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Seriously, what would YOU say *if* I made this my policy? It is the same thing as what Elon did.
MAJOR EDIT: many people expressed well reasoned disagreement. As I believe that they deserve to have a voice, I added "The Opposing View" section to my article, that enumerates their points. I also changed the title of this post to DEBATE -- so we all understand that ALL OPINIONS ARE WELCOME.
PS as of an hour ago, Elon Musk is running a poll whether he should step down as Twitter CEO. So far YES is winning. Added to my article.
Dec 18, 2022·edited Dec 18, 2022Liked by Igor Chudov
Igor are you getting attacked like Elon? Have you spent 44 bill on a substack? Do you own substack? You compare apples with oranges. If you spent 44 bill u would do the same if it is crucial to survival of the company you purchased. Elon lost already advertisers should he bleed subscribers to the lefty competition like Facebook etc. Really? You know they doing EVERYTHING TO DESTROY HIM!
I respect your opinion. But I disagree. I do not own the entire substack. But I do own my substack. People mention other substacks or their websites in comments. I always allow that. Not allowing it would decrease the value that people get from it.
Dec 18, 2022·edited Dec 18, 2022Liked by Igor Chudov
Well as I said you didn't put 44 bill into your substack account. Elon is very obviously fighting a cooperate war. Yes with the free speech absolutism he kinda made a very big claim now he sees its not so easy. But if my subscribers would use me to leave to a nasty competitor I would shut it down too so. They can still go to Facebook but you have to use other means than advertise directly on Twitter. Maybe in general this is not necessary or should be done but elonscsituayion is unique. He is being ganged upon as seen in the doxxing. And its typical of the left to use our idealistic belief to use against us which usually always works but not with Elon. He knows when the view is a stone around his neck. Conservatives have a fault. They sink with that stone every single time.
Whoopi Goldberg is a stone around the neck of THE VIEW. It will be interesting to see if she is put on horse tranquilizers to keep the lawsuits down. This has nothing to do with the current discussion, but it was fun for me to type this.
Can't say I agree with much I've seen her saying as of late. But she looks terrible. I wish someone near her would step in with some hard truths. Don't have to agree with her to hope she doesn't die soon.
As an Adult Protective Services' worker, I once had a client who weighed over 800#. With a group of nurses, I attempted an intervention to get her into a bariatric treatment center. We were unsuccessful & six months later, when she topped out at 900#, she had a heart attack and died. Whoopi has at least another 200# to go.
And yet, I have done exactly that. I bought an item at Fanatics that was garbage, but it was also sold on Amazon and I was allowed to post a message about the product on Amazon.
Yes, it’s like if U-Haul flooded California with trucks—way more would leave! But there’s always shortage of trucks, so you have to be super- motivated and flexible.
You have mentioned others as well. I admire that except I have become their reader as well as yours. There is so much infornation out there. Thank you as always
Do you own a 44 billion business? Do you have the exit data how many subscribers he is bleeding daily. I think Elon collected this data and analyzed it to prevent loosing subscribers.
They said twitter is bleeding money and was a failing business money wise before he purchased it. Probably just got bribe money but that's it. I think he wants to convert it into a money generating business without government bribes. Regarding the subscribers issue with unable to directly link. You can say look me up on other platforms search me you find me. Is a direct link necessary really? Anyways I dont think its an error but time will tell.
Why did Elon pay 44bill for a company worth 5? Musk is NWO start to finish. “Twitter” will “X” where social biological and physical identities will be stored. Your ESG score will be there when you log on to see how many carbon credits are available that day. He’s not your friend.
I added "The Opposing View" section to my article, that enumerates several disagreeing readers' positions -- as I believe that these opinions deserve to be seen and considered. Also added DEBATE: to the title
The world has been fighting the suppression of free speech and selective reporting of the truth since the invention of the printing press. The problem now, is leftist Democrats with help from the tech giants have converted half of the population into apathetic drones. If they're told to stand on one leg and cluck like a chicken, or inject an unproven substance into their body, they will gladly comply. I realize censorship of opposing views is still censorship but content on facebook, instagram and google is pure indoctrination and the general population isn't getting any smarter. Sooner or later the good guy's and gal's will have to stop bringing a knife to a gun fight.
Thanks Igor-I get the feeling that you deeply believe in democracy, freedom of speech, the bill of rights, and the American way. Many of the great believers in American democracy have had years of experience overseas. I got that way after spending over a decade living ( happily) in East Asia.
Hello Zade, l would argue differently. Twitter must distance itself from other Social Media Platforms in order to fulfil its “agreement” to promote Free Speech, one example. Many people, including myself, have returned to Twitter and am visibly seeing more open discussion .. l do not believe that Twitter needs to “embrace the Agenda and the darkness of fact checkers” to survive - l think quite the opposite - time will tell ..
You are not making sense. Twitter has stated support for free speech. That means Twitter must offer free speech. If other platforms don't like it they can distance themselves.
Twitter does not walk the talk. Many cases where it is taking away freedoms.
Sure he has pressure or evil motives, but lying about things is not a good look.
That's silly, Yal. He obviously didn't buy this, uh, "troubled" asset to make money with it. And it's mostly not his money, either. (Even "his" money isn't really his, but I digress.) Elon's just a front man. You don't have to look very hard into his history to understand that.
So, it's quite possible that he's just doing a controlled demolition here, on behalf of his faction.
Yal NA I respect your opinion and passion behind your beliefs. It is always good to check facts before letting yourself becoming overwhelmed with emotions, beliefs and perceptions rather than facts. Facts are Fact. Your statements are not based on FACTs. Time to refresh your knowledge and the basics of critical thinking.
It might be helpful having a conversation with your Psychologist or Emotional Intelligence/Personal Growth Coach. Some levels of competencies can only be achieved with the professional guidance. It is almost always a must when a person has a deeply rooted "blind spot" preventing them for having insights into their own deeper self, self sabotage mechanisms, and overall emotional intelligence. Understanding Facts vs fiction, judgment vs belief, perception vs facts, 'feeling' vs "thinking" etc is the starting point for accessing capacity to think. Check out Marshall Rosenberg Nonviolent Communication. It is a great starting point. My suggestions come from a place of care and respect for you. Do what you wish with them. This is the end of my communication with you. All the best.
Nothing i said merits this kinda response of you, it seems overkill and possibly a generic bot response. Dont pretend to care about me you don't know me and recommendations of a doctor/psychiatrists are just insults. How about instead of this you would have answered my questions in detail. But you seem like an anti Elon bot. This rather generic comment is probably used all over on substack to intimidate people with an anti-narrative view. Proofs Elon is indeed attacked. And Igor is handing the left a win by complaining.
It’s amazing how you respond to Yal NA accusing of emotion vs fact, and then provide not a single fact yourself. In fact, you then engage in a personal attack, proving you had no facts, just the ability to try and “sound” intelligent citing personal coaches and perhaps copying a page off a website about debate, forgetting to apply it yourself.
Dec 18, 2022·edited Dec 18, 2022Liked by Igor Chudov
Very much the SAME THING.
Too much wacky tabacky or maybe he really thinks he has replaced God in your dystopian post-Covid Idiocracy once lauded as a "democratic model" that all the world should aspire to becoming?
Coming To America was much more than a Neil Diamond hit.
Dunno really.
The majority of the world put up with the batshot crazy Little Elf et al, Dementedly Slow Joe, Bill Gates Of Hell and ALL THEIR CRAPPOLA for nearly 3 years, after all.
What's a little more Supreme Ruler of Twitter Complex?
Ok, I’m going to go out on a limb and say- the idea that Musk is supposedly proposing is that all of those linked accounts to other social servers should be able to have an account on Twitter. But the reality is, that obviously isn’t the case. The Gato Malo example being a good one (Andrew Bostom, Emma Woodhouse, etc.)
BTW mentioning a name is not the same thing as a complete link. One of the differences is when you click on a link it opens up a page right away. A name is not underscored automatically and has no programmming function. Tell me where Elon forbids mentioning names.
If you announced the above, I would ask for specific reasons as to why. Regular people don’t have access to Musk. Still, I don’t think it’s a good business move to do that.
Metaphor by Igor, not specific example as the censorship did not mention Substack links, only Facebook and some social media. Trump's for example. Tweeting about political censorship while doing political censorship....
Pretty sure he tweeted a month ago that he was going to find a CEO to run Twitter. Of course, he would do that. He was never going to be the long-term CEO of Twitter. But, as it's owner, he's still going to have the final say in what the CEO does.
He may know that the government is truly manipulating the other social media outlets and does not want it on Twitter. Once you post a link that link can be changed to anything. I would not doubt the government would change the links especially after the evidence of government censorship is mounting....
No not if you cannot control it. The original link can be totally altered to be something different from the original person links purpose. For instance, the original link can say there are many side effects pf the jab but it can be altered to say the jab is the best thing ever and the original linker would never know. This is dangerous. Elon does not want innocent posts later turned into weapons. The original purpose of www has been hijacked by the governments, etc. It is not the same place as in 2000.
Interesting. I had no idea a link placed out there could be changed. Scary idea. Maybe Musk is trying to protect things. I still don’t trust him but.....
The original link can be edited to something you may not like. Your post is still pointing to that link. You do not own the link and it is open to change by the owner or censor. It is not permanent like a paper document. Most people are not aware to that.
But isn't this true with every link we ever create to any site anywhere on the Internet?
And, hasn't it always been this way?
There's never any guarantee the content on a shared link will be the same tomorrow. In fact, there's never any guarantee the link will even be working tomorrow.
Government is trying to built another Twitter which is under their controll or they found another company to do that. Surely they will try to move everybody to the other platform.
If government social media is run as well as the DMV in my state, it will be very popular! They will have to change the term tweet to something catchy like groan.
Dec 18, 2022·edited Dec 18, 2022Liked by Igor Chudov
This appears to be a knee-jerk reaction about control and money. He probably saw a lot of the leftists leaving for mastodon and didn’t want to promote those accounts.
Could there also be a back door way for 3 letter agencies to follow the accounts back into Twitter, after he just tried to cut the proverbial gordian knot with the spy agencies? I mean if the agencies are present in Facebook (which they are) can they then follow back into Twitter by linked articles and spy on Twitter that way? It’s sometimes hard to discern all of the issues right away.
For sake of clarification, I’m completely neutral on Elon. He’s a businessman and obviously intelligent, but I think his neuralink stuff poses huge ethical dilemmas.
Everything about Elon Musk is in my opinion a huge ethical dilemma, and I am really flabbergasted that about everyone here trust the guy??!!! Come on!!
Competely Agree. You're speaking my language. That meeting with Treasonous Apple Tim earning his trust and changing his mind is NOT indicative of loyalty to 'The Constitution' and most surely muddies the waters. Confusion is one of the preferred tools of evil and those deliberately creating confusion to HIDE BEHIND are NEVER TO BE TRUSTED.
I expect the TLAs have a back door and he is trying to find it and close it. Maybe (if you believe Musk has good intent). But he surely has spies still there.
Charlotte, I really don’t know what to make of him: on the one hand hailed as savior of free speech but throws a few lefties off but then reinstated them because a bunch of lefties on Twitter “voted” for it. On the other is a huge proponent of things meant to enslave like AI & electric cars that the grid is not ready for yet. Supposedly wore some weird costume when he could’ve chosen anything less controversial. I’m reserving judgment for now (not that my opinion matters much) but he’s definitely no savior until proven w/ actions & not just words.
It is a bit of a fantasy, and it is not just Musk working on it, other companies are ahead of Musk on the project but everybody likes to dump on Musk and ignore everyone else. Transhumanism? Come back in 50yrs or more and maybe that will be a worthy discussion. Right now you have government agencies on a $100B binge of designing & releasing deadly chimera viruses with ZERO repercussions. Let's focus on that.
Honestly, what company WOULD allow advertising of competing firms on the site that they own unless they were being paid by that other firm? That's where affiliate marketing comes into play. If you want me to advertise for you on my site, it will cost you. Has nothing to do with "free speech" in my opinion. It's just a smart business practice.
Or is about everybodys brain removed except you and I and a few other people... and than is my question, if this is so, who is punished the most? The brainless? Or us suffering the brainless?
Anti-Christ. Give me a break. He's fighting for the survival of humanity against a cadre of $trillionaire Bankster Club-of-Rome Psychopath creeps who have expressly stated their goal of reducing the human population to 1-2B. And they created the Covid virus and Plandemic. And you call Musk the anti-Christ. Get your head straight. Focus.
How did humanity ever survive before "social" media was invented? For all those thousands of years they somehow evaded extinction despite the lack of Twitter feeds. Very mysterious.
Not more of the brain chip crap. Jesus. Dummies think Musk is going to be running people with his joysticks adding parts to Tesla's through the "mind control brain chip". How about just ONE of the MANY teams working on these brain interface projects for a couple DECADES now, maybe just maybe restore some rudimentary movement to a paraplegic, or maybe just maybe, someday do as Musk hopes, make a faster keyboard through a direct brain interface. Undoubtedly some people would like that, but myself my old fashioned keyboard is good enough for me.
Gee, do you remember the Prez saying that posion-vaxx shots would NOT BE MANDATORY?? You could make a choice?
Funny huh? THAT. DID. NOT. LAST.
What if they won't LET you keep your old-fashioned keyboard? Well, you didn't STOP IT.... so now you GET it!
I agree 100% on providing help for the disabled of many types. I am VERY leery of "we can make him better, faster, stronger... we have the technology." (You young enough to remember the Six Million Dollar Man?) And IF lots of people unthinkingly sign up to get their brains "upgraded" -- how are you going to protect YOUR child? How will your child compete in the technofuture world WITHOUT opening his skull?
Coerced brain chips for quicker typing are the least of our worries right now. How about an Ebola/Corona chimera virus that our government is funding in a hundred secret bioweapon labs all around the World. Their last "creation" has cost the World economy $40T. Maybe focus on that right now rather than Transhumanist SciFi.
Its a slippery slope. Especially that keyboard example. If they can make a vaccine/medical intervention a condition of employment and its already a condition of employment for some jobs you must type a minimum of 70 Words Per Minute, why not think 240 WPM via brain interface chip. WPM requirements already seem legal.
Sounds like a fairly minor labor rights law that needs to be enacted. Oh, but your politicians are all corrupt, bought and paid for stooges. Well, I would say that there is the real problem.
How long have job postings in the medical transcription and call center field has words per minute as a requirement and those haven't been challenged for decades? I am sorry but I do not think you're going to be seeing a significant change in this area. If only those with branchips can work in the IT field....b/c of typing advantages, or medical field or engineering fields.... it would basically be compulsory to adopt.
Maybe, but the very fact most of us here don't agree with that requirement means a simple regulation, enforced at state or local level would rectify it. Otherwise I guess in that SciFi hypothetical future I reckon lot's of people won't be able to do those jobs, like millions of other high tech jobs 95% of the population will not be able to do. And yet I believe in universal employment. And it is quite achievable with rational monetary policy.
Most people would like services, entertainment, sport, recreation and education within 15 minutes but we don’t want it enforced by geofencing and fines. There are other ways where we don’t have to cede power and authority.
Make you do what? You control the keyboard, they control nothing. They control you in much simpler methods, legal enforcement, CIA mind control chemicals like fentanyl gas, requirements for employment and now their latest extermination through energy & food scarcity poverty. Focus on reality not SciFi fantasy.
If they can figure a way to connect to your brain, that seems like a pretty effective tool. And the "they do this already so this doesn't matter" argument is silly.
It is quite simple, other social media networks are competition and the links are uncompensated advertising. You wouldn't see Tide having adverts on their boxes for another laundry detergent.
Of course he is. All of the DATA COLLECTION SERVICES OF SOCIAL MEDIA mind screw the population. THAT'S THEIR JOB. It's all research...Experimentation. Feels like a perpetual 'Psyc Research Project' EXACTLY AS WHEN IN UNIVERSITY.
Twitter IS Military/Govt. Psy-Ops. The U.S. Govt. via DARPA is the origin of ALL SOCIAL MEDIA AND ALL OWE THEIR SERVICES TO GOVT. If 'Concentration/Re-Education Camps or PRISONS are now Re-Imagined to be 'Smart/15 Min. Cities' and POISONOUS Gene Therapy Bioweapons are now 'Re-Imagined' to be VACCINES; how is it possible for 'The People' to miss the fact of morally/ethically malleable college dropouts and Garage Bookstore Owners being maintained as COVER FOR GOVT. Social Media is Psy-Ops within themselves as they were to appear innocuous and benign as a means to 'CONNECT WITH PEOPLE' when in fact they were always WEAPONS OF WARFARE.
I totally oppose the silencing of dissenting voices, but posting links to competing social media does strike me as akin to handing out Costco flyers inside the Walmart. Why SHOULDN'T I get escorted out of the building?
I added "The Opposing View" section to my article, that enumerates several disagreeing readers' positions -- as I believe that these opinions deserve to be seen and considered. Also added DEBATE: to the title
Or sticking competitors ads on a big advertising board on the highway. The company owning the sign paid and than griffters just put a sticker on it to be seen. Nah im getting it. Might suck for subscribers who like to move their base around yet in the ad world this is clearly just a cooperate move to win. Its doggy dog. Otherwise I would not infringe on what is said but I see this as a different matter.
Seems fair enough to not allow it to be done for free.
Another example of a similar thing is that Amazon won't allow you to send Google search traffic to a product page, you have to use the Amazon advertising options if you want to promote a product. If you try then your paid Google traffic is redirected to the Amazon home page.
First and foremost, Twitter is a business. Isn’t it? Isn’t that how a business would behave? Prevent mention of the competition? Oh, wait, I’m confused. I was in old-model-real-world mode there. Never mind.
for me, it’s a glass wall with the illusion of protection as all the 3 letter agencies are embedded in the servers and practice “nudging” the popular opinion of the masses.
Towns used to be walled, and only burghers of good standing could speak in public without being arrested, and still had to be mindful of what they said, and who they said it about.
Slander used to be a major crime warranting very strict physical punishment and public shaming.
Years ago, I spent a month or so on Twitter, selected only writers whose views I agreed with, and promptly got very bored and quit. I rejoined Twitter when Musk bought it and was pleasantly surprised at the variety of comments that appeared when I turned the thing on. Of course, I immediately blocked @robreiner.
Still, I found it exhausting to discover that a dozen people were posting every minute and I shut my account down again.
one thing that cracks me up about the often mentioned "town square" analogy is that people across the globe have separated themselves into many many different towns. there are literally millions of town squares in the world. and people like it that way. not everyone wants to live in Cincinnati or Lagos or Shanghai or Mexico City.
why would Musk or anyone think that the world can, or even wants to, function with a single town square? I don't understand that. it's an impossible, unnecessary goal.
if I said "the world needs a single arena" for everything: formula 1 car races, 100 meter olympic sprints, ice skating races, high school football games, Elton John concerts, and monster truck demolition derbies -- would that make any sense?
Have you seen the app that China uses for its social credit program. The name is eluding me right now. Musk himself has said he wants to create a similar app here where everything is done through his app…which begs the question, why would everyone use just one app if NOT for a social credit system? That seems to be the end goal, and I won’t play that game. In China, you can’t even take a bus if you don’t have the proper social credit. Look into it, pre-Covid, it was scary enough.
I think you're talking about WeChat. Even the Wikipedia description of it makes it seem like a totalitarian's dream: "WeChat is a Chinese instant messaging, social media, and mobile payment app developed by Tencent. First released in 2011, it became the world's largest standalone mobile app in 2018, with over 1 billion monthly active users. WeChat has been described as China's "app for everything" and a super-app because of its wide range of functions."
Correct, thank you. Musk has often said it is his desire to create the same platform, and I personally have no desire to be a part of a social credit program.
good point. it would be a lot of fun to see a global digital demolition derby with Elton John playing the piano in the center. probably sell a lot of ads.
Figured I put this here...seems I’ve always been supportive, but the suggestion that “mentioning” these other platforms is censored, but I believe it is only @links
Rules like the local school boards here in the US use to prevent speech from parents they don’t agree with? Those kind of rules? Or more like Robert’s rules of order? Asking for a friend 😉
Well I kind of like the idea of not letting people in bikinis or topless shop in malls. Silencing voices is one thing. This is definitely the area where things get dicey. A proper town square would allow the topless bikini wearers and only those promoting violence would be banned. On Zerohedge I saw in the comments literally a concerted effort by a group (who they were funded by who knows) to repeatedly post anti-semitic comments. They were clearly trying to discredit the entire website.
If you're going to have free speech, then too-bad-so-sad, you're GOING to have to allow antisemitic speech! As long as it's NOT advocating violence -- and there is a clear bright line about that -- NOT the "ooooh! It hurts my FEEEEwings!! Make them stop!" but an actual threat of violence.
The PREMISES under which a request for censoring must ALSO be taken into account! Why is it 100% legit and allowed for other races to scream "kill whitey!" on socials.... but not even a semi-polite, "oh, he's a jew."? Can you even TELL the difference between advocating violence and protecting ANY class as if that class were 3-yr-old princes?
DEFINE your terms before you start declaring what you think should be allowed or disallowed!
You seem a bit upset by this line of discussion. I was merely pointing out that hundreds of fake accounts tried to overwhelm zerohedge comments with anti-semitic comments in order to try and hurt the reputation of the site. I’m not proposing even a solution- I believe in freedom of speech. This is a nuanced discussion about if there are any boundaries at all and what were Musk’s intentions.
I added "The Opposing View" section to my article, that enumerates several disagreeing readers' positions -- as I believe that these opinions deserve to be seen and considered. Also added DEBATE: to the title
Why are you surprised, friends? Whoever thought Musk was going to save anything, when he’s a horrible human in many ways, was kidding themselves. Just look at the fact that he has 8 kids, and his ex-wife & partners are doing almost all the parenting. Who gives a sh*t if he bought TWTR when this is how he acts out in the world?! Free Speech Absolutist, My Ass!!!!!
Indeed, there is even someone put there who says on his website that "Don, Ron, and Elon, the Three Musk A Teers" (sic) will save us. Clever pun, but whoever said that is in for a VERY RUDE awakening!
I don’t see the problem. I don’t trust him. But as someone else already said, I am enjoying his antics.
Besides, giving him the benefit of the doubt, he’s trying to run a business that has never made any money. If you were trying to save, say your eatery, which was losing money, would you allow your competition to post their menus in your place? I don’t think so.
Dec 18, 2022·edited Dec 18, 2022Liked by Igor Chudov
He wants to be King of the Hill. It's that simple.
Not a monopoly. (Yet.) But if the platform is the biggest in the world and contains the entire digital footprint of the billions of users, Zuckerberg, Susie, Gates, Bezos will all take a back seat to King Elon.
My view; the quickest path to becoming a monopoly is to release the ‘other’ side of the censorship equation; thereby exposing not only the extent of the other SM platform efforts in that regard, but also the full extent of the government and non government involvement. Departments. Agencies. Names. All of them. Including Bidan. And Obama.
The problem, of course, is that ‘they’ won’t allow that to happen. And if he tries, history tells us the probable outcome.
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Seriously, what would YOU say *if* I made this my policy? It is the same thing as what Elon did.
MAJOR EDIT: many people expressed well reasoned disagreement. As I believe that they deserve to have a voice, I added "The Opposing View" section to my article, that enumerates their points. I also changed the title of this post to DEBATE -- so we all understand that ALL OPINIONS ARE WELCOME.
PS as of an hour ago, Elon Musk is running a poll whether he should step down as Twitter CEO. So far YES is winning. Added to my article.
Igor are you getting attacked like Elon? Have you spent 44 bill on a substack? Do you own substack? You compare apples with oranges. If you spent 44 bill u would do the same if it is crucial to survival of the company you purchased. Elon lost already advertisers should he bleed subscribers to the lefty competition like Facebook etc. Really? You know they doing EVERYTHING TO DESTROY HIM!
I respect your opinion. But I disagree. I do not own the entire substack. But I do own my substack. People mention other substacks or their websites in comments. I always allow that. Not allowing it would decrease the value that people get from it.
Well as I said you didn't put 44 bill into your substack account. Elon is very obviously fighting a cooperate war. Yes with the free speech absolutism he kinda made a very big claim now he sees its not so easy. But if my subscribers would use me to leave to a nasty competitor I would shut it down too so. They can still go to Facebook but you have to use other means than advertise directly on Twitter. Maybe in general this is not necessary or should be done but elonscsituayion is unique. He is being ganged upon as seen in the doxxing. And its typical of the left to use our idealistic belief to use against us which usually always works but not with Elon. He knows when the view is a stone around his neck. Conservatives have a fault. They sink with that stone every single time.
Whoopi Goldberg is a stone around the neck of THE VIEW. It will be interesting to see if she is put on horse tranquilizers to keep the lawsuits down. This has nothing to do with the current discussion, but it was fun for me to type this.
I love free speech platforms.
Can't say I agree with much I've seen her saying as of late. But she looks terrible. I wish someone near her would step in with some hard truths. Don't have to agree with her to hope she doesn't die soon.
As an Adult Protective Services' worker, I once had a client who weighed over 800#. With a group of nurses, I attempted an intervention to get her into a bariatric treatment center. We were unsuccessful & six months later, when she topped out at 900#, she had a heart attack and died. Whoopi has at least another 200# to go.
To me, it's also like going on Amazon, reviewing a product and writing "I actually got this product at Walmart, not at Amazon. Walmart."
I can see his point.
And yet, I have done exactly that. I bought an item at Fanatics that was garbage, but it was also sold on Amazon and I was allowed to post a message about the product on Amazon.
Yes, it’s like if U-Haul flooded California with trucks—way more would leave! But there’s always shortage of trucks, so you have to be super- motivated and flexible.
You have mentioned others as well. I admire that except I have become their reader as well as yours. There is so much infornation out there. Thank you as always
Of course he is not out of his mind. He has already been threatened by these platforms.
Who really runs these platforms. Why would we want to support them?
He should've just let it "ride". From a biz perspective I would understand in a normal world.
Times like now are not normal.
It's a lack of judgment. He will regret the error.
Do you own a 44 billion business? Do you have the exit data how many subscribers he is bleeding daily. I think Elon collected this data and analyzed it to prevent loosing subscribers.
They said twitter is bleeding money and was a failing business money wise before he purchased it. Probably just got bribe money but that's it. I think he wants to convert it into a money generating business without government bribes. Regarding the subscribers issue with unable to directly link. You can say look me up on other platforms search me you find me. Is a direct link necessary really? Anyways I dont think its an error but time will tell.
Why did Elon pay 44bill for a company worth 5? Musk is NWO start to finish. “Twitter” will “X” where social biological and physical identities will be stored. Your ESG score will be there when you log on to see how many carbon credits are available that day. He’s not your friend.
Possible. But for now I see government being quite irritated with Twitter so for now I am cautiously in wait and see.
I added "The Opposing View" section to my article, that enumerates several disagreeing readers' positions -- as I believe that these opinions deserve to be seen and considered. Also added DEBATE: to the title
The world has been fighting the suppression of free speech and selective reporting of the truth since the invention of the printing press. The problem now, is leftist Democrats with help from the tech giants have converted half of the population into apathetic drones. If they're told to stand on one leg and cluck like a chicken, or inject an unproven substance into their body, they will gladly comply. I realize censorship of opposing views is still censorship but content on facebook, instagram and google is pure indoctrination and the general population isn't getting any smarter. Sooner or later the good guy's and gal's will have to stop bringing a knife to a gun fight.
Thanks Igor-I get the feeling that you deeply believe in democracy, freedom of speech, the bill of rights, and the American way. Many of the great believers in American democracy have had years of experience overseas. I got that way after spending over a decade living ( happily) in East Asia.
I love the United States, the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, the politeness and general honesty.
That's not going to help Twitter survive.
Hello Zade, l would argue differently. Twitter must distance itself from other Social Media Platforms in order to fulfil its “agreement” to promote Free Speech, one example. Many people, including myself, have returned to Twitter and am visibly seeing more open discussion .. l do not believe that Twitter needs to “embrace the Agenda and the darkness of fact checkers” to survive - l think quite the opposite - time will tell ..
You are not making sense. Twitter has stated support for free speech. That means Twitter must offer free speech. If other platforms don't like it they can distance themselves.
Twitter does not walk the talk. Many cases where it is taking away freedoms.
Sure he has pressure or evil motives, but lying about things is not a good look.
That is a good thing. For you too you'll see sooner than I think
He staged a coup together with USA in order to get hold of Bolivia's Lithium deposits. Musk is a war criminal
That's silly, Yal. He obviously didn't buy this, uh, "troubled" asset to make money with it. And it's mostly not his money, either. (Even "his" money isn't really his, but I digress.) Elon's just a front man. You don't have to look very hard into his history to understand that.
So, it's quite possible that he's just doing a controlled demolition here, on behalf of his faction.
exactly.
Dumb.
Do you talk to people like that in real life? You sound four. Hence why most of us just zone out for years. Grow up or get out.
That's not going to help Twitter survive.
Good because that will help good people to survive
Yal NA I respect your opinion and passion behind your beliefs. It is always good to check facts before letting yourself becoming overwhelmed with emotions, beliefs and perceptions rather than facts. Facts are Fact. Your statements are not based on FACTs. Time to refresh your knowledge and the basics of critical thinking.
You make Zero sense. Which facts am I mentioning incorrectly or not considering? How am I overwhelmed with emotion?
It might be helpful having a conversation with your Psychologist or Emotional Intelligence/Personal Growth Coach. Some levels of competencies can only be achieved with the professional guidance. It is almost always a must when a person has a deeply rooted "blind spot" preventing them for having insights into their own deeper self, self sabotage mechanisms, and overall emotional intelligence. Understanding Facts vs fiction, judgment vs belief, perception vs facts, 'feeling' vs "thinking" etc is the starting point for accessing capacity to think. Check out Marshall Rosenberg Nonviolent Communication. It is a great starting point. My suggestions come from a place of care and respect for you. Do what you wish with them. This is the end of my communication with you. All the best.
Nothing i said merits this kinda response of you, it seems overkill and possibly a generic bot response. Dont pretend to care about me you don't know me and recommendations of a doctor/psychiatrists are just insults. How about instead of this you would have answered my questions in detail. But you seem like an anti Elon bot. This rather generic comment is probably used all over on substack to intimidate people with an anti-narrative view. Proofs Elon is indeed attacked. And Igor is handing the left a win by complaining.
It’s amazing how you respond to Yal NA accusing of emotion vs fact, and then provide not a single fact yourself. In fact, you then engage in a personal attack, proving you had no facts, just the ability to try and “sound” intelligent citing personal coaches and perhaps copying a page off a website about debate, forgetting to apply it yourself.
You have a good point, yep. :-)
Always fair minded and open to hearing all sides in a debate. I appreciate this about you, Igor Chudov.
is el gato on twitter yet?
not that I've seen but the Freedom Fridays are picking up steam
Excuse me? FREEDOM days??!! To Elon okay, but not to you my dear
that refers to when people get reinstated, a new wave of them every Friday.
Not yet- I checked yesterday.
I'd ask why, ask for a strict definition of what you mean, and then decide whether to continue reading and writing here, or to stop.
Heil Igor!
Very much the SAME THING.
Too much wacky tabacky or maybe he really thinks he has replaced God in your dystopian post-Covid Idiocracy once lauded as a "democratic model" that all the world should aspire to becoming?
Coming To America was much more than a Neil Diamond hit.
Dunno really.
The majority of the world put up with the batshot crazy Little Elf et al, Dementedly Slow Joe, Bill Gates Of Hell and ALL THEIR CRAPPOLA for nearly 3 years, after all.
What's a little more Supreme Ruler of Twitter Complex?
#NoAmnesty 💔
#DoNotComply ✊
i think you blocked my plug :(
thanks for the approx 50 subscribers i got through senseless plugging in tour comment section :)
I am okay with it as long as nobody overdoes it and your comments are pertinent
lol- well that would be rough
Ok, I’m going to go out on a limb and say- the idea that Musk is supposedly proposing is that all of those linked accounts to other social servers should be able to have an account on Twitter. But the reality is, that obviously isn’t the case. The Gato Malo example being a good one (Andrew Bostom, Emma Woodhouse, etc.)
BTW mentioning a name is not the same thing as a complete link. One of the differences is when you click on a link it opens up a page right away. A name is not underscored automatically and has no programmming function. Tell me where Elon forbids mentioning names.
If you announced the above, I would ask for specific reasons as to why. Regular people don’t have access to Musk. Still, I don’t think it’s a good business move to do that.
It's your blog, I'd do it your way. I'm not here to praise eugyppius.
But what if I wanted to share a related link to a post by Eugyppius? I am finding it hard to believe how much support this dictator policy is getting.
They can be dictator in their own house, just as you can in yours,
It just isn't free speech - turning on a dime.
No speech is free. It always has a price.
Eugyppius has a Twitter account AND it is as easy as pushing a couple keys to repost his Substack.com essays on Twitter. At least it was yesterday.
Metaphor by Igor, not specific example as the censorship did not mention Substack links, only Facebook and some social media. Trump's for example. Tweeting about political censorship while doing political censorship....
I come to bury eugyppius, not to praise him.
But Igor has said he would forbid us from mentioning Eugyppius, and surely Igor is an honourabe man!
:) Surely he is an honorable man.
Who's eugyppius?
an absolute legend. find his stack
A writer on Substack, among other things.
EL Gato Eugyppius
Pretty sure he tweeted a month ago that he was going to find a CEO to run Twitter. Of course, he would do that. He was never going to be the long-term CEO of Twitter. But, as it's owner, he's still going to have the final say in what the CEO does.
He may know that the government is truly manipulating the other social media outlets and does not want it on Twitter. Once you post a link that link can be changed to anything. I would not doubt the government would change the links especially after the evidence of government censorship is mounting....
I thought linking is what the www is all about...
No not if you cannot control it. The original link can be totally altered to be something different from the original person links purpose. For instance, the original link can say there are many side effects pf the jab but it can be altered to say the jab is the best thing ever and the original linker would never know. This is dangerous. Elon does not want innocent posts later turned into weapons. The original purpose of www has been hijacked by the governments, etc. It is not the same place as in 2000.
Interesting. I had no idea a link placed out there could be changed. Scary idea. Maybe Musk is trying to protect things. I still don’t trust him but.....
You have to ask Al Gore that question. 🤭
Al Gore is the inventor of the internet and global warming and is a Nobel Laureate who happens to be Conveniently Untruthful on many issues.
DARPA , DOD's exotic weapons maker, invented the internet. It is responsible for inventing the "vaccine".
And this is just going to make people dump Twitter, if they haven't already.
Not sure what you mean by ..."Once you post a link that link can be changed to anything. "
The original link can be edited to something you may not like. Your post is still pointing to that link. You do not own the link and it is open to change by the owner or censor. It is not permanent like a paper document. Most people are not aware to that.
But isn't this true with every link we ever create to any site anywhere on the Internet?
And, hasn't it always been this way?
There's never any guarantee the content on a shared link will be the same tomorrow. In fact, there's never any guarantee the link will even be working tomorrow.
Agree, if the solution to that problem is banning the practice of linking, then the cure is far worse than the disease. Just like...the mRNA vaccines
Well said ~ and thank you, SEF. Thought I was missing something here.
Guess I wasn't . . . .
(If it looks like a duck....)
yes, excellent point. Why should anyone be held to some personal responsibility for posting a link? This gotcha society is not healthy.
As in, if the owner of the page you linked to changes the content on the page? That would be the only way, correct?
Or a censor could change it on some platforms. I have seen articles that say the government was given backdoor censor abilities to Twitter etc.
Thanks for clarity. Did not know. Implications of that are quite overwhelming to consider.
What if you do not post it as a link (e.g. by replacing the "." by "-dot-").
Twitter with their new policy forbids doing that to bypass the sites they banned.
But doing so would avoid redirecting the link to a web-page that you do not like.
Government is trying to built another Twitter which is under their controll or they found another company to do that. Surely they will try to move everybody to the other platform.
If government social media is run as well as the DMV in my state, it will be very popular! They will have to change the term tweet to something catchy like groan.
The official reason makes enough sense, just dealing a blow to competitors. Any web site can change its content.
This appears to be a knee-jerk reaction about control and money. He probably saw a lot of the leftists leaving for mastodon and didn’t want to promote those accounts.
Could there also be a back door way for 3 letter agencies to follow the accounts back into Twitter, after he just tried to cut the proverbial gordian knot with the spy agencies? I mean if the agencies are present in Facebook (which they are) can they then follow back into Twitter by linked articles and spy on Twitter that way? It’s sometimes hard to discern all of the issues right away.
For sake of clarification, I’m completely neutral on Elon. He’s a businessman and obviously intelligent, but I think his neuralink stuff poses huge ethical dilemmas.
Very interesting thoughts!
Everything about Elon Musk is in my opinion a huge ethical dilemma, and I am really flabbergasted that about everyone here trust the guy??!!! Come on!!
Anti-Christ.
Competely Agree. You're speaking my language. That meeting with Treasonous Apple Tim earning his trust and changing his mind is NOT indicative of loyalty to 'The Constitution' and most surely muddies the waters. Confusion is one of the preferred tools of evil and those deliberately creating confusion to HIDE BEHIND are NEVER TO BE TRUSTED.
I expect the TLAs have a back door and he is trying to find it and close it. Maybe (if you believe Musk has good intent). But he surely has spies still there.
Charlotte, I really don’t know what to make of him: on the one hand hailed as savior of free speech but throws a few lefties off but then reinstated them because a bunch of lefties on Twitter “voted” for it. On the other is a huge proponent of things meant to enslave like AI & electric cars that the grid is not ready for yet. Supposedly wore some weird costume when he could’ve chosen anything less controversial. I’m reserving judgment for now (not that my opinion matters much) but he’s definitely no savior until proven w/ actions & not just words.
That's a gross simplification of what happened. And I'm neutral on him too, for the record.
What is the deep dive? He’s an enigma & motives are very hard to discern @ this stage
Neuralink is another fantasy along the lines of “Hype-Our-Loop” and self-driving trucks: delusions of a pot-addled brain.
“Hm, it’s harder than I thought”: https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/5/22563751/tesla-elon-musk-full-self-driving-admission-autopilot-crash
It is a bit of a fantasy, and it is not just Musk working on it, other companies are ahead of Musk on the project but everybody likes to dump on Musk and ignore everyone else. Transhumanism? Come back in 50yrs or more and maybe that will be a worthy discussion. Right now you have government agencies on a $100B binge of designing & releasing deadly chimera viruses with ZERO repercussions. Let's focus on that.
Check out ChatGTP- that’s reality and scary as Hell.
The hype may be scary as hell. But it's just a bullshit generator.
https://aisnakeoil.substack.com/p/chatgpt-is-a-bullshit-generator-but
And, anyway, it had little to do with Elon. Many of his projects have been flimsy frauds. This Twitter thing may well be another one.
I got my account restored on Twitter after being banned for vaccine danger truth speaking. My 10 followers are pumped.. lol
Honestly, what company WOULD allow advertising of competing firms on the site that they own unless they were being paid by that other firm? That's where affiliate marketing comes into play. If you want me to advertise for you on my site, it will cost you. Has nothing to do with "free speech" in my opinion. It's just a smart business practice.
That's an excellent point.
Calling it “advertising” is a stretch.
What you're forgetting is that on Twitter as on FB and the other social media hell holes, you're not the customer, you're the product.
touché
Elon Musk To Start BRAIN CHIP HUMAN Trials
Do not put your trust in princes, in mortal men, who cannot save - Psalm 146:3
https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/elon-musk-to-start-brain-chip-human
But I had my brain removed 12 years ago.😎😎😎 Just ask anyone on substacks
LOL again!
Check in mail. You're a genius, btw. I say something hysterical, 1 in 10k get in .
Or is about everybodys brain removed except you and I and a few other people... and than is my question, if this is so, who is punished the most? The brainless? Or us suffering the brainless?
You're on the path!
Those who see always suffer most... Until the end.
I worry about vaxxed... They are clueless
Would clear lots of things up to me btw
I agree, just read this about Gates, Bezos, and Musk
https://slaynews.com/news/bill-gates-invests-millions-brain-chip-implant-company/
I just thought of something. This policy would make it more difficult for a group to relocate to another site if Musk decided to crack down on them.
Anti-Christ
Anti-Christ. Give me a break. He's fighting for the survival of humanity against a cadre of $trillionaire Bankster Club-of-Rome Psychopath creeps who have expressly stated their goal of reducing the human population to 1-2B. And they created the Covid virus and Plandemic. And you call Musk the anti-Christ. Get your head straight. Focus.
How did humanity ever survive before "social" media was invented? For all those thousands of years they somehow evaded extinction despite the lack of Twitter feeds. Very mysterious.
Not more of the brain chip crap. Jesus. Dummies think Musk is going to be running people with his joysticks adding parts to Tesla's through the "mind control brain chip". How about just ONE of the MANY teams working on these brain interface projects for a couple DECADES now, maybe just maybe restore some rudimentary movement to a paraplegic, or maybe just maybe, someday do as Musk hopes, make a faster keyboard through a direct brain interface. Undoubtedly some people would like that, but myself my old fashioned keyboard is good enough for me.
Gee, do you remember the Prez saying that posion-vaxx shots would NOT BE MANDATORY?? You could make a choice?
Funny huh? THAT. DID. NOT. LAST.
What if they won't LET you keep your old-fashioned keyboard? Well, you didn't STOP IT.... so now you GET it!
I agree 100% on providing help for the disabled of many types. I am VERY leery of "we can make him better, faster, stronger... we have the technology." (You young enough to remember the Six Million Dollar Man?) And IF lots of people unthinkingly sign up to get their brains "upgraded" -- how are you going to protect YOUR child? How will your child compete in the technofuture world WITHOUT opening his skull?
Coerced brain chips for quicker typing are the least of our worries right now. How about an Ebola/Corona chimera virus that our government is funding in a hundred secret bioweapon labs all around the World. Their last "creation" has cost the World economy $40T. Maybe focus on that right now rather than Transhumanist SciFi.
Its a slippery slope. Especially that keyboard example. If they can make a vaccine/medical intervention a condition of employment and its already a condition of employment for some jobs you must type a minimum of 70 Words Per Minute, why not think 240 WPM via brain interface chip. WPM requirements already seem legal.
Sounds like a fairly minor labor rights law that needs to be enacted. Oh, but your politicians are all corrupt, bought and paid for stooges. Well, I would say that there is the real problem.
How long have job postings in the medical transcription and call center field has words per minute as a requirement and those haven't been challenged for decades? I am sorry but I do not think you're going to be seeing a significant change in this area. If only those with branchips can work in the IT field....b/c of typing advantages, or medical field or engineering fields.... it would basically be compulsory to adopt.
Maybe, but the very fact most of us here don't agree with that requirement means a simple regulation, enforced at state or local level would rectify it. Otherwise I guess in that SciFi hypothetical future I reckon lot's of people won't be able to do those jobs, like millions of other high tech jobs 95% of the population will not be able to do. And yet I believe in universal employment. And it is quite achievable with rational monetary policy.
Yes, it would be a problem.
Most people would like services, entertainment, sport, recreation and education within 15 minutes but we don’t want it enforced by geofencing and fines. There are other ways where we don’t have to cede power and authority.
If they can do those things, they can make you do other things. Have other thoughts. Your brain could be hacked.
Make you do what? You control the keyboard, they control nothing. They control you in much simpler methods, legal enforcement, CIA mind control chemicals like fentanyl gas, requirements for employment and now their latest extermination through energy & food scarcity poverty. Focus on reality not SciFi fantasy.
It is pretty naive to not think it couldn't and wouldn't be used to control you to this level.
If they could it wouldn't any different than using any of the CIA mind control drugs, but a whole lot more expensive and likely less effective.
If they can figure a way to connect to your brain, that seems like a pretty effective tool. And the "they do this already so this doesn't matter" argument is silly.
Maybe preventing « easy » transfer of information?
FB has been controlled freaks of misinformation and he doesn’t want all that 💩 easily transferred by their tech wizards?
That will make sense to me. It’s not controlling speech but damages control?
It is quite simple, other social media networks are competition and the links are uncompensated advertising. You wouldn't see Tide having adverts on their boxes for another laundry detergent.
But on Twitter YOU are the product, not the customer.
He's committing crimes against humanity by not restoring my account. My 17 followers are lost.😎😎😎😎😎 no ego here
Maybe he is just screwing with people...to see their reactions.
I don't trust him. But I immensely enjoy him.
...especially when he suspended the doxxing queen, Taylor Lorenz, of the Washington Post.
Thanks, now I have an ABBA ear worm :)
Of course he is. All of the DATA COLLECTION SERVICES OF SOCIAL MEDIA mind screw the population. THAT'S THEIR JOB. It's all research...Experimentation. Feels like a perpetual 'Psyc Research Project' EXACTLY AS WHEN IN UNIVERSITY.
What he is doing is not nearly as destructive as the military/government psyops in regard to the covid bioweapon and the covid death shots.
Twitter IS Military/Govt. Psy-Ops. The U.S. Govt. via DARPA is the origin of ALL SOCIAL MEDIA AND ALL OWE THEIR SERVICES TO GOVT. If 'Concentration/Re-Education Camps or PRISONS are now Re-Imagined to be 'Smart/15 Min. Cities' and POISONOUS Gene Therapy Bioweapons are now 'Re-Imagined' to be VACCINES; how is it possible for 'The People' to miss the fact of morally/ethically malleable college dropouts and Garage Bookstore Owners being maintained as COVER FOR GOVT. Social Media is Psy-Ops within themselves as they were to appear innocuous and benign as a means to 'CONNECT WITH PEOPLE' when in fact they were always WEAPONS OF WARFARE.
I totally oppose the silencing of dissenting voices, but posting links to competing social media does strike me as akin to handing out Costco flyers inside the Walmart. Why SHOULDN'T I get escorted out of the building?
I added "The Opposing View" section to my article, that enumerates several disagreeing readers' positions -- as I believe that these opinions deserve to be seen and considered. Also added DEBATE: to the title
Igor, you practice what you preach -- bravo!!! 👍👍
Would that YouTube/Facebook (and so many "news" papers) handled viewpoint differences the way you do.
Cool.
My thoughts exactly. Or bringing food or a bottle of wine into a restaurant.
Or sticking competitors ads on a big advertising board on the highway. The company owning the sign paid and than griffters just put a sticker on it to be seen. Nah im getting it. Might suck for subscribers who like to move their base around yet in the ad world this is clearly just a cooperate move to win. Its doggy dog. Otherwise I would not infringe on what is said but I see this as a different matter.
Seems fair enough to not allow it to be done for free.
Another example of a similar thing is that Amazon won't allow you to send Google search traffic to a product page, you have to use the Amazon advertising options if you want to promote a product. If you try then your paid Google traffic is redirected to the Amazon home page.
First and foremost, Twitter is a business. Isn’t it? Isn’t that how a business would behave? Prevent mention of the competition? Oh, wait, I’m confused. I was in old-model-real-world mode there. Never mind.
He said that Twitter needs to be a "digital town square"
If he continues this path, the "town square" rapidly becomes a "walled garden". (As FB is.)
for me, it’s a glass wall with the illusion of protection as all the 3 letter agencies are embedded in the servers and practice “nudging” the popular opinion of the masses.
Fittingly enough.
Towns used to be walled, and only burghers of good standing could speak in public without being arrested, and still had to be mindful of what they said, and who they said it about.
Slander used to be a major crime warranting very strict physical punishment and public shaming.
Years ago, I spent a month or so on Twitter, selected only writers whose views I agreed with, and promptly got very bored and quit. I rejoined Twitter when Musk bought it and was pleasantly surprised at the variety of comments that appeared when I turned the thing on. Of course, I immediately blocked @robreiner.
Still, I found it exhausting to discover that a dozen people were posting every minute and I shut my account down again.
Substack keeps me sufficiently busy and informed.
Amen…
I think he has proven beyond any doubt that what he says and what he does are two distinctly different things.
one thing that cracks me up about the often mentioned "town square" analogy is that people across the globe have separated themselves into many many different towns. there are literally millions of town squares in the world. and people like it that way. not everyone wants to live in Cincinnati or Lagos or Shanghai or Mexico City.
why would Musk or anyone think that the world can, or even wants to, function with a single town square? I don't understand that. it's an impossible, unnecessary goal.
if I said "the world needs a single arena" for everything: formula 1 car races, 100 meter olympic sprints, ice skating races, high school football games, Elton John concerts, and monster truck demolition derbies -- would that make any sense?
Have you seen the app that China uses for its social credit program. The name is eluding me right now. Musk himself has said he wants to create a similar app here where everything is done through his app…which begs the question, why would everyone use just one app if NOT for a social credit system? That seems to be the end goal, and I won’t play that game. In China, you can’t even take a bus if you don’t have the proper social credit. Look into it, pre-Covid, it was scary enough.
I think you're talking about WeChat. Even the Wikipedia description of it makes it seem like a totalitarian's dream: "WeChat is a Chinese instant messaging, social media, and mobile payment app developed by Tencent. First released in 2011, it became the world's largest standalone mobile app in 2018, with over 1 billion monthly active users. WeChat has been described as China's "app for everything" and a super-app because of its wide range of functions."
Correct, thank you. Musk has often said it is his desire to create the same platform, and I personally have no desire to be a part of a social credit program.
Yeah, I don't either.
It might not make any sense, but it would be exciting to watch.
good point. it would be a lot of fun to see a global digital demolition derby with Elton John playing the piano in the center. probably sell a lot of ads.
Figured I put this here...seems I’ve always been supportive, but the suggestion that “mentioning” these other platforms is censored, but I believe it is only @links
That’s an interesting distinction- I really do wonder what sorts of things direct links can expose a server to...
Maybe he wants to avoid a “digital spy town square”?
Town squares even require rules to function well.
Rules like the local school boards here in the US use to prevent speech from parents they don’t agree with? Those kind of rules? Or more like Robert’s rules of order? Asking for a friend 😉
Well I kind of like the idea of not letting people in bikinis or topless shop in malls. Silencing voices is one thing. This is definitely the area where things get dicey. A proper town square would allow the topless bikini wearers and only those promoting violence would be banned. On Zerohedge I saw in the comments literally a concerted effort by a group (who they were funded by who knows) to repeatedly post anti-semitic comments. They were clearly trying to discredit the entire website.
If you're going to have free speech, then too-bad-so-sad, you're GOING to have to allow antisemitic speech! As long as it's NOT advocating violence -- and there is a clear bright line about that -- NOT the "ooooh! It hurts my FEEEEwings!! Make them stop!" but an actual threat of violence.
The PREMISES under which a request for censoring must ALSO be taken into account! Why is it 100% legit and allowed for other races to scream "kill whitey!" on socials.... but not even a semi-polite, "oh, he's a jew."? Can you even TELL the difference between advocating violence and protecting ANY class as if that class were 3-yr-old princes?
DEFINE your terms before you start declaring what you think should be allowed or disallowed!
You seem a bit upset by this line of discussion. I was merely pointing out that hundreds of fake accounts tried to overwhelm zerohedge comments with anti-semitic comments in order to try and hurt the reputation of the site. I’m not proposing even a solution- I believe in freedom of speech. This is a nuanced discussion about if there are any boundaries at all and what were Musk’s intentions.
I'm 100% against censoring. I'd love to see you skinheads slugging it out with your "woketard" counterparts in public forums.
I added "The Opposing View" section to my article, that enumerates several disagreeing readers' positions -- as I believe that these opinions deserve to be seen and considered. Also added DEBATE: to the title
Twitter has never been "first and foremost" a business.
It's always been about narrative control.
Isn't that obvious?
Why are you surprised, friends? Whoever thought Musk was going to save anything, when he’s a horrible human in many ways, was kidding themselves. Just look at the fact that he has 8 kids, and his ex-wife & partners are doing almost all the parenting. Who gives a sh*t if he bought TWTR when this is how he acts out in the world?! Free Speech Absolutist, My Ass!!!!!
As bad as it sounds -- you could prove right in the end
Indeed, there is even someone put there who says on his website that "Don, Ron, and Elon, the Three Musk A Teers" (sic) will save us. Clever pun, but whoever said that is in for a VERY RUDE awakening!
Elon is nothing more than a rich élite member of the billionaire oligarch team.
If bullshit was bananas he'd be a gorilla's dream.
Lifestyles of the elite and effete....
I don’t see the problem. I don’t trust him. But as someone else already said, I am enjoying his antics.
Besides, giving him the benefit of the doubt, he’s trying to run a business that has never made any money. If you were trying to save, say your eatery, which was losing money, would you allow your competition to post their menus in your place? I don’t think so.
He wants to be King of the Hill. It's that simple.
Not a monopoly. (Yet.) But if the platform is the biggest in the world and contains the entire digital footprint of the billions of users, Zuckerberg, Susie, Gates, Bezos will all take a back seat to King Elon.
SM is about data mining and information control.
this is not how he could become a monopoly
No. But this policy would make it harder for groups to relocate once Musk decided to start cracking down like Zuckerberg did near the end of 2020.
Interesting comment. Nuanced meaning?
My view; the quickest path to becoming a monopoly is to release the ‘other’ side of the censorship equation; thereby exposing not only the extent of the other SM platform efforts in that regard, but also the full extent of the government and non government involvement. Departments. Agencies. Names. All of them. Including Bidan. And Obama.
The problem, of course, is that ‘they’ won’t allow that to happen. And if he tries, history tells us the probable outcome.