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JuliBigli's avatar

The workers who folded because they were threatened should also sue and get damages - I feel for them too

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Jennifer Depew, R.D.'s avatar

From what I read it was really important not to comply with an illegal directive, otherwise you don't have as strong a legal claim, unless you really were force jabbed, it was your "choice" to comply.

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Tam Hunt's avatar

There are degrees of coercion. Since most people with government jobs during a major economic slowdown have few prospects for new or better jobs it amounts to a serious level of coercion to require people to get jabbed or lose their jobs if they don't.

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Jennifer Depew, R.D.'s avatar

Yes, agree. It was coercion and it is sad that people complied because they had to or risk no money for their families.

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Anna Karenina's avatar

What’s really sad is that on the “land of the free” where there are supposed to be “checks and balances” the Judiciary branch did not publicly come out and put the Executive branch on blast for the obvious breach of the Constitution. This should tell all peasants what they REALLY need to know.

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Me Mcc's avatar

Agreed!! I can't tellyou the number of times I contacted Reps. who gave platitudes. They have been focused on this election and making the other side look as bad as they could look. Trouble is the constituents are not going back in always because of this. An example is our Rep. In MS who lost his position. There are consequence for allowing things to just happen for political purposes. We are NOT forgetting.

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The Word Herder's avatar

Wot, you mean it's all a big load of bullshit?

^_^

Yeah. Time we got that clarified, eh?

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Me Mcc's avatar

Sigh

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HardeeHo's avatar

The court delays harmed a lot of people. Seems Biden counts on those delays.

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The Word Herder's avatar

Any attorney worth one grain of salt is going to talk about a pandemic and children having to starve without their parent being able to work. How many hundreds of thousands of new homeless were created since 2020 and 2021?

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Jennifer Depew, R.D.'s avatar

Hopefully the suppression of legality will be stopped. My point was more that it will be fought.

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The Word Herder's avatar

Yes, I was just continuing off your thought.

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The Word Herder's avatar

I'm not sure you're really seeing what's been going on for the past, ohhhh 70 years.

But at LEAST the past three years... Try Event 201. But there WILL BE a million or a few BILLION pending cases... This Covid thing is UNPRECEDENTED. When have we ever before seen a hoax in this degree of magnitude? Um, NEVER. Sure vaccines have been mandated for kids for years now, and nobody has yet forced it down because of the giant mafia we call Big Pharma.

I KNOW my logic holds water. This WAS something created by Covid. Maybe similar stuff has been going on for decades, and it has, but THIS. This is global GENOCIDE, straight-forwardly. These "vaccines" were designed by DARPA. That's the DOD. That's the US Govt. This is going to be the biggest freakin' thing EVER, in the history of the world as far as we know of it. Buckle up.

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Me Mcc's avatar

That's true...for a vaccine. These pricks are NOT a vaccine!!

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Joe Kosugi's avatar

Yes- jab or you and your family are homeless. A medical dictatorship, a bio security state. Terrorize the minions, then starve them if necessary.

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Me Mcc's avatar

You mistake them - Jab them AND starve them. Makes for less numbers wanting social security or to eat.

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Joe Kosugi's avatar

Well said. And patent the process so the elites get even richer.

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Me Mcc's avatar

Bugs anyone??

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Ray Alford's avatar

"FREEDOM!!!!!" Until death do we part!

Ray

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Ray Alford's avatar

Hahaa! I love it!

I had a great friend for years who would distort the word, "exactly" to come out, "isackly". lol

So funny!! I wasn't amused back then, but now I find it hilarious! And often wonder if it was purposeful on his part, just being funny without admitting to it.

BTW, your handle is GREAT! You're a shepherd! (of sorts) And no doubt a FUNNY guy!

ray

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The Word Herder's avatar

^_^

Well, I'm generally okay with "dude," but... I'm a real BITCH about "guy."

Woof!

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Glory's avatar

Yes, triple damages would have been nice. Though, like awards against police, it’s the taxpayers who end up paying.

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Me Mcc's avatar

I'd rather the money go to someone that needs it rather than another country that doesn't even know where the money or extra munitions are heading!! America First!!

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Me Mcc's avatar

Right!! He disgusts me. Soul sellers!!

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Joe Kosugi's avatar

Like the federal vaccine injury compensation program-VICP. They shifted liability from the pharmaceutical companies to the taxpayer. My father’s friend, a lawyer, told me when they established VICP: “ A FEDERAL compensation fund- that means a fund that doesn’tcompensate.”

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The Word Herder's avatar

You guys really can't get beyond the "normal" thing we've had!

THIS IS A WHOLE NUTHER DEAL, peeps. When was the last time you can recall a GLOBAL GENOCIDE? Now just think. This is unprecedented MASS MURDER, into the future, even. We're gonna be dealing with the legal stuff either for years and years and years, OR there's gonna be a huge blanket compensation for everyone, from the wealth of these freakin maggots that did this.

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The Word Herder's avatar

And PLUS, everybody on EARTH is going to be jumping around... This has affected EVERYONE.

Now, I AM getting a bit ahead of this here... This is only compensation for coercion. But I'm saying, it's the beginning of setting all this Covid EVIL on fiyah. Ring that fire bell, dog!

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The Word Herder's avatar

So, that needs changed.

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The Word Herder's avatar

I think it CAN change. Why not?

If the system is broken, we fix it. Not just keep it and continue to punish those who manage to make "bad decisions."

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Robyn S's avatar

Exactly. All those 'taxpayers' who did nothing; they just complied, willingly or unwillingly. Their tax dollars will pay for the compensation - instead of going to schools, or fixing roads or whatever it is these days that govts are supposed to do for their citizens.

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The Word Herder's avatar

I think the SCOPE of what is going on will enable things to go a bit further than tax payers footing the bill...

Not sure everyone is really understanding what is happening here... A tiny little group of Horrifically Wealthy (by doing very little in the way of benefiting anyone but themselves) who own 90% of the world's wealth, inherited most of it, and who are truly the "useless eaters" they are trying to kill off, control, and torture... This is the most outrageous and murderous attack on Humanity EVER SEEN.

This is going to override ANY previous case, ANY previous crime, ANY previous tyrannical regime... This is a Whole Nuther Thing we've never been through before, a crime like NO OTHER in the history of the world.

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Kim D's avatar

In one of the most blue states and cities in the country, Santa F,e NM my family member with a government job was able to work from home and submit to weekly tests without getting vaxxed. It was not an easy road but she did it and is now back in the office without having been vaxxed. It can be done and might be a matter of strenght of character and will. It's always been a choice.

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Joe Kosugi's avatar

But the weekly tests are ineffective tests made by biontech(Pfizer) that perpetuate the madness and make the overlords rich.

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JS's avatar

"Choice" under the compulsion of having all your liberties taken from you is not "choice". "Choice" under credible threats of violence towards the "unvaxxed" is not "choice".

No amount of semantics can change the fact that coercion was employed to force people to be injected. Given these "choices" were made under duress, I would say those forced to be "vaxxed" have a very strong legal claim indeed.

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TRM's avatar

They are NOT allowed to use force, fraud, deceit, duress, containment or coercion to get people into a medical experiment. Five out of six were violated. Only forced injection was not done. I still think those that took it have a case.

In Austria they were going to do the "Full Monty" and forcibly inject people. That is when the gloves came off and anyone who favoured it was followed home. Doctors, cops, politicians and others advocating it were targeted. Doxxed and harassed to the point where one lady doctor killed herself. I feel no sympathy for her. You advocate war crimes you deserve it.

So they now know that most people will get violent on forced injections. People are too patient. I won't participate in or tolerate any of the six items. War crimes are war crimes, no exceptions. Luckily I was able to find work arounds for every thing they threw at me so I didn't get to the end of my rope.

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Me Mcc's avatar

Many were willing to compromise their beliefs for the jobs. I'd never value a job over my life or the lives of my family! I agree - NO EXCEPTIONS. No slaps on the hand and assigning them to a nice cushy job in government, like they did with many scientists after WW2.

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The Word Herder's avatar

You're getting the victims and perpetrators mixed up.

Nobody compromised their "beliefs" for a job. They were COERCED into taking an invasive medical procedure that was not proven safe, or lose their jobs. NOTHING like what scientists did to people who were imprisoned and forced to be experimented on... the scientists were the Bad Guys. The workers were like the prisoners.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Agree. But at the same time they should also take some responsibility and learn.

Whether they were coerced or not it was a mistake.

If more would've banded together then the mandates would've been unenforceable.

There's a lesson in there. At least that's how I'd view it if I had fallen victim.

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The Word Herder's avatar

Glad you got some work.

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Jennifer Depew, R.D.'s avatar

Yes we need a real Nuremburg 2. Coerced jabs with gene therapy really is a little like rape. The losing your job or else threat made it into casting couch rape.

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TRM's avatar

It is NOT "a little like rape", it IS rape.

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The Word Herder's avatar

No, it's NOT rape. Rape is rape. Coercion to force an invasive medical procedure, not properly tested, that is clearly KILLING people, MAIMING people, that is not rape, it's potential harm, and possible DEATH due to coercion.

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John's avatar

It is poison not a medical procedure. Calling it a medical procedure is like giving these entities a huge advantage in any legal case. Who exactly is doing the rape if you are involved in tricking people into thinking it is "medicine"?

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Joe Kosugi's avatar

It’s the patriarchy!

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Me Mcc's avatar

Absolutely true!! Nuremburg #2 is definitely in order. Only trouble is that people like Pfizer's ceo don't show up when they are subpoenaed. He sends a minion in his place - he's too lofty to bow before a committee. He needs to be JAILED for failure to comply.

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Tamenund's avatar

Not to nitpick, but Bourla wasn't actually subpoenaed.

In any event, the minion's statement to Roos did far more damage to Pfizer than Bourla probably would have done had he shown up and said next to nothing.

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Me Mcc's avatar

You are right. Made more questions than gave answers.

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aj's avatar

first a court has to agree to hear it. The ICC would not hear Reiner Fuellmich's, prepared by a thousand attorneys and experts.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

The ICC is worthless...they bow to the WEF.

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Me Mcc's avatar

I fear that if they don't do what's right, it will cause much bigger issues nation-wide.

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JS's avatar

Good analogy!

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Joe Kosugi's avatar

Yes, The Patriarchy!

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The Word Herder's avatar

No, it's like someone saying, take an experimental shot into your body that hasn't been properly tested and should never be mandated and could possibly KILL you, or maim you, or make you infertile. It's a Leeeeetle bit more insidious than demanding sex for a chance at stardom. Let's think about magnitude here.

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Glory's avatar

Let’s not try to compare atrocities, ok? It’s all horrendous and should be illegal.

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Joe Kosugi's avatar

Yes! Semantics are a big tool of the authoritarians game. Without “ for the greater good”, “protect grandma”, “your shot keeps the community safe”, they are left staring at the pure naked horror of their own authoritarianism, and their utter lack of study of vaccines in general, and these mRNA time bombs in particular. The authoritarians simply watched and believed too much TV, which was all CDC press releases. But to make their ignorance feel intelligent they parrot the “ safe and effective “ catch phases. When the word “ boob” meant ‘stupid’ we called TV ‘ ‘ the boob tube’. That was back in the 60’s and seventies when americans hadn’t yet fallen totally asleep, and huge corporations (back then oil, tobacco and autos) were openly mocked in media and in universities. Now our so called ‘progressives’ bow to big pharmaceutical, big tech, bill gates and the elites.Most are simply too plugged in to The Matrix to even realize it.

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jacquelyn sauriol's avatar

It also makes sense as a boob tube aka the babies fake milk bottle....indeed, I thought thats what my Mom meant when she would come home from work and find us all watching the boob tube, slam the off button angrily and make us disperse. It's really too big of an attractant for the youth, the brain waves caused are the same is levels of sleep. I don't think we really have any idea how much it affects us to watch screens, at least most of us don't. I didn't until I stopped with TV, but am still quite suceptable to all this screen time. (I do it for a living as well). I might draw some distinction as to what is actually on the screen, not all content is made to sell you something harmful. I am on screen about 10 hours a day all in all, which is ridiculous. But again, my work involves it. I could cut out substack but...

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Joe Kosugi's avatar

Nice. What you say about the boob tube being a substitute milk bottle is spot on; frankly it makes more sense than what I said.

Thanks.

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Me Mcc's avatar

Eh... stay awhile, lol.

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Me Mcc's avatar

They understood - or didn't try to understand at all - whatever Fauci and Birx and Collins told them (which was NWO crap). Let's not absolve ANY of the media that went along with this travesty of safety and effectiveness!! I violently invite those who were "in charge" to go have relations with themselves and introduce all types of torture mechanisms. That might satisfy their need for torture, much of which they inflicted on our elderly, immunocompromised and plain old everyday people. UNDER the jail is too good. People need to wake the heck up or they will certainly be flucked because this isn't over yet. Gates, Soros and Schwab are really just getting started - along with Havari and the pharmaceutical companies.

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David Otness's avatar

"Harari"

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Joe Kosugi's avatar

Yes! Havarti is a danish cheese. Harari is an Israeli nutcake.

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The Word Herder's avatar

Plus they got paid to do it.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Correct.

Totalitarianism starts with the laws of grammar.

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jacquelyn sauriol's avatar

I am a JS too, thanks you spoke my thoughts better than I could.

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Ray Alford's avatar

BOY! HOWDY!!!

You nailed that righteously! I saw a tee shirt someone had made for sale that showed silhouettes of a half dozen different types of military-style assault weapons and the caption below them read:

"FREE CHOICE"

Sort of like "Gun control, means hitting your target"

Ray

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The Word Herder's avatar

Agreed.

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Malignant's avatar

This is how they let us go. Refusal to follow… our “choice”

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Me Mcc's avatar

The while thing about it, as I told my 18-year-old son who was contemplating the jabs... 1) do your research. I've sent you enough that you haven't opened to understand that even though you are really intellectually in the gifted range, you're an idiot. 2) If you are injured or dead, those lofty plans to be independent and travel the world will either find you with me taking care of you for the rest of a miserable life or you 6 feet under....all your choice. Two weeks later, he calls and says, "I've looked at certain information and I've decided to not ever get the jabs." Wise decision, son. Sometimes choices are both difficult and a b-iatch...but if there is life, there is at least hope and possibility. Stay strong!

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Ray Alford's avatar

Maybe they should be made to form a line, and at point blank offered a bullet to the chest, or a nice (hot) "safe and effective" jab of their making, eh? Hey, it's THEIR choice! And that's fair, right?

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TRM's avatar

Hence the vital importance of standing your ground regardless of the cost. I feel for those who took it to keep a paycheck and take care of their families but at some point you have to stand your ground or they will walk all over you and then throw you under the bus when you have adverse reactions.

In Australia a reporter asked the prime minister "What programs are you going to bring in for the vaccine injured?" and the reply was "We're not. You gave your informed consent".

If you "go along to get along even when you know it's wrong" you will be short term rewarded but medium/long term destroyed.

It's like someone in a parking lot pulling a gun and telling you to "get in the car". Dying there and then will be better than the torture they will put you through before they kill you.

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Malignant's avatar

I’m a Christian… which means all my heroes were burned alive, flayed alive, crucified and boiled in oil.…so they better bring their A game,

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Ray Alford's avatar

Yes, Brother! This whole kettle of wickedness in the end will prove to the UNIVERSE that sin is malignant to its very core, and that it has no place whatsoever in God's Kingdom. It will all be consumed with holy fire, leaving only those who honor the rule of LAW, found in God's Commandments. This we can be assured of by way of the Word. It's all in there for our reading. So unfortunately, there will be plenty of colateral damage, but the universe's inhabitants (God's other created beings) MUST be shown what sin will do if allowed to fester. And those who have been witness to it as such, will be "priests and ambassadors" to the fact for all to learn of this terrible infection by those who were there and saw it first hand, like we are seeing (in its early stages). Much more to come, brother. Stay in prayer.

Ray

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Never let them take you to a secondary location.

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Malignant's avatar

I was literally dropping a fresh meme batch… saw your post and have to meme it first, I’ll update this comment when it drops. Thanks!

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Years ago, I remember watching an interview with a security/terrorism expert.

He made that comment and it really stuck in my head.

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Malignant's avatar

https://westcoastjohn1978.substack.com/p/meme-drop

Dropped… added your meme. Enjoy the show!

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Ray Alford's avatar

Yeah, agreed! The poor Jews, Pole, Gypsie's, and a host of other "brown-eyed" "Vermin" as they were so viciously named, didn't fare all that well, now did they, post compliance.

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Kelly's avatar

There's just so much deception

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Marjorie Miller's avatar

Insert the word "jabbed" above, with "raped", and just about anything is your "choice". I believe the legal word would be coercion: persuasion using threats of life or livelihood.

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jacquelyn sauriol's avatar

So, suicided would be the word the insurers do use. A person didn't die naturally, they committed suicide willingly. No wonder they are pushing voluntary suicide in media, no wonder. I used to keep gerbils as a kid, (much against my moms prefences), (and wouldn't now but) now I know how the gerbils in the acrylic ball felt. Poor things. I am them now, sometimes feels like. Lessons.

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Joe Kosugi's avatar

I call suicide “ meeting the Clintons”.

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Ray Alford's avatar

Oh, wow! Talk about LOL!!! How appropriate! Sorry to inform you, Joe, but the Bible clearly states that "hell" will consume (burn completely up) those who are caught in it. And no one is there yet, because it is yet fired up by God. It will be sampled by those who are not removed from this world to a temp (1000 year visit) to Heaven, when Jesus comes to gather His "children." But the vast majority of those in the grave (the Clintons are not dead yet btw) will "sleep" or remain there until AFTER the 1000 years are expired. Check to see if that's true in Rev. But when all of heaven, including the saints return to earth, THAT'S when the wicked dead will be resurrected to face the punishment that the Judgement of their crimes has established. The Clintons, unless they repent will definitely be there! Same goes for everyone, actually. We must repent, and sin no more.

Ray

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Julia's avatar

They're supposed to offer a religious exemption. Nevertheless, it's all about compliance, whether an employee takes the shot or submits an exemption. A friend of mine with a big group of co-workers refused to take the shot and went to court right away. They didn't succeed (there is a second lawsuit, pending). Then they got denied religious exemptions as a punishment for suing. The city also offered some deal to the leader of the group and treated him differently to break apart the movement.

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Guidothekp's avatar

Any form of exemption is still a discrimination. The message is that we control you and we will allow some of you to escape the punishment because we feel so. When one talks of applying for exemptions, one starts from a position where one has accepted that one is inferior. At that point, it is game-over irrespective of whether the exemption is granted or not.

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GaryP's avatar

Any US company had only one legal option for a religious exemption.

Q: Do you apply for a religious exemption?

A: Yes

Reply: granted.

Anything else, any demand for a detailed explanation for the request was blatant religious discrimination. Appointing some person to sit in judgement of the detailed explanation is a horror that demands extremely high punitive damage payments from every executive, manager, and HR personal involved. Especially the legal staff!

Fellow 3M stockholders. We are screwed. The company mandatory online ethical behavior classes prove beyond any reasonable doubt they are guilty. They violated everything their own classes taught.

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Malignant's avatar

Offering one, then rejecting it are two different things..

And excuse my language but, fuck them. All of history has been people killing other people for their different religions. Why should my deeply held beliefs be in a database somewhere.

It would be naive to think there will never be a knock at your door, asking about your religious beliefs…

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Julia's avatar

Correct, there is also an issue of privacy. An employer can only ask for private info (medical or religious) that is relevant to performing the job. And people were performing the job just fine without the shot. Employer can say "we require the shot" but they can't ask whether employees took it! It's a loophole. This was my proposed strategy but it never got tested as the employer withdrew the requirement. Many private companies withdrew it after collecting personal info from people. Never mind!

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The Word Herder's avatar

The employer can ask this or that, but they can find out on the Internet!

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The Word Herder's avatar

"Do you believe in the JAB?"

BANG!

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The Word Herder's avatar

Why should ANYTHING of our private lives be in a database somewhere.

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Lisa@eatrealfood's avatar

Conscientious objection to give or receive experimental injections is a religious exemption.

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Jennifer Depew, R.D.'s avatar

These people are really good at divide and conquer - infiltrate and misdirect the original group goal is another tactic that is used.

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Joe Kosugi's avatar

Yes, their idea of a religious exemption is, “ take this shot and you can meet God firsthand. You’re exempt from being alive. And we’re exempt from liability and taxes”.

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aj's avatar

coercion is a violation of Nuremberg precepts; loss of your job if you do not participate in a medical experiment is coercion. This case decision was based solely on lack of authority to make such an order. The others should sue; as it is, the city must pay for all their medical care from here on out, as they mandated it for employment.

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John's avatar

It was not a medical experiment. These were weapons plane and simply. It is coersion from top to bottom including claims it is medicine. Where is the medicinal value?

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Me Mcc's avatar

Right!! Bioweapons used against their own people world-wide.

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Me Mcc's avatar

Great! Hopefully paytheir medicals AND pay for them a life insurance policy.

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Deb Hawthorne's avatar

It’s not choice when you are given the option to Lise your job or comply. In what reality is this really having a choice. Come on!! This is the most sick thing I’ve ever seen in my life!! Forcing people to put a poison in their body or not feed their kids! WTF

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Me Mcc's avatar

Yes - sort of like agreeing to take another job that usually has a lower pay when you are injured but you get your regular pay. NEVER agree to go lower.

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The Word Herder's avatar

Except when you have to feed your family and you saw no alternative...

That thing about complying with illegal directives was not written with a global genocide in mind... ALL arguments have conditions and mitigating circumstances!

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Rick Ratliff's avatar

The city the state and the country is broke. But your right they are all due damages even the jab Nazis like the ones that broke off family relationships because of their unjabbed family members.

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Joe Kosugi's avatar

Yes- the mandates are proven illegal, so anyone coerced or forced into vaxxing who was injured should be able to sue

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Jeff C's avatar

Contrary take but the workers who folded made it much tougher for those of us that did not fold. I'm not an NYC employee but was covered under the federal contractor mandate. The only reason the contractors plowed forward with this is that they knew most people would fold and they could get away with it.

I do feel sorry for those who folded and were injured, and hope for a speed recovery. But feeling sorry in general? No way. They took the past of least resistance rather than fight. Why should they be compensated unless they can show they were injured?

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David W Harris's avatar

"They violated my civil rights!!!" is a vague generality. You, and 300,000,000 others! Get in line!

But that point **should** be litigated.

Unfortunately, "Showing that you were injured by a PERFECTLY SAFE VACCINE" is still at this time a hard sell. Here again, we need a precedent-setting obvious case. That will pave the way for the "lesser" cases. Pray for a "pandemic" of these cases!

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The Word Herder's avatar

Anybody who knows a rowdy bunch of lawyers, go check out this excellent guy's excellent source material... It's fucking brilliant. A winnable case just from ONE Substacker's page...

https://coquindechien.substack.com/

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Julia's avatar

Yes, the employer should at least pay their medical bills.

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Glory's avatar

If the employer is the government, it’s the taxpayers who end up paying anyway.

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Julia's avatar

true

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Rachel Cheeney's avatar

But.... how many name-called and shammed non-vaxers? They (AND THERE'S A LOT OF THEM) should get NOTHING!

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The Word Herder's avatar

I disagree.

Who is responsible for this genocide and global upheaval?

The psychopaths behind the curtain, the "Venetians," the Oligarchy behind the Oligarchy... Most people have never even heard of the "City of London" or the "black nobility"...

They have 90% of the world's wealth. THEY are to blame and THEY should be stripped of ALL their financial assets and that should be dispersed throughout the world. All loans forgiven, everyone starts over, fresh. Good, huh? We were ALL bamboozled. I say ONLY the instigators and collaborators should be punished. There's enough for everyone else.

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John's avatar

Most everyone were instigators and collaborators. Punishment is of little concern when there is the far more pressing issue of stopping further atrocities. These are atrocities caused by the 'germ theory' and you are blaming another germ "the Venetians". It was not the "venetians" but a result of Big Public eating burgers and pizza whilst ignoring the widely known health knowledge like to eat healthy and to get out in the sun. They sat infront of the tv watching fictional movies about "pandemics" instead of making a salad and creating a bright future.

Tom Cowen says the real obstacle is controlled opposition in the 'freedom community': https://odysee.com/@WakeUpMirror:3/ckbcmo:1

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The Word Herder's avatar

Look, you are free to have your opinion. I like Tom Cowan, too.

But since you have no idea who the Venetians ARE, obviously, and since you're blaming the PUBLIC who are long-term victims of the pathological entities that have ruled this country from the beginning, YES, those people behind the curtain, the "City of London" or the Oligarchy behind the Oligarchy, or THE VENETIANS, sorry if you haven't heard of them, neither had I until early this year...

Burgers and Pizza USED to be decent food until the filthy rich took over our food supply/farms. Yes, the People are mesmerized, they're brainwashed, they're deluded. Did they CHOOSE to be? Uh, no, I don't think so.

I don't blame the VICTIMS of a crime that began centuries ago, and more specifically, in this country, decades ago.

OF COURSE there is controlled opposition in the freedom community... OF COURSE!!!!

That doesn't mean you BLAME THE VICTIMS.

I think some punishment is GOOD, and why can't we have that AND stop further atrocities? We have to wait?

Germ theory doesn't CAUSE anything. People cause things. You might do some research about the Venetians, the "Black Nobility," the "City of London" before you snark about it.

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Rachel Cheeney's avatar

I see no disagreement with your comments all; not mutually exclusive.

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I was disagreeing with your comment, the part about how some people should get nothing because they, and I paraphrase, fell for the hoax. Already you're dividing the victims into greater and lesser. Just sayin.

Everyone got screwed, in my view. What now, we start arguing about who was MORE hurt? shit

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I agree with you on this. Many suffer from "decency bias" and also, cannot conceive of this level of deceit. No, let's not divide victims.

But we should acknowledge the sacrifice of those workers in NYC who hung on by their fingernails and fought this legally. They did us a massive service, and I say this as an unvaxxed NYC private sector employee/biz owner who was pushed out by mandates. I have relocated elsewhere and begun again.

Perhaps you were in NYC too, and experienced the vaccine push in NYC which was massive, all pervasive, intense and frankly frightening. But yes, all people were lied to, manipulated...psychologically abused. I don't hold with being vindictive to those who "fell for the hoax" we need everyone.

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No, not a NY'er, me. I live in Western WA, woke-ville BIG TIME. I'm a pariah, haven't been able to get work, not much anyway, unless I want a really horrible, lousy, grind of job for very scant wages, which I don't. I've been scraping along, with a little help from a friend who was a total stranger before a few months back, who I connected with on SS!!!

I agree those NY'ers did a GOOD THING, taking it to court, yes indeed. And I think we've had, and still have, PLENTY ENOUGH Divide and Conquer, without doing to to each other!!

Thanks for your good words, and xo.

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Rachel Cheeney's avatar

I see my words taken literally, I get that, I was making a larger point that there was irrevocable harm done by them as well. Mean people can be "victims", too.

It's a philosophical 2 cents

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The Word Herder's avatar

Okay. Glad you explained it, because that wasn't clear.

I'm not holding any grudges. xo

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SteelJ's avatar

In my state you only get damages if you can demonstrate harm. Most states are likely the same. Most of the jabbed seem OK. Those visibly harmed must prove it was the jab, easier said than done.

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Harm doesn't have to be just something physical.

The whole world, HUMANITY ITSELF, has been harmed.

And speaking as one who knows, the legal system is anything but "just" a great deal of the time. It's another example of a system set up by the rich, and for the rich. I can't even USE it without money to get IN IT.

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Lysias's avatar

State and federal RICO statutes provide for treble damages!

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J Wolfmoon's avatar

Indeed!!! They really should sue.

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Lysias's avatar

State and federal RICO statutes provide for treble damages!

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Zade's avatar

The workers who folded and vaccine injured... Now THEY ought to get back wages and damages.

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David W Harris's avatar

They should get LIFE-LONG damages!

ONE DOWN, AND 49 TO GO!! Pray for a "pandemic" of these cases! (And Fauci should be named as a defendant.) It now becomes more difficult to fight a precedent, so expect this one to be appealed all of the way up to SCOTUS.

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This goes WAY beyond the US, even if the US was the pot in which the frogs boiled.

But I can't believe we're starting to fight, ALREADY, about whether some of us should be compensated and NOT others, because they were TRICKED. daaaaaaaamn

Have we learned NOTHING? sad.

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Lucy's avatar

Canada is a banana republic. We dont have courts here just laundromats for our politicians. Im thrilled for the NY workers and kudos to your courts.

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BRaa's avatar

It is changing. Alberta is leading the way. Imagine I left to be somewhere that respected freedom for all.... namely BC. Time to go home?

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Lucy's avatar

I hope Smith stands her ground. We'll see.

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Abhijit Bakshi's avatar

My family will be leaving BC for Alberta. Even if Smith folds, we will add a few more voters to try to push in the right direction. BC wants to join San Francisco, Portland, and Seattle in burning itself to the ground and salting the earth, or so it would seem.

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Rachel Cheeney's avatar

Must cleanse #wefled #Trudeau and his cronies, if any serious change is to come. Regardless of the country.

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And as someone who lived in CA, and who now lives in WA, it's not just three cities, it's THREE STATES, with complicit govt's in all three, and PLENTY of zombies who used to be democrats (now read "fascists") toeing the line for genocide, even for children, for BABIES... The Covid Genocide is going to change, not just the legal systems, but EVERYTHING.

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I am very happy to hear this, and like you, sorry for those who unwillingly took the shot. However, I know that there are many in other jobs who just said NO and dealt with the cost. Many, many, many in health care have lost their jobs due to not taking it. Hospitals are shown as being "short staffed" and "no beds available." Guess why? They fired all the unjabbed. I have 6 good friends who all lost their jobs. 2 are single moms doing everything they can to make ends meet. 1 of those single moms has a vaccine injured son who was fine until his MMR shot at 18 months gave him autism. Another person I know works for Amtrak. He was bullied and bullied because he wouldn't take the shot. He was ready to lose his job. Once he wasn't required to take it to keep his job he is still getting bullied-by those who are mad because they took it and didn't want to. I just pray for healing for all those who took it under duress. Sadly, I am afraid we have not seen the end of having to make decisions such as these.

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Tamenund's avatar

I believe time heals all wounds but I think in this case it's going to take a disconnection from pre-jab co-workers.

When the Amtrak worker ends up in another company or in another part of Amtrak after the subject of the jab is past, things will get back to normal.

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The Word Herder's avatar

We will see the end of this WHEN WE STOP COMPLYING. Of course, the more, the better.

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Malignant's avatar

The battle still rages. I’m out of work a year now, wife kicked out of nursing school.

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Igor Chudov's avatar

I AM SO SORRY.

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Malignant's avatar

Now I’m malignant. I’m enjoying my new role, however small, fighting these bastards.

Battles rage behind the scenes as well.

We have lawyers.

In the meantime, we meme these bastards, make artwork, and come up with resistance ideas… all for free. Help us help humanity in the only way we can right now.

https://westcoastjohn1978.substack.com/p/meme-drop

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Bird's avatar

Encourage your wife to start making phone calls to other nursing programs. I've seen that hospitals are now allowing unvaccinated employees to work again. If she can't enroll this semester, she can at least get some books from the library and keep learning, making it easier when she starts again when they ease up.

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Rick Ratliff's avatar

Fight on

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Malignant's avatar

Molon Labe

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pat hollingworth's avatar

Am really sorry to hear this - stand firm and fight back against all this corruption

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But there are others out there who aren't asking now. Don't ask, don't tell, LOL. The former manager of the company I now work for made everyone get masked and jabbed. He lost the warehouse foreman of many years because the foreman refused masks and jabbing. Several months after this manager nearly ran the company into the ground, he quit and they wound up rehiring the warehouse guy because nothing ran smoothly after he quit.

They didn't even ask my hexx status when I was hired. I'm hoping I don't have to surprise them.

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Judith's avatar

Unfortunately I have seen the unwillingly vaccinated turn their anger on those who held out and won. The anger must always be directed toward the people who forced others to choose between a job and a medical procedure.

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Igor Chudov's avatar

100% -- and it is our job to talk to them about it -- a very important task we are having to explain to them that it was NOT the refusers fault.

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Sydney Seppo's avatar

I have a NPR listening, Nytimes reading SF Bay Area friend who replied when I ask him if he supported Kyrie Irving, "SO basically these people are asking me to take what they see as a big risk to get vaccinated so that they do not have to"

I think anything I say will fall on deaf ears.

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Jon Grah's avatar

Actually, if you see who owns these "private" employers or where they have a good chunk of their busimess comtracts with, you will see why many companies still push the narrative.

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Man-i's avatar

Im an unvaxxed doc in NJ and i have to say ive been viciously persecuted and i want vengeance. ! I want a public apology and monetary damages

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Igor Chudov's avatar

100%

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annaroo1021's avatar

Where r u. I need a new doc.

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Anon38901932047's avatar

I am curious which specific info or ideas guided your decision, as a doctor, to avoid these jabs. (Back in 2021, I still trusted the CDC/FDA not to subject us all to unacceptable levels of additional risk, which I now believe they have done.)

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I am 54 years old, I grew up in an observant jewish ( conservative jewish ) home. I went to an after gov school jewish education program for years like the Catholic CCD. In my family are engineers and teachers. I have a biochem and philo education . I had genocide survivors in my family as well as a cache of letters my grandmother saved from Polish jewish distant relatives who were all murdered. My family was always very suspicious of politics. I have conisdered myself a libertarian since I was in my late teens.

I know many people in fields like infectious disease and immunology .

THe covid virus before covid 19 was just a common cold virus. There has never been a successful vaccine against common cold viruses like covid or adeno or rhino or myxo or paramyxo virus. The influenza vaccine does not stop infection or spread, it only reduces the severity of the illness and it doesnt work very well.

There have been attempts to vaccinate animals used for food like chickens against avian flu viruses with mRNA tech and these have all failed ( see Mareks disease of chickens). This is all common knowlege to anyone with even a smidgen of basic medical education or basic knowledge of infectious disease and immunology.

Also there is the issue of anti bodies. BASIC immunology 101: there a different types of antibodies called " isotypes" There is IgG found in the blood , IgM in blood and IgA which is ONLY made and found in the nasal respiratory and in the gut mucosa ( the lining of the respiratory and digestive system)

An mRNA shot in the arm does not and cannot produce an IgA mucosal ( also called secretory IgA response) it simply cannot do this. The IgA is the antibody that is responsible for producing protection against infection and herd immunity.

So again BASIC immunology 101: an mRNA shot to a single specific genetically identical version of a spike protein from the original alpha wuhan strain will produce a blood IgG response which hopefully would reduce the chance of hostpitalization and severe disease. But there was no way this thing could "sterilize" ; meaning prevent infection , spread and transmission.

This was known and understood by anyone with 2 brain cells from the beginning.

Meanwhile it was obvious from May of 2020, that healthy adults under 40-50 years old were not at risk from severe disease. I had natural covid at the beginning of august of 2021. I had 10 days of fatigue , fever, some nausea, vomiting, I even passed out once. But I was never in any danger. I never had any trouble breathing and was never worried about ending up in the hosppital. When I was 22 and in medical school and actually came down with full blown influenza and I was much sicker back then , then I was in Aug of 21. And just to be clear, I am 54 years old but I am 5'8" , 155 and very fit. I am a lifelong long distance runner and road cyclist ... I was never in any danger.

Since I have training as a scientist and I have practiced clinical medicine in a PRIVATE practice since 1999. I read pharma materials with a critical eye. Everyone knows that pharma and medical device manufacturers tend to exaggerate the benefits of their new drugs and devices. Its up to US as patient advocates to determine when a particular intervention is the correct choice.

When the original mRNA vax study was released, they claimed it would be "95 percent effective." But this 95 percent number was to reduce the chance of severe disease NOT to prevent infection.

And if someone was NOT at risk for severe disease then the RELATIVE risk reduction one would ( i would ) hope to get from this mRNA shot was less than one percent.

By the time of the mandates in the Fall of 2021, I had already had natural infection . Natural infection is always and everywhere better than vax immunity. ( also BASIC BASIC immunology 101)., So these hospitals and govenrments were telling me I had to take a new incompletely tested EXPERIMENTAL medicine with no good long term safety data for a risk reduction of less than one percent. These lunatics were even advocating that young healthy adults and reproductive age women and PREGNANT women get it.

My jewish - fascist bullshit alarm meter went red and started blaring at full blast.

None of it made sense.. I caleld and wrote and spoke with so many people who I knew and trusted and all these people also agreed : It made no sense. But these people who understood the truth were censured or threatened.

Most doctors are not brave people. They are timid status conscious technicians most of whom work for large hospital systems. Alot of academic docs and scientists are also hopeless miseducated liberals morons who believe for instance that the minimum wage is a good idea. and that the federal gov is justifiied in operating the FDA or CDC .

These people were literally deranged by fear and hatred of Trump and the democratic party and progressive oragnizations weaponized the whole covid episode as a tool to defeat trump. If trump said ivermectin could held ( which it can- I took it), then noone should use ivermectin b/c trump thinks its ok.

Many docs and scientists had their brains broken by fear

These people were faced witht the greatest moral test of their lives and they failed.

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Anon38901932047's avatar

Thank you for taking the time to write this extensive comment.

The pointer you make to Marek's disease in chickens is very helpful to me. I was totally unaware of it. I found this 2016 article about the Marek's vaccine on, of all places, a PBS website: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/tthis-chicken-vaccine-makes-virus-dangerous

Anyone who reads that PBS article about the problems with leaky vaccines against Marek's disease in chickens cannot help but draw parallels to the current leaky Covid 19 vaccines in humans. Thank you for guiding us to the problematic situation with the Marek's disease vaccine.

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Man-i's avatar

you are welcome, the mRNA vaccines are a total disaster and the fact that they were pushed an mandated was a crime against humanity

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Deb Hawthorne's avatar

I wish more doctors like you would have spoke up. I knew right from the beg it was wrong and I have no medical background. Everything you said makes perfect sense and yet if I tried to share it with someone they would just shut me off! I’m sure many did to you.

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95% is a relative effectiveness rate and is a bogus definition that does not consider absolute numbers. From Pfizer trial data

Total number = 21500Vax: 21500Unvax

Effective rate (162-8)/162 = 0.9506

If we change the number of infected people here,

(16200-800) / 16200 = 0.9506

(21500-1075)/21500 = 0.9506

There is something strange about this definition. I realized it was a promotional definition for pharmaceutical companies by pharmaceutical companies.

When I calculated the non-infected rate, I noticed that there was not much difference between Vaxxed and Unvaxxed.

By this I figured something was wrong, after that I realized the dangers of mRNAdrugs.

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Man-i's avatar

Congratulations on staying rational and sane . I’m grateful to have others that kept their heads during this hysteria

It was also very revealing when those masks going on in April 2020. Because masks don’t stop viruses never have and never will

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annaroo1021's avatar

What do you make of the cohort claiming this virus, or any virus, has never been properly isolated? And that all symptoms of illness were gathered and propagandized into something called covid? Also, what do you think about the fact that the PCR is based on a computer generated genetic sequence and not a real "virus"?

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I’ve been aware of this group of people that claim that viruses aren’t real and they’ve never been isolated. I’ve been aware of them for many years. I’ve even had discussions with some of them. I have a bio chemistry degree and an MD degree. So they claim that I am biased and brainwashed. When they say that a virus has never been “isolated” it’s true that you can’t ever really completely isolate a pure viral particle because viruses are grown in culture on other live cells and there is always contamination. But I think the overwhelming body of evidence points to or supports the claim that viruses are real things and that they cause human suffering and disease as well as disease in plants and other animals and even in bacteria. There is a whole class of viruses that infect bacteria called bacteriophges . One of these phage viruses Who is used to genetically manipulate the E. coli bacteria that’s normally found in the human intestine to make that bacteria produce insulin for human use

So not only is there evidence for the existence of viruses, viruses have been used in beneficial ways

The original Wuhan alpha strain of Covid was supposedly identified and sequenced genetically. This was used to make the PCR test. There is a very reliable PCR test for the herpes virus. The problem with the PCR test is not whether or not they work to identify viral proteins or viral genetic material. The problem is whether or not The individual patient poses an infection risk. You might have a positive Covid PCR test but that doesn’t mean that you’re sick or contagious or infectious to others.

Like any test, there can be false positives and false negatives. If you turn up the sensitivity of a microphone you’re gonna pick up all kinds of background noise.

The PCR test was never intended to be used as a screening test

It was supposed to be used as a diagnostic test. So if you are actively ill with symptoms and a doctor wants to confirm whether or not you have Covid or some other illness they would do a PCR test in an already sick person. And that would provide evidence that the onus is a result of Covid

It’s completely inappropriate to just do a PCR test on millions of asymptomatic people and if they happen to be positive call that a “case“

The fact that this was done represents a complete and utter failure of the public health establishment

They couldn’t have gotten more wrong he didn’t know the difference between a screening test and a diagnostic test

They assumed that asymptomatic people who were positive were a risk to themselves and others which was completely wrong

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"they would do a PCR test in an already sick person. And that would provide evidence that the onus is a result of Covid"

Not at all. If you checked someones underwear and found it was purple would that be evidence that all people with purple underwear had 'covid'? You are making vast leaps based on false ideologies. You would need some evidence the purple underwear caused a identifiable disease before you could claim purple underwear disease existed. If you find people who are not sick that have purple underwear that is not an "asymptomatic case" but evidence there is no such thing as purple underwear disease. This is like how 'leprosy' was relabelled 'the plague' and then 'smallpox', 'measles', 'chickenpox' etc.: https://odysee.com/@CitizenScience:0/Kate-Sugak-The-truth-about-smallpox:1

"One of these phage viruses Who is used to genetically manipulate the E. coli bacteria that’s normally found in the human intestine to make that bacteria produce insulin for human use"

Clearly the topic is pathogenic viruses that are claimed to cause disease, be infectious etc. If you are saying that there is a protein that effects insulin production in bacteria that in no way supports your claim that there are pathogenic viruses.

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You are correct and what I said in my response is exactly what you were saying. I am practicing physician. He diagnostic test is used to support the presumptive diagnosis based on your clinical exam and suspicion. The test is just another piece of evidence. So you are exactly right. If someone has a disease that appears to be a febrile upper respiratory infection. And you suspect that this is from a virus called Covid one could do a diagnostic test looking for the presence of Covid. But again you are correct that if that test is positive it doesn’t prove that the illness that the person has is a direct result of the Covid virus. So I agree with you the whole testing regiment was a giant scam and it was misapplied out of fear and ignorance.

And what I mean by the comment about bacteria and phage viruses is that viruses have been used in real practical ways and manipulated genetically. This is possible because viruses exist and there is evidence that there are viruses that cause disease in humans like herpes and many others.

If a patient presents in my office with shingles. And they have a rash all over their face. If I break open one of the rash blisters, the fluid in these blisters is filled with billions of particles of herpesvirus. That’s because the herpes virus causes a clinical illness which we call shingles

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Tamenund's avatar

"These people were faced witht the greatest moral test of their lives and they failed."

Your whole piece was very well-written but this line was brilliant.

To paraphrase a comment I came across somewhere on Substack: "Everything is clear to the cynic."

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Man-i's avatar

Biochem BS and BA philo

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James Hill, MD's avatar

Amen.

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Ino Moxo's avatar

If only the healthcare workers would have done the same, the entire house of cards would have fallen. It would’ve also ensured the truly infirmed would have been attended to without delay.

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Dr. Jeffrey Wheeler's avatar

Simple observation;

If its wrong here and now, such a mandate was wrong initially across the board everywhere!

( as has been contended all along)

What are the implications here on the rights and privacy violations committed across the board? Every violation now must be addressed and properly adjudicated and compensated IMO.

This should be a major precedent for corrective action!!!!

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Thomas Schmidt's avatar

You could make an argument that they didn't know the vaccine wouldn't prevent spread. Of course, that argument ceased to have any basis after July, 2021, BEFORE any mandates came into effect. When Walensky said that the vaccine could not prevent spread, the public health justification for it died.

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Reader's avatar

Great post. I agree that it's wholly unfair to the coerced employees. They've been treated badly. I hope it's eventually possible to compensate them. Ideally, that would start with prison sentences for the public health criminals.

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Rick Ratliff's avatar

That’s a great start

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BRaa's avatar

Omg!! This is AMAZING. I am so happy for all those who are finally getting the treatment they deserve ❤️

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Thomas Schmidt's avatar

There are plenty of people who aren't getting what they deserve. They'd better crawl on hands and knees begging for mercy.

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AnnR's avatar

The vaccinated employees need to sue and financially DESTROY every single government official who had any part in this tragedy. Destroy them. Because that's what every government official attempted to do, to get compliance from the employees.

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Igor Chudov's avatar

I hope for not just 'financially' -- real and LEGAL punishments are needed.

We need an investigation into HOW DID THIS HAPPEN -- and legal, but appropriate punishments for those who poisoned millions.

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Ron Mexico's avatar

Nothing will be done. The government cannot allow a precedent that anyone is held accountable for anything. The gravy train will not be allowed to stop under any circumstances.

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Kathryn O'Connor's avatar

Exactly - which is why our mayor - Eric Adams is appealing this decision. They are going to do everything in their power to overturn this decision. SO much is at stake for them!!

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JuliBigli's avatar

Wow! What a POS Adams is! Zeldin for governor!!

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AnnR's avatar

Agreed. The legal punishments should be swift and harsh. VERY harsh.

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AnnR's avatar

I don't see why those people cannot be sued. Maybe it's something for Attorney Jeff Childers to think about!!!

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Rachel Cheeney's avatar

Take it to Congress, they let it happen.

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Rick Ratliff's avatar

I always start the conversation out: They lied to us. The said it would stop the spread. It didn’t, they said it would keep me from getting sick, it didn’t, they said it was safe, it was not.

I’m getting converts at a rate of 50%

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Igor Chudov's avatar

Awesome! 50% is huge! Share a little more please -- by editing the above message -- people will benefit

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Jim Foye's avatar

My jaw dropped when I saw this. In NY, no less!

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Anon38901932047's avatar

What will be the political fallout for Hochul and Adams?

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Jim Foye's avatar

Probably not much. Any reasonable person has surely already concluded that the welfare of their constituents and employees is the last thing these people care about.

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Bull Dog's avatar

Looks like the Communist left forgot to replace a judge or two. Awesome news, good for them.

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nymusicdaily's avatar

so adams dropped the lethal injection requirement for private businesses too. because, election, i mean science. https://tessa.substack.com/p/nyc-rescinds-mandates-private-employers

too bad i can't get my job back after i was depersoned by cuomo because people who work in the arts aren't essential. and i burned any bridge i had by calling bs on the kill shot and now people are jealous. guess it's just as well to know if someone you worked for is ok with killing you.

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Copernicus's avatar

Good for you for standing up and speaking up. May God repay you for your courage.

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Malignant's avatar

We’re making a new meme. “The Return of the Jedi” poster art, but

“Shot Wars”

“Return but with back pay”

maybe Eric Adams and the rest of those scumbags faces inserted where Darth Vaders face is.

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