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Marla's avatar

Why are you trying to eat less meat? Is it due to the propaganda you read in the MSM?

The truth is humans evolved eating animal products and all of our needed nutrients are contained within these foods.

Most plants are full of toxic defense chemicals; they may be good medicine but they are not good food.

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MC's avatar

As soon as I switched to a mostly meat diet my health improved.

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Vonu's avatar

You are probably para-sympathetic dominant like me.

Look up the late Dr. Nicholas Gonzales, who using the protocols of Dr. William Donald Kelley, saved most of the stage four cancer patients that came to him after their doctors told them to go home and die.

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Mike Bonkalski's avatar

I was here to ask the same. The building block of our body is protein. And animal protein is the most bioavailable nutrient.

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Vonu's avatar

All proteins are made bioavailable by being broken down into amino acids by the hydrochloric acid in the stomach, which is far stronger than the acid in your car's battery.

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Frank Wolstencroft's avatar

Stomach acid is dilute hydrochloric acid HCl with a pH of 2.0

Battery acid is concentrated sulphuric acid H2SO4.

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Vonu's avatar

"Stomach acid has a pH between 1 and 2, which makes it quite acidic."

healthline.com/health/how-strong-is-stomach-acid

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Vonu's avatar

How can something with a pH of 2 be dilute when the scale only runs to 0?

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Bacca400's avatar

1. pH is a logorithmic scale.

2. pH of 7 is neutral

3. Compared to pH of 2, pH of 1 is 100 times more acidic.

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Vonu's avatar

Thank you for teaching all of that to those too lazy to educate themselves.

They can find out what the difference is between a logorithmic and a logarithmic scale at andrews.edu/~calkins/math/webtexts/numb17.htm

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Frank Wolstencroft's avatar

Ph is the reciprocal of the hydrogen ion concentration in an aqueous solution.

7 is neutral, anything below that number is acid, and anything above is basic.

I would not try drinking concentrated HCl if I were you :-)

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Vonu's avatar

After copying and posting all of that, you call pH Ph?

A strong burp will let you taste 1 to 2 pH stomach acid.

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Frank Wolstencroft's avatar

Sorry about that, it is 60 years ago since I took Chemistry at school :-)

I guess I got it confused with Ph.D. in my old age.

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John Axsom's avatar

Most vegans are vaxxed, liberal, and are really good sheeples. Let them eat kale. Pass the meat, please, and may our bodies rejoice in a plenitude of life giving protein. And, all the people said Amen, and Amen.

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FrauL's avatar

Okay. Vegan for 20+ years and unvaxxed. Rejoice with your vaxxed meat full of hormones. We need our men to fight back, not amens and how to love thy neighbor. YOU are the reason why we’re in this mess. “Blame vax, blame libs, blame left; right; and not YOURSELF.” Your kids and grandkids must be so proud of you for rejoicing, waiting for someone else to do the hard work. Way to go.

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Vonu's avatar

You both need to read up on Dr. Donald William Kelley's extensive work on metabolism and the protocol he used to cure his own stage four pancreatic cancer.

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pobrecollie's avatar

Nutritional science is pretty abysmal, in that they change the rules all the time. One thing most seem to agree on is that too much processed crap is bad for you and too much refined sugar.

The Fasting Mimicking Diet (Valter Longo) seems to have some decent studies behind it and he suggests mostly vegetables and fat based (so I am guessing salads with olive oil). He suggest doing that with limited calories - around 50% of your normal intake for 6 days, every so often, the frequency depending on how healthy you are initially.

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Vonu's avatar

Science doesn't have rules. Science has theories based on data, and the theories have to be revised as more and better data become available.

Large numbers are singing the praises of intermittent fasting.

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Wesley B's avatar

I agree. I'm starting to become a large believer, if you feel something is off/wrong about your body on a biological-level, just don't eat for 7 days....and then eat clean-meats without carbs, for another 7 days to let your body rebuild whatever malfunctioning-cells it broke down, watch a ton of your issues clear up.

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Vonu's avatar

If you really want to be successful, you'll have to determine where on the para-sympathetic dominant to sympathetic dominant range your metabolism lies or spend your life chasing ghosts.

It helps a lot to research the work of John Beard, William Donald Kelley, and Nicholas Gonzalez to know how to determine the basis of your metabolism.

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Wesley B's avatar

Perhaps. I'm not sure if that's true or not. Never really looked in to relationship between autonomic nervous system arousal and diet. Initially to me, they'd seem unrelated? I mean, I can increase my autonomic nervous system arousal by adjusting the time I spend breathing in versus out, taking two breaths in for every one breath out or vice-versa, etc.... You can train long-term breathing patterns too to long-term adjust your autonomic nervous system arousal. Does that mean your metabolism changes permanently or with each new breathing pattern you try?

I'm initially a little bit skeptic. I mean, if I exercise, I will temporarily become dominant in one form. Does that mean, my food will digest differently because I exercised? Technically-yes. My body will digest more protein following a gym workout than if I had not worked out. As it is seeking nutrients with which to repair.

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Vonu's avatar

I haven't ever looked into the autonomic nervous system either, since it isn't involved,

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Wesley B's avatar

para-sympathetic and sympathetic are terms used to describe the state of the autonomic nervous system.....

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Vonu's avatar

Perhaps for you, but those of us who have studied know better.

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SteelJ's avatar

Yes, the horror story that is nutritional science teaches us the problems with science, as it is practiced. It's influenced more by agendas and greed than a search for true answers. I've lost faith in studies, including so-called "gold standard" randomized double-blind. There's just too much fakery and nothing can be trusted anymore. The best bet is paleo, since it's the best approximation we can do of the natural human diet. Predictably, mainstream nutritional science hammered it ruthlessly, although it's gotten better treatment from them lately - not that I care what they say. Nutritional science is worse than worthless, it's usually harmful advice. Intermittent fasting was part of our historical dietary patterns, btw.

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Judith L. Osterman's avatar

Meat is good for you and so are plants. Eat organic.

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Aznasimage's avatar

They have just discovered the use of mRNA vaccines in our pork and beef.

Use local butchers! Meat good.

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Zade's avatar

So many vegetables are naturally full of phytotoxins. My body always tells me to go easy on the damn vegetables for that reason, same for fruit. Vegetables are HIGHLY overrated.

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QuaranTina's avatar

I'm with you.

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Vonu's avatar

Kindly name the toxic defense chemicals.

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QuaranTina's avatar

Glyphosate is being found in grains where it is thought to contribute to human infertility and also, since it is passed through mothers to their children, may be a cause of autism and other behavioral disorders in youngsters. If it's in grains, you can bet it's in veggies, too.

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Vonu's avatar

Roundup is sprayed on crops to harvest them.

More people get poisoned by spraying Roundup on the weeds in their gardens than by eating it.

I have a former friend who stopped talking to me because I kidded him for spraying Roundup on his driveway to kill the weeds growing up though it while wearing sandals without socks. Bayer/Monsanto says to use PPE when applying Roundup, and they don't mean barefoot in sandals.

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Frank Wolstencroft's avatar

My neighbor Allan had some beehives on his property that gave him several pounds of honey every year. He was dismayed one year that they had all died. When I told him that his wife Carol was spraying Round Up around his property, he was perplexed.

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Vonu's avatar

Since Roundup is sold as a herbicide, even though it is also used as a pesticide, maybe he has never thought of his bees as pests.

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Beedledee Beedledum's avatar

there is a book about them. Not sure that I agree with any one method of eating as a one size fits all, but here is name of the author of the book(s) and by now i am sure there are many, many more since eating is something we all do: Dr. Gundry.

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Vonu's avatar

Dr. Gundry has some interesting things to say that are dependent on whether you buy anything from him.

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Marla's avatar

Some plant toxins: Oxalates, Lectins, Phthalates, Goitrogens, and more...

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Vonu's avatar

And they are present in organically grown produce.

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Marla's avatar

Yes, they are part of plants’ cellular makeup and defense chemicals.

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Beedledee Beedledum's avatar

i checked out the book - didn't really like it because i didn't want to give up those plant foods LOL - though some people i know swore that cutting out the foods he told them to, reduced their symptoms of things like arthritis etc. because the theory is that these foods cause inflammation due to their substances which keep animals from eating them. Interesting concept. i don't fall into the trap of buying any of the branded products these authors try to push - that's just common sense.

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Frank Wolstencroft's avatar

I used to suffer from severe knee pain, that I finally figured out was caused by drinking red wine or beer containing purines. Now I do not drink alcohol at all, and my overall health is far better.

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Sirka Sie's avatar

As a 11 year sober person I can concur 😉

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Vonu's avatar

I wouldn't be surprised if 5-LOXIN wouldn't have solved the problem, since it is a concentrate of the boswellia in the frankincense like that given to the baby Jesus by the wise men.

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Frank Wolstencroft's avatar

This is not recommended as He ended up nailed to a cross, that was cruel and undeserved. All he did was to throw the money changers out of the temple.

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Vonu's avatar

If the bible is to be believed, he sent himself down to be used in human sacrifice after leaving a small group of people who proceeded to monetize his teachings after he was dead and risen.

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Frank Wolstencroft's avatar

The New Testament books were allegedly written by Jesus' disciples Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were not actually written until 200 years after the Crucifixion. All religions are based on cultural myth and have little to do with historical reality.

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Vonu's avatar

Amen

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Potatodots's avatar

Actually, history, archeology and anthropology align amazingly well with the Bible.

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Vonu's avatar

I don't know what book you are talking about.

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Beedledee Beedledum's avatar

look up the author. i'm not here to do your work for you.

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Vonu's avatar

I don't know which author you are talking about either.

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Van Doren's avatar

Gundry is a charlatan.

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Vonu's avatar

You don't understand what he says?

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Van Doren's avatar

How so? It's Gundry, who doesn't understand the research.

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Vonu's avatar

He does his own research.

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Van Doren's avatar

He had some publications about heart surgery, none about nutrition.

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Vonu's avatar

You and I are talking about different Gundrys then. The one I'm talking about is a cardiothoracic surgeon, heart surgeon, medical researcher, and author, with a website dedicated to nutrition at gundrymd.com

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Van Doren's avatar

It's proven beyond reasonable doubt that meat (or animal products in general) is not good for your health.

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Jim T's avatar

No, it is not. What you are referring to are studies that group people who follow the "Standard American Diet", which consists of eating tons and tons and tons of crap as being "meat eaters" and ascribing all of the ill effects of said diet to meat.

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Vonu's avatar

Are you related to the late Ancel Benjamin Keys?

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Van Doren's avatar

No, but I highly respect him.

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Vonu's avatar

Are you in possession of his corpse?

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Van Doren's avatar

Sure, I've built a mausoleum here, and worship before his corpse twice a day.

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Vonu's avatar

Stalin is probably envious.

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Frank Wolstencroft's avatar

I feel much better when I eat beef after an attempt at being a vegetarian for a while. Lowering one's intake of carbohydrates also helps lower depression.

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Vonu's avatar

It is probably caused by your body having the amino acids that aren't available from plants restored.

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Kathleen Taylor's avatar

Excellent points, Marla. I wholeheartedly agree.

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Frank Wolstencroft's avatar

I just met a girl named Maria :-)

https://youtu.be/UWlqoeyreXU

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