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SteelJ's avatar

Yes, they seem sub-human to me. Isn't the essence of being fully human to be able to transcend knee-jerk, programmed responses and use your God-given ability to THINK? They are more like dumb animals, responding to stimuli and directives. Their brains never kick in. Do they really have human-like brains? Seems not.

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shibumi's avatar

They have made some very bad decisions in terms of listening to the MSM and choosing to give in to the fear. IMHO, brainwashing IS real, and many, many people are victims. It's sad.

That being said, you CAN talk to them about other things, like The Great Reset and CBDCs. It's just that ONE thing that has a block in their brain.

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SteelJ's avatar

They are more resistant to truth about the jabs, I agree. But they follow whatever their leaders tell them to think about everything to a large degree. That there are degrees to their willingness to fall in line, depending on the issue, can give us some hope for them, little as I think there is. Brainwashing is IMO not a valid excuse. Brainwashing a prisoner, accompanied by torture, sensory deprivation, and proven techniques is hard to resist. I think the term is misused when applied to free citizens simply deciding to believe crap because it's repeated by obvious liars whom they've chosen to trust. That's being stupid, not being brainwashed. That the lies are repeated endlessly by the most visible "authorities" doesn't rise to the level of "brainwashing", although it makes it more effective to those who choose not to think. Of course words can be defined in different ways, and maybe "brainwashing" has been watered down to include this. That's fine, call it brainwashing if you like, but it's a far cry from the classic brainwashing that spawned the term initially.

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shibumi's avatar

I don't disagree with your definition of classic brainwashing, but I've had some very weird conversations with people who are vaxxed and their willingness to keep vaxxing, no matter what happens to them. I think that their fear of death is so extreme, and the message that COVID is fatal was so ingrained in them that it IS a form of brainwashing.

Case in point: I know someone who works for Pfi$er. She probably had covid early. She knows my husband and I had it and are unvaxxed. Yet she still believes that covid is fatal to the unvaxxed, even though she knows people who survived it, herself included. And yeah, she's vaxxed.

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I completely agree with you on this point! My husband works for big Pharma and we are both pretty sure that he had covid early on but both tests he took here came back negative. He went and got 3 of the shots (Moderna) w/o my knowledge and when we finally had a knockdown drag out fight about it when I found out he basically said he saw no problems with the jabs and he would do it all over again. Even though he has mentioned to me numerous people he knows of that have suddenly come down with cancer or heart problems or neurological problems (including his own father).

I asked him why he went from being blase about the plandemic to full on buy in on millions being killed by covid and he said it was a Facebook post showing the lists of the dead and a few pics showing all the coffins in a storage facility in Italy. I remembered that picture as well but I researched it and saw that it was fake! The pics and the newspaper lists of the dead came from a ferry accident that had happened years earlier. He couldn't believe it when I told him that. He also didn't believe when I told him that people weren't being counted as jabbed till 2 weeks after each shot.

You'd think, being a scientist, he would do his own research but he "follows" the science presented only by those he trusts and I, unfortunately, am not one of those people...

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shibumi's avatar

My husband is a chemist who is also kind of an executive; he is at a multi-national firm. In any case, ALL the local executives are jabbed, and all his co-workers in the lab-- including several younger PhD's-- are jabbed. In fact, he only knows of ONE executive worldwide (Europe/Asia) that is not jabbed.

As for an explanation... terror management theory:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7498956/

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SteelJ's avatar

I do see your point. I'm beginning to come around to the idea we are living in a simulation. People like the lady you describe must be NPCs. They don't appear to be human, just programmed automatons. I don't actually think we are in a simulation, but if true it explains a lot.

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shibumi's avatar

I know a few people like this; all are over 55. I think that their thinking processes have been somehow manipulated and now they have programmed responses. They're still human, but there are now reflexes the automatically kick in when you say certain things.

Another horrible example:

I know someone with a 38 year old son who died 5 days after the Pfi$er vaxx. She and her husband blame her sons past drug use. A year after that, her husband got never ending shingles after being boosted. Her doctor (an honest one) said he was vaxx injured.

Yet when I pressed her about it, she admitted that if her doctor told her to get vaxxed again, she would. IMHO, this is fear of death. It is some kind of programming.

I do have to add... I have talked to these people about CBDCs, about the WEF, about a bunch of other weird topics, and they are open to that information. It's just like when you mention the vaxx, their brains slam shut.

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SteelJ's avatar

Thanks for the anecdotes. One takeaway I get is confirmation of my observation, which has been confirmed throughout my life, that most people are not and never will be rational. Re fear of death, a rational person who feared death wouldn't continue to do things that seem dangerous (like getting jabbed) because their doctor said to. There are plenty of authorities, less compromised than her doctor, who say different. A rational person would think "why believe this particular doctor?". It's good there is pushback against the insanity, but a realistic assessment is we are toast. I'm 72 and about 15 years ago finally realized the great mass of people are fatally flawed (herd instinct is a big factor) and will never be able to construct a decent society that lasts. And I reluctantly concluded they don't deserve it - the shitty societies that result are self-inflicted and don't need to be that way.

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shibumi's avatar

I wish I could disagree in terms of most people not being rational. But... I can't.

If you look at Meyers Briggs Personality Theory-- which some say has been discredited-- people are grouped into a bunch of categories, including thinker/ feeler. Most men are thinkers, most women are feelers. I also suspect most gay men are feelers. There are also people who are labels intuitive. That is their label; they are probably around 30% of the population. They are among the most rebellious.

My guess is those that resisted and are resisted are thinkers with a major number of thinking intuitives.

https://www.psychologyjunkie.com/the-most-to-least-rebellious-myers-briggs-personality-types/

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SteelJ's avatar

Interesting way of looking at it, there's something to that IMO. I'd have to say any properly functioning human being is a thinker/feeler/intuitive. If you can't feel you're a psychopath, although they do feel anger and satisfaction, among other emotions. If you can't think, you're just pathetic. I'm lucky, my wife is definitely a thinker/feeler/intuitive! I'd like to think I am, but we're all prone to errors at self-assessment so not sure. Neither of us even remotely considered the jab and are amazed so many that should know better fell for the obvious scam. I agree women and gays fall more toward the "feel" side of the spectrum, generally.

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