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Shelagh Young's avatar

I'm not a medical professional, but suggest you look into Nattokinase as well.

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denise ward's avatar

I'm sorry to have to say this but why are you playing along? Let the conversation be over if that's the way she wants it, you can't force her to converse. That is a cudgel they hold over our head - now they want us to pretend this whole charade is true so that they don't feel like idiots for having failed the IQ test. Going along with them is essentially handing the game to them meaning the game continues. They need to be faced with the truth whatever the consequences. It is very dangerous to coddle this psychosis. Please find a way to tell her the truth.

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Lucy's avatar

I have told her that the whole thing was a scam. A couple of days ago I told her that the shots were hurting people. She has finally realized that the only people who keep getting Covid are vaccinated. It looks like she’s beginning to realize the truth. I’m sure it’s hard for her to admit that she got tricked. I’m going slow on purpose so she doesn’t shot down 🙏

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Dani Richards's avatar

I'm right there with you. Family members whom I love dearly who were absolutely duped by this to the point where they cursed at me for endangering them due to my falling for those idiotic conspiracy theories -- they are unwell! I love them dearly. There is nothing heroic in trying to get your loved ones through this even if they heap abuse on you. These are my kids. My sister. My parents. This comes naturally. It's heartbreaking and obviously if we are going to lose them early, every moment we spend with them counts. It's so awful.

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denise ward's avatar

It's unimaginably awful but you see this is somehow coming back to us because our culture doesn't like to upset people when we show them they are mistaken. It's like it's a personal slur. In reality if you're that stupid you're going to be taken out of the gene pool. It's that simple. It's amazing this is how it's turning out. By us trying to coddle their denial of the truth we are actually allowing ignorance to prevail. And why? Because they are pressuring us to think of their feelings, even above the welfare of humanity. Falling for covid had very far reaching consequences. It was a test. Now what we have to do is stop coddling them, they have to come to reality or those that make it through this episode will probably fall for the next. It doesn't stop here. Telling them the truth and insisting on it unless they have a better answer, the truth must prevail. They can handle it, why don't we have more faith in them. It is an act of love to tell the truth to those we love, we have no ethical obligation to tell the truth to everyone but to those we love, we could be stopping them from an even worse fate. They cannot sniff where the landmines are, they need to learn. And let's get on with helping them heal now. But we must never let them think that they didn't make a most monumental mistake that threatened not just their life, but everybody else's as well. They must remember it well so they don't do it again. Knowledge is what keeps us safe.

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aj's avatar

it's not our culture, it's human nature

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Shelagh Young's avatar

Basic human nature yes, but haven't we learned anything since .... it's hard to cite a favourable transitional time, but, let's say the 15th century?

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Markker's avatar

My daughter told me she and best friends actually had a discussion beforehand. When she admitted to me she'd taken them after the disscussion, the decided it was for the greater good! So what you say about them making a monumental mistake that threatened everyones lives as well as their own is exactly the same Orwellian speak used on them if they didn't take them!

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Duchess's avatar

This is what I cannot get over....the belief that you took the vaccine to protect other people.....it makes no sense. If it was really a vaccine, you wouldn't worry about other people if they chose to get it or not...if they chose not, they would die from Covid, right? You take a vaccine to protect YOURSELF..from polio, smallpox, etc (if you beleive in Vaccines) and they said it was effective and safe for all the people pregnant old, children etc etc. etc. that they never tested it on? VAccines have an always will be an individual benefit...I cannot see where it can ever be a society benefit... Dr. Chatty notwithstanding.

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Demonhype's avatar

Yes, but their "protect others" wasn't about those who chose not to but the immune compromised and those otherwise medically unable to take them.

You know, the very people who would then be forced to take them anyway and have their exemptions denied out of hand.

Typical convo of the time:

Them: You have to take your shots to protect the immune compromised who are unable to take them! Its not about protecting the selfish but about protecting those at risk!

Me: But I know several immune compromised or at risk people who are still being forced to take the shots despite their medical status!

Them: But of course they are,stupid! It is even more crucial for the immune compromised and at risk to take the shots!

Me: But you just said I need to be forced to take the shots to protect them because they literally can't take them.

Them: Yes, that is how science works!

Me: I'm pretty sure that isn't how science or basic logic works.

Them: (pointing accusingly) Science denier!!! Hisssss!

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Markker's avatar

Exccept now I know it is all a lie, but yes, it beggars belief that anyone who had faith in them would be concerned about anyone who didn't. Then when they came out to say it didn't prevent infection but prevented serious matters, same logic applies. Conclusion: - majority are stupid sheep!

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Shelagh Young's avatar

Thank you. Truthful, agonizing words. Can't know exactly what you mean, but close enough. We think we are helping, applying lived experience and context, and are met with vitriol. No one wants to be wrong.

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aj's avatar

if she is accepting of "it was the covid", you could maybe point her to the long covid or post covid protocols. Ivermectin dissolves spikes and prions. Nattokinase stops microclotting. I had covid last August, and use the protocols, and I believe they help tremendously.

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Lucy's avatar

Thank you 🙏

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Markker's avatar

Denisrancourt.ca has lots of info on his site. A suggested book reading list too which I think is helpful to understand that what is happening now has been going on ad infinitum and we were all fooled then, e.g. two examples, Polio, HIV. All my family took them, I'm heartbroken to be honest. Accused of being a CT, and delusional by my daughter who suggested I needed some happy pills! So subject is off limits now.

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Lucy's avatar

Shut down *

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denise ward's avatar

Well kudos for getting it to her anyway you can. That is actually an act of love because she may fall for the next thing and the next if she gets to live. It's a shame we have to go through this but it is imperative that we live in a world where people can speak their truth. And if anyone disagrees they can speak their disagreement. And so it goes. But playing the charade has serious and even hideous consequences.

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Lucy's avatar

🙏 Thank you

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Markker's avatar

only 1 'n' in name. I just loaded it, no problem. I'm from UK.

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Unagnu's avatar

Natto, Serepeptides, Wobenzyme, NAC, Black Seed Oil (almost as good as IVM in many ways), Methylene Blue (1 or 2 drops) to assist cellular energy mitochondria in the brain cells/neurological system https://nootropicsexpert.com/methylene-blue/ ...

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Shelagh Young's avatar

Nigella Sativa oil (black Seed Oil) comes up often these days... It's a (delicious, used judiciously...) panacea. Compliments avocados, also good brain food. With chunky sea salt and ACV. Food is more interesting than pills, but will look up the Blue stuff. Thanks!

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