Wah Wah Wah.... I 100% understand why you are leaving but it's so frustrating because when we really need to see a dr now ( a lot of us are not going to the dr again unless desperate) we are left with the inexperienced and attitude types :( .... people like you leave big holes when they leave :( it's getting rather dicey out there... har…
Wah Wah Wah.... I 100% understand why you are leaving but it's so frustrating because when we really need to see a dr now ( a lot of us are not going to the dr again unless desperate) we are left with the inexperienced and attitude types :( .... people like you leave big holes when they leave :( it's getting rather dicey out there... hard to find a thinking dr much less a decent hospital... kudos to you for being strong! Maybe you can work with the Remnant Nurses or some such group.
I’ve not heard of the Remnant Nurses. I will have to look that up. I understand how you feel regarding doctors and health care. I don’t even have health insurance myself. Don’t want it. I’m never going to a doctor again if I can help it. I refused to take OR give those shots. I didn’t want any part of it. I knew it was something really bad. It’s hard for me to work now ethically because I can see it’s all a charade to get people on as many meds as possible. It’s all about money and it has spiritual components but that’s a whole other topic. I’ll help people some other way.
I went through the healthcare system for around 30+ years and it left me in worse shape than from my actual injuries that occurred in the military during the Gulf War era. It wasn't by choice. I actually get VA compensation for this now after giving me a total disability rating of 130%. The number of tests, surgeries, and drugs I was on was mind boggling. I'm surprised all the drugs they had me on for pain and mental health issues alone didn't kill me. I was naive and trusted them. All these drugs were taking a toll on my overall health over the years. Thankfully, I found Kratom which has worked great for the nerve pain down both legs and neuropathy in both feet. That got me off of 120 10mg pills of Oxycodone and 60 10mg of Oxycontin monthly. I've found many holistic and alternatives to western medicine over the past 8 years. These work but they want to call it pseudoscience. I kid you not when I tell you I have around 2k pages in my medical records. Thankfully, I got into a better and stable place in 2015 after being medically and financially destroyed. I don't think I can completely stay away but I've been really good about telling them to FO. I've even gone off on doctors and nurses trying to push crap on me that I didn't need. I'm much wiser now because I had to learn the hard way. I was having severe pain in my side 3 years ago and went to the ER. ER doctor ordered a CT scan and was informed there was something wrong with my colon and needed surgery. I can't remember what he said but I want to say sigmoid hernia. I met with a surgeon that I somewhat trusted more than others and he disagreed with the ER doctor. To rule it out, he did a colonoscopy and there was nothing wrong. He ran a few more tests and finally agreed with me that it's probably nerve related since this has always been a thorn in my side after being injured. He referred me over to a neurologist. While waiting to see this doctor, I was having random and sporadic numbness in both legs and toes. Left leg was already partially numb for many years. I knew for sure it was nerve related when this started to happen. I went to a neurologist who did a couple of MRIs and an EMG. She told me I need another back surgery since the MRIs indicated a couple of issues which would explain the pain in my sides. She also told me the EMG indicated I had moderate carpal tunnel syndrome in both hands and would benefit from having surgery on both hands. This explains the numbness, tingling, and weakness I was having in both hands. I laughed and said it's not going to happen. I said let's start with the least intrusive methods. I went to physical therapy and was given some bilateral wrist wraps for each hand. The pain in my side improved greatly with PT along with the issues I was having with both hands. This past year, I was starting to have issues hearing voices specifically women. I couldn't make out certain words which is frustrating. The wife thought I was messing with her. LOL I was sent to an ENT to be evaluated. He said I needed a surgery in my left nostril due to it being almost blocked and ordered a hearing test. I've had more than enough doctors look up my nose over the years and I've never had one tell me I had a blockage. I declined. They sure are eager to cut one open these days. However, my hearing isn't too good within certain frequencies which explains why I was having issues hearing most women speak. The VA did pick up 100% of the bill and it's ridiculous how much these costs. It was 8k for the hearing aids and almost 2k for the Audiologist. I refuse to have the VA touch me after botching a surgery. I will only see a doctor in public sector after vetting them. I lost most trust for healthcare in 2015 and any trust I had left was gone after what I witnessed over the past 3 years. I have more trust for the ones who fought against the CV19 death shot or found a way around it. I'll straight up ask them what they think about covid and if they took the shot. They give a wrong answer, I'll walk out. I have ZERO trust for ALL hospitals after seeing what they have done. I can't think of one person I know who wants to go see a doctor or walk into a hospital. I'm seeing more people eating better and exercising now. They're doing anything they can to avoid them now. It's really good to see more and more doctors and nurses speaking out today. This takes courage because it could end your careers. It's good to see them put the interest of their patients before any agendas. Nice to know there are some out there who are actually capable of critical thinking and stand for what they believe in. I wish you the best in whatever you choose to do. I don't blame you for wanting to leave.
I was raised in a different era --if bones weren't protruding or blood kept pouring, you're good... lol..... but I do find drs useful if they cooperate as far as blood work... I can order my own but since we have insurance it's nice to get the premiums back by having them pay for the labs... us common people will never be helped by the integrative ones due to their extremely high prices but perhaps people will be more motivated to take care of their own health. The naturopath I've seen in the past is now over $500 for new pt consult... $120 - $200 for appts after that.
There are several nurse groups that have formed over the last 2 yrs... 25 yrs ago my area had a nurse...might have been NP but did they exist back then?... she saw lots of people for health - word of mouth spread and it was hard to get appt... I'm in CA and it's pretty good for naturopaths and HHP types... so is AZ and UT...
Yes,NP existed back then in CA. My sister is one of them. She’s been practicing for years in a rural clinic. Huge patient loads but she keeps on because her patients rely on her. She is 72 and is afraid to retire because who will take care of her patients?
I’m from that era too, lol. We don’t have many naturopaths where I’m at, NC. At least not in my part of the state. I just try to eat healthy, walk a lot each day, and just take care of myself. So far so good. I don’t see how people can function if they have serious health problems. If I had any I would be bankrupt :( i am going to check into nurse groups while I’m at work tonight. Thanks for that little tip.
I'm in eastern NC and all the doctors seem to have drunk the kool aid here. I thought my primary care doctor was ok until covid. (He still wears the mask, according to my husband.). I haven't seen him in a couple of years myself. I was seeing an integrative practitioner, but she was breaking the bank with tests and supplements. I'm 76 and doing pretty good; no meds but take supplements, eat fairly healthy, grow a garden and raise chickens AND try to be careful about doing stupid things that could cause a fall. Just grateful every day, but wish I could find a real doctor just in case. Sigh.
I’m in Eastern NC too. Small world. I agree. I’m 51 and healthy so I’m just getting by without a doc. They are all on board with the agendas here. My parents are 77 and 80 and no matter how much I begged them they took all the shots. By the grace of God they seem okay, just tired a lot. Mom sees her doc regularly (kool aid drinker) dad doesn’t worry with docs unless sick and then goes to the VA (very much kool aid drinkers). They are both mostly healthy, but won’t listen to me 🥹. They do the same as you supplements, have a small garden and also chickens. I used to get eggs from them but something had killed all the hens. Only one rooster left for now so dad is trying to hatch some more hens. God bless you. Praying for you and your husband.
I live between NB and MC. You didn't mention a husband. I pray he's on the same page. My family is, but my daughter has metastatic breast cancer. She's taking a pill, but the oncologist is unsure how to treat her. Last year was bad. She had to go to Chapel Hill for a dilation of a stricture in her colon and the doc perforated her bowel. She almost died from sepsis and has a colostomy. She has seen holistic practitioner, and is doing better. She would prefer to avoid the medical regiment altogether, but got in a bad place. Our whole family has had bad experiences. I can't understand why most people my age are so clueless; they've heard the lies for decades. I know THEY have never been honest, and always have an agenda. Wish we could get in touch. Thanks for the prayers.
Have your daughter look up on NIH.gov "ivermectin and cancer." She also needs things like turkey tail and lion's mane mushrooms, dandelion root tea, lemon, baking soda, chlosostrum....
I have a close neighbor who has so far made a full recovery this way from lung cancer and liver cancer! He did not take the shots, but he was an alcoholic and cigarette smoker until the last few years! He did have chemo, and he's a big believer in prayer.
My mom died at 93... every time I took her to the dr they were in shock that she was on no medications.
I had an ER visit myself for broken bones - body was in shock so of course they put IV in... nurse came w/ 2 syringes, got one in before I realized what she was doing (nausea stuff)... I asked what was in the next one and she said morphine..... I frantically refused and she grilled me on why not... wanted to know if I was allergic, she'd get something else... told her I had no idea if I was allergic cuz I'd never had it and didn't want it. It was rather strange... I'm the patient, I'm telling them the pain is tolerable, so why the push for drugs? Maybe they thought I wasn't in my right mind at the time, so can't fault them really but it's kinda worrying that if you're not able to voice your wants you'd be getting the standard protocol... exactly why you need a good advocate with you whenever you interact with medical.
Probably they get to charge your insurance several hundred dollars for those shots they didn't ask you if you wanted. That's what I've seen happen to others. "I never got anything like that..." "Yes you did, so-and-so put it in your IV at such-and-such a time." "But no one asked me if I wanted or needed it!" "You signed a consent form at intake giving the doctor authority to give you what he/she determined was best for you." "Oh, well yes, but..."
On the rare occasions I need medical care, I be sure to get paper forms to sign, and I amend them as I see fit, initial the changes, and only then sign them. I doubt anyone even notices that I've done that most of the time, LOL!
Now if only we could do that with online banking and such...
Oh wow! Right on Sadie. My advice would be for everyone to have someone to advocate when they have to deal with medical providers at this point. There is way too much pushing of meds on people. It’s out of hand. That’s one huge reason I’m leaving healthcare. No push for healthy lifestyle changes at all. It’s sad.
In Michigan, naturopathic physicians don't take insurance, but they are limited by state law from performing even the simplest tasks of a primary care doctor. I had hoped to find one to be my pcp, but was told that they are not allowed to examine or treat patients physically. she couldn't even look in my ear to tell me if I had ear wax built up, or an infection. She just consults and prescribes supplements and hormone replacements as a naturopath, even though she was fully trained as an MD. Sucks, but at least I know they are trained in case of SHTF and rule of law becoming unenforcable.
If you are in MI, look into the Natural Health Improvement Center in Grand Rapids. She is a DO with a focus on natural and functional health. They do not take insurance but you can file on your own and get some things covered. I am thankful for them.
i know the laws are different in each state, but what a waste! how does she make a living? in NY and SC, naturopaths generally operate as acupuncturists. but there are other doctors, many are conventional but left the system in disgust. some are functional doctors or integrative doctors. some charge a monthly fee for a defined amount of care. most will submit blood work through your insurance even though they don't participate in that corrupt system.
She makes a living by charging a few hundred dollars for a half hour consultation, LOL! No such thing as "routine wellness visits" in this scenario! Blood tests she orders are done by an independent lab which takes insurance if you have the coverage.
Oh no, not by a long shot... (although the fan IS blowing some pretty smelly gas around, so it may not be long now...) rule of law may be only selectively enforced at present, but it is still alive and well and ready to pounce on those the PTB don't approve of. Just try to defend yourself with lethal force if someone breaks into your house, you'll be in jail in no time flat! (Or use someone's "wrong pronouns" in public!) Once no one responds to those calls, I'll feel comfortable believing that the rule of law is no longer in effect.
And my doc certainly felt she couldn't risk even a quick peek into my ear canal to tell me what she saw. (I later researched and tried a few home remedies and it cleared up so it's all good, plus bonus, I learned to do for myself if it ever happens again.)
Wah Wah Wah.... I 100% understand why you are leaving but it's so frustrating because when we really need to see a dr now ( a lot of us are not going to the dr again unless desperate) we are left with the inexperienced and attitude types :( .... people like you leave big holes when they leave :( it's getting rather dicey out there... hard to find a thinking dr much less a decent hospital... kudos to you for being strong! Maybe you can work with the Remnant Nurses or some such group.
I’ve not heard of the Remnant Nurses. I will have to look that up. I understand how you feel regarding doctors and health care. I don’t even have health insurance myself. Don’t want it. I’m never going to a doctor again if I can help it. I refused to take OR give those shots. I didn’t want any part of it. I knew it was something really bad. It’s hard for me to work now ethically because I can see it’s all a charade to get people on as many meds as possible. It’s all about money and it has spiritual components but that’s a whole other topic. I’ll help people some other way.
I went through the healthcare system for around 30+ years and it left me in worse shape than from my actual injuries that occurred in the military during the Gulf War era. It wasn't by choice. I actually get VA compensation for this now after giving me a total disability rating of 130%. The number of tests, surgeries, and drugs I was on was mind boggling. I'm surprised all the drugs they had me on for pain and mental health issues alone didn't kill me. I was naive and trusted them. All these drugs were taking a toll on my overall health over the years. Thankfully, I found Kratom which has worked great for the nerve pain down both legs and neuropathy in both feet. That got me off of 120 10mg pills of Oxycodone and 60 10mg of Oxycontin monthly. I've found many holistic and alternatives to western medicine over the past 8 years. These work but they want to call it pseudoscience. I kid you not when I tell you I have around 2k pages in my medical records. Thankfully, I got into a better and stable place in 2015 after being medically and financially destroyed. I don't think I can completely stay away but I've been really good about telling them to FO. I've even gone off on doctors and nurses trying to push crap on me that I didn't need. I'm much wiser now because I had to learn the hard way. I was having severe pain in my side 3 years ago and went to the ER. ER doctor ordered a CT scan and was informed there was something wrong with my colon and needed surgery. I can't remember what he said but I want to say sigmoid hernia. I met with a surgeon that I somewhat trusted more than others and he disagreed with the ER doctor. To rule it out, he did a colonoscopy and there was nothing wrong. He ran a few more tests and finally agreed with me that it's probably nerve related since this has always been a thorn in my side after being injured. He referred me over to a neurologist. While waiting to see this doctor, I was having random and sporadic numbness in both legs and toes. Left leg was already partially numb for many years. I knew for sure it was nerve related when this started to happen. I went to a neurologist who did a couple of MRIs and an EMG. She told me I need another back surgery since the MRIs indicated a couple of issues which would explain the pain in my sides. She also told me the EMG indicated I had moderate carpal tunnel syndrome in both hands and would benefit from having surgery on both hands. This explains the numbness, tingling, and weakness I was having in both hands. I laughed and said it's not going to happen. I said let's start with the least intrusive methods. I went to physical therapy and was given some bilateral wrist wraps for each hand. The pain in my side improved greatly with PT along with the issues I was having with both hands. This past year, I was starting to have issues hearing voices specifically women. I couldn't make out certain words which is frustrating. The wife thought I was messing with her. LOL I was sent to an ENT to be evaluated. He said I needed a surgery in my left nostril due to it being almost blocked and ordered a hearing test. I've had more than enough doctors look up my nose over the years and I've never had one tell me I had a blockage. I declined. They sure are eager to cut one open these days. However, my hearing isn't too good within certain frequencies which explains why I was having issues hearing most women speak. The VA did pick up 100% of the bill and it's ridiculous how much these costs. It was 8k for the hearing aids and almost 2k for the Audiologist. I refuse to have the VA touch me after botching a surgery. I will only see a doctor in public sector after vetting them. I lost most trust for healthcare in 2015 and any trust I had left was gone after what I witnessed over the past 3 years. I have more trust for the ones who fought against the CV19 death shot or found a way around it. I'll straight up ask them what they think about covid and if they took the shot. They give a wrong answer, I'll walk out. I have ZERO trust for ALL hospitals after seeing what they have done. I can't think of one person I know who wants to go see a doctor or walk into a hospital. I'm seeing more people eating better and exercising now. They're doing anything they can to avoid them now. It's really good to see more and more doctors and nurses speaking out today. This takes courage because it could end your careers. It's good to see them put the interest of their patients before any agendas. Nice to know there are some out there who are actually capable of critical thinking and stand for what they believe in. I wish you the best in whatever you choose to do. I don't blame you for wanting to leave.
I was raised in a different era --if bones weren't protruding or blood kept pouring, you're good... lol..... but I do find drs useful if they cooperate as far as blood work... I can order my own but since we have insurance it's nice to get the premiums back by having them pay for the labs... us common people will never be helped by the integrative ones due to their extremely high prices but perhaps people will be more motivated to take care of their own health. The naturopath I've seen in the past is now over $500 for new pt consult... $120 - $200 for appts after that.
There are several nurse groups that have formed over the last 2 yrs... 25 yrs ago my area had a nurse...might have been NP but did they exist back then?... she saw lots of people for health - word of mouth spread and it was hard to get appt... I'm in CA and it's pretty good for naturopaths and HHP types... so is AZ and UT...
Yes,NP existed back then in CA. My sister is one of them. She’s been practicing for years in a rural clinic. Huge patient loads but she keeps on because her patients rely on her. She is 72 and is afraid to retire because who will take care of her patients?
I’m from that era too, lol. We don’t have many naturopaths where I’m at, NC. At least not in my part of the state. I just try to eat healthy, walk a lot each day, and just take care of myself. So far so good. I don’t see how people can function if they have serious health problems. If I had any I would be bankrupt :( i am going to check into nurse groups while I’m at work tonight. Thanks for that little tip.
I'm in eastern NC and all the doctors seem to have drunk the kool aid here. I thought my primary care doctor was ok until covid. (He still wears the mask, according to my husband.). I haven't seen him in a couple of years myself. I was seeing an integrative practitioner, but she was breaking the bank with tests and supplements. I'm 76 and doing pretty good; no meds but take supplements, eat fairly healthy, grow a garden and raise chickens AND try to be careful about doing stupid things that could cause a fall. Just grateful every day, but wish I could find a real doctor just in case. Sigh.
I’m in Eastern NC too. Small world. I agree. I’m 51 and healthy so I’m just getting by without a doc. They are all on board with the agendas here. My parents are 77 and 80 and no matter how much I begged them they took all the shots. By the grace of God they seem okay, just tired a lot. Mom sees her doc regularly (kool aid drinker) dad doesn’t worry with docs unless sick and then goes to the VA (very much kool aid drinkers). They are both mostly healthy, but won’t listen to me 🥹. They do the same as you supplements, have a small garden and also chickens. I used to get eggs from them but something had killed all the hens. Only one rooster left for now so dad is trying to hatch some more hens. God bless you. Praying for you and your husband.
I live between NB and MC. You didn't mention a husband. I pray he's on the same page. My family is, but my daughter has metastatic breast cancer. She's taking a pill, but the oncologist is unsure how to treat her. Last year was bad. She had to go to Chapel Hill for a dilation of a stricture in her colon and the doc perforated her bowel. She almost died from sepsis and has a colostomy. She has seen holistic practitioner, and is doing better. She would prefer to avoid the medical regiment altogether, but got in a bad place. Our whole family has had bad experiences. I can't understand why most people my age are so clueless; they've heard the lies for decades. I know THEY have never been honest, and always have an agenda. Wish we could get in touch. Thanks for the prayers.
Have your daughter look up on NIH.gov "ivermectin and cancer." She also needs things like turkey tail and lion's mane mushrooms, dandelion root tea, lemon, baking soda, chlosostrum....
I have a close neighbor who has so far made a full recovery this way from lung cancer and liver cancer! He did not take the shots, but he was an alcoholic and cigarette smoker until the last few years! He did have chemo, and he's a big believer in prayer.
We found a doctor who says “he who dies on the least meds wins”. That’s my guy
My mom died at 93... every time I took her to the dr they were in shock that she was on no medications.
I had an ER visit myself for broken bones - body was in shock so of course they put IV in... nurse came w/ 2 syringes, got one in before I realized what she was doing (nausea stuff)... I asked what was in the next one and she said morphine..... I frantically refused and she grilled me on why not... wanted to know if I was allergic, she'd get something else... told her I had no idea if I was allergic cuz I'd never had it and didn't want it. It was rather strange... I'm the patient, I'm telling them the pain is tolerable, so why the push for drugs? Maybe they thought I wasn't in my right mind at the time, so can't fault them really but it's kinda worrying that if you're not able to voice your wants you'd be getting the standard protocol... exactly why you need a good advocate with you whenever you interact with medical.
Probably they get to charge your insurance several hundred dollars for those shots they didn't ask you if you wanted. That's what I've seen happen to others. "I never got anything like that..." "Yes you did, so-and-so put it in your IV at such-and-such a time." "But no one asked me if I wanted or needed it!" "You signed a consent form at intake giving the doctor authority to give you what he/she determined was best for you." "Oh, well yes, but..."
On the rare occasions I need medical care, I be sure to get paper forms to sign, and I amend them as I see fit, initial the changes, and only then sign them. I doubt anyone even notices that I've done that most of the time, LOL!
Now if only we could do that with online banking and such...
Online banking? That's one thing I can control -- I just don't do it... lol... may not be an option much longer but for now I abstain.
Oh wow! Right on Sadie. My advice would be for everyone to have someone to advocate when they have to deal with medical providers at this point. There is way too much pushing of meds on people. It’s out of hand. That’s one huge reason I’m leaving healthcare. No push for healthy lifestyle changes at all. It’s sad.
find doctors who don't take insurance. they're out there
In Michigan, naturopathic physicians don't take insurance, but they are limited by state law from performing even the simplest tasks of a primary care doctor. I had hoped to find one to be my pcp, but was told that they are not allowed to examine or treat patients physically. she couldn't even look in my ear to tell me if I had ear wax built up, or an infection. She just consults and prescribes supplements and hormone replacements as a naturopath, even though she was fully trained as an MD. Sucks, but at least I know they are trained in case of SHTF and rule of law becoming unenforcable.
If you are in MI, look into the Natural Health Improvement Center in Grand Rapids. She is a DO with a focus on natural and functional health. They do not take insurance but you can file on your own and get some things covered. I am thankful for them.
i know the laws are different in each state, but what a waste! how does she make a living? in NY and SC, naturopaths generally operate as acupuncturists. but there are other doctors, many are conventional but left the system in disgust. some are functional doctors or integrative doctors. some charge a monthly fee for a defined amount of care. most will submit blood work through your insurance even though they don't participate in that corrupt system.
She makes a living by charging a few hundred dollars for a half hour consultation, LOL! No such thing as "routine wellness visits" in this scenario! Blood tests she orders are done by an independent lab which takes insurance if you have the coverage.
I would say that the shit has already hit the fan and that the rule of law is unenforceable.
Oh no, not by a long shot... (although the fan IS blowing some pretty smelly gas around, so it may not be long now...) rule of law may be only selectively enforced at present, but it is still alive and well and ready to pounce on those the PTB don't approve of. Just try to defend yourself with lethal force if someone breaks into your house, you'll be in jail in no time flat! (Or use someone's "wrong pronouns" in public!) Once no one responds to those calls, I'll feel comfortable believing that the rule of law is no longer in effect.
And my doc certainly felt she couldn't risk even a quick peek into my ear canal to tell me what she saw. (I later researched and tried a few home remedies and it cleared up so it's all good, plus bonus, I learned to do for myself if it ever happens again.)