This is a good question. Let's wait a week or two, UKHSA and Denmark could be two sources about populations more similar to ours.
It could be that people get hospitalized a lot, but do not die in the end?
I read completely unconfirmed materials that Omicron causes pneumonia without shortness of breath. So lungs are partially affected by fibrosis. This is totally unconfirmed. Time will tell.
South African population is very different than ours. Also only about 30 percent vaxxed. Correct? If so it is an apples to oranges comparison with U.S. unhealthy, overweight, highly vaxxed population. We're just going to have to wait and see.
This is spot on. We in the US are older, fatter, more vaxxed, fewer pure blood naturally immune people, innate immunity destroyed by triple vaccination etc.
Inviting ground for ADE, OAS and ruined immunity ruining lives of millions.
It will be a wild ride. My other post predicts 20-50,000 deaths, PER DAY, at some point in the next month or two. Mostly among the vaxxed.
But a lot of people also said, giving an experimental treatment for a non-dangerous viral pandemic is insanity in general. A more broad statement and yet also correct.
We got pwned by five humanity hating billionaires.
Actually, at the moment, GVB apparently sees Omicron as some kind of a bliss that could restore the population's innate immunity en masse with minimal costs. Basically he seems to think that without interventions Omicron could unvaxx the vaxxed. But he's very scared of Omicron boosters for some reason. I'm a bit confused and I could always somewhat follow him in the past. Why would Omicron boosters even work, because of OAS? Or does OAS wear off at some unspecified point after vaccination?
Clarification: The study that Igor cites in a newer article shows that vaccine-elicited antibodies which target the original Wuhan strain are 41x less effective against Omiron. They are aware of this very same study, yet they purposely interpret it in a way that "boosters are effective". Yes, of course boosting temporarily ups the antibody count, so relatively speaking a boosted individual could be more protected against Omicron relative to the unboosted one, but in the end he still only has these worthless antibodies anyway.
Boosting right now is like arming people with twice as many teaspoons against a robber with a knife. Solzhenitsyn comes to mind:
"We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, but they are still lying."
Yep, they won't come up with boosters to stop the first wave of Omicron. Likewise they couldn't stop the first two waves of C19, the second being the Alpha wave last winter, with vaccines. But they still went through with mass vaccination despite Delta and here we are now.
So they might try to force the Omicron "vaccine" onto everybody once again in the spring anyway, thus negating any beneficial side effects of the Omicron wave and needlessly driving the variant yet again into even more agressive mutations.
Personally I'm even more of a pessimist now that I see the early responses to Omicron. A study that Igor cites in a newer article shows that vaccine-elicited antibodies are 41x less effective against Omiron, yet they still stick by the religious mantra of "boost as fast as possible", pure idiocy. This will either end in a massive ADE and/or Marek's scenario, not necessarily with Omicron, which is probably just the first real warning that the virus WILL escape whichever spike-based vaccine we throw at it.
I'm a bit suspicious of those numbers, since they are seemingly based on spring 2020 studies. Regional death trends seem to be at least 2 weeks delayed from cases in most waves, though...
I shouldn't generalize; some regional case and death trends are more like a week apart. There's so many different standards of care and of classifying "case" and "death"...
Yeah., Also let's pay attention to Europe and the USA, the vax rates are more similar and populations age is also similar., Someone made great point about US having more overweight people.
BTW, Denmark started its booster campaign at around Oct.1 and it is increasing in intensity to this day , and the cases and deaths were trending up ever since. We know that the jab floors the immune system for 14-20 days. So, if omicron is "da thing", it couldn't have arrived (or have been unleashed) at a better time. Isn't Mexico more "overweight"? Somehow nothing is going on there at this moment.
We should be embarrassed. Instead of using lockdowns and the calm between waves to improve our metabolic health and raise D levels we have only gotten fatter. And most people believe they are getting enough D in their daily multi-vitamin. 🙄 They also ignore the fact that D gets locked into fat and so is unavailable.
Deaths in SA still at rock bottom though, 2.5 weeks post the big hoopla. How come, Igor?
This is a good question. Let's wait a week or two, UKHSA and Denmark could be two sources about populations more similar to ours.
It could be that people get hospitalized a lot, but do not die in the end?
I read completely unconfirmed materials that Omicron causes pneumonia without shortness of breath. So lungs are partially affected by fibrosis. This is totally unconfirmed. Time will tell.
South African population is very different than ours. Also only about 30 percent vaxxed. Correct? If so it is an apples to oranges comparison with U.S. unhealthy, overweight, highly vaxxed population. We're just going to have to wait and see.
This is spot on. We in the US are older, fatter, more vaxxed, fewer pure blood naturally immune people, innate immunity destroyed by triple vaccination etc.
Inviting ground for ADE, OAS and ruined immunity ruining lives of millions.
It will be a wild ride. My other post predicts 20-50,000 deaths, PER DAY, at some point in the next month or two. Mostly among the vaxxed.
All I can say is, I hope you're wrong. But if not, we can't say Geert Vanden Bossche didn't warn us.
He definitely did. He is a visionary.
But a lot of people also said, giving an experimental treatment for a non-dangerous viral pandemic is insanity in general. A more broad statement and yet also correct.
We got pwned by five humanity hating billionaires.
Actually, at the moment, GVB apparently sees Omicron as some kind of a bliss that could restore the population's innate immunity en masse with minimal costs. Basically he seems to think that without interventions Omicron could unvaxx the vaxxed. But he's very scared of Omicron boosters for some reason. I'm a bit confused and I could always somewhat follow him in the past. Why would Omicron boosters even work, because of OAS? Or does OAS wear off at some unspecified point after vaccination?
They likely won't come up with Omicron boosters in time anyway, since it spreads so fast.
Clarification: The study that Igor cites in a newer article shows that vaccine-elicited antibodies which target the original Wuhan strain are 41x less effective against Omiron. They are aware of this very same study, yet they purposely interpret it in a way that "boosters are effective". Yes, of course boosting temporarily ups the antibody count, so relatively speaking a boosted individual could be more protected against Omicron relative to the unboosted one, but in the end he still only has these worthless antibodies anyway.
Boosting right now is like arming people with twice as many teaspoons against a robber with a knife. Solzhenitsyn comes to mind:
"We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, but they are still lying."
Yep, they won't come up with boosters to stop the first wave of Omicron. Likewise they couldn't stop the first two waves of C19, the second being the Alpha wave last winter, with vaccines. But they still went through with mass vaccination despite Delta and here we are now.
So they might try to force the Omicron "vaccine" onto everybody once again in the spring anyway, thus negating any beneficial side effects of the Omicron wave and needlessly driving the variant yet again into even more agressive mutations.
Personally I'm even more of a pessimist now that I see the early responses to Omicron. A study that Igor cites in a newer article shows that vaccine-elicited antibodies are 41x less effective against Omiron, yet they still stick by the religious mantra of "boost as fast as possible", pure idiocy. This will either end in a massive ADE and/or Marek's scenario, not necessarily with Omicron, which is probably just the first real warning that the virus WILL escape whichever spike-based vaccine we throw at it.
Let's see what happens as MORONIC virus spreads in highly vaxxed countries :)
Dispensing with the Nov 23 data dump, cases didn't really take off until to Dec 1 - so only 1.5 weeks in.
Usually people die 2-3 weeks after diagnosis, on average, right?
I'm a bit suspicious of those numbers, since they are seemingly based on spring 2020 studies. Regional death trends seem to be at least 2 weeks delayed from cases in most waves, though...
I shouldn't generalize; some regional case and death trends are more like a week apart. There's so many different standards of care and of classifying "case" and "death"...
SA's population is younger, so give it 4 weeks?
Always "..... two weeks"
Please elaborate, Barry?
I thought you knew: two weeks to flatten the curve; wait two weeks.
Of course it is, LOL! You caught me there!
Yeah., Also let's pay attention to Europe and the USA, the vax rates are more similar and populations age is also similar., Someone made great point about US having more overweight people.
BTW, Denmark started its booster campaign at around Oct.1 and it is increasing in intensity to this day , and the cases and deaths were trending up ever since. We know that the jab floors the immune system for 14-20 days. So, if omicron is "da thing", it couldn't have arrived (or have been unleashed) at a better time. Isn't Mexico more "overweight"? Somehow nothing is going on there at this moment.
Yes, a very terrible timing! Btw I "survived the ussr" also
Highly vaxxed + epic obesity --- perfect storm for MORONIC virus?
We should be embarrassed. Instead of using lockdowns and the calm between waves to improve our metabolic health and raise D levels we have only gotten fatter. And most people believe they are getting enough D in their daily multi-vitamin. 🙄 They also ignore the fact that D gets locked into fat and so is unavailable.
The UK is full of tubbies.
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger LOL!
What doesn't kill the virus makes it stronger :)
The Covid vax?
So, how long do I need to wait before starting to pluck my crow?
Never pluck your crow before eating. The feathers are where all the nutrients are.
😂
But also...
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Or yours?