It is more of a personality trait than intelligence. Ivor Cummins did a survey and the INT-J personality is 2% of the population and over 20% of the refusniks. We INT-J's question authority obsessively. INF-J were a close second. Together those 2 of 16 personality types make up almost half the refusniks (40%). INF-P and INT-P round out t…
It is more of a personality trait than intelligence. Ivor Cummins did a survey and the INT-J personality is 2% of the population and over 20% of the refusniks. We INT-J's question authority obsessively. INF-J were a close second. Together those 2 of 16 personality types make up almost half the refusniks (40%). INF-P and INT-P round out the top 4. Combined those 4 (11% of the general population) make up over half of the refusniks.
Given the ton of evidence that the scum behind this were blatantly lying, yes, it does mean that they are FUNDAMENTALLY stupid. Natural immunity is not as good as a jab tested for a few weeks (instead of 7-10 years)? They came up with something better than what evolution did over hundreds of thousands of years? Seriously? When that point started to be pushed, to me it was a case of "How stupid are you people to even listen to that garbage?" 6 feet separation? Masking? Locking up the HEALTHY population? I could go on an on. Every single shift in the narrative was just rubbing it in - "Yep, we know that you are so stupid you believe just about anything. Let's try this - see, you fell for that one too!". There is one thing that I am positive that contributed to the utter s$&t show in the Western countries - the education has been dumbed down to such a level, people should be embarrassed to show their face. Yet, you get the opposite. People on media bragging "Yeah man, I cannot do basic math". Nuff said.
Yea when they did the "natural immunity doesn't count" I figured "If they believe that they really are cult crazed jab junkies". Once they reach that point adherence to the cult, even to the point of their own death, is preferable to leaving the cult.
Call it cowardice or idiocy or whatever. At that point they cannot be reached. They are done.
In the Soviet Union some would go to the gallows still singing the praises of the revolution: "Mistakes are made but if this is what it takes for the revolution to succeed then I accept this unjust fate" type rationalizing. Stalin called them "Useful Idiots". Now they say "It's not the vax" or "It would have been worse without it". Useful idiots indeed.
Unfortunately this is literally a death cult and the acolytes do everything they to pester us. I went to a meeting without a mask and half of the staff were upset at me because I was putting them at risk as I have refused all jabs. All of them have had Covid at least once whereas I have not had it yet (or if I did, I could not even tell that I had it) and they knew this. Hence, I told them where to stick their nonsense and I pointed out that they had the option of doing the meeting via Zoom. They expected me to go! I did not and I found it hard not to laugh at their idiocy during the 40 minutes we were in that room. I bet some of them went and tested themselves after the meeting especially as this was a small, poorly ventilated room. I cannot wait for the next meeting to see how many turn up. Absolute Idiocracy world.
Except a lot of people don't much care if they will listen now.
Once you tell people: "Look, you fell for it. Get over it. It doesn't mean you are stupid, it means you may have a personality defect." they start to walk away disgusted, angry, but silent.
You're correct IMO. I think maybe they have to be given some way to save face and neither telling them that they are dumb nor telling them that they are f-cked up will do that. Maybe they need to be helped to conclude that it's because they think the best of people that they didn't realise they were being lied to.
Umm, sorry but they do not want to be helped. Believe me, I tried and all I got was scorn and hostility. My approach was to bring in some facts from the legacy media itself, as in, "Hey did you see that segment on the boosters? Now they changed their point to X and Y. That does not make any sense, does it?". Result? They start to say that has been debunked, not true, those are not then true experts and so on. When I show them more evidence, in my experience, they get really angry and that is it. If they were angry because they realized they had been conned, they would have stopped getting more jabs. The lot I talked to, did not.
OCPD get really angry when you show them evidence that that they are wrong. People tried it with Hitler (a biological female, based on analysis of bone fragments with a tight chain of custody that were taken to Moscow at Stalin's direction) and she didn't appreciate it!
Yeah, go ahead and give that a try in global doubledown land. lol
They are all the epitome of the average Scorpio, ..... one who will continue to argue, .. even after they realize they are as wrong as the day is long.
I do not see any mechanism that might bring them to the conclusion that they are wrong, or even that it is not their fault because they were lied to. No, they are married to their misconceptions, because being incorrect, to them, is totally unacceptable.
I mean, you might have to peel their eyelids back and stuff their heads into an open pit mass grave, ... and they will still spout off about correlation/causation, etc. lmao
As soon as I hear the word "Debunked", I know that any amount of effort will be totally wasted time. I don't have the time to instruct them about investigating the FactChecker/Debunker scams and who finances them. Debunk industry is the epitome of circle-jerk.
I have even added Debunked to my ever lengthening list of played out words that no longer have meaning. lol It is an entertaining list.
I've not had much success in red pilling many of them. It's like trying to deprogram a terrorist. Neurosurgery may be required. But to do that would require they have a functioning brain. Not that I have any idea as to whether or not he's guilty but a lot of them remind me of Bryan Kohberger. I'm sure he's probably vaxxed. See my comment below on OCPD.
lol "Deprogramming" made me think of an old SNL skit with Dan Akroyd where he plays a Deprogrammer, attempting to deprogram a teenager played by Lorraine Newman by repeating the words Led Zeppelin" over and over again. I doubt Dan had much success either. lol
I don't know who has the "personality defect", us or them? But I do know that if I'm the one with the defect I'm damn glad I got it. It keeps my survival instinct sharp.
Guido and Miko and you have made very good points. I strongly suspect a big part of the problem is OCPD. It's thought to be the most common PD of serial killers, so it's definitely a defect. It's common in the military, law enforcement and academics. They're control freaks. Try working under one. They get off on instilling fear in subordinates. Unfortunately it appears to be common in jab zealots.
Thanks for that link! As a refusing INTP, I asked myself the question, which type was most prone to it and is overrepresented. Yeah, its not a matter of just knowledge or (general) naivity or gullibility. I figured most extroverts (basically all of the eight typs) fell for it, because of otherwise given the unability to attend social events and (fear from) exclusion from peers, family, colleagues and society as a whole. But there a differences even between them.
What I think we are up against is OCPD. It's a big part of the reason for the bureaupathology of the vaccine advocates: Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder (OCPD), which is common in the military, where those with the condition tend to be rapidly promoted (e.g., Colonel Russell Williams, convicted serial killer and former Commanding Officer of Canada's largest airforce base), law enforcement (e. g., Derek Chauvin, Idaho killings suspect Bryan Kohberger), academia and serial killers appears also to be common in public health bureaucrats. OCPD is a disorder of overcontrol. When dialled up, it's similar to psychopathy, with which it is often comorbid. It's characterised by, among other things, self-righteousness, tyrannical or dictatorial tendencies, perfectionism (especially WRT expectations of others), neatness ("serial killer neat"), punctuality, the ability to dial down or turn off empathy, perspective shifting deficits, rigidity, overconscientious and enjoyment of creating fear in subordinates. It has links to sadism. People with the condition are functionally rigid, stubborn and tend to think they are "always right" and that there is only one correct way of doing things, which is their way. Hitler and Ghandi are good examples. They are angered when they don't get their own way and are overconcerned with ethics and morality. (Hitler was vegetarian and Bryan Kohberger is vegan.) OCPD individuals are annoyed when proven to be wrong and they double down on their mistakes. Because of their perspective shifting deficits they have trouble with alternative hypothesis generation and are unsuited to be scientists. They are also unsuited for management roles and unsuited to be public health bureaucrats although, due to attention to detail, can make good accountants. A big part of their problem is their perspective taking deficits and cognitive distortions and fallacies in their reasoning. They can do well on tasks requiring attention to detail but they can't readily adjust their perspective to identify and correct for weaknesses in theory or methodology. They tend to rise to the top in ethics councils, professional associations, regulatory bodies and the military as well as, it appears, the public health bureaucracy. Present them with evidence of vaccine harms and individuals with OCPD can't adjust their perspective or admit their mistakes and instead they just double down, and then seek revenge. Because it's an egosyntonic disorder they have no idea of how f-cked up they are and how much harm they cause. To further understand OCPD, consider the following description of Anthony Fauci by Scott Sturman M.D: "The mindset of Field Marshal Douglas Haig, World War I’s worst general, springs to mind, when drawing a comparison to Anthony Fauci. By some historical accounts Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig bears the distinction of WWI’s worst general. He rose to Commander of British Expeditionary Forces and led Allied armies during the slaughter and futility at the battles of the Somme and Passchendaele. Known for his self confidence and inflexibility, he repeatedly ordered soldiers over the top to “no man’s land” and into the path of German machine guns. No number of casualties or unachieved objectives could dissuade him from his singular approach to combat. Nigel Davies, historian and educator, points out that General Haig was emblematic of the chateau general - dictating and directing but far removed from the battlefield: They were Chateau Generals in approach and in attitude. They drew lines on maps without adequately considering the terrain, issued impossible instructions without looking at the state of the ground, and ran completely inadequate communications that were far from capable of keeping track of, or controlling, a modern battlefield. In a similar respect, despite his academic and professional accomplishments, Dr. Anthony Fauci has no background or experience in clinical medicine and is ill equipped to lead the SARS-CoV-2 response. His purview is that of a research scientist and entrenched bureaucrat, who is far removed from patient contact. His career is enmeshed with the pharmaceutical industry, whose financial ties with federal medical regulatory institutions are well described. Throughout his career he has denied patients easily accessible, inexpensive, and effective treatments in lieu of patented medications with high risk profiles and of dubious efficacy. In 1987 despite overwhelming clinical evidence, he told AIDS activists that the prophylactic use of the common antibiotic Bactrim to treat pneumocystis carnii pneumonia was ineffective and possibly dangerous. Through private donations the company Lymphomed circumvented the NIAID and conducted successful clinical trials. The delay cost the lives of nearly 17,000 immunocompromised patients."
You make a good point but I think it's also similar to the groupthink that happened 20 years ago with the WMDs in Iraq scam. That was an IQ test too. Nobody with 2 intact neurons to rub together believed it for a nanosecond. Getting sucked in by BS and propaganda is not an indicator of ability to reason.
LOL. I fell for the second Iraq war. It wasn't the dog and pony show, I thought that was BS, but the original inspectors (Blix I think) found equipment labelled "smallpox" and everything else you can think of.
The book "The Demon in the Freezer" covers a lot of it.
Six months later with zip to show I was really pissed off at myself. Good wake up call for me.
It is more of a personality trait than intelligence. Ivor Cummins did a survey and the INT-J personality is 2% of the population and over 20% of the refusniks. We INT-J's question authority obsessively. INF-J were a close second. Together those 2 of 16 personality types make up almost half the refusniks (40%). INF-P and INT-P round out the top 4. Combined those 4 (11% of the general population) make up over half of the refusniks.
https://nakedemperor.substack.com/p/a-little-psychological-experiment-5a4
Very basic survey and not a study but it would explain a lot.
Once you tell people: "Look, you fell for it. Get over it. It doesn't mean you are stupid." they start to listen.
Given the ton of evidence that the scum behind this were blatantly lying, yes, it does mean that they are FUNDAMENTALLY stupid. Natural immunity is not as good as a jab tested for a few weeks (instead of 7-10 years)? They came up with something better than what evolution did over hundreds of thousands of years? Seriously? When that point started to be pushed, to me it was a case of "How stupid are you people to even listen to that garbage?" 6 feet separation? Masking? Locking up the HEALTHY population? I could go on an on. Every single shift in the narrative was just rubbing it in - "Yep, we know that you are so stupid you believe just about anything. Let's try this - see, you fell for that one too!". There is one thing that I am positive that contributed to the utter s$&t show in the Western countries - the education has been dumbed down to such a level, people should be embarrassed to show their face. Yet, you get the opposite. People on media bragging "Yeah man, I cannot do basic math". Nuff said.
Yea when they did the "natural immunity doesn't count" I figured "If they believe that they really are cult crazed jab junkies". Once they reach that point adherence to the cult, even to the point of their own death, is preferable to leaving the cult.
Call it cowardice or idiocy or whatever. At that point they cannot be reached. They are done.
In the Soviet Union some would go to the gallows still singing the praises of the revolution: "Mistakes are made but if this is what it takes for the revolution to succeed then I accept this unjust fate" type rationalizing. Stalin called them "Useful Idiots". Now they say "It's not the vax" or "It would have been worse without it". Useful idiots indeed.
Unfortunately this is literally a death cult and the acolytes do everything they to pester us. I went to a meeting without a mask and half of the staff were upset at me because I was putting them at risk as I have refused all jabs. All of them have had Covid at least once whereas I have not had it yet (or if I did, I could not even tell that I had it) and they knew this. Hence, I told them where to stick their nonsense and I pointed out that they had the option of doing the meeting via Zoom. They expected me to go! I did not and I found it hard not to laugh at their idiocy during the 40 minutes we were in that room. I bet some of them went and tested themselves after the meeting especially as this was a small, poorly ventilated room. I cannot wait for the next meeting to see how many turn up. Absolute Idiocracy world.
Except a lot of people don't much care if they will listen now.
Once you tell people: "Look, you fell for it. Get over it. It doesn't mean you are stupid, it means you may have a personality defect." they start to walk away disgusted, angry, but silent.
There, I fixed it for you. lol
You're correct IMO. I think maybe they have to be given some way to save face and neither telling them that they are dumb nor telling them that they are f-cked up will do that. Maybe they need to be helped to conclude that it's because they think the best of people that they didn't realise they were being lied to.
Umm, sorry but they do not want to be helped. Believe me, I tried and all I got was scorn and hostility. My approach was to bring in some facts from the legacy media itself, as in, "Hey did you see that segment on the boosters? Now they changed their point to X and Y. That does not make any sense, does it?". Result? They start to say that has been debunked, not true, those are not then true experts and so on. When I show them more evidence, in my experience, they get really angry and that is it. If they were angry because they realized they had been conned, they would have stopped getting more jabs. The lot I talked to, did not.
OCPD get really angry when you show them evidence that that they are wrong. People tried it with Hitler (a biological female, based on analysis of bone fragments with a tight chain of custody that were taken to Moscow at Stalin's direction) and she didn't appreciate it!
Yeah, go ahead and give that a try in global doubledown land. lol
They are all the epitome of the average Scorpio, ..... one who will continue to argue, .. even after they realize they are as wrong as the day is long.
I do not see any mechanism that might bring them to the conclusion that they are wrong, or even that it is not their fault because they were lied to. No, they are married to their misconceptions, because being incorrect, to them, is totally unacceptable.
I mean, you might have to peel their eyelids back and stuff their heads into an open pit mass grave, ... and they will still spout off about correlation/causation, etc. lmao
Oh yeah, nothing will work. Their are particularly good at coming up with "explanations" as to why they are right. Pathetic.
As soon as I hear the word "Debunked", I know that any amount of effort will be totally wasted time. I don't have the time to instruct them about investigating the FactChecker/Debunker scams and who finances them. Debunk industry is the epitome of circle-jerk.
I have even added Debunked to my ever lengthening list of played out words that no longer have meaning. lol It is an entertaining list.
I've not had much success in red pilling many of them. It's like trying to deprogram a terrorist. Neurosurgery may be required. But to do that would require they have a functioning brain. Not that I have any idea as to whether or not he's guilty but a lot of them remind me of Bryan Kohberger. I'm sure he's probably vaxxed. See my comment below on OCPD.
lol "Deprogramming" made me think of an old SNL skit with Dan Akroyd where he plays a Deprogrammer, attempting to deprogram a teenager played by Lorraine Newman by repeating the words Led Zeppelin" over and over again. I doubt Dan had much success either. lol
LOL. Thanks for fixing that. No charge I assume?
I don't know who has the "personality defect", us or them? But I do know that if I'm the one with the defect I'm damn glad I got it. It keeps my survival instinct sharp.
No doubt !!
If the options are
Non- Defect - Questions nothing, believes everything, needs no evidence or proof
Or
Defect - Questions everything, believes nothing out of hand, needs to see and consider the evidence.
Then hell yes, I hope to be defective AF !!
Guido and Miko and you have made very good points. I strongly suspect a big part of the problem is OCPD. It's thought to be the most common PD of serial killers, so it's definitely a defect. It's common in the military, law enforcement and academics. They're control freaks. Try working under one. They get off on instilling fear in subordinates. Unfortunately it appears to be common in jab zealots.
Thanks for that link! As a refusing INTP, I asked myself the question, which type was most prone to it and is overrepresented. Yeah, its not a matter of just knowledge or (general) naivity or gullibility. I figured most extroverts (basically all of the eight typs) fell for it, because of otherwise given the unability to attend social events and (fear from) exclusion from peers, family, colleagues and society as a whole. But there a differences even between them.
What I think we are up against is OCPD. It's a big part of the reason for the bureaupathology of the vaccine advocates: Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder (OCPD), which is common in the military, where those with the condition tend to be rapidly promoted (e.g., Colonel Russell Williams, convicted serial killer and former Commanding Officer of Canada's largest airforce base), law enforcement (e. g., Derek Chauvin, Idaho killings suspect Bryan Kohberger), academia and serial killers appears also to be common in public health bureaucrats. OCPD is a disorder of overcontrol. When dialled up, it's similar to psychopathy, with which it is often comorbid. It's characterised by, among other things, self-righteousness, tyrannical or dictatorial tendencies, perfectionism (especially WRT expectations of others), neatness ("serial killer neat"), punctuality, the ability to dial down or turn off empathy, perspective shifting deficits, rigidity, overconscientious and enjoyment of creating fear in subordinates. It has links to sadism. People with the condition are functionally rigid, stubborn and tend to think they are "always right" and that there is only one correct way of doing things, which is their way. Hitler and Ghandi are good examples. They are angered when they don't get their own way and are overconcerned with ethics and morality. (Hitler was vegetarian and Bryan Kohberger is vegan.) OCPD individuals are annoyed when proven to be wrong and they double down on their mistakes. Because of their perspective shifting deficits they have trouble with alternative hypothesis generation and are unsuited to be scientists. They are also unsuited for management roles and unsuited to be public health bureaucrats although, due to attention to detail, can make good accountants. A big part of their problem is their perspective taking deficits and cognitive distortions and fallacies in their reasoning. They can do well on tasks requiring attention to detail but they can't readily adjust their perspective to identify and correct for weaknesses in theory or methodology. They tend to rise to the top in ethics councils, professional associations, regulatory bodies and the military as well as, it appears, the public health bureaucracy. Present them with evidence of vaccine harms and individuals with OCPD can't adjust their perspective or admit their mistakes and instead they just double down, and then seek revenge. Because it's an egosyntonic disorder they have no idea of how f-cked up they are and how much harm they cause. To further understand OCPD, consider the following description of Anthony Fauci by Scott Sturman M.D: "The mindset of Field Marshal Douglas Haig, World War I’s worst general, springs to mind, when drawing a comparison to Anthony Fauci. By some historical accounts Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig bears the distinction of WWI’s worst general. He rose to Commander of British Expeditionary Forces and led Allied armies during the slaughter and futility at the battles of the Somme and Passchendaele. Known for his self confidence and inflexibility, he repeatedly ordered soldiers over the top to “no man’s land” and into the path of German machine guns. No number of casualties or unachieved objectives could dissuade him from his singular approach to combat. Nigel Davies, historian and educator, points out that General Haig was emblematic of the chateau general - dictating and directing but far removed from the battlefield: They were Chateau Generals in approach and in attitude. They drew lines on maps without adequately considering the terrain, issued impossible instructions without looking at the state of the ground, and ran completely inadequate communications that were far from capable of keeping track of, or controlling, a modern battlefield. In a similar respect, despite his academic and professional accomplishments, Dr. Anthony Fauci has no background or experience in clinical medicine and is ill equipped to lead the SARS-CoV-2 response. His purview is that of a research scientist and entrenched bureaucrat, who is far removed from patient contact. His career is enmeshed with the pharmaceutical industry, whose financial ties with federal medical regulatory institutions are well described. Throughout his career he has denied patients easily accessible, inexpensive, and effective treatments in lieu of patented medications with high risk profiles and of dubious efficacy. In 1987 despite overwhelming clinical evidence, he told AIDS activists that the prophylactic use of the common antibiotic Bactrim to treat pneumocystis carnii pneumonia was ineffective and possibly dangerous. Through private donations the company Lymphomed circumvented the NIAID and conducted successful clinical trials. The delay cost the lives of nearly 17,000 immunocompromised patients."
You make a good point but I think it's also similar to the groupthink that happened 20 years ago with the WMDs in Iraq scam. That was an IQ test too. Nobody with 2 intact neurons to rub together believed it for a nanosecond. Getting sucked in by BS and propaganda is not an indicator of ability to reason.
As a f
Good Turkish friend said to me: “The Iraquis couldn’t make a screw!”
LOL. I fell for the second Iraq war. It wasn't the dog and pony show, I thought that was BS, but the original inspectors (Blix I think) found equipment labelled "smallpox" and everything else you can think of.
The book "The Demon in the Freezer" covers a lot of it.
Six months later with zip to show I was really pissed off at myself. Good wake up call for me.