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forceOfHabit's avatar

I think you're probably wrong about the seriousness of omicron, but I applaud your approach. Building a model and then checking it against incoming data: this is how science is done. If only somebody had taught Fauci and the other Branch Covidians this simple lesson...

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Igor Chudov's avatar

Yeah, thanks, if I am wrong and Omicron ends up being extremely mild, I will be very happy.

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Becky's avatar

South Africa’s death count is really climbing now, from their case peak Dec 16-18

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Igor Chudov's avatar

And it is highly disturbing!

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Manketell's avatar

So what happens, does their cold just continue to worsen until they have to go to the hospital?

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Igor Chudov's avatar

I actually would like to know what happens to them, so far I heard nothing.

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Duchess's avatar

Can I say " oh crap" as a general expression of dismay?

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Excellent

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Vxi7's avatar

Could you provide some reference for this? Thank you

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Becky's avatar

Google “South Africa covid” and click the “deaths” tab at the top of the graph

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Fast Eddy's avatar

It's looking like Igor is right. The deaths are starting....

Of course we can ignore that data and swallow the MSM assertion that omicron is a nothing burger... but remember - the MSM told us two shots and we'd be immune to covid... and that the pandemic would end....

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Igor Chudov's avatar

Omicron is Vax Failure... Saying it is mild covers it up... They will try to hide deaths also

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Manketell's avatar

I have a friend right now who has had a cold for three weeks. He came down with it just after his booster shot 💉. He still sounds bad. I'm starting to worry. Also, his wife got a booster and her rheumatoid came back. She had been in remission for years.

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HardeeHo's avatar

Just after the booster when his defenses were lowest. Great idea.

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Matt's avatar

I really don't see much reason for concern, S. A's all-cause deaths are slightly elevated, about 12.5k per week right now, with a low of 10k before Omicron. Compare that to 25k per week during their Beta wave and over 20k during Delta. Unless we see a sudden explosion of deaths, Omicron is indeed milder.

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HardeeHo's avatar

Watch the lag. SA is just now seeing the wave from mid Dec.

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Susan BozeMom's avatar

And for yet another anecdote...my 86 year old father and 79 yo mom just cleared Omicron in 48 hours with preventative treatment and the early treatment prescribed by FLCCC Thyson and Fareed, Zelenko and McCullough. Their honesty and integrity is priceless and I thank them.

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Alex R. Berg's avatar

Unvaxxed?

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Susan BozeMom's avatar

They had one dose spring 2021. No boosters and instead chose preventative protocol of vitamins D,C,Zinc, quercetin and their normal vitamin regimen. They exercise regularly and manage their weight well. My father managed and resolved without moving to active virus treatment. My mom had recently had surgery for hip replacements....so she chose to add IVM.....once symptomatic. resolved quickly.

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Susan BozeMom's avatar

Also friends late 50s....male a bit heavy. Otherwise no comorbidities.... Unvaxxed. Were on protocols with IVM preventative dose and nasal irrigation, then full Imask protocol from FLCC once symptomatic. Omicron over christmas (assumed) and cleared in 5 days fully....

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

Negative vaccine efficiency: UK, Denmark, & iirc Canada & Israel, have moved into negative territory over the last few weeks. Iow, per their own data, hospitalizations & deaths are at a higher rate among the vaxxed than the unvaxxed. The divergence has been increasing & I expect will continue to grow ad omicron makes its way through.

Considering that unless spelled out, some aren't even counted as vaxxed without boosters, the difference in case & death rates between the 2 groups is even larger than it appears.

In one study I saw, they were split, showing a clear trend: the more jabs, the higher the case & death rates.

This speaks not to the virulence of the pathogen, but to AOS, immune system damage & host systems weakened by the jabs.

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Igor Chudov's avatar

You are 100% correct. Omicron is "vax failure"

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

Not just failure to prevent. Jabbed are more likely to be infected, hospitalized & die.

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Igor Chudov's avatar

yep

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Duchess's avatar

Another respectful "oh crap" which is my expression of dismay in hearing this news This is looking not good at all....

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InMyOpn's avatar

Are there any hypotheses in the arena that omicron interacts with the products of the inoculations such as omicron spike produced by certain cells or with a particular pattern of immune system reaction to the inoculations? I'm not precisely sure what I'm asking. It is in the back of my mind that, in a nefarious world, the shots and omicron are two parts of a system in some manner. I don't know. Thank you for your analyses.

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ISL's avatar

I do wonder how much of the negative efficacy of vaccines is from induced co-morbidities which are not assessed. Myocarditis is a fairly common mRNA vaccine outcome, but the non-stop safe propaganda likely leads many with mild symptoms (myocarditis is not mild, ever!) not to seek-out medical advice and thus remain with an undiagnosed comorbidity.

Given that most people are asymptomatic, a co-morbidity greatly increases the likelihood of detection.

Note, the data continues to be consistent with OAS - Original Antigenic Sin - amplification of disease due to training the immune system on a narrow (20s) number of spike protein - natural immunity (and Sinovac) train the immune system on around 200+, I think.

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Matt's avatar

Can you provide the studies here? Edit: N/M, links were provided in other comments.

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Chris's avatar

Um, the first chart doesn't even Haved Nov/Dec on it.

It is now January.. We are following UK.

I see Delta in your first chart.

My experience with Omni cold as I type I am Omni positive.

Here is a paste I posted to another thread about my experience so far;

Personally I had 2 Maderna shots back when they told me it was 95% efficacy and it was a true vaccine and I would never have to wear a mask.. Another way to say that is.. MY GOVERNMENT LIED TO ME. (no fucking booster(s) for me)

Today 1/9/22 is about my third day with the Omni cold..(hopefully Steve Kirsch's hunch of resetting your Vaxed immune system turn out to be true)

Sadly, I had to do my own research since my doctors hands are tied (Fouck Fouci-#LGB) . When I talk to them they see I am now more educated than them.. My Doctor Even admitted that to me. (after she heard me explain Therapeutics stuff to her)

Anyway, glad I found Dr Zelenko.. I have been on his protocol, I had a fever for one night.. It got up to 101 and then it was gone.

Basically, I feel like I had an old school bad flu for a week in bed.. And then that flu broke and it is about 3 or 4 days after I got out of the house not sick.(you know your feeling better but still feel the affects) Said another way, I basically have a slight cough (upper respiratory) very slight body ache but I did have a head ache until the Zelenko treatment protocol kicked in.

Sadly I am in America, and I had to travel to Mexico to get my Hydroxicloroquin & Ivermectin.

CR

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Igor Chudov's avatar

It shows deaths three weeks later (so almost up to now) to cases up to Dec 18, right? Applying three weeks lag to deaths? The lag is because it takes about 3 weeks to die of covid

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Chris's avatar

But Omnicron didn't hit the states and become the dominant strain until I don't know mid Dec?

So I think the 3 week lag would be due to Delta.. No?

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TRM's avatar

Yea that throws a monkey wrench into the mix. The 75% down to "opps" 33% or something much lower by the CDC makes determining which variant is doing what very hard if possible at all.

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Igor Chudov's avatar

It makes everything harder, yes. CDC is busy being a drug ad agency instead of doing its job.

But that deaths keep closely following cases when 21 day lag is applied, makes me suspect that overall Omicron mortality will turn out to be substantial, although hopefully less that Delta 1.57% mortality.

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Jerry O's avatar

Igor - can you please stop repeating that Delta mortality was 1.57%. It never was, not even close to it. Considering how many people caught covid (using IgG seropositivity on population as estimate) before vaccines were around you'd have millions of dead now in the US if 1.57% was the number.

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Formerly_Known_As_Someone's avatar

Maybe he means symptomatic cases, not pcr false-positive “infections”? IFR is around .015 but CFR closer to 1.7% for the non-Omicron variants.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Today 1/9/22 is about my third day with the Omni cold..(hopefully Steve Kirsch's hunch of resetting your Vaxed immune system turn out to be true)

I suspect that is wishful thinking .. as Steve is 2x jabbed

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Chris's avatar

So is Dr. Malone, you know the guy who basically invented the technology for MRNA?

Just as, "Take the shot" is wrongfully the answer for everything and everyone.

"Never take the Shot" is a wrongfull answer too.

Everyone is different. Take your health in your hands and do the best to positively help others if you have something good to add.

People that don't have anything good to add (not saying thats you) should just go back to Twitter.. Twitter needs to keep its Twits

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Can you wait until you sober up then try to rephrase the comment in a way that does not require me to take whatever you are on so that I can decipher your point.

And I don't have a twitter account. Technically I have a Facebook account but it's not in my name - has no posts -- has less than 10 friends (it's bad form to reject people if they try to friend you I am told) --- I have it only because I needed it to get onto the group messages related to ice hockey. But now that I am not allowed to play ice hockey the account is totally dormant.

I don't have a TV either. I cannot understand why anyone would actually pay to have a propaganda machine feed them lies....

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Chris's avatar

Too complicated? My point is, you come here and bang on the keyboards and add NO VALUE...

Twitter would live you.

Sober enough for you?

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Value is in the eye of the bolder... I suspect Kim Kardashian would agree with you.

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Chris's avatar

Holy crap, you should have a blue check by your Twitter handle.. Im sure you will be a big hit there.. Again yoy add no value..

Go away . <-- that is a period

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TB's avatar

I have a TV. It is hooked up to a mini PC so that I can play whatever videos I like on a bigger screen. It never plays broadcast TV or cable.

Although, if I could get a projector, I would use that instead...

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Did you forget about all the free porn?

Does anyone think that I am being cynical when I suggest that we are fed hard core porn to channel men (many of whom cannot attract a mate) away from antisocial behaviour that would arise if they cannot satisfy themselves?

Kinda like pro sports... and pro knitting.

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Xiao Mao's avatar

Porn usage only increases the antisocial behaviour in men. It destroys women and damages boys and men irrevocably.

http://stoppornculture.org/

https://truthaboutporn.org/

http://antipornfeminists.wordpress.com/whats-wrong-with-pornography/

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Igor Chudov's avatar

why are you not allowed to play ice hockey

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Must be injected to play.

However I can shark dive without a vax pass so I'll head to Bluff next week to see the whites... (hopefully they are not antivaxxers and they open the door on the cage!)

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CMCM's avatar

I wish we could somehow abduct Fauci, then put him on TV and force him to answer why in Mexico and other places you can buy Hydroxy and Ivermectin OTC, yet it's a major ordeal to get some in this country. Tie him up and make him answer to the American people.

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Chris's avatar

I'll take Fouci for 500 Alex.

Every question or concern about Covid will have an answer get Vaccinated or Boosted while our stockpile of supplier last.

Thank you US Tax payers

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Fast Eddy's avatar

If only someone could get hold of his grand kids and force him to tell us what he is up to... or else

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TrackCat's avatar

Igor, love your work! For me, best and funniest line of the week - "Please do NOT slip on ice, do NOT drive dangerously, eat only safe foods that will not give you food poisoning. Do not allow your loved ones to beat you up."

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TRM's avatar

The LAST thing you want these days is to be in a hospital cause they'll just murder you for money.

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Diana's avatar

Hope you're wrong. But just in case: My fridge is always full. Bags of rice and flour in the pantry that weigh more than my youngest child. Meats and milk coming direct from a farmer with more than enough kids to cover the chores if he gets sick.

Growing up with a government you distrust is a gift that we now get to unwrap for our own children. :)

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Igor Chudov's avatar

Yep, besides having these supplies available when you need them, the peace of mind is priceless.

I also hope that I am wrong.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

I've read extensively about the famine that followed the Russian revolution ... cannibalism was very common and children were usually the targets.

You'll want to keep the children close.. and the weapons loaded.

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Diana's avatar

Yes. You are right. Grim. Funny story to balance that out: someone tried to give my kids a lecture about fat acceptance. My littlest schooled them by responding pleasantly: "It's bad to be plump because someone might kill you and eat you."

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Ferdinand's avatar

Appreciate what you do. No idea until what degree you are going to be correct.

In a way covid has been mild from the start, so I am just happy mainstream people are now admitting it.

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Igor Chudov's avatar

That's a different way to state a good similar thought.

I am still trying to figure out how big of a deal long covid is though but it is not that frequent it seems

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TrackCat's avatar

According to Alex Berenson, MD this is a figment of suffer’s mind.

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Igor Chudov's avatar

I think that a good part of Long Covid is just fearmongering.

I do know someone with Covid-induced lung fibrosis though

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TrackCat's avatar

100% agree, I also know two people still on O2 months out. After 4 months one of them started the hydrogen peroxide nebulizer with marked improvement and was able to ween off O2 quickly. To dismiss chronic disease post viral infection is asinine, akin to dismissing a ton of injured people on VAERS.

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Duchess's avatar

The same with chronic Lyme....I am watching the same movie...yes it exists/no its in your head/there is no treatment /it will clear up with a month of antibiotics etc etc. So I tend to think there is something going on here...but also think there could be a treatment...

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Yakari's avatar

I guess that „long covid“ does exist, but I think that‘s because sars-cov2 seems to wake up „sleeping“ inflammation and/or pathogens. I have found some studies that seem to prove this. At least it‘s something like this for me, since I have had covid a year ago I have been struggeling with waves of extreme fatigue, muscle soreness, anemia, hair loss etc. But I would not call this „long covid“ as I have an autoimmune condition and I guess that its symptoms have gotten worse due to the infection. It‘s the same for HHV6 and EBV, both seem to be correlated with autoimmunity. So - „long whatever virus“ is nothing new, it‘s just in the focus.

Beside the virus I am sure that the extreme fearmongering and stress caused by media and politics have led to a supressed immune system. Following some studies the immune system can be reduced up to 40% by stress and fear.

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David Watson's avatar

The slope looks steeper than prior waves. If it's symmetric, it should fade quickly.

And still no interest from the medical industry in early treatment. Every death should bring an indictment. Every ICU admission should bring a malpractice claim.

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Duchess's avatar

I so agree...malpractice is what is going on and it needs to be nipped in the bud. That would relieve people's fear and help bring down the mass formation a titch.

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ISL's avatar

By definition, following CDC/FDA guidelines is NOT malpractice.

And I am shocked there is gambling going on here (and the house is winning).

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David Watson's avatar

That's what Lt William Calley said in defense of his massacre of civilians in Vietnam. "I was just following orders!" Didn't work.

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ISL's avatar

And tell me how many US generals were hauled in front of a firing squad? Oh my, look, a corporal was imprisoned for torture at Abu graib!

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David Watson's avatar

This bud has bloomed and wilted quickly. It will need more than a nip to remove it, thorns and all.

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timmy100's avatar

One thing is sure, mrna-vaccinating yourself in the middle of pandemic and in the middle of winter is something like one month Soviet prison Gulag trip for your immune system. Making you vulnerable to all kinds of viruses, bacteria and cancers.

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Castigator's avatar

There is consistency in that approach, I´d say.

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Peter M's avatar

I think you need to be careful about the "with / from" covid issue with this wave in particular. Omicron is so prevalent that tons of people in the hospital/ICU for other reasons are going to test positive. This will likely cause major data issues (and fear porn issues)...... With USA data in general being crap, I'd tend to trust perspectives out of Europe (UK, Denmark) which are consistent in talking about Omicron being mild (which is also consistent with its lower infectivity of the lung).

I'm not panicking about Omicron. But I am worried about what our stupid overlords will do

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Igor Chudov's avatar

Take a look at South Africa, it is more than 3 weeks after peak, and deaths are still rising. I discuss it at the end of my article that we are discussing.

Cases to deaths lag is 3 weeks at least

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Peter M's avatar

I see that. But wonder about the whole testing bullshit. Are these real deaths FROM covid, or just incidental positive cases. I may have missed something in your discussion...

Agree with the potential for absenteeism etc to really disrupt things. Gotta love our fearful leaders.

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Igor Chudov's avatar

It is hard to untangle and decipher "incidental" vs "due to covid" vs "due to booster" vs "due to booster AND covid".

For example, suppose that Bob gets boosted on Dec 15, gets Covid on Dec 28, fully recovers in a couple of days but dies of heart attack on Dec 6. What just happened? Why did Bob die? It is not clear even to me, a vaccine skeptic and Covid skeptic.

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Robert's avatar

Hi Igor. Love the pieces you do, thanks.

What I am seeing is peoples immune responses really lacking, especially after booster. Just thinking or really confirming my observation that the variant is mild unless your vaxed. I am vaccine free, went looking for omicron, in supermarkets, numerous ones to increase chance of exposure, no mask, stood in queues, everything to try and catch and update my immune system, xmas time as well. But nothing. On Xmas night neighbours all boosted were knocking seeking help as 999 were not answering, and they were all experiencing breathing issues. On assessment, could not find an issue, but they couldn’t cope. Again I didn’t catch anything even though they coughed very close to me, again no masks. Things I’m seeing medically I can’t explain

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Knock knock knocking ... on Heaven's Door? haha

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ISL's avatar

you really miss Igor's point. If 30 million are quarantined the (already dysfunctional) supply chain will collapse and those with stocks of toilet paper will have clean a$$es.

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

UK, Denmark & others are now showing clear negative vaccine efficiency. Iow, the vaxxed are more like to be hospitalized & die than unvaxxed.

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timmy100's avatar

Does it even matter? With or from. Triple boosted have already make themselves temporary spike protein toxic body factories three times in a row. Something similar to arsenic poisoning.

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2nd Smartest Guy in the World's avatar

I would argue that what we are seeing is not omicron severity, but "vax" severity counted as omicron. this is an important distinction.

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Igor Chudov's avatar

It is TOTALLY possible. Omicron seems mild, then the vaxed person has a heart attack 2 weeks later.

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Castigator's avatar

There are just some disconcerting physiological data re: heart rate, not just Crawford´s but some commenters´, too. https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/my-early-treatment-testimonial

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Anastasia's avatar

I’ve occasionally wondered if the “omicron is mild” line was an attempt to break the spell among the people who are still afraid to get back to life because of all the fear porn originally thrown at them. I agree with eugyppius that our dear leaders would like us to move on now. The whole Covid thing isn’t really working out for them as they had hoped.

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Igor Chudov's avatar

The criminal leaders would love us to move on without them being investigated and punished. After all, Omicron is a perfect case of Vax Failure.

And "Mild Omicron that will end this pandemic" seems to be the perfect solution.

Except that Omicron is likely not very mild and very possibly will NOT end this pandemic.

The criminal leaders, of course, need to be investigated and prosecuted, but the virus is not asking for our opinion about its mildness, and will infect and kill as many people as its genes are set up to do.

Anyone hoping for a fairy tale ending to Covid, will likely be disappointed.

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YYR's avatar

Are you kidding? These morons are riding covid for all it's worth, they don't want the emergency powers to ever end, and they don't want us to stop being afraid and direct our anger where it belongs. If "our dear leaders" wanted this to stop, they could pull the plug any time they want, just as Sweden did, and Govs Kemp, Abbott and DeSantis. They could, they won't.

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Anastasia's avatar

There’s an argument to be made that they have lost control and it’s the frightened sheep who are keeping it going. You can’t just snap them out of their delusions in an instant. It may be incorrect but it’s an argument to be made

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TB's avatar

Exactly. Just think about the backlash if a governor of a big, democrat-voting US city removed all restrictions suddenly. "OMG the governor is trying to kill us all, impeach them immediately!" or whatever.

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Lidia's avatar

I don't think that's a real argument. The sheep can always be made to follow. Just say the vacx is iffy and you are trying to keep them "safe". Dems like big-state promises of safety.

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TB's avatar

While it's not impossible, it's also not easy to herd sheep. Do you genuinely think that enough people will just accept it if a governor turned around and became an "anti-vaxer" overnight, even if they gave good reasons and were trying to "protect" the people?

I think the media would smear them to their political death.

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Lidia's avatar

Yes. Sheep do not attack. The shepherd uses sheep's natural fear (for example, of dogs) to get them to go where he wants. We have chickens and the main way to round them up, if they are not absolutely starving, is to wave sticks around.

Fear.

Mattias Desmet has been getting lots of exposure to do with his "mass formation" ideas, which I think are fairly sound. He says there really is no 'antidote' to a fear-induced state; the masses can only be snapped out of it by being re-directed to a greater or more immediate fear… so maybe "fear of covid" could be countered by "fear of a totalitarian state" (in a best-case scenario).

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David Connell's avatar

I've heard that hospitals in the US receive money for each patient testing positive to covid and even more if the patient dies from (with?) covid, so can we trust the data? Given the high level of infectivity of Omicron it is only normal that we should see a large rise in cases in the hospitals, as with everywhere else. But that does not mean that they were admitted for covid or if they are ill from covid.

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Scott's avatar

Yes. There's a BIG cash incentive for the bat fever.

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

What percentage of cases & deaths are "jabbed"? What percentage of them are covid exposures (vs infections) with other actual causes of hospitalizations?

The potential for mass quarantine is worrisome. Personally, not a problem. Living in Maine I always have several weeks worth of food & water on hand, & supplies stocked, backup heat, etc during blizzard season. Even packages of baby wipes should we lose power, plus paper plates, bowls, cups & plastic ware because cleaning is a pain without running water. This year I have a couple months' worth. It wouldn't be fun, but I could even make it to spring...

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Igor Chudov's avatar

A lot of ill and hospitalized and ICU are vaxxed. In Ontario it is more than half.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations

Whether they are dying from Omicron, or vaccine, or booster, or a combination thereof, is an

immensely complicated puzzle that requires enormous statistical effort to decipher and untangle even for honest statisticians.

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

The point is they are either heading into or have arrived in *negative efficiency*. Denmark & UK have arrived

That they are hospitalized & die at higher rates than unvaxxed shows that the vax is tipping the balance, not the pathogen.

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Justarandomjohn's avatar

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/case-numbers-and-spread

Please see the cases by age and jab status (you will need to select the age group), higher case rate for vaccine-free in age 60-79 cohort. I think it is because these individuals could not be jabbed as they are immunocompromised and have vulnerable health.

For most other age groups jabbed have higher number of cases per 100k and follow similar patterns. Also it looks like the wave has peaked for majority?

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TRM's avatar

Do you think the MSM are downplaying the deaths because most are in the vaccinated?

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Igor Chudov's avatar

I absolutely think so. Yes. "Omicron is mild" is a public messaging strategy designed to detract from the deadly and catastrophic vaccine failure.

The vaccinating criminals (including press criminals and fact checkers) are deathly scared that they will be soon called to account for their crimes and lies.

So they concocted this "Omicron is mild" narrative. Omicron is mild and we will soon have natural immunity, they say.

But Omicron does not seem to be mild and it is possible that the vaxxed will NEVER have proper natural immunity. Omicron will not end this pandemic and the shitshow will continue.

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CMCM's avatar

One thing is for sure....whatever they say is not what it is. And they are constantly using misdirection tactics on us. I'd say they are definitely fearful everyone will fully realize the vaccines are pure failure and they were lied to, especially as we approach elections.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

I also think they are saying it's mild because they want to ensure it spreads far and wide and creates as many Mutation Factories as possible

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Lanky Lisa's avatar

I'm retired, live in central Cali and am vaccine free. I'm worried that if this pandemic continues that forced vax on all citizens may occur, since I've been noticing severe restrictions being imposed on the vax-free of some countries. Yet, I have no desire to relocate to a "free state", and think it's possible forced vax could eventually arrive there. What would you do?

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Justarandomjohn's avatar

Whatever you do, DON’T move to Canada. This place has become a shitshow. We would have gone the way of Australia had it not been our proximity to the US.

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Amy's avatar

I am in Canada and vaccine free and the powers that be are working round the clock to make life as difficult for us as possible. There's no way to get any of the medications on any of the treatment protocols so I guess if we get covid we're just winging it. :(

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Fast Eddy's avatar

I was able to get Hydrochloroquine into New Zealand by packing it in a tin of Chinese herbal medicine ... and adding some masks as a 'care package' coming out of Hong Kong. My staff was unable to get Ivermectin in HK ... so I have ordered from India --- it's been 3-4 weeks now and nothing has arrived... I know someone else who did this and it took 6 weeks...

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Amy's avatar

Are you able to share the link for where you ordered it?

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Austria was meant to roll big fines and jail on the unvaxxed in Feb - they have delayed until April... hard to see how this could work - there are not enough jail cells + are they going to put unvaxxed kids in jail?

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Bob Leithiser, Ph.D.'s avatar

I think a lot of people are going to ignore this due to its low severity and keep working and not getting tested. I'm hearing from a lot of people that they are done with this thing and to heck with the employer-mandated testing and quarantine rules.

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Igor Chudov's avatar

I hold the same opinion actually, fsck the quarantine rules. But when people are sick, they are sick and staying home.

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