Bodily and personal autonomy are critical for a viable Constitutional democracy.
I understand these establishment types who go from the Ivory Tower to academia to agencies, to industry, and back to corrupt industry owned agencies....They ultimately have no values, they are gutless jellyfish! They are owned by those they are in a "relationship" with as well as their LinkedIn connections. Constantly tutored to be "positive", they would never take a stand for the truth unless it became the social custom of those "above" them.
There is a little problem. Many conspiracy theories over the last 3 years ended up being the truth. So there were conspirators and they were ultimately exposed. Among the group of people belonging to the unwellness to communism pipeline there is the bad habit of not discussing ideas on their merits: they are dogmatic fellas who immediately libel anyone who has a different opinion with no vax (I regret my 3 Pfizer BioNTech jabs but I am not against vaccines), racism, denial, no climate, and other stupid definitions. Their empty head can’t sustain a debate.
“ Mind you, at the beginning of the article, James Ball discussed how personal trainers are the superspreaders of conspiracies. Have you ever seen an involuntarily celibate gym personal trainer?”
Not only should this debunk this James Ball once and for all and eternity,
it is hand down one of the funniest things EVERRRRR!
I go to a fascist gym 4 times a week for cardiac rehab, and was targeted by my treadmill machine attempting to get me to increase my monthly membership to the Black Card level for $29.00 dollars.
My first thought if I do this I might "Endanger my Democracy", especially with the rising inflation and cost of living by the Biden Administration.
it amazes me idiots are paid to write this rubbish. wild speculation about peoples' psychology, reasoning etc. w/o any data or expertise go make them believable. if you engaged in similar talk directed to say, blacks or jews or whatever, they would be accused of bigotry, stereotyping. it is just biased random association of ideas to fit a prearranged narrative. and they think they are soooo smart and sophisticated. they are drones for the system.
Brilliant Igor. I've noted something. If you investigate conspiracy theories with a view to debunking them & you happen to find one that you cannot debunk, one that has merit & is backed by the evidence, sometimes even scientific, peer-reviewed evidence, & is clearly be lied about everywhere else, well, that's it for you... You are no longer a debunking investigator of conspiracy theories. As soon as you find even ONE that you cannot debunk, you have instead become a conspiracy theorist.
The only people that the media claims are experts on conspiracy theories are those who debunk them. There are never any experts on conspiracy theories who SUPPORT them.
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I do hope that you are not a Flatter. But the point is that some conspiracy theories are terribly weak, Flat Earth being the prime example imo. Sorry to any readers who buy FE, I most certainly do not.
I agree however, Igor, that these so-called official conspiracy theory "experts" are predominantly deceivers, paid shills for the establishment, most of them. I agree 100%.
Lol You're welcome to your thesis but actually the fact that Australia has summer while the UK has winter & vice-versa is evidence of a round planet. The fact that Australia has daylight while the UK is in night, is evidence of a round planet. Basic, simple, observable science says the planet it not flat.
Although I feel the thesis is too weak to spend time on, I don't have anything against those who do. Folks who believe in flat earth have taken their distrust in authority to a level I have not yet reached. That's all.
But it's my opinion that FE was established partly to help people who don't trust authority look silly. I'm often posting about conspiracy theories such as 9/11 etc & I get accused of being a Flatter as well. It's all part of the plan to make conspiracy theories appear stupid to those of us who do not believe in them.
You're welcome to your belief in flat earth, I'm just not agreed at this stage.
1. Most likely the stupidest piece I've read from the Guardian or anyplace else.
2. At his heresy trial (I think) Galileo said: “I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.”
3. Oh, and f**k you James Ball. The truth is exactly the opposite of which you spew.
J Michael: "The stupidest piece...from the Guardian"
Brother: have faith -- they've done, and will do, stupider.
(Edit: you should really look into the story of Galileo -- it's not really what you think it is, or at least what I'm inferring what you think from that quotation. The church was never anti-science, as such, and a lot of what we call science, eg Evolution... is not)
Evolution most indubitably is science. But yes, the Church frequently sponsored scientific development. It is rather limited to take the cases of Bruno and Galileo and present them as superstitious lunatics.
Wotan: Evolution is certainly science-adjacent! There's a guy at Michigan State that's been tracking bacterial 'evolution' for a few decades, and he's certainly observed adaptation. Of course, I observe that every time I lift weights.
Science is supposed to be about using *controlled* experiments to discern truth from superstition. Unfortunately, we can't do such experiments, and the closest we've come -- dogs -- hasn't lead to Gorgons or Minotaurs.
Well... evolution does *seem* to satisfy Occam's Razor more completely than competing theories -- that is, until one looks at the statistics of dna strands or the complexity of systems... then it actually seems *worse* than the completely non-scientific 'God Hypothesis'
If you are referring to Richard Lenski, then yes. That is one of innumerable examples. You lifting weights would only be an adaptation in the Lamarckian paradigm.
Science does involve the performance of controlled experiments, as much as it involves the observation of the natural world. As for dogs, I would observe that variation over brief generational intervals of time tends to be conservative in an evolutionary sense. There ought to be no reason for Gorgons or Minotaurs to develop from dog genetics, barring environmental conditions which advantage them.
I know not what you are describing by "statistics of DNA strands" or the "complexity of systems", but since, dissimilarly to the "God Hypothesis", evolution has been observed occurring in nature, in everything from peppered moths to antibiotic-resistant bacteria, I would adjudge it capably verified by over 150 years of science.
I should also lastly point out, ShiYen, that scientific verification of hypotheses is not necessarily experimental. Consultations of the fossil record and genetic material for a truly staggering proportion of our modern extant species have revealed perfect consistency with evolution.
Wotan: Well-written comment. Thank you. And: I was being glib with the 'working-out' comment.
I come from a 'hard' physics/engineering background -- hard meaning rigorous, and not, necessarily, difficult. For every result I've ever published... I could bring you into the lab and show you its reproduction to within statistical validity until you got too bored to keep watching.
Now, because of 'coronavirus', I was forced to look into how non-phys/eng disciplines approach their own subjects. And I was... bemused. It's an obvious point, but something that I had never thought about: I can run 1 million experiments a *day*... But doctors need six months to run *one* experiment. So the collection of statistics will always be incredibly suspect for doctors.
I think the crux of our discussion is:
>> scientific verification of hypotheses is not necessarily experimental
I would claim that it *is* experimental -- but that 'merely' puts us on two 'epistemic' planes. Unfortunately, the inability of physics to link 'epistemology' with reality (or 'ontology') is, probably, the advent of the extreme relativism of our society.
Sadly, the internet is a horrific medium for rational conversation. Were we to spend an evening in a French bar, we'd probably emerge with a better understanding of where each of us is coming from. You know, as long as we turned of(f) our cell-phones.
I think I have an "exclusive" ... Sailors on aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt had Covid before first “confirmed” case in America. Also, the IFR for outbreaks on 3 naval vessels is 4X lower than influenza. Key take-aways from strangely-ignored antibody study ...
Apparently Q only talks to Leftists. I’ve never met a QAnon follower. No conservative has ever expounded QAnon beliefs to me. But I hear about QAnon from Leftist constantly. And why do the Leftist, who behave exactly like Fascists (for example, supporting censorship and state control thru corporations) always call belief systems and people they don’t like Fascists?
Well, as I understand it, QAnon’s basic theory is that the world is being run by a cabal or pedophiles. The theory seems far-fetched, but given the information that has come to light from Epstein, Maxwell, Prince Andrew, Hunter’s laptop and Joe Biden’s affinity for man-handling and sniffing young females in his vicinity, maybe there is a kernel of truth in that commentary. OTH QAnon sure seems like a distraction / disinformation operation. Leftist ‘know’ that conservative believe in QAnon. But conservatives have never heard of him or them.
Occam's razor. More likely the world is being run by a cabal, some of who's members are pedophile. Example: Joe Biden is running the USA (in theory), is part of a criminal cabal (the Biden family), and is attracted to adolescent females (claimed by Hunter).
Well, you have a point. Maybe it was just the Bidens, and the Clintons and Anthony Weiner, and…Hey, where is Epstein’s client list? It was around here somewhere.
Santini: The world is quite clearly being run by homos/pedos, or at least "homos/pedos". To run a cartel, you need 'dirt' on your members, and this 'dirt' consists of shocking information -- in the old days homo, and nowadays pedo.
This mirrors MS13, which require higher members to kill an innocent in broad daylight, so that they know that they're going to jail for life if they rat.
Our government/media/finance is simply a cartel. See "The Creature from Jekyll Island" -- G Edward Griffin -- for a clear exposition of this.
😅 Wow, the guardian sounds desperate. The guardian article is full of conspiracy theories. The next thing they will uncover is a secret physical trainer network spreading exercises and selling vitamin C in dark alleys!
Does Peter knight know he’s talking about people that have the data and facts?, or does he not deal in the truth.
Bodily and personal autonomy are critical for a viable Constitutional democracy.
I understand these establishment types who go from the Ivory Tower to academia to agencies, to industry, and back to corrupt industry owned agencies....They ultimately have no values, they are gutless jellyfish! They are owned by those they are in a "relationship" with as well as their LinkedIn connections. Constantly tutored to be "positive", they would never take a stand for the truth unless it became the social custom of those "above" them.
Man, these people are weird.
Lightweight and careless, when it comes to the brain deparment.
There is a little problem. Many conspiracy theories over the last 3 years ended up being the truth. So there were conspirators and they were ultimately exposed. Among the group of people belonging to the unwellness to communism pipeline there is the bad habit of not discussing ideas on their merits: they are dogmatic fellas who immediately libel anyone who has a different opinion with no vax (I regret my 3 Pfizer BioNTech jabs but I am not against vaccines), racism, denial, no climate, and other stupid definitions. Their empty head can’t sustain a debate.
“ Mind you, at the beginning of the article, James Ball discussed how personal trainers are the superspreaders of conspiracies. Have you ever seen an involuntarily celibate gym personal trainer?”
Not only should this debunk this James Ball once and for all and eternity,
it is hand down one of the funniest things EVERRRRR!
Thank you I was also laughing hard
I go to a fascist gym 4 times a week for cardiac rehab, and was targeted by my treadmill machine attempting to get me to increase my monthly membership to the Black Card level for $29.00 dollars.
My first thought if I do this I might "Endanger my Democracy", especially with the rising inflation and cost of living by the Biden Administration.
Just stay well away from the celibate Personal Trainers
Most indubitability!
Ministry: if your personal trainer is celibate, it's almost certainly *voluntary*, so he's practicing Bramcharya. That might be worth looking into!
ShiYen
it amazes me idiots are paid to write this rubbish. wild speculation about peoples' psychology, reasoning etc. w/o any data or expertise go make them believable. if you engaged in similar talk directed to say, blacks or jews or whatever, they would be accused of bigotry, stereotyping. it is just biased random association of ideas to fit a prearranged narrative. and they think they are soooo smart and sophisticated. they are drones for the system.
100%
Brilliant Igor. I've noted something. If you investigate conspiracy theories with a view to debunking them & you happen to find one that you cannot debunk, one that has merit & is backed by the evidence, sometimes even scientific, peer-reviewed evidence, & is clearly be lied about everywhere else, well, that's it for you... You are no longer a debunking investigator of conspiracy theories. As soon as you find even ONE that you cannot debunk, you have instead become a conspiracy theorist.
The only people that the media claims are experts on conspiracy theories are those who debunk them. There are never any experts on conspiracy theories who SUPPORT them.
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And the debunkers are the biggest liars
I do hope that you are not a Flatter. But the point is that some conspiracy theories are terribly weak, Flat Earth being the prime example imo. Sorry to any readers who buy FE, I most certainly do not.
I agree however, Igor, that these so-called official conspiracy theory "experts" are predominantly deceivers, paid shills for the establishment, most of them. I agree 100%.
The globe theory is lacking in evidence.
Lol You're welcome to your thesis but actually the fact that Australia has summer while the UK has winter & vice-versa is evidence of a round planet. The fact that Australia has daylight while the UK is in night, is evidence of a round planet. Basic, simple, observable science says the planet it not flat.
Although I feel the thesis is too weak to spend time on, I don't have anything against those who do. Folks who believe in flat earth have taken their distrust in authority to a level I have not yet reached. That's all.
But it's my opinion that FE was established partly to help people who don't trust authority look silly. I'm often posting about conspiracy theories such as 9/11 etc & I get accused of being a Flatter as well. It's all part of the plan to make conspiracy theories appear stupid to those of us who do not believe in them.
You're welcome to your belief in flat earth, I'm just not agreed at this stage.
The fact that Australian fires exist, is evidence of climate warming, in your logick. Doesn't work like that.
Basic, simple, observable science says the planet is definitely not what Rockefeller and NASA claims it is.
"It's all part of the plan to make conspiracy theories appear stupid to those of us who do not believe in them."
The age old "Sound of Freedom" is qanon argument. Doesn't work.
Your first line is strawman - attempt to ridicule.
Your second line - most simple FE arguments play on people's lack of basic physics knowledge.
AN may have mis-written that line. In my opinion FE is a psy-op, indeed to ridicule.
Occum's razor
1. Most likely the stupidest piece I've read from the Guardian or anyplace else.
2. At his heresy trial (I think) Galileo said: “I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.”
3. Oh, and f**k you James Ball. The truth is exactly the opposite of which you spew.
J Michael: "The stupidest piece...from the Guardian"
Brother: have faith -- they've done, and will do, stupider.
(Edit: you should really look into the story of Galileo -- it's not really what you think it is, or at least what I'm inferring what you think from that quotation. The church was never anti-science, as such, and a lot of what we call science, eg Evolution... is not)
ShiYen
Evolution most indubitably is science. But yes, the Church frequently sponsored scientific development. It is rather limited to take the cases of Bruno and Galileo and present them as superstitious lunatics.
Wotan: Evolution is certainly science-adjacent! There's a guy at Michigan State that's been tracking bacterial 'evolution' for a few decades, and he's certainly observed adaptation. Of course, I observe that every time I lift weights.
Science is supposed to be about using *controlled* experiments to discern truth from superstition. Unfortunately, we can't do such experiments, and the closest we've come -- dogs -- hasn't lead to Gorgons or Minotaurs.
Well... evolution does *seem* to satisfy Occam's Razor more completely than competing theories -- that is, until one looks at the statistics of dna strands or the complexity of systems... then it actually seems *worse* than the completely non-scientific 'God Hypothesis'
ShiYen
If you are referring to Richard Lenski, then yes. That is one of innumerable examples. You lifting weights would only be an adaptation in the Lamarckian paradigm.
Science does involve the performance of controlled experiments, as much as it involves the observation of the natural world. As for dogs, I would observe that variation over brief generational intervals of time tends to be conservative in an evolutionary sense. There ought to be no reason for Gorgons or Minotaurs to develop from dog genetics, barring environmental conditions which advantage them.
I know not what you are describing by "statistics of DNA strands" or the "complexity of systems", but since, dissimilarly to the "God Hypothesis", evolution has been observed occurring in nature, in everything from peppered moths to antibiotic-resistant bacteria, I would adjudge it capably verified by over 150 years of science.
I should also lastly point out, ShiYen, that scientific verification of hypotheses is not necessarily experimental. Consultations of the fossil record and genetic material for a truly staggering proportion of our modern extant species have revealed perfect consistency with evolution.
Wotan: Well-written comment. Thank you. And: I was being glib with the 'working-out' comment.
I come from a 'hard' physics/engineering background -- hard meaning rigorous, and not, necessarily, difficult. For every result I've ever published... I could bring you into the lab and show you its reproduction to within statistical validity until you got too bored to keep watching.
Now, because of 'coronavirus', I was forced to look into how non-phys/eng disciplines approach their own subjects. And I was... bemused. It's an obvious point, but something that I had never thought about: I can run 1 million experiments a *day*... But doctors need six months to run *one* experiment. So the collection of statistics will always be incredibly suspect for doctors.
I think the crux of our discussion is:
>> scientific verification of hypotheses is not necessarily experimental
I would claim that it *is* experimental -- but that 'merely' puts us on two 'epistemic' planes. Unfortunately, the inability of physics to link 'epistemology' with reality (or 'ontology') is, probably, the advent of the extreme relativism of our society.
Sadly, the internet is a horrific medium for rational conversation. Were we to spend an evening in a French bar, we'd probably emerge with a better understanding of where each of us is coming from. You know, as long as we turned of(f) our cell-phones.
ShiYen
I used to say (sarcastically of course) "everyone knows the forbidden fruit is gray". I wasn't aware of this quote at the time.
Wow, we are like a bunch of little Galileos :-)
I think I have an "exclusive" ... Sailors on aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt had Covid before first “confirmed” case in America. Also, the IFR for outbreaks on 3 naval vessels is 4X lower than influenza. Key take-aways from strangely-ignored antibody study ...
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/exclusive-first-confirmed-cases-in?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
Apparently Q only talks to Leftists. I’ve never met a QAnon follower. No conservative has ever expounded QAnon beliefs to me. But I hear about QAnon from Leftist constantly. And why do the Leftist, who behave exactly like Fascists (for example, supporting censorship and state control thru corporations) always call belief systems and people they don’t like Fascists?
My Left-leaning friend once made a comment about the Boogaloo Boys. I was stumped! What does a 1970s disco band have to do with right-wing politics?
I am not even sure what QAnon actually is (I never looked into that closely).
But it seems to be a narrative to tarnish people asking, why two most important clients of Jeffrey Epstein are two men named Bill
Cianons created qanon to fistract same with conspiracy theorist after jfk died.
There is q which was a 4chan 8kun message dead drop. And anons. But no qanon. That was the cianon label.
Q asked a lot of socratic questions. I surmise they were military intel or was dead dropping info as part of a deadman switch.
Q would sometimes predict the future like mention epstein before people were aware of epstein.
They r also likely the dpe q clearance level people. Aka ufo disclpsure military insiders who want full or limited disclosure.
So theh needed americans tonunite behind donald to fight the pedo qabal.
Transgender means they either chickened oout or died.
Well, as I understand it, QAnon’s basic theory is that the world is being run by a cabal or pedophiles. The theory seems far-fetched, but given the information that has come to light from Epstein, Maxwell, Prince Andrew, Hunter’s laptop and Joe Biden’s affinity for man-handling and sniffing young females in his vicinity, maybe there is a kernel of truth in that commentary. OTH QAnon sure seems like a distraction / disinformation operation. Leftist ‘know’ that conservative believe in QAnon. But conservatives have never heard of him or them.
Occam's razor. More likely the world is being run by a cabal, some of who's members are pedophile. Example: Joe Biden is running the USA (in theory), is part of a criminal cabal (the Biden family), and is attracted to adolescent females (claimed by Hunter).
Well, you have a point. Maybe it was just the Bidens, and the Clintons and Anthony Weiner, and…Hey, where is Epstein’s client list? It was around here somewhere.
Santini: The world is quite clearly being run by homos/pedos, or at least "homos/pedos". To run a cartel, you need 'dirt' on your members, and this 'dirt' consists of shocking information -- in the old days homo, and nowadays pedo.
This mirrors MS13, which require higher members to kill an innocent in broad daylight, so that they know that they're going to jail for life if they rat.
Our government/media/finance is simply a cartel. See "The Creature from Jekyll Island" -- G Edward Griffin -- for a clear exposition of this.
ShiYen
This made me chuckle. Poor deluded people really believe this BS! 😂. What next?
😅 Wow, the guardian sounds desperate. The guardian article is full of conspiracy theories. The next thing they will uncover is a secret physical trainer network spreading exercises and selling vitamin C in dark alleys!
Striving to be healthy is VERY unhealthy! Stop it! --Anthony Fauci
Eat zee bugz -- klaus slob
Taken a certain way this kind of becomes delightful satire... honestly, the world we live in is a bit nuts. Might as well laugh when we can 😊