Yeah I believe that humanity is doomed! There's a lot of truth in this article! When I was little and growing up I remembered my mother always bad mouthing and putting down "the younger generations" or "this younger generation" this and that! 🙄 I got soo sick of hearing that! I was like well "maybe if you old ass MF'ERS stop putting us younger folks down then we might be interested in what you have to say!" "So with y'all continuously putting us down and complaining about "our ways" then why in TF should we (younger generations/this younger generation)be the least bit interested in what your old ass has to say?"🤷♀️So if older generations of people would start looking for the positive things in younger people instead of always "expecting" something "negative" or "negative behaviors" from younger people then would be a nice start! It's the job of the previous older generations to pass down their knowledge, traditions and ways to the younger generations of people! I've experienced this feeling myself with my own mother trying to tell me things! I was like "ok you just got off the phone talking trash about me to your sister or whoever about "this younger generation doing this or that or not doing what we(the older generations)were made to do!" "So why in TF should I be interested in anything that you've got to say after you've bad mouthed me and talked sh*t about me to whoever you were talking too on the phone!" "So I'm not interested in what you have to say, sorry!" So to me that's a completely normal way to feel after overhearing somebody talking trash about a person to another person! So to me it's like "I just overheard you trashing me and speaking disrespectfully about me to somebody so why in TF should I show you any respect right now or be interested in what you have to say, because I'm not!" Just saying! That kind of behavior from the "older generations" really does make a difference because you are gonna get back in return whatever you send out! So if older generations of people are speaking negatively all the time about the younger generations of people then what can these older generations of people expect back in return!
Great Age of Mary coming. Many great things, after chastisement we're all in. People on "our side" - some believe in baby murder. C'mon. They can't see this is divine punishment? 63 million butchered babies, US alone. Legally.
Hmm... so you became a man in about 1978 -- you missed stagflation, caught the roaring 80s and were probably settled into a nice life by 1995... Yeah, that seems pretty perfect!
The quotes are actually of some comfort, @ least to me: just when I (boomer) think the generations following mine are lazy, worthless, entitled & stupid (as the generations before me undoubtedly thought of my own generation - with some validity!), I realize there truly is nothing new under the sun & civilization has survived, despite us
Igor, I’ve had so much despair the past 4 years but it really does sometimes feel like the pendulum is swinging in a good way (not that there won’t be lots of pain before the correction). And of course I realize the pendulum always does swing to a bad direction as well that we’ve been living through
Civilizing the next generation is an ongoing struggle. What's new in this time is the stream of discivilizational voices in the ears of the young through phones/music/media/social media/school. This has been growing for a couple of generations now, from a whisper to a constant roar in just the past 10 years. It remains to be seen whether the consequences to overall western civilization will be permanently fatal.
The problem today is, the technocrats can use modern technology to exploit weaknesses in younger generations in ways never possible in the past. We really are in trouble at this point in history due to that fact.
it doesn't seem so different. more than 90% of people over 50 believe a whole lot of things that aren't true for which their only source of information is government sources. They know the gov't lies to them almost exclusively and yet they continue to believe these things. They believe in "pathogenic virus" with the "proof" being 2 nobel prizes given for experiments 80 years ago which didn't have a proper control and would have failed tenth grade biology class. They believe in vaccines. A good example is "polio" which they say they've "eradicated". What really happened is they stopped spraying DDT everywhere, so kids don't get overdosed on it and therefore don't get "polio". They believe the atom bomb works even though nobody can see the difference between hiroshima and tokyo or dresden. They DONT believe that the WTC demolition was done with unknown to us technology even though it's clear if one applies logic as did Judy Wood. So all you're telling me is that they're using new bells and whistles on their older base techniques of suckering everybody. As Richard Pryor said, "who you gonna believe? Me? oh yo lyin' eyes?"
I agree that people have been lied to and mislead for a very long time, about a lot of things. However, I still think it is different.
Before, the powers-that-be could tell the public whatever propaganda they wanted for about an hour a day during the news or when people read the newspaper. Now, with social media and other internet websites, they can shape the minds of youth and steer them in whatever direction they want both from a very early age and in nearly all aspects of life. And this brainwashing can happen for several hours a day and from a very, very young age. Look at the gender confusion that's sweeping the nation/world as an example.
That's what I'm seeing anyway. Modern technology is allowing massive social engineering, total surveillance, and essentially digital gulags, and the youth are trapped in it before they even become teenagers. They have never experienced life outside of it, so they don't even know.
I realize that I don't know what their motives are for various things that they're doing. I see that the general idea is drop the number of humans down to just whatever they need in the way of slaves, and they don't want them to be bright at all. I don't think they'd need the gender confusion to reduce the numbers. They've vaccinated cancer into the population and more recently they've vaccinated their cancer accelerator in there. Maybe it's harder to kill us all than I imagine. Maybe this feeds their perversions, that this is a thing that appeals to them. But maybe they're just doing it to have us fail to notice that some of the recent pollution is going to make us all androgynous and they're manipulating the minds so they don't get blamed for this. Reminiscent of inventing the concept of a polio virus to cover their tracks for having putting DDT everywhere, which was the real cause of polio. It's alleged "eradication" is because they stopped spraying DDT. I don't know what the story is with their indian vaccines giving kids polio, maybe there's DDT in the vaccines and that's just their way of keeping us scared about polio even as they tell us it's eradicated. The total surveillance tells me that they're quite afraid that somebody will be trying to take their power away from them. On the one hand I"m glad they're scared, on the other hand their fear probably makes them more dangerous. But we were already globablly extremely brainwashed long before the electronics were around. I see people who grew up before the electronics came around and they are mostly incapable of determining the difference between logic and the logical fallacy of the appeal to authority. They believe what the authorities have told them years ago which are lies. If you try to show them that some of these things might not be correct, they will tell you that you're an idiot because you believe anything that any doofus on the internet tells you if it's something you want to believe. But they will never debate anything, never apply any logic. They are brainwashed and it's impossible to help them to see it.. Perhaps by "dosing" them one might be able to help them see something before they die more ignorant than they were born. Logic is not an option. I guess you may have a point that the new generation will be worse, But for me, I see that they've gone through 60 or 70 years of life and gotten everything wrong, they believe contradictory things and can't see that it's the case. It's hard to see how it can be worse than that.
I see what you are saying, and I agree that older people have been very brainwashed and are under the control of those who are running this show.
The gender confusion was just one example of how the people in charge are shaping our children. There are many other examples. Increasing tribalism sentiment is another example.
The technology/surveillance, in my opinion, is not something they are implementing because they are scared. I believe it's being used to learn to predict and to directly change the behavior of the children (and adults) through AI algorithms. They can use it to make content addictive and they can also use it to shape feelings and emotions about certain issues. It's a win for tech companies and oligarchs simultaneously. The use of this power is why so many people just willingly submitted to lockdown, endless testing, masking, and experimental injections. Yes, adults are susceptible, as they always have been, but children are absolutely not able to protect themselves from this during their most important developmental stages and it's overwhelming them. The technocrats have never had this kind of power in the past because they just didn't have the reach of everyone's attention like they do now.
Have you seen the Netflix special called The Social Dilemma? If not, I would highly recommend watching it. I'm sure there are other documentary style shows about it that could be even better. It shows some of the industry whistleblowers who are speaking out about how people in general, and especially children, are being taken advantage of by tech industry giants. It's a pretty big deal for the future. And I don't know what the answer is.
We have tried to work together with my adult children to severely limit the children's (my grandchildren's) time on electronics to about an hour a day. but most people are not able to stick to that, especially as children grow older and have more access to electronics, much of which their parent's/grandparents/caregivers don't even know about. So, I don't imagine this is going to change much but it's the best that we can do for now.
Hopefully other people are trying to find answers and work towards solutions to this and other related issues. CBDCs and other social credit score systems are the end goal to which adults and children are being slowly nudged towards but due to the current success of modern technology, people are not fighting them as they would if they knew what it will eventually lead to.
I think you're right that they're not scared. They've got the control. We all need to get on one of these: https://itsfoss.com/mainstream-social-media-alternaives/ the lack of a t is not a typo. Stop giving them all of our info. Do you think that they have the ability to break PGP?
I think we'd do well to take the kids out of school. They'd have a better experience homeschooling and a great activity would be to go to the dump and bring back things that look like they could be fixed. Try to fix them, and at the very least end up seeing how they work. If we can teach the next generation how to make things again, that'd be a great gift to them. We've seen that the last 40 years of "hi-tech" hasn't done much for us. I don't want a car newer than my 27 year old car which has no electronics.
MacDuff -- a fellow atomic-bomb-denier! There's a professor who is (was?) at the University of Waterloo who just *demolished* the idea of atomic bombs dropped on Japan.
Unfortunately, his ideas, as with the ideas that lead one to easily conclude that there are no viruses, require a sustained 20 minutes of thinking, which isn't a natural thing for most people. It's not that 'people are stupid', it's just that... people usually don't think that way.
One question -- do you believe that we *still* don't have atomic/nuclear bombs? I'm about 90% certain that we don't, but my thinking is oblique on this issue.
If that quote from Horace was written about 20 BC, it would have been near the end of about 20 years of civil war following Julius Caesar's assassination. Certainly a good time to be pessimistic, yes?
I had heard that quote before but didn't know the time period, other than it was sometime in ancient Rome. The Roman republic is said to have been reaching the end of its life due to corruption. (I can relate to that!) And Romans supposedly were slowly going crazy due to lead poisoning due to lead water pipes, dishes and makeup, although that's disputed.
Hell yes we're doomed! We've been doomed since before Aristotle was bitchin' about it. But Doom kinda enjoys its very long-lived fame and notoriety, so he's not flipped the switch just yet.
In all seriousness Igor, check this hypothesis out. I think you'll really enjoy it.
Looking down on the whole history of humanity, and its ever-increasing Dark Tetrad (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/dark-tetrad) dementia, surely there is some fundamental reason why this is happening, repeating over and over again?
I find that this hypothesis pulls myriad pieces of the puzzle together from many diverse disciplines, and has a very strong ring of truth to it:
Many of those born today won't have a chance to speak to their grandparents, much less their great-grandparents. Heck, in urban areas there's a growing demographic of children who don't even know who their father is.
Maybe the biggest failing of the coming Young Generations is that their only knowledge of the past, beyond a few decades perhaps, will come from Wikipedia and state approved history lessons.
Youth is wasted on the young is another quote I've heard before. The Buddha had many good ones such as: 1) Intoxicated with youth, health and life. 2) The mountain of old age and death closes in on all sides incrementally...
Yeah I believe that humanity is doomed! There's a lot of truth in this article! When I was little and growing up I remembered my mother always bad mouthing and putting down "the younger generations" or "this younger generation" this and that! 🙄 I got soo sick of hearing that! I was like well "maybe if you old ass MF'ERS stop putting us younger folks down then we might be interested in what you have to say!" "So with y'all continuously putting us down and complaining about "our ways" then why in TF should we (younger generations/this younger generation)be the least bit interested in what your old ass has to say?"🤷♀️So if older generations of people would start looking for the positive things in younger people instead of always "expecting" something "negative" or "negative behaviors" from younger people then would be a nice start! It's the job of the previous older generations to pass down their knowledge, traditions and ways to the younger generations of people! I've experienced this feeling myself with my own mother trying to tell me things! I was like "ok you just got off the phone talking trash about me to your sister or whoever about "this younger generation doing this or that or not doing what we(the older generations)were made to do!" "So why in TF should I be interested in anything that you've got to say after you've bad mouthed me and talked sh*t about me to whoever you were talking too on the phone!" "So I'm not interested in what you have to say, sorry!" So to me that's a completely normal way to feel after overhearing somebody talking trash about a person to another person! So to me it's like "I just overheard you trashing me and speaking disrespectfully about me to somebody so why in TF should I show you any respect right now or be interested in what you have to say, because I'm not!" Just saying! That kind of behavior from the "older generations" really does make a difference because you are gonna get back in return whatever you send out! So if older generations of people are speaking negatively all the time about the younger generations of people then what can these older generations of people expect back in return!
Great Age of Mary coming. Many great things, after chastisement we're all in. People on "our side" - some believe in baby murder. C'mon. They can't see this is divine punishment? 63 million butchered babies, US alone. Legally.
God won't be mocked
Exactly! No God will not be mocked! You're talking about abortion! What has abortion got to do with my previous comment above?
My comment deals with the entire Covid depopulation plan.
Ha, but you can take a horse to water.....
Brats today have a problem and entitlement problem. That is how the mouldable minds are captured by Marxists.
Yes, sure the education system has been used, but it has been enabled by politicians not parents.
Its done behind the backs of parents. The 45 communist goals remember?
History goes through cycles -- smaller ones of 80 years or so, and longer ones of 240 years or so. The bottom of each cycle has been nasty each time.
"Kids these days!!!"
(Said with shaken fist in Grandpa Simpson Voice.)
Brilliant. I have observed the same thing, but I never went to the effort to validate it across a millennia.
Great post Igor, thanks.
Hope you had a nice holiday.
There was one exception, those born 1955-1965. Just a freaking awesome generation, every age if their lives
Ok, I was born 1960. That had absolutely nothing to do with my analysis
Hmm... so you became a man in about 1978 -- you missed stagflation, caught the roaring 80s and were probably settled into a nice life by 1995... Yeah, that seems pretty perfect!
And I'm A Catholic that has never had a Pope. Born 1960, last pope 1958. My priest flies in from Ohio, to TX once a mo.
It was a joke
It's called 'evolution' - every 'innovation' brings change and change is the only constant.
The quotes are actually of some comfort, @ least to me: just when I (boomer) think the generations following mine are lazy, worthless, entitled & stupid (as the generations before me undoubtedly thought of my own generation - with some validity!), I realize there truly is nothing new under the sun & civilization has survived, despite us
I have the same feeling
Igor, I’ve had so much despair the past 4 years but it really does sometimes feel like the pendulum is swinging in a good way (not that there won’t be lots of pain before the correction). And of course I realize the pendulum always does swing to a bad direction as well that we’ve been living through
Read Juvenal. You can replace his biting satire about Rome with any modern city.
Civilizing the next generation is an ongoing struggle. What's new in this time is the stream of discivilizational voices in the ears of the young through phones/music/media/social media/school. This has been growing for a couple of generations now, from a whisper to a constant roar in just the past 10 years. It remains to be seen whether the consequences to overall western civilization will be permanently fatal.
Be careful who you let tell your stories, this fact was learned long ago around the fire, shame so many forgot.
The problem today is, the technocrats can use modern technology to exploit weaknesses in younger generations in ways never possible in the past. We really are in trouble at this point in history due to that fact.
it doesn't seem so different. more than 90% of people over 50 believe a whole lot of things that aren't true for which their only source of information is government sources. They know the gov't lies to them almost exclusively and yet they continue to believe these things. They believe in "pathogenic virus" with the "proof" being 2 nobel prizes given for experiments 80 years ago which didn't have a proper control and would have failed tenth grade biology class. They believe in vaccines. A good example is "polio" which they say they've "eradicated". What really happened is they stopped spraying DDT everywhere, so kids don't get overdosed on it and therefore don't get "polio". They believe the atom bomb works even though nobody can see the difference between hiroshima and tokyo or dresden. They DONT believe that the WTC demolition was done with unknown to us technology even though it's clear if one applies logic as did Judy Wood. So all you're telling me is that they're using new bells and whistles on their older base techniques of suckering everybody. As Richard Pryor said, "who you gonna believe? Me? oh yo lyin' eyes?"
I agree that people have been lied to and mislead for a very long time, about a lot of things. However, I still think it is different.
Before, the powers-that-be could tell the public whatever propaganda they wanted for about an hour a day during the news or when people read the newspaper. Now, with social media and other internet websites, they can shape the minds of youth and steer them in whatever direction they want both from a very early age and in nearly all aspects of life. And this brainwashing can happen for several hours a day and from a very, very young age. Look at the gender confusion that's sweeping the nation/world as an example.
That's what I'm seeing anyway. Modern technology is allowing massive social engineering, total surveillance, and essentially digital gulags, and the youth are trapped in it before they even become teenagers. They have never experienced life outside of it, so they don't even know.
I realize that I don't know what their motives are for various things that they're doing. I see that the general idea is drop the number of humans down to just whatever they need in the way of slaves, and they don't want them to be bright at all. I don't think they'd need the gender confusion to reduce the numbers. They've vaccinated cancer into the population and more recently they've vaccinated their cancer accelerator in there. Maybe it's harder to kill us all than I imagine. Maybe this feeds their perversions, that this is a thing that appeals to them. But maybe they're just doing it to have us fail to notice that some of the recent pollution is going to make us all androgynous and they're manipulating the minds so they don't get blamed for this. Reminiscent of inventing the concept of a polio virus to cover their tracks for having putting DDT everywhere, which was the real cause of polio. It's alleged "eradication" is because they stopped spraying DDT. I don't know what the story is with their indian vaccines giving kids polio, maybe there's DDT in the vaccines and that's just their way of keeping us scared about polio even as they tell us it's eradicated. The total surveillance tells me that they're quite afraid that somebody will be trying to take their power away from them. On the one hand I"m glad they're scared, on the other hand their fear probably makes them more dangerous. But we were already globablly extremely brainwashed long before the electronics were around. I see people who grew up before the electronics came around and they are mostly incapable of determining the difference between logic and the logical fallacy of the appeal to authority. They believe what the authorities have told them years ago which are lies. If you try to show them that some of these things might not be correct, they will tell you that you're an idiot because you believe anything that any doofus on the internet tells you if it's something you want to believe. But they will never debate anything, never apply any logic. They are brainwashed and it's impossible to help them to see it.. Perhaps by "dosing" them one might be able to help them see something before they die more ignorant than they were born. Logic is not an option. I guess you may have a point that the new generation will be worse, But for me, I see that they've gone through 60 or 70 years of life and gotten everything wrong, they believe contradictory things and can't see that it's the case. It's hard to see how it can be worse than that.
I see what you are saying, and I agree that older people have been very brainwashed and are under the control of those who are running this show.
The gender confusion was just one example of how the people in charge are shaping our children. There are many other examples. Increasing tribalism sentiment is another example.
The technology/surveillance, in my opinion, is not something they are implementing because they are scared. I believe it's being used to learn to predict and to directly change the behavior of the children (and adults) through AI algorithms. They can use it to make content addictive and they can also use it to shape feelings and emotions about certain issues. It's a win for tech companies and oligarchs simultaneously. The use of this power is why so many people just willingly submitted to lockdown, endless testing, masking, and experimental injections. Yes, adults are susceptible, as they always have been, but children are absolutely not able to protect themselves from this during their most important developmental stages and it's overwhelming them. The technocrats have never had this kind of power in the past because they just didn't have the reach of everyone's attention like they do now.
Have you seen the Netflix special called The Social Dilemma? If not, I would highly recommend watching it. I'm sure there are other documentary style shows about it that could be even better. It shows some of the industry whistleblowers who are speaking out about how people in general, and especially children, are being taken advantage of by tech industry giants. It's a pretty big deal for the future. And I don't know what the answer is.
We have tried to work together with my adult children to severely limit the children's (my grandchildren's) time on electronics to about an hour a day. but most people are not able to stick to that, especially as children grow older and have more access to electronics, much of which their parent's/grandparents/caregivers don't even know about. So, I don't imagine this is going to change much but it's the best that we can do for now.
Hopefully other people are trying to find answers and work towards solutions to this and other related issues. CBDCs and other social credit score systems are the end goal to which adults and children are being slowly nudged towards but due to the current success of modern technology, people are not fighting them as they would if they knew what it will eventually lead to.
I think you're right that they're not scared. They've got the control. We all need to get on one of these: https://itsfoss.com/mainstream-social-media-alternaives/ the lack of a t is not a typo. Stop giving them all of our info. Do you think that they have the ability to break PGP?
I think we'd do well to take the kids out of school. They'd have a better experience homeschooling and a great activity would be to go to the dump and bring back things that look like they could be fixed. Try to fix them, and at the very least end up seeing how they work. If we can teach the next generation how to make things again, that'd be a great gift to them. We've seen that the last 40 years of "hi-tech" hasn't done much for us. I don't want a car newer than my 27 year old car which has no electronics.
MacDuff -- a fellow atomic-bomb-denier! There's a professor who is (was?) at the University of Waterloo who just *demolished* the idea of atomic bombs dropped on Japan.
Unfortunately, his ideas, as with the ideas that lead one to easily conclude that there are no viruses, require a sustained 20 minutes of thinking, which isn't a natural thing for most people. It's not that 'people are stupid', it's just that... people usually don't think that way.
One question -- do you believe that we *still* don't have atomic/nuclear bombs? I'm about 90% certain that we don't, but my thinking is oblique on this issue.
ShiYen
If that quote from Horace was written about 20 BC, it would have been near the end of about 20 years of civil war following Julius Caesar's assassination. Certainly a good time to be pessimistic, yes?
I had heard that quote before but didn't know the time period, other than it was sometime in ancient Rome. The Roman republic is said to have been reaching the end of its life due to corruption. (I can relate to that!) And Romans supposedly were slowly going crazy due to lead poisoning due to lead water pipes, dishes and makeup, although that's disputed.
Hell yes we're doomed! We've been doomed since before Aristotle was bitchin' about it. But Doom kinda enjoys its very long-lived fame and notoriety, so he's not flipped the switch just yet.
In all seriousness Igor, check this hypothesis out. I think you'll really enjoy it.
Looking down on the whole history of humanity, and its ever-increasing Dark Tetrad (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/dark-tetrad) dementia, surely there is some fundamental reason why this is happening, repeating over and over again?
I find that this hypothesis pulls myriad pieces of the puzzle together from many diverse disciplines, and has a very strong ring of truth to it:
https://childrenoftheforest.info/
and
https://www.patreon.com/Children_of_the_Forest/about
and/or this video:
https://youtu.be/jXwwsJUMoQg?t=183
Here is the book:
https://www.unwelcomeguests.net/archive/652/Left%20in%20the%20Dark.pdf
Generations you say?
Many of those born today won't have a chance to speak to their grandparents, much less their great-grandparents. Heck, in urban areas there's a growing demographic of children who don't even know who their father is.
Maybe the biggest failing of the coming Young Generations is that their only knowledge of the past, beyond a few decades perhaps, will come from Wikipedia and state approved history lessons.
My great grandchildren will never know the hardship of struggling through ten feet of shag carpet to change the TV channel.
Was it uphill both ways?
That's the way I remember it. I 😁
Youth is wasted on the young is another quote I've heard before. The Buddha had many good ones such as: 1) Intoxicated with youth, health and life. 2) The mountain of old age and death closes in on all sides incrementally...