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Max's avatar

On the other hand, vitamin D supplementation is effective in reducing covid risks in veterans.:

"In the population of US veterans, we show that Vitamin D2 and D3 fills were associated with reductions in COVID-19 infection of 28% and 20%, respectively [(D3 Hazard Ratio (HR) = 0.80, [95% CI 0.77, 0.83]), D2 HR = 0.72, [95% CI 0.65, 0.79]]. Mortality within 30-days of COVID-19 infection was similarly 33% lower with Vitamin D3 and 25% lower with D2 (D3 HR = 0.67, [95% CI 0.59, 0.75]; D2 HR = 0.75, [95% CI 0.55, 1.04])."

"When we extrapolate our results for vitamin D3 supplementation to the entire US population in 2020, there would have been approximately 4 million fewer COVID-19 cases and 116,000 deaths avoided."

Source:

Gibbons JB, Norton EC, McCullough JS, Meltzer DO, Lavigne J, Fiedler VC, Gibbons RD. Association between vitamin D supplementation and COVID-19 infection and mortality. Sci Rep. 2022 Nov 12;12(1):19397.

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Renee Marie's avatar

💥BOOM! Looking back on my 59 years, when did a doctor ever tell any of us to take Vitamin D (besides sunshine)????

These numbers are crazy!

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HardeeHo's avatar

My D level came in at 92 and a nurse suggested i back off. Said my level should be below 50 and I disagreed. She then backed off but with an smile. I imagine she was aware and was following some script. I shall continue on with 2000 units 2X/day. No infection AFIK.

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Renee Marie's avatar

I don’t trust doctors or nurses anymore. I do my own research (not Web MD-lol). Doctors and nurses are just regular people. Most don’t deal with naturopathy, only allopathy. And that’s the problem!

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Kitty Antonik Wakfer's avatar

I & husband have blood work panel 3x/yr (next in cpl wks) incl VitD 25Hydroxy which we keep btwn 65 & 75 ng/mL by adjusting the number of drops (2000 IU/drop) taken daily. Our phenotypic (biological) ages are ~15 less than our chronological which are 78 & 85. We practice numerous healthy longevity measures (incl immune system boosters) & have NO life-threatening disorders or dysfunctions. We also have taken NO mRNA injections & never had any flu shots. No COVID19, unless the 2 dragged out days I had end of Feb 2020, was it; husband experienced nothing.

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Bonnie O'Rourke's avatar

Sure they are kitty, no you go back to your make believe "science" and don't take any vaccines whatsoever. Keep taking those obscene levels of vitamins, we're sure it will all work out great.

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HardeeHo's avatar

Actually, adequate D plus routine mouth/nose sanitation is likely better than a vaccine using currently poor manufacturing/distribution processes and unknown long term effects from both the payload and the carrier lipids. The unvaccinated are not going into hospitals much anymore and it's not clear if those who became ill prior to the vaccine were ever given adequate medical treatment. Net-net most would have been better off had the vaccine never arrived.

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Tim's avatar

Vaccines are poisons so this is sound advice.

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Truth and Justice's avatar

The dose that Janet takes( see below,) is the ideal doze. The majority of people need 10,000 I.U. Here is a simple rule: the bigger you are the more vitamin D you need. Oh, and you need magnesium and fat ( like olive oil, peanut butter etc) for the vitamin D to get absorbed.

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Robyn S's avatar

You also need enough oils in your skin, not just in your diet.

A lot of people use sunscreen if they're out in the sun, and then wash it off later with soap or body wash. I would suggest not to use sunscreen, try to get enough sun naturally - without burning yourself - and then there's no need to use body wash/soap afterwards; just use warm water and a washer when bathing! Then you don't de-oil/dry out your skin and the body can make more Vitamin D.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I do 6,000 units once a day...also add Vitamin K and magnesium

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Janet's avatar

I do 5000 in the summer and 10-15,000 in the winter. I also take K and querciten. Had a runny nose January 2021 and an antibody test the next September showed Covid antibodies--quite high. Probably was Covid. I’m 74 now. Nothing since.

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Bonnie O'Rourke's avatar

No, she figured that's a quicker way to get rid of those stupid Trumpanzees, so go ahead, pound down some more . . .

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HardeeHo's avatar

"Trumpanzees"? Strange term in civil discussion.

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Daniel's avatar

My doctor recommended vitamin D and even had my levels tested annually until covid. Strange?

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Renee Marie's avatar

Ya think????

I ASKED (told!) my doctor to test my D level. I know it’s probably high. I’m in the sun as much as possible and take D supplements as well.

From now on I’m taking what I may need and leaving the rest. These are OUR bodies, not the “medical cartel” or Big Pharma!

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Daniel's avatar

At least my doctor will do the test if I ask. For now. There are home test kits if necessary.

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Renee Marie's avatar

WOW! I don’t know that!

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Janet's avatar

My functional medicine doc has my d level run for each blood test. You can get a home test or the labs like Quest Diagnostics or Labcorp. No Dr. order needed. Can order online and set appointment. These labs are everywhere.

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Scampster's avatar

I have gotten my D levels checked annually for many years. My last one was not covered by my insurance with some explanation that didn't make sense. (I work in healthcare and have great insurance that usually pays for nearly everything) That was strange too.

I fought it b/c had legit diagnosis from my Dr but makes me wonder....

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Daniel's avatar

I hear you. I now question everything. I don't trust doctors because they do not think for themselves anymore. Wish there was a way to find a good one like Doctor Kory in my area.

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Penny's avatar

A private doctor told me about the importance of vit D and I have been supplementing with 4-8,000iu all year (4 in summer and 8 in winter) for the past twelve years. I still got Covid and was unwell for two days and tired for a month. (Aged 66 with autoimmune condition.). Took IVM for the first week. I cannot understand why so many people with whom I speak have no idea of the importance of vit D. (I was in correspondence with Dr Cicero Coimbra about a friend with MS (PPMS); Dr Coimbra uses high doses of vit D to treat MS and other autoimmune conditions and has been doing so for 20 years. (Sadly, my friend had left it too late to start treatment - his GP had never heard of Dr Coimbra or vitamin D for MS.))

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The Cynical Optimist's avatar

As Dr. Ryan Cole puts it, "the cold and flu season is actually the low vitamin D season".

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Rhymes With "Brass Seagull"'s avatar

Indeed, I like to call it "broken immune system season".

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

VA never told the veterans that Vitamin D supplementation was effective in reducing covid risks in veterans.

Never. Told. Us.

VA still pushing covid jabs, boosters, and flu shots.

VA denies medical care to veterans not wearing a mask.

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Rhymes With "Brass Seagull"'s avatar

Amen! Whether it's flu or Covid, ot seems that Vitamin D (as well as Vitamin C and Zinc) clearly outperforms any vaccine, and minus the nasty side effects.

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Richard's avatar

It's really all about the terrain, never the nonsense called "contagion". All vaccines are useless for disease prevention and dangerously toxic drugs, by deranged design, fraudulently alleged to prevent microorganism/"virus" "caused" sets of disease symptoms, spuriously called "infections".

D2 (plant form) is toxic to animals, only D3 (animal form) is OK, but must be taken with K2 MK4 (animal form), best from foods, like unpasteurised butter and/or organs. All extracted sea oils should be avoided, including for D3 (e.g. Cod Liver Oil), because the polyunsaturated oils they contain, rapidly go rancid, when not preserved, chilled, and kept in the dark. If you eat whole fish, only eat it very fresh and quickly cooked, otherwise only eat it after gutting. If you eat enough of the right, minimally-processed, farmed/wild ruminant flesh, including organs, you won't need any supplementary D3 or K2.

We are Apex predators, but seem to have been made to forget this. There was no easy switch from a carnivore diet to, increasingly harmful, vegetable farming, despite the establishment-faked "food history". There was actually repeated abandonment of vegetable farming in the past, because men used to notice its harms and costs.

Best avoiding most/all stuff made from seeds, tubers, bulbs, roots, beans, and all small nuts to avoid the eventual, significant damage caused by these highest natural-pesticide/chemical-thorn loaded parts of plants, especially grain seeds, and polyunsaturated-oil seed/beans. These and the starch/sugar/oils they contain are probably the primary cause of most diseases, not "contagion"! Other causes include environment pollution by petrochemical products, including plastics, atmospheric spraying of toxins, and increasingly higher-frequency RF. Higher RF frequencies are worse, because they require proportionally more power to generate, and can put more power into smaller areas, e.g. a study discovered that a 1800MHz mobile signal caused double the damage as a 900MHz mobile signal, so best ban Wi-Fi 5 and 6, as well as 5G and 6G!

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Robyn S's avatar

A true paleo diet is probably one of the best diets for most people, but vegetarians won't go there! Legumes I know can have their problem with lectins, grains are often problematic with their inflammatory effects, and processed vegetable oils are problematic, too.

But I do wonder.

In our anthropological past, Neanderthals, on paper, seemed like they should be better than Homo sapiens. They were stronger, stockier, cared for their sick/aged better, were more artistic etc, but they mostly ate meat. Still, their growth was often stunted. And they got bred out by the more wily Homo sapiens. Now, Home sapiens ate more vegetable matter (roots, berries, pollen etc) than Neanderthals, and they did better - because they won out.

So maybe we should be eating vegetable matter more...? A balanced approach, perhaps?

Plus with all the toxins in the environment (soil, sea, air etc), you have to pick not just your animal products very carefully, but your vegetable matter, too.

And yes, avoiding EMF is a good idea.

Honestly, get rid of mobile/cell phones (perhaps even the silicon chip!), WiFi, plastics, other petrochemicals and antibiotics. Life would definitely be better for our bodies and most other biological systems - but most people would claim their lives would get worse!! :-D

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

We know that medical science lies to us. But why are we so quick to trust alternative claims? EMF is a hazard? Yes, certainly at high levels. If you are a worker in front of an energized microwave antenna. With everyday exposure to mobile phones, wi-fi routers or the dreaded 5G antenna down the block, the case becomes far less clear. Note that I'm not saying risks don't exist, only that, as far as I can tell (and I've looked) there is very little data to support that low-level exposure is a great hazard.

Similar case for artificial sweeteners. Aspartame seems to be the bad boy currently. Again, I don't deny it may be risky. The standard label warns against use by some people. But again, based on reserach (and I did some), this particular chemical has been studied for nearly 50 years. Hundreds of studies. Health nuts have warned me that it decomposes into formaldehyde or methanol in body (true). What Cassandra didn't tell me, but a half hour reading on PubMed did, is that eating a normal diet produces those same toxic metabolites in far greater quantities than aspartame used at normal levels ever would. There are studies that show that fake sweeteners may lead to weight gain, but this might be due to food cravings; nothing to do with the chemical itself. Meanwhile, does anyone deny that sugar/junk carbs overeaten pose a far greater risk to one's health? (Well, that is, other than the corn and sugar lobby and their minions?)

A similar case for vitamins and supplements: I don't deny that they may do good, but if you think theyh can do no harm, well, good luck to you! And there is often little or no proof that they are beneficial at high doses (e.g. Vitamic C). I'm trying to aim for a happy middle. For example, Vitamic C 1,000 mg/day is way about the minimum recommended, but it's non toxic, cheap, and may provide some protection.

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Tim's avatar

'there is very little data to support that low-level exposure is a great hazard.'

I would prefer if there was reliable data proving it was safe.

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Robyn S's avatar

A happy middle ground is usually the best bet, for most things!! Although my body only seems to like whole, real food, not made-up 'food' that was created in a lab - regardless of whether it does or does not break down to formaldehyde! Those people who can handle a bit of crap now and then, they have no idea how lucky they are to be so adaptable. My body can't manage lots of 'foods' now. Probably 'coz I'm Coeliac and didn't realise it until my mid-30s, so I guess I did a lot of damage in that time. All seems good now, but only if I keep my body on a fairly tight ship. So I keep it on a tight ship! And I'm fine with that. I've eaten so much stuff in so many worldly places; I can live with some limitation now.

The problem is that we can't keep our food or air or life in any way as as 'clean' as we'd like it, due to sharing the air, ground, water etc with everyone else.

But anyway, what we CAN do is find a diet that works for us/our genetics, try to remain somewhat happy and hopeful, maintain decent relationships in life, stress ourselves now and then to build resilience, and generally, um, try not to overdo things too much?!

There's no perfect way to live, agreed. Everything seems to have its merits - and downfalls. The trick, I guess, is finding a way through life where you get to focus on the merits far more than the downfalls! :-D

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Dr Linda's avatar

As Veteran uses the VA, it sucks. Their favorite phase is “evidence based” treatment. Do you think they are going to stop pushing these shots? I don’t. I have an appointment coming. I am going to take this evidence. Let’s see what they say. Any bets?

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Andi Hofmann's avatar

Prepare in psycho kung fu against narcissistic psychopaths. As the elites are all, they transform whole society and companies into this. All processes are working that way now. You need a strong explosion to overcome mass formation thus cognitive dissonance telling a clerk to look the other way if you shove the truth up his her nose. Ah, look my shoe ties are loose.

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Andi Hofmann's avatar

I‘m missing stronger words here.

The best I found is a fusion in my mind from Matthias Desmet’s Psychology of Totalitarianism (his book, and Videos at headwind.tv or TheHighWire.com) and the concept of Moloch (Malek, corrupted markets, as opposed to Gaia, market without corruption and distortion) at RTE:

Moloch defined: https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/moloch-defined

Malek is effective in all of us, whichever thinking or stance we take.

Overcoming it is the quest of our times.

An energistic healer on “how to cure narcissists”: it is not impossible, just not easy. And the person has to have the wish to get free from it and allow the soul again ride the spirit. Hm…

https://naturalhealer.com.au/2016/09/natural-healing-narcissists/

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erin's avatar

I suspect that if a narcissist really wants to "allow the soul" to lead, they are not really a narcissist. :-)

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Dr Linda's avatar

I guess that’s the issue. In my experience narcissists do not see that there is a problem. I’ll gave to think about this. : )

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JuJu's avatar

I am an NP at a tertiary care midwestern VA affiliated with a major, prominent university just up the road. There is no way the VA will back off the projection that the jab is a life-saving force for everyone. Heck-they are still enforcing masking! 😩

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PJ's avatar

My husband gets all his care at VA. They are currently respecting his right to refuse and I hope it stays that way. He also put a notarized religious exemption to vaccination on file and gave a copy to his primary care via certified mail . We are in Massachusetts, so all health facilities are requiring masks, because the State (per our governor) is following Joe Biden's May 11th "end" of the emergency. I assume masks at the VA and in Massachusetts will become voluntary after May 11. We just spent the winter in Florida and it was so nice to go to a regular doctor's office and not see anyone wearing a mask!

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JuJu's avatar

I was approved for a religious exemption. I am allergic to something in the influenza vaccine. I am in a sub specialty (surgery), so it does not get raised as a part of my practice per se.

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JuJu's avatar

But, I will discuss it if the veteran brings it up, or raises any questions.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

VA denies medical care to veterans not wearing a mask.

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Dr Linda's avatar

Yes, you can't get into the facility. You might get in but the police will be called

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

The police are always standing by the entrance at the VA hospital I go to.

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Daniel's avatar

Agreed. And my doctor there will not discuss.

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Dr Linda's avatar

My primary care doc doesn't even try

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Daniel's avatar

There are vitamin d test kits online at least.

It's a sad mess in medicine now. Doctors are captured by CDC & Pharma. Not like before when doctors made their own decisions. Hopefully there will be good alternatives soon as the demand is growing. Stay strong.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I was just at the VA last week and they made an announcement over the PA system that covid jabs and boosters were still available.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

My VA still requires mask wearing...or no treatment.

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Rob's avatar

I entered my supermarket in Virginia yesterday, and there was a young family with two children of 4-6 years old, all wearing particularly non-breathable masks. My heart went out for those children, who are enduring a form of physical and psychological abuse at the hands of their own parents.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

It is so sad to see children wearing masks.

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Janet's avatar

Let us know.

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strefanash's avatar

In the days before the covid response totally discredited vaccines (both real AND fake) for me i regularly took the flu shot that my employers graciously provided free of charge.

Then one winter they stopped.

When i wondered at it they said that the flu shot did not affect attendances at work in winter at all.

And of course that is why the employer paid for them, so as to not lose money from sick employees being absent from work because of the flu.

this is an anecdote, I know.

But it fits the trend that flu shots are useless

However one thing i did learn about anecdote is that some people who fancy themselves of a scientific disposition wlil call anything they do not want to hear an "anecdote" so as to feel justified in dismissing it.

I do endorse the germ theory of illness and knowing something of history i do endorse the science of vaccines

BUT Big HArma (i now always drop the pee) puts all manner of crap in their injectables, which is fraud.

the have destroyed all trust in them and I , totally reasonably, i no longer trust thm

and if all they have in reply to my entirely rational response to corrupt Big Harma is name calling as in "anti vaxxer," so be it

they show their own bankruptcy in this, not any on my part

no more jabs for me

NOT EVER

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Momcat's avatar

I had a similar flu situation... all of us got the flu shot at work, all of us got sick. I ended up with pneumonia & was the only one that missed work. We were very busy with business booming so we couldn't take off, as soon as we got caught up, I went to the dr, got chewed out for not coming in so he could give me meds to keep me from getting pneumonia. When I got covid, I sent him an email asking what meds he would give me to keep me from getting pneumonia.... his response? "sorry you're sick. if it gets bad go to the hospital". same dr that chewed me out for not coming in when I first had the flu.... I only got the first covid shot, & because it made me very sick, (achy, sore, lethargic, etc), I decided it was like the flu shot, and I will never take another shot. and yes, I have found another dr.

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ChrisRd's avatar

Sounds like your former dr put his principles aside and obediently went with the script they were all given at the time...

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PJ's avatar

My "anecdotal" story - I volunteered to take the flu shot in my 20s when I was a school teacher. That same winter, I got so sick with some type of flu, that I never took another flu shot ever again. From what I'm gleaning now, reading about vaccines in general these last few years, it's obvious vaccines can wreck havoc on our innate immune system. Every shot is an interruption in what are innate immune systems are already doing for us. It's an interruption in allowing our bodies to do what they need to do at best. And when our healthy immune system gets interrupted, who can predict what the consequences will be? I'll make never take another vaccine ever again.

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Neutron Flux's avatar

Turtles All The Way Down. The scammers don't use saline in the control groups; they use prior versions of the latest updated snake oil shot so any adverse events appear similar for the new drug group vs "placebo"!

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

I haven't read "Turtles" but have read enough about all the deceptive tricks used in setting up a clinical trial, reporting on it, etc. The same dodge you describe was deliberately done (I think) in the Vioxx trials; they knew it caused heart issues and deliberately compared it against a high dose of some other medication for the comparator. The gambits are limitless and a book should be written about them. Probably already has been. Kendrick's "Dcotoring Data" is a favorite.

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Neutron Flux's avatar

Kendrick is awesome. He stands up to the statin scam too.

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Faith's avatar

That's a good one! And I bet that Dr. completely misses the irony!!

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Momcat's avatar

yep!

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Faith's avatar

Only flu shot I ever took in my life resulted in a case of the flu three days later (typical incubation period). Never again!

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SD's avatar

I will add to that, I had not taken a flu shot for over thirty years, my employer offered a free one and I took it in 2018, two weeks later, down and out for the count for three weeks, took three months to recover, when I got covid in 2022 the symptoms mirrored 2018, the only difference being they were much worse. It felt like something had invaded my body and spent the next three weeks probing my defences and different systems looking for a weakness. My gut and background were telling me this was not a natural illness but something that had been engineered.

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JO's avatar

I completely agree. Covid is not a normal respiratory illness.

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PJ's avatar

I got covid sitting next to a cougher or on a plane for 3 hours on Christmas day in 2021. I never took the vaccine. My husband had taken two covid vaccines in October in order to keep his job. He got sicker than me but we both did okay with ivermectin at home. The one thing he needed that I didn't was a prescription cough suppressant. COVID wrecked havoc with my sinuses, and I had to take Sudafed for the first time in my life. The sinus pressure continued all spring. Ivermectin did seem to help. I dosed intermittently for about 4 months after I contracted COVID. The one thing that continued to linger in me for the next year was a minor cough. I'm happy to say that has pretty much finally completely subsided now.

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baker charlie's avatar

I had the same feeling. One week a tap on my kidneys, the next week heart palpitataion. It felt somehow methodical.

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RussCR5187's avatar

"BUT Big HArma (i now always drop the pee) puts all manner of crap in their injectables, which is fraud."

Thank you for this. It made my day!

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strefanash's avatar

I only saw this just now. If you like the term feel free to quote it

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Andi Hofmann's avatar

As we can treat early now, panic vanishes agains all viruses, and that’s why early treatment was so fought at.

use FLCCC.net/protocols, download them all for offline use, yand you can also add

- INHALATION therapy: -

- a) an inorganic antiseptic and time shifted

- b) anti-allergics like azelastine, CPM, chromolynium acid (if available, they keep us short agsin)

- c) short chained Hyalurone and panthenole

- d) 9% xylitol and or 0.15 iota-carrageenan

(- e) progesterone, lvermectin, NicIosamide, all liposomally or micellarly solved, are inhalable. There ate some papers and patents. Ask MedinCell. Not tried. I’ll buy phospholipides and a ultrasound 150W cleaner and a thin walled small glass cuplet. Or ready-built lab ultrasound mixing cell or rod. Dr. Klinghardt told DIY liposomally solving meds works fine at least for swallowing and stomach-friendly high-dose Vitamin-C cures. Also add baking soda or try C salt.

Have to evaluate inhalable composition. )

All of the above except e): lost COPD from delayed (3d) allergy to milk and/after astra (stopped breathing at night, days no stair possible, drew breath and no oxygen would come in) in 3 Wks.

Together with MCAS treatment, see Dr George Fareed protocol (CHD). Rupatadine, Famotidine, Montelukast. Essential meds, produce decentrally. Watch them like lVM.

Also cool, blew the real flu away in 2 days: inhalation, plus part of I-CARE (C, D3+K2, Zn, etc.)

- walnut leafes 5g/d

- rock rose 5g/d

- moringa leafs 5g/d

- kitchen herbs, birch tree bark or one yrd mugwort, also black cumine, torreya nucifera.. all having amentoflavone, a 3CL protease inhibitor, moringa prolonging its effect by preventing rapid decomposition in liver.

By inorganic antisetics, one is able to cut down viral load by 3, and dissolve even the spike knit (micro) blood clots, and softly soothe the immune system.

On empty stomach, I just drink from supply of the day CDS CIO2 (aq) very thinned to 90ppm for me. I use 20-25ml 0.3% on one L water. I try to use 1/3 of NOAEL. NOAEL is 3mg/kg/day in 5-1 portions at least.

See

90% prevention by (very thin) 3ppm CIO2(aq) solution against secondary infections with one primary CoV infected in families:

http://ijmra.in/v4i8/Doc/2.pdf

Aerosol disinfection by only 0.03(vol) CIO2 in air, also self-distributing (10ml CIo2(aq) 0.3% per 10m², for schools dilute into 1.5L tap water PET bottle, punch hole in lid and put in membrane from rain jacket. Or do not close lid tightly. As 20ppm are “de jure” tapwater. Drinking water.

See this excellent article from Dr. Taufertshöfer on CDS and CoV:

https://cdn.website-editor.net/31ebb640b63a445b913fbb9152c94a0e/files/uploaded/Chlorine_dioxide_COVID-19-Therapy_2020.pdf

Amd COMUSAV

Anti-CoV etc:

https://www.comusav.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/18-NOV-2021_ENGLISH_COVID19_CDS_PROTOCOLS.pdf

COMUSAV Anti-Inocculation :

https://www.comusav.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/ENGLISH-AI-Protocol-16-Dec-2021-.pdf

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Barney Rubble's avatar

"When i wondered at it they said that the flu shot did not affect attendances at work in winter at all."

I challenge anyone to find this data from their HR and calculate the results.

Kudos to your employer for doing that, even if driven by money.

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

Not "useless" but useless-adjacent. Although there's no easy way to find out, as with many interventions, they may even be net harms. One shouldn't require a doctorate degree in psychology to understand why Pharma really doesn't want to disclose such information -- if they even searched for it. While I've yet to "do" an article on my substack, most of mine report how little benefit so many have. It sounds crazy, but in many cases you are probably better off not taking anything for an illness.

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GeoffPainPhD's avatar

US Military knows Flu jabs increase risk of Coronavirus Infection

https://geoffpain.substack.com/p/us-military-knowingly-weakening-the

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Faith's avatar

Flu shots also mess up the immune system and increase risk of flu!!!

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RussCR5187's avatar

I'm a little slow on the uptake this morning. The study presented depends on the jabs NOT influencing vulnerability to the "other" illness. Yes?

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GeoffPainPhD's avatar

No. If you are talking about the GG Wolff study which clearly showed increased Coronavirus infection.

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RussCR5187's avatar

I'm not familiar with that study. I don't see how one can investigate the flu shot using the covid vaccinated group as control without assuming that the flu shot does NOT affect vulnerability to covid infection. If the flu shot DOES affect susceptibility to covid infection, then the so-called control group is not really a control. Is that what the Wolff study implies?

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Andi Hofmann's avatar

Let’s do a Backup of the database ASAP :))

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Dr Christine Dewbury's avatar

Excellent commentary.

As a retired doctor I was trained to believe vaccines had always been proven to be very safe and very effective. This turns out to be far from the truth. As the propaganda associated with covid infection and the “safe and effective” vaccine ramped up it became obvious to me that we were being duped. I have read as much of the scientific data as was available, which confirmed my view. My understanding of statistics, immunology, virology has been tested to the limit. The medical information, however, was easily understood and shocking.

It is tragic that most people have still not realised the scale of the deception and still refuse to look at the evidence. I doubt most would understand the truth as easily as they understood the three word slogans and official narrative.

Many of my friends are of an age where flu vaccines have become normal routine and for whom Covid vaccines continue to be seen as essential proven lifesavers. I wish there was a simplify commentary that identified the problems clearly for those with minimal pre-existing knowledge. I am so tired of being labelled as an antivaxxer for trying to explain in simple language why they should exercise a little judicious caution!

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Andi Hofmann's avatar

It’s a psychological problem overcoming mass formation resulting in heavy cognitive dissonance ignoring even self-evident truths till it hurts the eye (looking the other way where there is none).

Like :

Problem Virus? Anti-Virals like inorganic antiseptics all safely useable also systemically. Observe individual safety bands.

Problem medicine: do you trust BigVaxPharMafia?

Problem money? Do you trust banks?

Problem Conflicts: do you trust weapons producers and the Hampelmaenner distributing them to ukraine to make new deals by 1000*10^9$ possible?

Do you trust BugData?

Do you trust the MSM?

Do you trust “Science” as done by universities, where all deciding posts are captured by the lobbyist, doing censorship before the research even starts?

(See Ioannides: Why most researched findings are false”.

https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124

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Tim's avatar

If you think vaccinology is bad look into virology.

Turns out virology is basically a fraud.

Look up Dr Tom Cowan, Dr Stefan Lanka or Dr Sam Bailey for an introduction.

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Charlotte Ruse's avatar

Here's what's been revealed: "64% of patients hospitalized with COVID were vaccinated against the flu. 63% of patients hospitalized with flu were vaccinated against the flu." However, big pharma receives a profit 100% of the time.

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Richard's avatar

Our family attended a super spreader family event recently.

None of the unvaccinated got ill. many of the vaccinated were ill, some for > a month, one developed crescendo dementia and is in care now.

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Faith's avatar

Unfortunately this scenario is going to be repeating itself ad infinitum. The shot recipients are screwed unless they lucked out and received duds.

More boosters= more chances at getting the "hot" batches.

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Richard's avatar

Totally agree. My only other hope, is that they survive long enough for the natural cell turnover to save the day.

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SD's avatar

Don't hold your breath on that one, we know now once it is in the system it keeps producing even if there is no sign of covid.

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Andi Hofmann's avatar

It is transfected by the plasmids itself, which get inherited by every daughter cell, so also to viable embryos. Questions?

My hope is that mRNA or plasmid infected cells get eaten up by the immune system, but it is like a fierce cancer fight, due to VAIDS component not happening just that.

mNA level in study time of some weeks did not wane. I’d say PEG2k is 2 weeks transfectious, mRNA shedding 2 months, spike 1/2 year. Just good associative shots. Both, the vaccinated and the unvaccinated have to do I-RECOVER from vaccine (and depending on history additionally against CoV).

Interventions shall take the edge of crisis.

Good interventions shall make symptoms unnecessary.

The holy interventions make them unnecessary, and if you sneak out, the symptoms (partly) stay away. You may call this (partly) healing.

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SD's avatar

Good point, we must ask the question of ourselves as well. Given this rollout was one mass trial. How many of those recipients actually received a 'placebo' instead of the product. I am betting millions that we will never know about.

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Manketell's avatar

But the flu shot is great for causing early labor when they gave one to my daughter in law two weeks before she was due and she went into early labor.

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Manketell's avatar

And to add insult to injury she got the flu three weeks later!

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PJ's avatar

I can't believe they would give a pregnant woman a flu shot 🙄

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PJ's avatar

The Mayor of Boston (a woman, a mother, and also a noted "World Economic Forum Young Leader") showed no sympathy for a 9-month pregnant police officer in Dec. of 2021 when she mandated all City employees across the board get them. I have no idea what the fate of that particular police officer was, but I know of many who have been injured by these shots, including my husband (severe vertigo for 3 weeks after his second shot), my best friend (a pharmacist at BI Deaconess Hospital in Boston, and a "true believer" until her 3rd shot, which she now tells me has compromised her immune system permanently, and left a resulting sore on her leg that will not heal) and my brother-in-law, who was perfectly healthy until 18 months after his second pfizer, when he dropped dead on his way out for coffee at 10:00 am. His autopsy showed a massive hemorrhage in his chest thorax due to thrombocytopenia. He never had been diagnosed with thrombocytopenia before and was enjoying good health until the day he dropped dead. The New York Times covered cases of sudden onset of thrombosis and thrombocytopenia after vaccination but once a month has passed, no one, including the medical profession, seems to look back.

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Manketell's avatar

I have very similar experience with my friends and family. Heart attacks, cancer, glaucoma, asthma, blood clots, etc... Some died.

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PJ's avatar

😓

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Janet's avatar

I’m so sorry. My sympathies.

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

Although I'm not in health care, I was under the impression that -- not all that long ago -- the precautionary principle was more common, and that a pregnant woman wasn't given any substance unless there was an acute need. Priority now seem to be following official standards of care and fattening Pharma's wallet (often the same interests, have you noticed?)

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PJ's avatar

Most certainly!

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Thomas V's avatar

The reason why studies like this consistently "find" that the covid vaccines prevent death is that they all use the official definition of "vaccinated" for their analysis. And that means that for 14 days following any dose the person is again considered as unvaxxed. For the unvaxxed death rate to drop from 8.75% down to 5.18% (the claimed rate for the boosted), one only needs 66 deaths to be miscategorized in this manner. Since they suggest 538 deaths from covid, all they had to do was assign 12% of the vaxxed deaths to the unvaxxed camp - quite plausible.

Also, I observe some discrepancies in their data.

1. They claim deaths by covid within 30d totaled 538 (I assume this includes the 374 in hospital deaths)

2. Death rate by age group totals 486 deaths:

<65 1787 people x 1.29% = 23 deaths

>65 7,209 people , 6.42% = 463 deaths.

3. Deaths by vaxx status totals 556 deaths:

Unvax 1865 x 8.75% = 163

1 dose 384 x 6.23% = 24

2 dose 1841 x 6.23% = 115

Booster 4906 x 5.18% = 254

Total deaths = 556

So how many died from covid? 538 or 486 or 556?

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

A blackout period is justifiable -- IF say, your metric is only to test the efficacy of the vaccine against illness. Unless I'm mistaken, even at the start, they explicitly said it took 14 days (or whatever) for the vaccine to become effective. On the other hand, I do agree that if they were honestly looking for adverse events after vaccination, any blackout time after vaccination is dirty pool. Most severe reactions occur soon after injection (48 hours), that was true of earlier vaccines.

All that said, the 14-day blackout period is an example of jiggering a trial or analysis to get the numbers one wants.

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Thomas V's avatar

I have just sent an email to the authors requesting clarification of how they calculated the death rate, and why their numbers don't align.

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Ian Slorach's avatar

I’m thinking the best way to raise your chances of dying from Covid or the flu is to go to hospital!!! There’s plenty of accessible home treatment regimes. That’s the path I took with myself and family. Worked fine. I lost faith in the medical profession decades ago. Emergencies sure but anything else. Nup.

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Igor Chudov's avatar

At some point during Covid in November 2020 I had the blood oxygen of 88th and felt dizzy. I decided not to go to the hospital because I was fully conscious and stayed at the computer reading stuff. Not going to hospital was possibly one of the best and luckiest decisions in my life. The blood oxygen recovered in the few hours, and the rest of my Covid was unremarkable.

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shibumi's avatar

"I’m thinking the best way to raise your chances of dying is to go to hospital!!!"

Fixed it for you.

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Raymond Kordonowy MD's avatar

There might be a smidgen of truth in your comment. Winding up I’m an ER for assessment has a clear bias to seek a reason for admission. Combine that w our protocol hospital medicine using extensive “team care” approach and the chances for iatrogenesis fulminans leading to mortality is real.

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Dr Linda's avatar

I am trying to get to the PDF. The least I will do is copy this post and take it to all my appointments. I don’t think they can give me a “code orange” for disruptive behavior. We shall see.

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SD's avatar

Go to this page and print a pdf of this article, it is really easy to understand and makes it easier to take in for those who need educating, the images alone speak volumes.

https://expose-news.com/2023/04/07/the-culling-of-mankind-via-covid-vaccination/

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Anthony S Burkett's avatar

I am an 80% service connected disabled veteran who, from 2002 to 2012, took the flu vaccine administrated by the Veterans Healthcare System... during those years I contracted the flu every year... for 10 years straight EVERY YEAR!!!... I stopped taking the flu vaccine in 2013 and since then have contracted the flue twice (2016 and 2017)... moral to this story is that I no longer take the flu vaccine... instead I follow a daily regime of Vit D (2000mg), Vit C (500mg) and Zinc (50mg)... furthermore I am unvaccinated for COVID and will remain unvaccinated... or should I say "UN-Gene Therapied"... If the government asked me politely I would let them kiss my ass over the jab... but only if they ask politely.

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Igor Chudov's avatar

Good for you! And I had a similar experience, took a flu vaccine once and had the worst flu in my life three weeks later. No flu since that for years until 2022 when I had a mild flu or cold. Thank you for your service for our country. Wishing you the best of health

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Anthony S Burkett's avatar

You're welcome, Igor... I can only hope that my contribution to this nation's sovereignty is far from being complete... and willing to wager "biggly" that the most important and joyous contribution affordable by my abilities and others of common feather and like mind is yet to come... an oath is an oath, and as such has no expiration date.

And thank you for your kind wishes and for such an educational and informative substack...

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Anthony S Burkett's avatar

As an end note... The VA Healthcare System has been my primary care since 1975. During that span of time, with two exceptions, I have experienced the highest quality of care and have maintained the highest regard and respect for the professionalism of the doctors and staff that have treated me thus far at no less than 7 VAMCs across the nation... that being said... with respect to their policies... after all is said and done... they are still a part of the federal government.

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Aller Simple's avatar

I love this date! Me thinks human race is still viable...

"I stopped taking the flu vaccine in 20013"

:-)

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Happiness: AViewpoint!'s avatar

I’m afraid without the iatrogenic death data there is little explanation. I mean hospitals were only being paid for covid patients so people were not being treated correctly, also no chloroquine or ivermectin allowed which also killed people, and ventilators also killed people,.....these the reasons for the abundance of deaths during “covid” plandemic. The doctors killed them. And we will never forget.

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RussCR5187's avatar

I remember an ICU nurse at Sen Ron Johnson's covid roundtable saying she never saw anyone die of covid, she saw them die of inappropriate treatment.

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Martin - Vetenskapliga partiet's avatar

The whole idea from the start was probably to kill as many people as possible. I believe they are not finished yet, and that is why WHO is not learning from its "mistakes", but continuing in secrecy to continue this event or prepare for the next event by a virtual power grab, giving the murderous leadership in each country an international authority to point at.

James Roguski's, Karen Kingston's & Ana Mihalcea's findings should be looked into!

There are too much evidence pointing to a mass murder intention and a bioweapon. This is illegal. Illegal! Justice systems and politicians in power, who are not doing anything, are just as guilty! No action is action too!

Splash masks against a virus, making old people feel safe, thus getting infected, risking pneumonia and death? - If any good intent at all, then why did they not suggest HEPA to the frail and their caretakers?

Creating fake cases with ramped up PCR + Remdesivir? Saying that Ivermectin is not for people, but only a horse dewormer? Neglecting vitamins and minerals!!! The list goes on.

Everyone who they tried to kill, or anyone who had their relatives killed, should at this point go after the perpetrators in that pyramid scheme of death, just have a quick people's court and then hang them from the closest tree with a warning sign attached to them; "mass murdurers will be hanged", also remembering the monopoly capitalists at the very top of course, not only Bill Gates!

Why nobody does it, I do not understand. To me, THAT is bizarre.

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RussCR5187's avatar

Thank you for this. In my opinion, not enough commenting space is taken up by discussion of rebellion against all of this madness. Each bit of additional evidence of harm perpetrated by the billionaire psychopaths and their minions should lead to discussion of how best to stage a popular uprising. The powerful never give up their power without a fight. Is voting at the national level still effective? What are the chances of massive sustained demonstrations of civil disobedience in the streets? Would state-level initiatives be the most effective approach? Is family-level advance preparation for weathering terrible times the best we can do?

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Martin - Vetenskapliga partiet's avatar

What the elite wants is a man dressed as a bison who peacefully is having a tour in the Kapitolium, and they got it! They should be mad as hell, but instead they say; look he is innocent, he was peaceful. Why not arrest the mass murderers, having a people's court, and just hang them for the crimes they committed? What is the problem? I really do not get it.

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RussCR5187's avatar

Well ... weak men make bad times; bad times make strong men; strong men make good times; good times make weak men.

Rinse. Repeat.

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koa's avatar

Anecdotally, a coworker got the bivalent booster and flu shot at the same sitting.

Several weeks later she got covid (2nd time) that then turned into the flu.

Dr. Mike Yeadon pointed out how older folks never mount an effective immune response to the vax in the first place which is why so many end up in the hospital later when the they get the bug.

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Vigilant Amalek Snow Leopard's avatar

Paging Dr. Mike. What did koa’s co-worker get for the second time (COVID/no new respiratory virus?) in the second paragraph?

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