but to her credit she did get some extra steps, fresh air and sun, so I'm sure that was good for her immune system. :-)
Wow. I am curious to see how this will turn out. Let’s hope she comes to her senses. If not, I suppose this is a way of winnowing out the fair-weather Covidians from your life …
It won’t matter if they’re friends or not, because she won’t come close enough to him to even have a conversation!
Remember the six foot ‘rule’?
Because even if you didn’t, she will!
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I’m so happy I found this thread and can totally relate to everything everyone has replied here! Thank you for sharing - you are my people!! I had a similar experience- back in June I was whitewater rafting with a friend who told me he considered me to be a murderer because I choose to not get the experimental “vaccine”! With a straight face and not a hint of sarcasm in his eyes. Ruined my whole day - I was floored. Instead of backing down however, I asked him, “you don’t really believe that, do you?” He replied, “yes I do!” He went on to accuse the unvaccinated of spreading it and therefore causing others to die. I was angry. I simply told him that as a God fearing Christian man his faith and trust was seriously misplaced in the hands of evil, dishonest politicians and big pharma! I was stunned. Thankfully, we were close to the take out and the trip was over. When I got a second alone with my husband (who had been paddling solo in his kayak) I told him what had happened and we were both kind of in shocked disbelief that our “friend” could have ever said such a thing. While loading our gear, I felt the courage to stand up for myself and challenge my friend about his accusation - I said, “you know that there are more vaccinated people getting breakthrough infections and spreading the virus, right?”. This was just after the breakthrough event in Massachusetts (I think it was there). I was trying to remain calm as I spoke but a woman nearby must have sensed my frustration with him and she actually jumped in to my defense by sharing more facts and recent data to support my argument! But like most brainwashed pro-vaxers who can’t handle truth, he shut down the conversation. It didn’t matter though, I got my point across. We are still friends today bc I forgive him for being stupid and I doubt he will ever bring it up again. I don’t want the shot and I will fight to the end to resist it. I appreciate the great suggestions posted here on how to make simple truthful comments to
I am proud of you that you stood up for yourself, for us, and for the truth.
A_mi, I’m so happy you found this thread, too, and thank you for sharing your shocking-not-shocking story! You were brave to speak up, and I hope your friend will eventually wake up to his brainwashing. Meanwhile, you’ve got plenty of support on Substack, and I welcome you to join the wonderful community over at my blog, too :-)
…..truthful comments to challenge the narrative in such a way that the pro-vaxers might actually ponder and consider without shutting down.
There is no fixing stupid.
I responded to a slightly asinine post on facebook about vaccines.I posted up a meta-analysis paper showing vaccinated and unvaccinated could pass on the virus as well as a CDC statement about masks being fairly useless...one of the "entranced" was telling the person whose page it was, to ignore me because "they" only accept published science and CDC statements...which is what I posted.Its not really possible to break the depth of the trance state of people like that..
How dumb and typical on their part.
In re: Anti-Covid-Vax garb: "I Am Trans-Vaccinated, But I Identify as Immunocompetent. My pronouns are letsgo/jared." Add unicorns, rainbows, stars and sparkles ofc. V v brave if you go this step!
Igor, first off, thank you for the shoutout :-) I am honored to be in the company you list.
The problem you describe is one I am acutely conscious of. As you probably know, many of the missives I write (e.g., Letter to a Covidian (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/letter-to-a-covidian-a-time-travel), Letter to a Colluder (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/letter-to-a-colluder-stop-enabling), and Letter to a Scientifically-Minded Friend (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/letter-to-a-scientifically-minded)) are aimed at people who have fallen under mass hypnosis. My entire mission is to unmask totalitarianism and awaken the sleeping before tyranny triumphs.
But how to reach those people as they are unlikely to wind up at my blog? To my delight, some people have started tweeting my letters at colluders, Covidians, and the scientifically-minded but deluded. I don’t do much on social media besides share my posts, but I have proposed hashtag campaigns such as #LetterToAColluder and #LetterToACovidian. I need social media maestros to help bring this to fruition, though.
Regardless, since my pieces often address Covidians directly and contain a massive amount of research/resources, people can easily wield them in exchanges with family, friends, and others they are trying to awaken. I can provide the tools, but it’s up to my readers to help deploy them.
I will also be launching a new series detailing my exchanges with Covidians on a private platform and the lessons I’ve gleaned from such attempts. Although it seems futile at times, I do believe I am reaching the silent swing thinkers who may be eavesdropping but not diving into the wreckage directly.
Would you like to write an article or what WORKS in talking to regular people who became zombified, wear three masks, proud of being vaccinated, and so on?
I think you will never reach those types. Estimated 30%. Talk with the 40% who have at least a smidgen of open-mindedness and ability to think critically. One huge challenge is that A LOT of people (including many highly educated) trust "authorities." They need to learn "trust but verify."
I agree, this is spot-on.
I think maybe that phrase needs to be amended to “verify before trusting” these days :-)
*lol* I’m still trying to figure that one out ;-) I will be writing about what I learned doesn’t work by observing the failures of others (e.g., ad hominem attacks) and the techniques I found enabled me to engage in respectful dialogue with the less rabid Covidians as well as the more aggressive tacks I took with the belligerent ones.
Try to talk to a few regular people and let us know your findings
I agree with what it says but I think the format is woeful. Off putting. It shouts too much. Makes me wince. I have to narrow my eyes to read the text between the headlines.
And too much text. The messages are simpler.
And how to de program? I think they need hitting with simple slogan type postulates for that's what they live on.
Stop the reasoning, the persuasion, the logic, the logic, the data, 'It does me 'ed in' as the UK kids say. They won't read it, won't absorb it, won't think about it.
I suggest broadcasting this as much as possible:
. The Virus is nothing like as bad as it is made out to be.
. Even if it were the Vaccines and such are no way to stop it.
That kind of thing. Those exact things.
And only two things at a time.
And wait for them to ASK or defy us to prove them and only then present the proofs. Bit by bit.
Those two things are in fact the essence of the whole thing.
Govts reckon there's a terrible scourge out there: there isn't.
Govts reckon they have a magic bullet: they don't.
In all the welter and the chaos the simple truth gets shouted down, lost sight of.
I think we should just quietly and obdurately and with as little confrontation and fuss as possible bring it back.
When confronted silently hand out graphic evidence supporting the truth: pie charts, bar charts, graphs, data lists.
For a while there I made QI codes from links to good data, youtube vids, etc and printed them out on sheets of A4 paper and pasted them up around town. No comment. It just said 'Covid' on the top of the sheet. I think I had about ten codes on each sheet. In tiny print on top of each code was some indication of what that link was about but generally they were all just anonymous QI codes.
Idea being, of course, that people indoctrinated, programmed, to point their smartphones at QI codes in shopping malls and wherever would point and click and find themselves looking at a truth telling video.
Haven't done it for some time now. I still think it was a good method and I do plan to return to it. The whole issue has segued away from the validity of the measures and the lies about covid into a full on thing about vaccinations now.
And bug your politicians. Oh yes, I am totally in favour of that. It is our social contract as citizens of democracies it is what we should be doing first and foremost. Give them facts we have and give them our opinions, it's all legitimate.
Yep. I think don't confront, silently hand out proofs, bug the pollies, Give simple in your face two liners which, however, are indisputably true and can be proven. And post up QI codes.
Some good ideas here, and you’re right about the one-liners and two-liners, the best way to start. Real science confuses the simple-minded, which are most people. They feel like they might be being bamboozled, and in many cases, they have been!
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I post tons on twit & so do others. It's really picking up.
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Great for educating the masses.
Do you really think so? I am noticing that there is tons of negative interaction in comment threads on MSM narrative posts, more than in the past. But I wonder if the covidians have just given up on that space? I keep posting for my own peace of mind, but it feels like no one is changing their mind yet....
Thanks, Igor. This is a good initiative. I sense many people are building groups of like minded friends to discuss these issues. I have three local groups in my area who hold meetings on a weekly basis. This is also a way to generate community and problem solve difficult questions like how to bring people out of the Covid cult thinking.
We have to start trying things and see what works.
Three local groups?! I'm jealous. How did you find each other?
This was a mixture of personal contacts and finding groups on Telegram. I also joined a new political party which strongly opposes the measures and they are active locally with one or two meetings per week.
Thanks!
Thank you for this post! I spend many hours nearly every day trying to understand what is happening and relaying the information to friends and family via email, posts on Fakebook, and posts on Twitter. It isn't enough. And I'm sad to report many of my family members and friends are vaxxed and some are Covidians. I'm not sure they are capable...will ever be capable...of admitting they made a mistake. I'm pretty certain two of my brothers aren't speaking to me, but I can't say I consider it a loss. I'm beginning to think they deserve what is coming...but I have two young adult children and nieces and nephews who do not.
I've posted the following clip of the CDC director admitting to Blitzer in early August that the jabs don't stop infection or transmission and that the fully vaxxed and unvaxxed have similar viral loads...probably a hundred times. It bounces off them. This morning, I posted it again on Fakebook because the Pennsylvania Dept of Health claimed...again...that the vaxxes stop infection and transmission. There's a lot of push back on the posts; and, I suspect, paid operators working for the evil empire.
BTW, thank you for acknowledging that there are spies reading your stack. I've confronted them on Unreported Truths and Bad Cattitude. Clearly, they are sent to dwell among us in our "safe spaces" to subtly undermine the message or our confidence. Some are obvious. Some are clever. We need to call them out in sub stack as well.
Yes, these stacks keep us from losing heart (never gonna get the effing shots) and giving up...but we must do more. The evil empire isn't going to give up easily.
Thank you. What is MOST important is reaching out to people you do not know, reaching far out or to people you see in person.
https://rumble.com/vku759-cdc-director-covid-vaccines-do-not-prevent-transmission-of-covid.html?fbclid=IwAR21_K8bGtavrb_ND9mELb9Ls85V5UKWckdlG5nyCSQ2-wpFTJmWuc-DccE
For believers, I like to point out the similarity to the worldwide vaccination campaign with the Fifth Trumpet: https://txti.es/fifthtrumpet ... that probably gives some Christians pause for thought.
For everybody else, I like to present a gentle drip-feed of truth, like the weekly stats from the UK Vaccine Surveillance Reports gradually showing how the vaccinated are spreading and ending up in hospital more and more. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-surveillance-reports
I'm also equally or more concerned about vaccine passports aka "freedom passes" since they are actually segregating people. I point out that, once you enter that system, to remain in it you have to accept whatever jab or booster you are told to take. Better to say No now... because it's going to be much harder by your 6th booster!
the vax passes are my hill to die on. people seem to get it, but then they just go ahead and flash them merrily and tell me we can order take out sometime. it's bonkers and very painful.
I prefer "hill to kill on" as that sounds more fun from my perspective. Besides dieing I can only do once but I can do a lot more than one killing. LOL.
I wholeheartedly agree with this updated version. Less fatalistic. For us.
Thank you, Igor, for this post. I like your ideas and suggestions. Personally, I am struggling just to find a way to share my concerns about vaccinating children with my siblings, who all have kids under the age of 12. I know they are very dug in on this issue and will not want to hear what I have to say. Yet, if I don't say anything, and something bad happens to any of my nieces and nephews, I will have to live with my decision to be silent.
I agree it is very important not to lie. And along those same lines, it's important to stay in the present and not try to predict the future. The truth is that none of us knows what's going to happen during the coming months. We have our fears. But that's all they are right now -- fears.
So, I would say, be truthful, stay in the present, stick to the facts, don't try to predict the future.
As for my relatives, I say, "I feel that have to tell you, but you do not have to listen to me" and then I say it.
Both of these are very good tips.
I find the best way to get people to think about "vax-ports" is to ask them:
"How many shots are you going to take?"
Then tell them the following:
"Canada has bought 135 million MORE shots for 38 million people. That's 3 MORE each plus extra for spoilage and waste"
Then follow up with:
"Israel just took away privileges from 1.5 million people for refusing the 3rd injection. They've announced the 4th is coming. Lithuania is the same but announcing the 4th & 5th shots"
And finally leave them with this thought:
"You can say "NO" at zero injections or you can say "NO" at 3, 4, 5 and the result is the same. When you REFUSE you lose all your PRIVILEGES because you have NO RIGHTS. You gave them away when you agreed to the vaccine passport"
Say "NO" now or just leave your sleeve rolled up and be a pin cushion for experimental gene therapy injections.
This is very smart! I will try this approach!@
p.s. here's a good link to pass around (and to make a QI code of)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3odjlEn8qXY
Thank you for this fabulous action plan and the suggestions in the comments! I can see what is happening very clearly and am independent enough to post like a madwoman about it all, but my biggest failing is in person conversations which I realize offer the biggest opportunity for real effects. So I would really like to get better at that! Can we post more scripts? Here's one I learned from a fellow freedom fighter and failed miserably to use in conversation. We have vax passes here which sucks big time and a fellow mom was complaining about them in regards to her 14 year old daughter (pass is 13+). I thought she was on the same page as me and so I was completely taken aback by her next statement which was that she wanted her daughter to get vaxxed ASAP but her daughter didn't want to do it and neither did the father. What I should have said was, that is her choice to make, just as it was yours, just as it was mine. We can all agree we would like freedom to choose. She went on to say she thought flu shots were a good idea because who wants to get the flu? Having just done some research on the subject I had a little meltdown in my head about how to raise this information; what I should have said is: and that is your choice to make! Isn't it wonderful?? So my tip is focus on freedom to choose because that is a very hard one to deny unless the person has been completely brutalized by fear.
The vaxxed cultists are driven by fear, so appeal to her fear. Say, do you want to see healthy grandkids from your daughter? Then wait with vaccinating her.
Appealling to their fear is a great tactic.
In addition to the short term problems with 17,000 dead & 750,000 adverse events so far, the medium term problems are coming to light.
1) Anti-body dependent enhancement (ADE) when exposed to the wild virus.
2) Mad cow disease around the 18 month mark.
3) Alzheimer's around the 24 month mark
All have been seen in animals with ACE2 receptors (ferrets, humanized mice and macaque monkeys respectively). Will it happen to humans? We don't know. It is an experiment. We use those animals because they have the same ACE2 receptors that humans have and are the doorway into the cells.
But that is just animals. What about the humans? Bad news there as well.
Multiple doctors including one in BC, Dr Charles Hoffe, have been using the D-Dimer test on people the week after their injections and detecting alarming levels of "micro-clots" in 62% of the people tested. Right side heart failure is a real possibility for a lot of them within 2-3 years.
The spike proteins that your body produces after injection do not stay at the injection site. They go throughout your body and accumulate in your liver, spleen, kidneys, lungs and brain as it gets through the blood brain barrier easily. That was brought to light by another Canadian, Dr Bridle.
It's all too gruesome to think about! But I don't think I can handle blood on my hands either.... Kids in 6th grade are starting to get their vaxxes here now and I am in tears.
Same. I work with the littles...10 and under. They are now pushing the shots for this age group. I want to cry, especially when the little tells me I dont want the shot - out of the blue.
OMG that would kill me. These poor parents who have been so terrorized that they can't even think straight. It just permeates everything and sinks in to the subconscious of the littles. Who haven't yet unlearned to trust their gut, but are powerless. Why are we allowing them to decide to get the shot without parents approval, but not to refuse??
This is a useful insight. I have been reluctant to use it because I hate the fear tactics from the other side. It seems impossible to prick through the devotion to the "safe and effective" mantra. And then you've tried to scare them without any results. I will try to be more outspoken. Thanks for the great example/encouragement.
Unlike fear tactics of the "other side", yours is founded on truth and valid concerns.
many of my extended family are liberal lemmings and did exactly as they are told. EXCEPT, my niece and her boyfriend and NH. I think their decision was based on their wish to "make some children" this year. So, in my mind, that is one very significant example of "anti-vaxxer"
However, when I discuss this calmly with my very leftist brother and sister in law, I am scolded for even imagining that my niece is an anti-vaxxer. ..... only republicans are anti vaxxers.
The stupidity and arrogance is astounding
I find it amazing how liberals (and not only liberals, it is actually most people) are actively refusing to listen to anything that contradicts their beliefs.
Thanks, useful ideas.
at the beginning of all this when we were all scared I did what I try do as a career scientist. I read the primary literature. It was obvious to me that early indications of effective treatments of c19 were suppressed in much of the 'scientific' press and I established this appalling conclusion to be true. Beyond reasonable doubt.
By my understanding then, EVERY subsequent claim in the ridiculous narrative we have been cruelly fed is, logically, at best misleading and likely too a lie.
I will receive my GSK pension next year. I have defended 'big pharma' over the years as I have fond memories of working with the sharpest, most professional and committed during my brief industrial employment. Of late I have changed my opinion.
Screw this activist approach. You know any employees of patently guilty concerns. They and their families are now targets. We have nothing to lose this is a fight to the end and we all know it.
Also this site: https://www.reachingpeople.co.uk/