I have alternative explanation for this birth rate decline. What if it's more about the exhaustion of energy and the lockdown of the population? I mean, if you break so precisely the social bonds, lock everyone home and give them Zoom, it's hard to find partner and make child. Also, from my experience as I have been 27 when it started, t…
I have alternative explanation for this birth rate decline. What if it's more about the exhaustion of energy and the lockdown of the population? I mean, if you break so precisely the social bonds, lock everyone home and give them Zoom, it's hard to find partner and make child. Also, from my experience as I have been 27 when it started, this lockdown and constant psychological and also physical fight exhausted the lust and libido in many young men. They watch now many more hours of porn, feel depressed and they don't have any reason to go out to danger zone for women or any prospect or real life meeting with opposite sex.
Just like you, I hope that the reasons are transitory -- not like inflation :-) -- and do not have anything to do with destroyed fertility, lowered sperm counts etc. Maybe porn became much more addictive in 2021. Is it possible? Yes.
This is why I am raising this alarm, so that we can look at it and hopefully my concerns will prove unfounded.
As Ed pointed out, Sweden never locked down. But they swallowed Covid vaxx hook, line and sinker.
A good friend of mine is from Sweden and still goes back frequently (we're in SF, so of course she would) and had reported that the Swedes were very pro-jab, which I was surprised by after their anti-lockdown stance. But she wasn't, she says that her fellow countrymen are very compliant & trusting of the government, and that the only reason they stayed away from lockdown was that Andres Tegnell was heroic and well-placed. So, again, in the negative this time, Sweden is a perfectly self-contained scientific experiment.
I liver in Sweden for three years. Government authority is not questioned there. That‘s also why they didn‘t need lockdowns. If Swedes are asked to reduce social contacts or work from home, they simply do so without the need for codified laws.
However, Sweden still has a quite large population who didn‘t get vaccinated, 25%-30% which was rather surprising to me. Their vaccination rate is lower than most of Western Europe. That said, all of my friends in Sweden got the jab, all of them in their early 30s, two actually got kids this year, so luckily they were not affected by this.
Yes, I think vaccination rates are much lower among immigrants (~20% of population). Sweden has a large number of immigrants with language barriers (e.g. Somalia, Turkey, Syria) and from countries that have lower vaccination rates like former Yugoslawia or Poland. I actually have a Serbian friend who complained to me in April 2021 how silly it was that Serbians wouldn‘t get vaccinated because they feared that they could become infertile. Unfortunately it seems that wasn‘t so silly after all.
Reasonable theory, however in the case of Sweden, they did not lockdown and proved lockdowns were totally ineffective, as they had some of the lowest covid rates globally! Ergo they were all still mingling and mating as normal perhaps.
I am not so sure, I have one friend from Sweden which I spoke to last year and even though they didn't have official lockdown, the media, politics and doctors made people very scary of the virus - they put horor stories and the propaganda was as strong as elsewhere. I also think the lockdown was recommended by government, not mandated but still it make very scary imprint on psychology and social relationships between people.
If someone is more interested to learn more about Sweden during lockdown, I think there was also interview lead by Dr. Reiner Fullmich with some attorney who testifies what was happening there.
But still, why the sudden and precipitous drop now? Fear reached its peak March/April 2020. We should have seen the decline last year, not this, if pandemic fear were the driver.
Depression with the lunacy of governments and/or fear of forced vaccination may have peaked Spring 2021 though, in fairness. But the Swedish government wasn’t that lunatic.
We know the vaccines have impacted menstruation in women. Even if fertility is unharmed longer term, it certainly suggests it is disrupted for the month of vaccination and maybe for several months after in a not insignificant subset of women. This should not be a surprise. If the rate stays down after 3-4 months though, then there is a much bigger problem.
what about increased deaths? if not mistaken pick any western country is between 30-60% increase. there have been some interviews from insurance executives in US and germany to that extent ... just sayin' ... not necessary the shots, am sure Trump would have never approved mRNA if it was not Safe and Effective ...
It sounds like you’re suggesting that excess deaths of people of childbearing age = fewer babies. That makes sense. But then you need to look at why younger people who don’t normally die all of a sudden started dying in large numbers in mid 2021, a full year and a half after Covid hit the scene. Again, the biggest variable change was the shots.
I have alternative explanation for this birth rate decline. What if it's more about the exhaustion of energy and the lockdown of the population? I mean, if you break so precisely the social bonds, lock everyone home and give them Zoom, it's hard to find partner and make child. Also, from my experience as I have been 27 when it started, this lockdown and constant psychological and also physical fight exhausted the lust and libido in many young men. They watch now many more hours of porn, feel depressed and they don't have any reason to go out to danger zone for women or any prospect or real life meeting with opposite sex.
You are asking a good question.
Just like you, I hope that the reasons are transitory -- not like inflation :-) -- and do not have anything to do with destroyed fertility, lowered sperm counts etc. Maybe porn became much more addictive in 2021. Is it possible? Yes.
This is why I am raising this alarm, so that we can look at it and hopefully my concerns will prove unfounded.
As Ed pointed out, Sweden never locked down. But they swallowed Covid vaxx hook, line and sinker.
Sweden didn't "lockdown" like most other countries did.
That graph that Igor posted is very organic, so the cause is more likely to be physiological than it is social.
You nailed it Ed!
A good friend of mine is from Sweden and still goes back frequently (we're in SF, so of course she would) and had reported that the Swedes were very pro-jab, which I was surprised by after their anti-lockdown stance. But she wasn't, she says that her fellow countrymen are very compliant & trusting of the government, and that the only reason they stayed away from lockdown was that Andres Tegnell was heroic and well-placed. So, again, in the negative this time, Sweden is a perfectly self-contained scientific experiment.
I liver in Sweden for three years. Government authority is not questioned there. That‘s also why they didn‘t need lockdowns. If Swedes are asked to reduce social contacts or work from home, they simply do so without the need for codified laws.
However, Sweden still has a quite large population who didn‘t get vaccinated, 25%-30% which was rather surprising to me. Their vaccination rate is lower than most of Western Europe. That said, all of my friends in Sweden got the jab, all of them in their early 30s, two actually got kids this year, so luckily they were not affected by this.
Do you think this relates to the fact that a large part of the Swedish population was not born in Sweden?
Yes, I think vaccination rates are much lower among immigrants (~20% of population). Sweden has a large number of immigrants with language barriers (e.g. Somalia, Turkey, Syria) and from countries that have lower vaccination rates like former Yugoslawia or Poland. I actually have a Serbian friend who complained to me in April 2021 how silly it was that Serbians wouldn‘t get vaccinated because they feared that they could become infertile. Unfortunately it seems that wasn‘t so silly after all.
This is what is great about Igor's stack. He wants to be challenged and contradicted so we all get closer to the truth. Few stackers like that.
If only stackers. “Few” humans 🤷♂️.
Cheers to all in Chudov’s community!!❤️
That may be a part of it, but it has been shown that LNPs do accumulate in the reproductive organs.
Reasonable theory, however in the case of Sweden, they did not lockdown and proved lockdowns were totally ineffective, as they had some of the lowest covid rates globally! Ergo they were all still mingling and mating as normal perhaps.
I am not so sure, I have one friend from Sweden which I spoke to last year and even though they didn't have official lockdown, the media, politics and doctors made people very scary of the virus - they put horor stories and the propaganda was as strong as elsewhere. I also think the lockdown was recommended by government, not mandated but still it make very scary imprint on psychology and social relationships between people.
If someone is more interested to learn more about Sweden during lockdown, I think there was also interview lead by Dr. Reiner Fullmich with some attorney who testifies what was happening there.
My family there were scared.
But still, why the sudden and precipitous drop now? Fear reached its peak March/April 2020. We should have seen the decline last year, not this, if pandemic fear were the driver.
Depression with the lunacy of governments and/or fear of forced vaccination may have peaked Spring 2021 though, in fairness. But the Swedish government wasn’t that lunatic.
We know the vaccines have impacted menstruation in women. Even if fertility is unharmed longer term, it certainly suggests it is disrupted for the month of vaccination and maybe for several months after in a not insignificant subset of women. This should not be a surprise. If the rate stays down after 3-4 months though, then there is a much bigger problem.
what about increased deaths? if not mistaken pick any western country is between 30-60% increase. there have been some interviews from insurance executives in US and germany to that extent ... just sayin' ... not necessary the shots, am sure Trump would have never approved mRNA if it was not Safe and Effective ...
Ha. Sorry, Trump takes credit for the warp speed jab publicly all the time!
It sounds like you’re suggesting that excess deaths of people of childbearing age = fewer babies. That makes sense. But then you need to look at why younger people who don’t normally die all of a sudden started dying in large numbers in mid 2021, a full year and a half after Covid hit the scene. Again, the biggest variable change was the shots.