In the Christian formulation isn't it 'an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth'? How could they ever repay the debt against the victims of their inhumane wielding of power? The damage isn't even over yet - a whole generation of children will never recover fully in psychological terms - and there is more and more evidence that the heart conditions and cancers created by the jabs will be a permanently feature for the super-boosted members of the community, as well as extra susceptibility to be infected with the newer variants (currently being 'created' in the labs). The death toll can only go on rising.
That is true, but it is very hard to imagine the dead 'turning the other cheek', and their devastated families are under no such edict as far as I have read the NT.
That's short sweet and to the point - but will be a lot more complicated than it sounds at first - for starters, every one of the collaborators will say "Who Me? Iwas just doing as I was told - I didn't know it was wrong - I really believed that jabbing and locking up healthy people was going to save the 'on-deaths door' human wrecks who were most susceptible to the virus. After all isn't that what counts? If innocent healthy people died as collateral damage, that isn't MY fault"..
I see the real problem this time round being that now the entire system is corrupt beyond redemption and so the ajudicators wont be looking at anything they've been told not to see either. All standards of decency and human compasison have been traded in for 'pieces of silver'.
Yes. You have to be alive to turn the other cheek!
Anyway, turning the other cheek to sociopaths who push this stuff will only serve to make you suffer more. Turning the other cheek works when the other side may have some compassion left. Sociopaths don't have that. So it doesn't work on them.
A full-on attack where you give no quarter and expect none and take no prisoners...now THAT is how these bastards unfortunately work :-(
I agree with most of what you say, but although my morality is deeply based in Christianity, I don't call myself a Christian and am approaching this problem from a secular point of view. When we are told 'Judge not lest ye be judged' it is not telling us to avoid looking the truth in the face when it presents itself. Currently it is pure evil staring us in the face - and to me it is not a question of being judged for whether one is a Christian or not (I don't believe that God judges by that measure - that is the old way of viewing religion, which produced nothing but quaking hypocrites) but whether you have worshipped at the altar of the Dollar instead of honesty and benevolence.
True - and as far as it goes, it can be a way to avoid escalation of violence. But the fact remains that the dead no longer have that choice i.e. to show their strength of character.
Certainly no sympathy - in my mind they are all automatons, morons, and beastly 'haters of mankind'. As you say, they didn't even have solidarity for their workmates who were ousted from their jobs. None of that could have happened if they had been united in defence of their colleagues. And anyone with even a quarter of a brain (Particularly if you are working in the so-called 'healthcare' industry) would know that forcing experimental shit on people is ALWAYS wrong.
I see a lot of non-Christians and Christian pacifists/liberals saying "turn the other cheek." Hello!!! Being slapped on the face is a minor aggression that damages the PRIDE but does no serious or permanent damage to the body. "Turn the other cheek" is not a call to pacifism or submission to abuse, but rather a call to swallowing your pride to protect you from unnecessarily escalating a situation.
To my mind, the key is whether the offender repents from his transgression. If the moral force of calling them out on what they did isn't enough to bring about repentance and reform, then all bets are off. 😉
Yeah sort of. But I find many Christians displaying that kind of attitude tho. Like Stew Peters.
I am not into Christianity and grew up in a non Christian environment. It's interesting to observe how these people interpret and apply the idea in a real life situation.
No that is not Christian. That was Old Testament only, the lex talionis. It was meant to teach the Israelites not to indulge in the blood feuds common everywhere in their world. It was an advance, at the time. But Christian behavior doesn't demand "eye for eye, tooth for tooth".
The Old Testament is also part of the Christian religion, whatever the moderating effect of the New Testament may have been. Ultimately, no code should be needed to determine whether or not 'forgiveness' is on the table for those who commit the worst crimes. A better way to settle that is by balancing the claims of the victims and their families against the claims of the 'We didn't Know Any Better" crowd. If not 'knowing' (i.e. unless you are told by something ubiquitously called 'Science' that seeing that you've injured and destroyed people by performing your 'job' is a matter you should be concerned about) is their sole defense, perhaps they are all morally and intellectually bankrupt?
I agree that a simplistic approach to 'forgiveness' using Christianity as a basis, is turning God into a simpleton. True repentance would see a miracle happen - all the black skullduggery would be replaced with genuine humanistic and creative impulses. We will not live to see that ever happen as long as the Dollar rules the psyche, so the best we can hope for is to see some genuine punishments meted out to the main players - don't hold your breath for that though - Evil has become so profitable the billionaire-money-and-power junkies can't stop shooting up.
I have found this informative video that explains why there will never be 'contrition' - the whole world is wrapped up in this spider-web of greed and vested interests - i.e. Vanguard could not thrive if ordinary people didn't hold shares etc - but everyone is forced into super and the stock market if they don't want to starve in retirement. https://www.bitchute.com/video/qQc2K92poC6w/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
First rule of legal-deniability: NEVER admit any liability or wrong-doing. Here is Australia the Government is firmly digging in its heels and expressly continuing the 'Safe and Effective' propaganda as well as the mandates - deliberately using the excess deaths data as proof of how vulnerable people are to dying from C0vid f they are not up to date with their 'Boosters'. Since this story doesn't deviate in the slightest from their original chosen narrative - no matter that it flies in the face of evidence on the ground - most sheeple just accept it at face value. I fear for that reason, that if there were to be an uprising in Australia, it would most likely focus all its anger and hatred towards the unjabbed freedom fighters.
Agreed! I am defining "forgive" as "letting go of the boiling anger and white-hot fury that we all feel". This is what we must do for our own sake. As in, our personal health. (I am speaking to myself, as a veteran prone to very dark, berserker flights of fantasy about what I would do to all these people. Not good for my health.)
Forget? Never. Prosecute to the full extent? Yes. Never Comply? Yes.
And also when it is not consciously asked for - but where you can see the other person needs it to heal - and move on.
But will these sociopaths all over the world 'heal' or 'move on' to become better people? Highly unlikely! They've mostly got pretty rotten track records...and people don't really change.
Most of these sociopaths don't need forgiveness. Not from us, anyway. They need to forgive themselves first - but I doubt many of them will achieve that in their lifetime!
It is not up to us to save these monsters. It is up to us to save ourselves.
What does it mean for the victims of crime to 'forgive' the criminals? If we are to exact justice then the word 'forgiveness' is nothing more than self-congratulatory window dressing. Forgiveness entails release from culpability - a pardon. There should NEVER be a pardon for the concerted, remorseless crimes these people have committed. Let's not forget that that death toll from this is going to far eclipse the death toll from the second world war - and will have continued consequences in terms of sterility of young people all over the world - similar to the effects of the atom bombs in Japan - except on a far greater scale. We are at the start of a tsunami of deaths, miscarriages and mental illness the likes of which have never been seen on Earth. Whereas it was thought that if you survived the clot-shots you would be ok, it is becoming known that there are long-term and permanent injuries and mutations of the human genome involved.
Sadly government in Chinada is the criminal, and has lost the moral authority to mete justice. So we must remove their legal authority. Most are power hungry and demon-possessed. The ones at the top especially. Heads should roll, but i know they won’t.
In my life I can say this I can Never NEVER Forgive or Forget to new Politics Mafia and New Hitler Nazis Politics in 21 st Century to send so many people to Dead and many destroyed there FUTURE as Vaccinated people are not being able to get back to what they were before vaccinations
Many Millions and millions out of Work unable to feed their family members
I hear your pain, because I feel it too. This IS a new Hitlerite era, even though so many people are still not recognising that. We are at the start of a major apocalypse, and we will need to muster our anger and non-compliance in order to keep their worst excesses from being easily achieved. So far, I am sad to say, not nearly enough anger or even acknowledgement of suffering, exists . People are still determined to put a positive spin on things, even if their bodies have been wrecked by jabs.
Just because you forgive a person doesn't mean you are in any way obligated to trust that person in the future. Nor does it mean (IMHO) that you don't seek to recover damages as provided by law.
To me, forgiveness mainly means clearing your mind of hatred and resentment. Mainly because those are burdens you carry, and you will benefit from putting them down. Not that I do that to anything like perfection.
Absolutely not! I agree. Forgiving is more for you to say to yourself that you understand, and the thought then no longer lingers with you to distract you from the way you want to go. It in no way makes it ok, they have to live with it, you don’t.
What you gonna do with a prisoner who repents, let him out of jail? No of course not he will still have to pull his time for his crime. We can forgive if they have a heart broken with grief for what they have done even even old george S. himself, that does not negate the fact they stand trial and if found guilty, shot, hanged, lit up, jabbed. They have to pay for their crime, here, or there. Revelation 20:11-15, hoss.
Good points. I defined "forgiveness" as letting go of personal hatred and seething anger towards these monsters. I do that for my personal health. Perhaps that is not what forgiveness means.
Regardless, I firmly believe that these mass murderers need to be executed for their crimes against humanity, whether or not the "justice" system agrees. But we can do that without hatred or anger, just quiet determination and tireless tenacity.
In truth, when the masses who've been jabbed against their will wake up to face the reality of what was done to them, the violence is going to be overwhelming.
Unfortunately, no. Most are so brainwashed, and the media so tightly controlled, the masses will never face the reality of what was done, and is being done. They'd have to actively seek out information and sources of their own volition outside of what they casually hear in passing or read in blips of headlines as they mindlessly scroll on their phones.
Strange to quote that text in support of your point. Your text shows men being judged by their works it is true, but it specifically ends with that judgment being overruled based not on any works or choice of the one being judged but only based on the character of God(I can defend the viewpoint that this 'Another book' that was opened is the 'Scroll' from ch5 that is only opened by 'the Lamb that was slain' ie the Way of the Cross, if need be)
The mercy of God is given especially to those that we think it ought not to be given to. It is to 'the poor' that the Gospel is preached, that is the last, the least, the lost, the losers.
Whether or not a prisoner ought to be released if he repents(literally 'think again' has new thoughts; a new mind in Greek and Latin), depends on why he is in prison. If he is there retributively then his state of mind makes no difference, although certainly in the case of murder, which I hope will be the charge that those responsible for the Plandemic are convicted on, I would say that sitting in a jail cell is not retribution, retribution requires their death, and I am still campaigning for a community stoning on that score. If he is there for the sake of personal rehabilitation then it makes all of the difference. If he is there for public order, ie as an example, then it is a debatable point, that is it depends on exactly what lesson is trying to be taught.
Which reason or reasons is appropriate in this life, for human justice, is no easy answer. Which reason or reasons motivates the Lord is beyond my understanding.
It's in your own text. Read it again. Judgment based on the works written in the books and then, none of it matters because of 'Another Book'-the Book of Life. Your text doesn't support your point.
Read it again. Slower and with your head less far up your ass. The text is about the Grace of God imparted to men by the Slain Lamb. Using the Gospel of Gracious Forgiveness and Remission of Sins to push your agenda of being right and condemning everyone who doesn't meet your standards, which you confuse with God's standards, is blasphemy.
' 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.'
I will expound this for you one more time since you are a horse's ass. v12 shows us books being opened. The end of v.12 tells us what was in the books-the works of the men being judged. Everyone who is judged by their works is condemned, this is Romans 3:23 and 3:26 or Galatians 2:16 or basically the whole NT. v.12 describes 'another book' being opened, the same book which is called 'the Book of Life' in v.15. 'Anyone not found', or in plainer but less poetic writing, 'No one found' written in the Book of Life received the punishment, being thrown into the Lake of Fire, which judgment by his works, recorded in the previous books merited. When you don't get what you are rightly judged to deserve because something intervenes, we refer to that colloquially as, the judgment being overruled.
I have treated you as a sincere, but idiotic, partner in this conversation but it is beginning to be clear that you are a deliberate troll. You seem more interested in having the last word than in seeing or declaring the truth, so I will let you have the last word. So please, provide me one more third rate, dismissive, rejoinder and let's close the book on this conversation. My only regret is that I haven't helped you to see that God and His Gospel are greater than you suspect and that the simple legalism you spread about is poisonous garbage and an insult to My Lord and His Grace.
It does not say book of life! Read it slowly it does not say book of life. Read it slowly and carefully it does not say book of life. It is not called The Book of Life!
Read v15 slowly and carefully. It uses those exact words, or are you incapable of connecting v12 with v15? You introduced this text, do you even know what it is talking about?
Jean Calvin said something to this effect(I don't have book, chapter, and verse handy and don't care to look it up anyway it would have been either French or Latin which might serve as a clue as to why your nitpicking about the words of the Scripture is so asinine), 'I learned long ago that those who argue about words have a hidden poison in them and that it is better to deliberately draw them out than to court their favor with obscure language'
As christians we forgive, no strings attached. Jesus, on the cross, forgave his persecutors.
But there is also the matter of the laws of the land. The laws of probably most countries have biblical laws and principles as their basis. The law must follow its course.
Forgiving is an act by the affected party that frees him/her from the power that the perpetrator holds over him/her. Application of the laws in question is necessary to reward the perpetrator for his/her acts and to demonstrate to society how criminals are dealt with.
Agreed, and that seems to be the case across the world. Before justice is served something else has to happen. We, our side, are so civil. We demonstrate mostly peacefully and we talk while the Lauterbachs transgress the law and kill. When the masses are pushed into a corner just enough they may lose their civility. Before that happens more people need to wake up.
As Igor suggested, the question of repeating the behavior is crucial to the question of forgiveness. The Lord said, 'If someone strikes you let him strike the other cheek.', He never said let a madman run around hitting your grandmama and your children. And, really, no Christian has ever seriously proposed that forgiveness has anything to do with that situation.
It might be worth noting that Apostolic morality despite all of their lovely things to say about forgiveness was rather severe. They seemed quite comfortable with the Lord striking down Christians for lying(Ananias and Sapphira Acts ch5) or believers being struck with sickness(1 Corinthians 11). If someone says that they only approved of the Lord taking vengeance I point to Matthew 18, which specifically deprives violators of the protection of religion, generally understood to then leave them to the just punishment of their actions. Every Christian society has practiced some sort of discipline, most agreed that church councils could impose any penalty short of death and for that turned them over to the state.
I hope that when the time comes for justice that the emasculated, fluffy modern christianity will stay at home or keep its mouth shut that day and we can have something more historical and sensible, or we could trust the unbelievers to get that right, their track record lately is truly inspiring.*rolls eyes*
A lot of Christians have never opened a bible, let alone thought about what it actually says. Interpretations from the pulpit are good enough for them. Love your last sentence!!!
They.ve all been promised a place at the banquet table of the Globalists - If they knew anything of history, they would know that running dogs are always disposed of as soon as they have outlived their usefulness, in case they get too big for their boots and turn on the hands that fed them.
Yes. In the Christian formulation, a person is forgiven only if they repent from what they did.
Forgive them for your own benefit and health. And then, with a clear head and heart, hold them accountable for their crimes against humanity. Period.
Amen to Coldwaterman. Spiritual forgiveness is personal.
Crimes commented are a matter of man-made laws which have man-made penalties. We have processes to deal with those involved in crimes and murder.
He should as God for forgiveness.
One this is sure, "And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment" Hebrews Chapter 9.
You have it right George. Even if one of these completely repented, he would have to face A criminal court.
Judges might take it into account, but wouldn't need to.
In this case, mass murder using the state to do so? You don't get worse.
Throw in mass murder of children...
In the Christian formulation isn't it 'an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth'? How could they ever repay the debt against the victims of their inhumane wielding of power? The damage isn't even over yet - a whole generation of children will never recover fully in psychological terms - and there is more and more evidence that the heart conditions and cancers created by the jabs will be a permanently feature for the super-boosted members of the community, as well as extra susceptibility to be infected with the newer variants (currently being 'created' in the labs). The death toll can only go on rising.
"An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" is the pre-Christian, Old Testament approach. Jesus presented a new approach.
That is true, but it is very hard to imagine the dead 'turning the other cheek', and their devastated families are under no such edict as far as I have read the NT.
No problem. We'll forgive them after we hang them. New Testament says: " As you sow, so shall you reap"
We will help them reap what they deserve.
That's short sweet and to the point - but will be a lot more complicated than it sounds at first - for starters, every one of the collaborators will say "Who Me? Iwas just doing as I was told - I didn't know it was wrong - I really believed that jabbing and locking up healthy people was going to save the 'on-deaths door' human wrecks who were most susceptible to the virus. After all isn't that what counts? If innocent healthy people died as collateral damage, that isn't MY fault"..
The Nuremburg Defense!
Didn't work out well for them.
I see the real problem this time round being that now the entire system is corrupt beyond redemption and so the ajudicators wont be looking at anything they've been told not to see either. All standards of decency and human compasison have been traded in for 'pieces of silver'.
Yes!
Yes. You have to be alive to turn the other cheek!
Anyway, turning the other cheek to sociopaths who push this stuff will only serve to make you suffer more. Turning the other cheek works when the other side may have some compassion left. Sociopaths don't have that. So it doesn't work on them.
A full-on attack where you give no quarter and expect none and take no prisoners...now THAT is how these bastards unfortunately work :-(
Also yes!
I agree with most of what you say, but although my morality is deeply based in Christianity, I don't call myself a Christian and am approaching this problem from a secular point of view. When we are told 'Judge not lest ye be judged' it is not telling us to avoid looking the truth in the face when it presents itself. Currently it is pure evil staring us in the face - and to me it is not a question of being judged for whether one is a Christian or not (I don't believe that God judges by that measure - that is the old way of viewing religion, which produced nothing but quaking hypocrites) but whether you have worshipped at the altar of the Dollar instead of honesty and benevolence.
True - and as far as it goes, it can be a way to avoid escalation of violence. But the fact remains that the dead no longer have that choice i.e. to show their strength of character.
Certainly no sympathy - in my mind they are all automatons, morons, and beastly 'haters of mankind'. As you say, they didn't even have solidarity for their workmates who were ousted from their jobs. None of that could have happened if they had been united in defence of their colleagues. And anyone with even a quarter of a brain (Particularly if you are working in the so-called 'healthcare' industry) would know that forcing experimental shit on people is ALWAYS wrong.
No amnesty.
Amnesty ain't yours to give Username. Send them a package of cookies if you want.
They need to hang.
I see a lot of non-Christians and Christian pacifists/liberals saying "turn the other cheek." Hello!!! Being slapped on the face is a minor aggression that damages the PRIDE but does no serious or permanent damage to the body. "Turn the other cheek" is not a call to pacifism or submission to abuse, but rather a call to swallowing your pride to protect you from unnecessarily escalating a situation.
To my mind, the key is whether the offender repents from his transgression. If the moral force of calling them out on what they did isn't enough to bring about repentance and reform, then all bets are off. 😉
The death penalty is Catholic teaching
Hamurabbi Code.
The golden rule.
Actually death penalty is sanctioned, even necessary. Catholic Church, Pope Saint Pius V has good writings on this.
Yeah sort of. But I find many Christians displaying that kind of attitude tho. Like Stew Peters.
I am not into Christianity and grew up in a non Christian environment. It's interesting to observe how these people interpret and apply the idea in a real life situation.
No that is not Christian. That was Old Testament only, the lex talionis. It was meant to teach the Israelites not to indulge in the blood feuds common everywhere in their world. It was an advance, at the time. But Christian behavior doesn't demand "eye for eye, tooth for tooth".
The Old Testament is also part of the Christian religion, whatever the moderating effect of the New Testament may have been. Ultimately, no code should be needed to determine whether or not 'forgiveness' is on the table for those who commit the worst crimes. A better way to settle that is by balancing the claims of the victims and their families against the claims of the 'We didn't Know Any Better" crowd. If not 'knowing' (i.e. unless you are told by something ubiquitously called 'Science' that seeing that you've injured and destroyed people by performing your 'job' is a matter you should be concerned about) is their sole defense, perhaps they are all morally and intellectually bankrupt?
I agree that a simplistic approach to 'forgiveness' using Christianity as a basis, is turning God into a simpleton. True repentance would see a miracle happen - all the black skullduggery would be replaced with genuine humanistic and creative impulses. We will not live to see that ever happen as long as the Dollar rules the psyche, so the best we can hope for is to see some genuine punishments meted out to the main players - don't hold your breath for that though - Evil has become so profitable the billionaire-money-and-power junkies can't stop shooting up.
I have found this informative video that explains why there will never be 'contrition' - the whole world is wrapped up in this spider-web of greed and vested interests - i.e. Vanguard could not thrive if ordinary people didn't hold shares etc - but everyone is forced into super and the stock market if they don't want to starve in retirement. https://www.bitchute.com/video/qQc2K92poC6w/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
Actually the demands of grace are much more. Jesus did not nullify the Law, he came to fulfill it. (Matthew 5:17-20)
Yes, this is a unique situation: repenting and/or paying for such a crime that it continues unabated. Legal opinions?
First rule of legal-deniability: NEVER admit any liability or wrong-doing. Here is Australia the Government is firmly digging in its heels and expressly continuing the 'Safe and Effective' propaganda as well as the mandates - deliberately using the excess deaths data as proof of how vulnerable people are to dying from C0vid f they are not up to date with their 'Boosters'. Since this story doesn't deviate in the slightest from their original chosen narrative - no matter that it flies in the face of evidence on the ground - most sheeple just accept it at face value. I fear for that reason, that if there were to be an uprising in Australia, it would most likely focus all its anger and hatred towards the unjabbed freedom fighters.
Forgive its ok. FORGET NEVER. And forgiveness has nothing to do with sending them to jail when that's where these people belong. Send fauci too
Agreed! I am defining "forgive" as "letting go of the boiling anger and white-hot fury that we all feel". This is what we must do for our own sake. As in, our personal health. (I am speaking to myself, as a veteran prone to very dark, berserker flights of fantasy about what I would do to all these people. Not good for my health.)
Forget? Never. Prosecute to the full extent? Yes. Never Comply? Yes.
Righteous anger wins the day. Time for forgiveness comes later.
Only that way can we renew and strengthen codes of behaviour that can prevent this evil. Banish it!
Forgive only when forgiveness is asked for
And also when it is not consciously asked for - but where you can see the other person needs it to heal - and move on.
But will these sociopaths all over the world 'heal' or 'move on' to become better people? Highly unlikely! They've mostly got pretty rotten track records...and people don't really change.
Most of these sociopaths don't need forgiveness. Not from us, anyway. They need to forgive themselves first - but I doubt many of them will achieve that in their lifetime!
It is not up to us to save these monsters. It is up to us to save ourselves.
Not exactly. We forgive, period. But that doesn't mean we don't confront where possible and demand justice.
What does it mean for the victims of crime to 'forgive' the criminals? If we are to exact justice then the word 'forgiveness' is nothing more than self-congratulatory window dressing. Forgiveness entails release from culpability - a pardon. There should NEVER be a pardon for the concerted, remorseless crimes these people have committed. Let's not forget that that death toll from this is going to far eclipse the death toll from the second world war - and will have continued consequences in terms of sterility of young people all over the world - similar to the effects of the atom bombs in Japan - except on a far greater scale. We are at the start of a tsunami of deaths, miscarriages and mental illness the likes of which have never been seen on Earth. Whereas it was thought that if you survived the clot-shots you would be ok, it is becoming known that there are long-term and permanent injuries and mutations of the human genome involved.
The victims aren't exacting justice. The government is.
And people can still call for execution without hatred. One reason is to stop future acts
Sadly government in Chinada is the criminal, and has lost the moral authority to mete justice. So we must remove their legal authority. Most are power hungry and demon-possessed. The ones at the top especially. Heads should roll, but i know they won’t.
In my life I can say this I can Never NEVER Forgive or Forget to new Politics Mafia and New Hitler Nazis Politics in 21 st Century to send so many people to Dead and many destroyed there FUTURE as Vaccinated people are not being able to get back to what they were before vaccinations
Many Millions and millions out of Work unable to feed their family members
All these idiots are destroying human dignity
Send these idiots to Heal for goods
Amen
I hear your pain, because I feel it too. This IS a new Hitlerite era, even though so many people are still not recognising that. We are at the start of a major apocalypse, and we will need to muster our anger and non-compliance in order to keep their worst excesses from being easily achieved. So far, I am sad to say, not nearly enough anger or even acknowledgement of suffering, exists . People are still determined to put a positive spin on things, even if their bodies have been wrecked by jabs.
They need some public humiliation and to be divested of their ill gotten gains.
It won't change them all being dirty, rotten scoundrels, but it will make their climb to the top again quite difficult without material support.
If he wants to be forgiven, let him reveal everything that he knows about the criminal conspiracy.
This is what I had in mind:
"If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him." -- Luke 17:3
Oh they’ll repent.....then they’ll do it again 2025.
Just because you forgive a person doesn't mean you are in any way obligated to trust that person in the future. Nor does it mean (IMHO) that you don't seek to recover damages as provided by law.
To me, forgiveness mainly means clearing your mind of hatred and resentment. Mainly because those are burdens you carry, and you will benefit from putting them down. Not that I do that to anything like perfection.
Absolutely not! I agree. Forgiving is more for you to say to yourself that you understand, and the thought then no longer lingers with you to distract you from the way you want to go. It in no way makes it ok, they have to live with it, you don’t.
The government will put them to feath.
And we should all pray not to hate.
But this is business... So it won't happen again
What you gonna do with a prisoner who repents, let him out of jail? No of course not he will still have to pull his time for his crime. We can forgive if they have a heart broken with grief for what they have done even even old george S. himself, that does not negate the fact they stand trial and if found guilty, shot, hanged, lit up, jabbed. They have to pay for their crime, here, or there. Revelation 20:11-15, hoss.
Good points. I defined "forgiveness" as letting go of personal hatred and seething anger towards these monsters. I do that for my personal health. Perhaps that is not what forgiveness means.
Regardless, I firmly believe that these mass murderers need to be executed for their crimes against humanity, whether or not the "justice" system agrees. But we can do that without hatred or anger, just quiet determination and tireless tenacity.
In truth, when the masses who've been jabbed against their will wake up to face the reality of what was done to them, the violence is going to be overwhelming.
They are going to be mad and in their wrath looking for blood!
Unfortunately, no. Most are so brainwashed, and the media so tightly controlled, the masses will never face the reality of what was done, and is being done. They'd have to actively seek out information and sources of their own volition outside of what they casually hear in passing or read in blips of headlines as they mindlessly scroll on their phones.
Strange to quote that text in support of your point. Your text shows men being judged by their works it is true, but it specifically ends with that judgment being overruled based not on any works or choice of the one being judged but only based on the character of God(I can defend the viewpoint that this 'Another book' that was opened is the 'Scroll' from ch5 that is only opened by 'the Lamb that was slain' ie the Way of the Cross, if need be)
The mercy of God is given especially to those that we think it ought not to be given to. It is to 'the poor' that the Gospel is preached, that is the last, the least, the lost, the losers.
Whether or not a prisoner ought to be released if he repents(literally 'think again' has new thoughts; a new mind in Greek and Latin), depends on why he is in prison. If he is there retributively then his state of mind makes no difference, although certainly in the case of murder, which I hope will be the charge that those responsible for the Plandemic are convicted on, I would say that sitting in a jail cell is not retribution, retribution requires their death, and I am still campaigning for a community stoning on that score. If he is there for the sake of personal rehabilitation then it makes all of the difference. If he is there for public order, ie as an example, then it is a debatable point, that is it depends on exactly what lesson is trying to be taught.
Which reason or reasons is appropriate in this life, for human justice, is no easy answer. Which reason or reasons motivates the Lord is beyond my understanding.
What are you talking about being overruled? What scripture are you using, book, chapter, verse?
It's in your own text. Read it again. Judgment based on the works written in the books and then, none of it matters because of 'Another Book'-the Book of Life. Your text doesn't support your point.
It does not say Book'-the book of life. Try again.
Read it again. Slower and with your head less far up your ass. The text is about the Grace of God imparted to men by the Slain Lamb. Using the Gospel of Gracious Forgiveness and Remission of Sins to push your agenda of being right and condemning everyone who doesn't meet your standards, which you confuse with God's standards, is blasphemy.
Book, chapter, verse, back it up with Book, chapter, verse, or move along!
' 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.'
I will expound this for you one more time since you are a horse's ass. v12 shows us books being opened. The end of v.12 tells us what was in the books-the works of the men being judged. Everyone who is judged by their works is condemned, this is Romans 3:23 and 3:26 or Galatians 2:16 or basically the whole NT. v.12 describes 'another book' being opened, the same book which is called 'the Book of Life' in v.15. 'Anyone not found', or in plainer but less poetic writing, 'No one found' written in the Book of Life received the punishment, being thrown into the Lake of Fire, which judgment by his works, recorded in the previous books merited. When you don't get what you are rightly judged to deserve because something intervenes, we refer to that colloquially as, the judgment being overruled.
I have treated you as a sincere, but idiotic, partner in this conversation but it is beginning to be clear that you are a deliberate troll. You seem more interested in having the last word than in seeing or declaring the truth, so I will let you have the last word. So please, provide me one more third rate, dismissive, rejoinder and let's close the book on this conversation. My only regret is that I haven't helped you to see that God and His Gospel are greater than you suspect and that the simple legalism you spread about is poisonous garbage and an insult to My Lord and His Grace.
It does not say book of life! Read it slowly it does not say book of life. Read it slowly and carefully it does not say book of life. It is not called The Book of Life!
Read v15 slowly and carefully. It uses those exact words, or are you incapable of connecting v12 with v15? You introduced this text, do you even know what it is talking about?
Jean Calvin said something to this effect(I don't have book, chapter, and verse handy and don't care to look it up anyway it would have been either French or Latin which might serve as a clue as to why your nitpicking about the words of the Scripture is so asinine), 'I learned long ago that those who argue about words have a hidden poison in them and that it is better to deliberately draw them out than to court their favor with obscure language'
As christians we forgive, no strings attached. Jesus, on the cross, forgave his persecutors.
But there is also the matter of the laws of the land. The laws of probably most countries have biblical laws and principles as their basis. The law must follow its course.
Forgiving is an act by the affected party that frees him/her from the power that the perpetrator holds over him/her. Application of the laws in question is necessary to reward the perpetrator for his/her acts and to demonstrate to society how criminals are dealt with.
That doesn't work out so well when all the judges are bought! :-(
Agreed, and that seems to be the case across the world. Before justice is served something else has to happen. We, our side, are so civil. We demonstrate mostly peacefully and we talk while the Lauterbachs transgress the law and kill. When the masses are pushed into a corner just enough they may lose their civility. Before that happens more people need to wake up.
As Igor suggested, the question of repeating the behavior is crucial to the question of forgiveness. The Lord said, 'If someone strikes you let him strike the other cheek.', He never said let a madman run around hitting your grandmama and your children. And, really, no Christian has ever seriously proposed that forgiveness has anything to do with that situation.
It might be worth noting that Apostolic morality despite all of their lovely things to say about forgiveness was rather severe. They seemed quite comfortable with the Lord striking down Christians for lying(Ananias and Sapphira Acts ch5) or believers being struck with sickness(1 Corinthians 11). If someone says that they only approved of the Lord taking vengeance I point to Matthew 18, which specifically deprives violators of the protection of religion, generally understood to then leave them to the just punishment of their actions. Every Christian society has practiced some sort of discipline, most agreed that church councils could impose any penalty short of death and for that turned them over to the state.
I hope that when the time comes for justice that the emasculated, fluffy modern christianity will stay at home or keep its mouth shut that day and we can have something more historical and sensible, or we could trust the unbelievers to get that right, their track record lately is truly inspiring.*rolls eyes*
Great comment.
A lot of Christians have never opened a bible, let alone thought about what it actually says. Interpretations from the pulpit are good enough for them. Love your last sentence!!!
Repentance requires redress.
You talking about Christ and forgiveness?
No. The Lord attends to His own affairs. I do not presume.
For 'repentance' in this context, read 'apology'.
Those first to speak contritely have a chance to come clean. The hour is late.
I expected legislators to walk across the House of Commons over this long ago. Weak socialist bastards of the party of Evil.
They.ve all been promised a place at the banquet table of the Globalists - If they knew anything of history, they would know that running dogs are always disposed of as soon as they have outlived their usefulness, in case they get too big for their boots and turn on the hands that fed them.
"running dogs" .. an excellent expression too many have forgotten.