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A number of posters on r/COVID19positive, I've noticed, will say something like "my immune system has been wrecked". Maybe 1 in 20 or 1 in 30. So many non-scientific statements get made on that forum (by both posters and the people who comment on the posts) that it's easy to gloss over this. I think that some posters are simply stating something based on the feedback they are getting from their own bodies, and in full knowledge of their own personal medical history (lifestyle, frequency of and their ability to handle previous bouts of illness, etc.) - i.e., they are not just saying this because the test turned red (or whatever it is) too many times, or it's a line they heard about people suffering long COVID. They saying it because they KNOW there is something wrong with their bodies now. They are weak, and they can't seem fight this thing anymore.

Let's say the mortality is 1 in 600. That number goes to 1 in 150 when you multiply annual infections by 4, but the truth is harsher, because with each successive infection, a person approaches the state of "my immune system has been wrecked".

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Igor Chudov's avatar

Yes, I also noted those comments, they stand out (unfortunately). And your math/logic is impeccable.

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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

That's why you have to gaslight! Otherwise the whole medical paradigm stops working.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Good point. Even known malingerers should not be dismissed; In many cases, part of the mitigation and treatment protocol is for them to simply go to the doctor.

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Rabbitnexus's avatar

Pretty hard to be wrong about being repeatedly ill I think.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Then there are those who say nothing about their wrecked immune system as they experience repeat illnesses... the vaxxes are Safe and Effective... to admit endless illness is to bring into question that assertion...

Then there are those who acknowledge sumtingwong... but they parrot the media and claim they've got Long Covid....

I know of one person who has told me he's not felt right since getting covid 3 months ago - he's boosted... he thinks it's long covid... I don't bother to tell him he's wrecked his immune system... he would reject that ... and even if he did consider that possibility why stress him out -- it's not like he can unf789 himself -- he's got the full 4 shot does in play.... what will be... will be... (Doris Day 1956)

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Jim Foye's avatar

Yeah, the cognitive dissonance is on another level.

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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

You always see this with cultists.... :(

Each time the faith abjectly fails them it just increase their devotion.

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Jjule's avatar

The standard line of a Covidian

“ it would have been a lot worse if I hadn’t had the vax”

How the heck can one instill logic in that kinda brain?

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Rabbitnexus's avatar

That's the one. I said at the start when the official line was down to no more than the promise "it will reduce sever symptoms" How the F..k can you ever know this? Here we are.

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Joseph Vincetti's avatar

My favorite part is pointing out that out to them only elicits belligerent accusations you are a "conspiracy theorist" for pointing out objective facts.

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Rabbitnexus's avatar

Ah yes, believing facts matter and objective science is a process, not a dogma by decree. This is the new witchcraft.

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Mystic William's avatar

Eventually the cog diss breaks through. But at first a failure must be rationalized. Or you’d walk from the cult. But the cult member isn’t ready to walk. They’re getting camaraderie/a purpose etc. so their ignoring the failure becomes an act of devotion which strengthens their ties. The cult itself though is filled with intrigue and backbiting etc. The camaraderie that feels so good initially gives way to factions and unpleasantries. Then the cognitive dissonance starts to break through.

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Candis's avatar

What frightens me is the next level- when the willfully blind actively start scapegoating. Because it's like they will resort to literally anything, other than to accept responsibility for what they have allowed to be done to themselves.

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Foundry Girl's avatar

My sister has long Covid (according to her Docs.) She has leg weakness, trembling, hip pain. She hid out in her home until she was eligible for the vaccine. Never actually had Covid BUT somehow, she has long Covid (which miraculously started after the vaccine) not problems stemming from taking the vaccine (according to her Docs.) She is SO GLAD that she had the vaccine because this Covid thing Is really scary. Says the chick who used to go out in the field hunting fossils down sides of hills and when everyone on her team were wretching their guts out (from both ends) from Montezumas Revenge, she was guzzling vintage cans of beans and eating from rot-gut roadside cantinas. How is this the same person who hid in her house for a year and a half shaking in fear of getting something with a 97%-99% survival rate for her age and health.

She is bullheaded about everything, even the delusion that has hold of her.

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UnExperts Inc.'s avatar

Common story and sad.

re: her symptoms. This is what "Medicine" and Doctors are doing now. Vaccine damage is now Long Covid. Period. This crazed diagnosis will pick up as more vax damaged people overwhelm the medical system. Sons Of Beaches. I despise them.

This is one <of many> reason why I wish the people writing about COVID spent more time shining the light on the vax injured/damaged, which outnumbers the dead probably x100. But mostly what we hear is death, Death, DEATH! numbers and headlines.

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Mystic William's avatar

Agreed. I’m seeing this all over. All long COVID. Meanwhile no one got long COVID until April of 2021. All the way from 2019 to then - no. Long COVID.

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UnExperts Inc.'s avatar

Yes. Have you noticed how many people are sick here in mid-June? Incredible. I live out west but speak to many others on a daily basis around the country and so-many-people-have- "covid" i.e. so many people are sick. In June? Something is very wrong and it ain't Long Covid and maybe not even "covid". Spreading t/o whole extended families like crazy.

Maybe:

1) vaccine damage

2) effed up CNS/Immune system from the vaccine.

Well, #1 and #2 are one in the same. 😎

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Iwunder's avatar

Yeah, that could be very likely true. I mean it’s all a guessing game from here. You can find in a treatment protocols for vaccine injured from Flccc but yeah it’s another matter of getting them to take the protocols. I send some horsepaste to my parents in Saskatchewan Hidden inside a nice care package but they didn’t even touch it when they got sick. My dad‘s the worst the fear of being intubated is going to come true if he doesn’t smarten up and there seems to be not much I can do. 🙄😢😳😠😂

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

sumtingwong* brilliant!

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Mystic William's avatar

The reason is if they accept it they might actively find a way to beat it. Nothing lasts forever. Even a disease.

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Al X G's avatar

But sadly no sha la la happy Doris Day ending for these folks.

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Rabbitnexus's avatar

Long Covid does exist. I had the exact symptoms and they stood out, in August 2019. Realised mid 2020 it was this and it's creepy structure explained why it was my first noticeable viral infection in 38 years previously. Fast forward nearly 2 years and I was having a very marked problem with my memory, "brain fog" you could say and thrombosis. I treated this effectively with a herb which cured my heart disease years ago and it quickly receded but I remain hypersensitive to the Fauci Fleas they're shedding. Same as a mate's wife who also got it, we get sick in their close presence and can even smell them. The illness is pronounced nausea and it fades in minutes when out of their range. Not that all have the same thing and a lot of hypochondria has been released from anxious people. Their inner hypochondriac has been loosed.

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Peter Nayland Kust's avatar

And it's not just fighting off SARS-CoV-2.

Norovirus infections are through the roof.

Non-endemic monkeypox is spreading far more aggressively than the current African outbreaks (and that INCLUDES the Congo Basin clade cases that are likely at issue in the Democratic Republic Of Congo), and the countries where that spread is the greatest are all highly inoculated, while the countries where monkeypox is endemic have comparatively low inoculation rates.

https://allfactsmatter.substack.com/p/monkeypox-where-are-the-african-cases

We are seeing the emergence of broad data sets that indicate the inoculations have weakened immunological responses across the board. People aren't just more susceptible to COVID, they potentially are susceptible to everything. VAIDS is moving from conspiracy theory to conspiracy fact.

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Jeff Lebowski's avatar

Exactly as predicted by some (including The Dude).

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Peter Nayland Kust's avatar

As Jeff Goldblum's character in Jurassic Park observed, "Nature always finds a way."

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Steghorn21's avatar

Yep. Another "conspiracy theory" that turned out to be correct. When will people wake up?

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Thanks for all the good news!...:)

Just crazy...and predictable. It's unfortunate that this is self inflicted. Some of this may have happened, to a degree, even without the "vaccine". We tried to "hide" from it, giving the virus more time for recombination in a naïve sample of 8 billion hosts, spread across the globe.

Administering a vaccine in the middle of a pandemic (let alone a leaky one) just poured jet fuel on a forest of tree's with no bark. Repeating that every 4-6 months isn't going to just affect the tree's - it could very well affect the whole "ecosystem".

As far as I'm concerned, data and studies weren't necessary initially (they most definitely are now though) to understand this. Just common sense, observation and logic - it wouldn't have hurt to get a wise grandmother's input.

This has always been a matter of saving the MOST lives vs. trying to save every life. Fear and hubris lead to dismissing the least "bad" option. That's all we were ever going to be afforded. We chose to give the virus a year, waiting on a vaccine, without any other measures/therapeutics/ protocols to mitigate the threat and build herd immunity.

That in and of itself, prevented any chance of "cauterizing" the initial viral wave. During that time the virus was able to matriculate across the globe unimpeded. We couldn't make the "tough" decision above, so all hope was tied to a vaxx that was supposed to be a panacea.

Because it neither stopped infection or transmission, the population

ended up being a launching pads for variant after variant - and in parallel weaking the response to each reinfection, but ALSO weaking the immune system as a whole.

As you indicated, we are probably in a scenario, where our immune systems are in a slow roll to being neutered, by repeat infections that lack a full response, thereby diminishing the ability to clear the infection. All of which makes us more susceptible to other pathogens.

We are in uncharted territory. And I don't expect our public health officials to provide a solution

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

I agree with everything you just said. I need to replace the word vaccine to kill shot. Every time I write vaccine we tacitly lend it credence. It should have zero

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Peter Nayland Kust's avatar

Monkeypox is in the orthopoxvirus genus. Shingles is attributed to herpes zoster--a completely different virus.

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denis bider's avatar

But does it matter, when the media use shingles pictures as if monkeypox?

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Peter Nayland Kust's avatar

Yes, it matters.

For starters, shingles is a secondary expression of the herpes zoster virus. It is not the primary infection.

Moreover, conflating monkeypox and chicken pox obscures the relevance of exposure to or vaccination against other orthopoxviruses. Cross immunity is not merely a thing, it is the basis for smallpox immunization with the vaccine.

Finally, there is enough medical hysteria in the world --too much, in fact. It is far better to follow the facts and not be distracted by the hysterics.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Very insightful. Only the individual can truly know for sure that something is wrong with them. For example; I don't NEED to take a test to know I'm sick.

The sad thing is they will probably be dismissed as malingerers by the medical industrial complex. And by doctors themselves; what doctor would ever want to admit/acknowledge that they have some responsibility (tacit or not) for compromising someone's health - potentially for the rest of their lives- and maybe truncate their lifespan?! But rest assured they will collect their co-pays and bill for visits.

Further, can you imagine all the mental health issues we're going to see with the vaccinated, in addition to voluntarily compromising their immune system? - and possibly being ignored for it?

They would be in three vicious cycles; individually for both body and mind. And the worst; the feedback loop between the two. I think its safe to say, that the effects on overall health would NOT be just linear.

I'm not prone to depression, but i could see myself having "Mr. Scary" depression if I'd done that to myself. Heck, I'll be depressed for them.

Could there be anything worse?

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NewScott's avatar

Ditto with “I don’t need to take a test to know I am sick”. Do these people still have Mothers that cut the crusts off their sandwiches?

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

hilarious. and cut into the shape of a heart.

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Sophia's avatar

"I don't NEED to take a test to know I'm sick." How very 2019 of you. Oh, how I miss 2019.

I know someone who took three tests to prove to himself he had corona. Then he took some more to prove he didn't have it any longer. Somewhere in between, he took Pavloxid. Since he no doubt tests more often than he eats, and since he took Pavloxid, I have no doubt he's gotten more positive tests back.

He's spent so much time testing over the past 2+ years, even the guy manning the corona testing van thought he was going too far.

P.S. This guy works from home. Sick or no, he spends most of his time away from other people.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

The inanity. I almost feel sorry for them. How do they have so much time for this shit?!

These people will be "terrorized" with FEAR the rest of their lives. And many will be wearing mask in perpituity if they think there's any threat at all. I wonder what this latest generations going to look like after the horrible example the adults have set with their behavior of the last 2 years. Cowards for the most part.

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The testing for some people has gotten to the level of OCD.

And to think of the abuse kids are having to experience in the name of not killing their grandmothers and whatnot. What kind of people are these children going to become? These are future politicians. Are we going to end up with a whole bunch of maniacal, cruel Trudeaus (etc.) on our hands?

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

I'm thinking that's possible after watching the last two years. Bunch of cowards who try to guilt and shame us for not subjugating ourselves. Because we can think for ourselves

And you know how I feel about the children. Whats been done to them fills me with anger

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I'm not terribly kiddy-widdy, but seeing the abuse people are doing to children makes me physically ill. How can people who claim to love kids do such awful things to them? Their minds have become twisted by fear and illogic.

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Jim Foye's avatar

A lot of the posters on the reddit forum are absolutely obsessed with testing.

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Iwunder's avatar

We are looking at mortality rates to be increasing and even exponential?

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Level The Matrix's avatar

I believe that will be the case. Those who have been boosted, in particular, will not last too long. Each successive injection further debilitates the immune system. I know people who have gotten one shot initially early on and had Covid several months to a year later who are well enough for the time being. No “long Covid” in them that I’m aware of.

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The BarefootHealer's avatar

There is zero way of ever knowing for sure. If it had been protecol for everyone to have a D-Dimer test, before and after each shot, then it would have been quickly apparent and traceable. Cancer rates are up across the type and those with no "aparent' effects, I'd be checking in with them in 3-6 months.

(note- bit of grey zone re the data on cancers, as 5 year remission is considered "cured", but there's lots of reactivations lately, so blurred lines and all that. Gives that wiggle room though, to massage the definitions as done in OTHER areas.

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Tim's avatar

A big increase in cancer would be passed off as a result of cancer treatments not be available during lockdown, in reality cancer sufferers staying away from the chemo/radio therapy butchers is far better for them.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Exactly. And it will continue to provide "cover". This all stems from not being able to prove a negative with the initial measures. It's only one facet, but probably the most diabolical in this dirty rat trickbox that only lucifer himself could've devised. It is the foundation of the current state of affairs. The rest of the variables are sequela to the initial measures that could not be proved or disproved.

Quite tidy and elegant with plenty of versatility for "updates" and "upgrades".

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Level The Matrix's avatar

True on all counts.

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Evil Harry's avatar

A lot of the graphs appeared to show that those who actually survived a single jab were doing the best of all.

The unjabbed were second best and then it all went tits up for the booster junkies.

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I believe that's changed. All cause data, when adjusted for shots status, says none is best, 1x is next best, and so on- except for the under 18s and wait for it....the elderly!! So we are literally back to "killing grandma" again. This time by iatrogenic not pathogenic.

The sad part is, that elder category is moving downwards, with more shots. So check in in 9mths and you'll see them redefine what "elderly" is, just like they redefined who's at risk for heart attacks.😐

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Well said. Coincidentally I just pointed this out somewhere else on this posting. The unvaxxed will be affected as well. No immune system can handle constant waves of variants without some damage. It just can't keep up and have enough time to rest and heal itself.

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Joseph Vincetti's avatar

I would hope natural immunity from prior infection is more robust than the leaky jabs meaning the unvaxxed should not suffer as many or possibly any repeat infections.

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denis bider's avatar

I believe this is an artifact because those who were harmed by the single jab were being counted as unvaccinated if it happened within 14 days of vax.

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Evil Harry's avatar

I agree with that, but when the ONS was actually showing the data, the 1 jab column was usually showing the lowest incidence of death and hospitalisation.

I take no delight in saying that, because it does muddy the waters somewhat.

However. If the jabs do indeed cause a rise in other diseases, I would expect that a 1 jab recipient will maybe suffer the same immune suppression, but at a slower rate than the booster junkies.

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It will be interesting to see what the death shot uptake will be this autumn/winter. I'd like to think that many people have wised up, but I doubt it. I feel I should be putting up posters and handing out leaflets to give them the facts, but to be honest, I can't be bothered. If they don't know the truth by now, they never will.

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Jim Foye's avatar

Maybe, but of course we'll all hoping that's not the case.

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CW's avatar

I notice the ones Igor post on twitter - majority don't say "thanks to the v..."

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Some say they got Covid after their third shot wore off, and they’re mad at the CDC for not letting them get a booster.

Really, the CDC should be studying this strange, highly contagious, masochistic yet brain-dead condition. Only the ones who didn’t get mass formation syndrome have attained herd immunity against it.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

We are in the survival group.

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Evil Harry's avatar

Maybe they are and it shows that the shot is working better than they expected.

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Freedom Lover's avatar

What if it took the vaxx three shots to kill the brain and program that psycho wish for more? 🤔

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Igor Chudov's avatar

Mostly official people say that nowadays

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Rubberto Kaufen's avatar

1 in 600....1 in 150....1 in 100....2 in 50...etc....soon, very soon, the data will represent a larger percentage that has to wake up more and more individuals. Has to. Well, at least 70%. There are the 30% MFS folks that will succumb to their embedded dependencies in the state. I cannot understand their rationality, never will, thankfully.

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A lot will choose to not wake up.

They will have to face the reality of what they allowed evil people to do to them.

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Evil Harry's avatar

Terrible. I have sympathy for the innocent child, but none for the idiotic parent.

She has created her own family hell.

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LawyerLisa's avatar

I agree. I'm seeing it in my body.

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Rabbitnexus's avatar

I've heard this a few times now and the frequency is rising. What's crazy is that some refuse to acknowledge the obvious correlation with their jabbery and already accept the idea their survival lies in more jabs. The "but lucky I got jabbed, or it would be much worse" leaves me shaking my head all along.

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I do not like censors so I have ignored anything on Reddit for years. I wanted to sign up to make one comment on r/COVID19positive but did not.

"Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadows of the walking dead, I will feel no evil. For vitamin C&D, zinc, and quercetin are with me."

Reading about 50 entries at reddit was terrible. I could not continue We are living with the walking dead, the zombie apocalypse. My experience with Covid19 version 1 after taking the supplements for 8 months: I woke up soaking wet after a fever sweat. Sheets were soaking wet. At least a pint of sweat. That was it. I never felt ill, no symptoms. I slept through the fever. I may never have a cold again.

The reddit people truly are zombies and I do not want their deadly attention. The zinc and zinc ionophore are too late for them. I always mention what worked for me, but reddit is not the place to do it. The censors at reddit have killed these people. They just haven't noticed it yet.

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Igor Chudov's avatar

Reading reddit makes me similarly unsettled

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Iwunder's avatar

I hear you. I shared similar information i.e. zinc that was not typically found in that group, I received about 15 negative reviews and then I was banned for life. God has been dethroned and replaced by ’ Science’. It’s a pity for those that have been coerced and are looking for help in that room.

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Arnold Snyder's avatar

Maybe they're saying their immune systems are wrecked because their immune systems are, in fact, wrecked.

Their interferon signaling and production is wrecked. Their T cells are wrecked. Their vax-inspired antibodies enhance infection. Their tumor-suppressing genes are turned off. And more:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027869152200206X

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As a naturopathic oncologist, I have seen this daily for 15 years, usually after a person is poisoned so extensively by chemo that the oncologist has told them, 'There is nothing more we can do; it's time for hospice.'

Then the chemo-poisoned individual shows up for a Hail Mary pass at my clinic hoping for a miracle. We try our best, but it would have been vastly better if we had met them a year or more earlier.

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Stan_R's avatar

Naturopathic oncologist? Do you use IV Vitamin C for treating cancers?

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Dr. Colleen Huber's avatar

Yes, among other needed nutrients, explained in detail on my Cancer & Biochemistry videos at our site NatureWorksBest.com

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AM Schimberg's avatar

God bless your work Colleen!

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Zade's avatar

I'd come see you before I'd ever consider allopathic oncology!

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Jjule's avatar

Oh thank you for posting the link.

How many of us are now never trusting the Rockefeller medical scammers again

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UnExperts Inc.'s avatar

Bingo Colleen. What's happening here with "COVID" vaccines should guide/lead the gullible masses to another Medical Myth: "chemo is a miracle drug" (quoting Tucker Carlson and MANY other naïve people).

The reality is $$chemo$$ is another deadly fraud (one of zillions within "medicine") that cripples, disfigures, destroys, kills so many people. Poison in the body is not well tolerated, you know?

$Vaccines$ are poisons. $Chemo$ is poison. Many $meds$ are poison to the body. The *daily* destruction from the above is mind boggling once a person finally realizes the Truth about "Medicine"

"chemo is a Miracle Drug!" is equal to "I'm pro vaccine!!!!!" or "No! I'm not an anti-vaxxer!!" All should be chucked over the left field fence; but they persist.

Great post.👍

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Phil Welsh's avatar

The etymology of words held important clues before the Rockefeller/Carnegie families declared war on natural health with the issuance of their Flexner Report in 1910. My 1848 edition of Noah Webster's "American Dictionary of the English Language" includes the following entries:

1) "pharmaceutical": From the Greek "pharmacopaeia", to practice witchcraft or use medicine; poison or medicine.

2) "witchcraft": The practices of witches; sorcery; enchantments; intercourse with the devil.

The only true plagues in today's world are BigPharma's and BigBioTechs products, folks! Our telescreens are saturated with propaganda urging us all to "take your medicine" or "ask your doctor" or "get your jab".

Caveat emptor...

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Some conventional cancer therapies work and save lives and I send patients to get, but others have horrible risk/benefit profiles and since the whole industry runs on fear patients normally get pulled into all of them.

One of the things that's extremely challenging in medicine is treating cancer patients because that's the #1 area alternative doctors are targeted for not towing the company line (there's a lot of money in treating cancer), so often times you have to get lucky and find a ND who really knows their stuff (which is quite difficult)

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"The whole industry runs on fear." That is so true. Today was a typical workday, in that an imaging report came in for a patient with language that sounded ominous to the patient. But pulling up and examining the images together, and then calling the radiologist for clarification of our questions, it turned out to be benign. It sure did not sound that way from the report. This happens to one of my patients or another at least once every week or so, I'd say. Imagine if we had taken the imaging report at face value, and she'd made dire treatment decisions, based on pessimistic sounding words.

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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

First thing I always tell patients with suspected cancers is not to give into the fear. Despite me continually counseling them on that through the process, they often still do which is a testament to how strong the apparatuses around cancer is.

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"since the whole industry runs on fear patients normally get pulled into all of them."

What you stated is so important. Because there are 'some' who can be helped. The problem I have with this is, it's extremely vague - and also rare. It sounds great ('some can be helped') and the vast majority of people are always on the lookout for things that SOUND great. Especially re: health/medicine(s).

The ones who are helped by chemo are in the vast minority, but yes, SOME can be helped. And the god awful 'side effects' and how horrific people feel after the poison is in their body; has to be taken into consideration.

You're a very detailed, meticulous person. I've read some of your substack: https://substack.com/profile/76762071-a-midwestern-doctor.

Maybe you <or some other Doctor> in the future can break chemo down for the naive. Breaking it down meaning, explaining in detail how one should go about making a decision when to do chemo/radiation and when one shouldn't. I realize it's not cut and dry; but a guide.

Taking the 'some are helped by chemo' would be similar to me saying: "some are helped by taking anti-depressants" - which you extensively wrote about on your substack. Extremely misleading (not your website-the quote above).

It's true, I'm sure somewhere between 1% & 5% are actually helped by AD's (for whatever strange reason). But when taken as a whole i.e. those helped versus those destroyed and those dead and those in prison AFTER taking anti-depressants; well, it's not a pretty picture. Net/net, human beings should avoid AD's. Yes?

I could say the same for the vast majority of meds out there, not just the insane psych meds. In fact, if I twisted a few facts around, I could make the case that "some are helped" by the "Covid" vaccine. How disgustingly misleading on my part, if I ever stated that (which is done by others on a daily basis). Which I never will.

"Some are helped" doesn't cut it. We need to - in/with objective detail - define 'some'.

All of your points, well taken.

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The basic issue I'm dancing around is that if I do not feel I am competent in a topic, I do not want to write about it because I feel it's extremely inappropriate for me to put potentially inaccurate information out there. With the cancer subject, I do not frequently treat cancer patients due to the immense degree of liability that's involved in it and the fact that many doctors lose their licenses for doing holistic and alternative cancer therapies. At the same time it is something that I have found extremely interesting, and frequently studied. My general perception is that in almost all cases, chemotherapy and radiation therapy do more harm than they benefit the individual. However, there are certain chemotherapy is for specific types of cancers that work quite well and are not as toxic. Many of those have only become available more recently as there has been a trend within cancer research to make drugs specifically targeted to certain cancers rather than chemotherapeutics the target every cell in the entire body.

In most cases, I support getting surgeries true move cancerous lumps before they metastasize. In some cases you run the risk of spreading a cancer by operating on it, but provided the tumor is in a safe area to operate, it is immensely beneficial to do the surgery, and I have had friends who refuse surgery because they hated the cancer industry and then subsequently died for my cancer I felt probably could've been treated if it had been addressed earlier.

My general preference is to surgically remove a cancer, and to consider in chemotherapy if it is specific to the cancer and it has a relatively good efficacy to toxicity ratio (many do not) and it will not bankrupt the patient (many of the chemo therapies are incredibly expensive).

There are a lot of alternative cancer therapies I believe work much better than chemotherapy (including many wish for all practical purposes have been erased from history), so I have the luxury to often avoid that aspect of cancer care. Typically, cancers arise as a result of a systemic imbalance within the body, and unless you address that in balance, it is quite likely the cancer will come back later. The problem is that very few people have the skill in background to accurately recognize these imbalances and correct them.

I hope that is helpful since it still somewhat of a non-answer to your question.

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UnExperts Inc.'s avatar

Yes. Thanks

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Peter Nayland Kust's avatar

What we are seeing is certainly analogous to the chemo effect. The distinction is that chemo is generally longer in duration.

However, it is quite possible that the immune system damage attributable to the inoculations is cumulative, just as would be with chemo.

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Igor Chudov's avatar

And chemo is given to dying people, in hopes that the dying people die a bit later.

The covid vax is given to formerly healthy people

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This is a very important point most people don't get. To some extent you can justify a toxic therapeutic to treat an already existing disease, but it is almost never mathematically or ethically defensible to give a toxic treatment to a healthy patient to prevent the potential of later developing a severe or fatal disease.

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I tried to account for that in my wording!

Since Igor runs a math website I try to periodically jest with how the entire COVID situation is also immensely mathematically frustrating.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

You're right. How do people not see this at this point? The lack of common sense and unwillingness to course correct is breath-taking. You would think a person would rather be right than consistent when it comes to their health.

The cumulative aspect is the part that's grim. I hate talking about it, especially the implications it could have on the children. They could've been spared, but otherwise decent people, simply did not give much thought to the implications of using them as "shields". And f'ing masking them all day - even at recess! I am still astonished by this. It is obvious that this is/was WRONG. There is no such thing as a "little" child abuse. This country did it for two years with barely a peep - that's not a good harbinger for the future.

IMO the masking and "vaccination" have already become "immoral" as it relates to children. The refrain about how resilient they are is disgusting to me. Of course they're resilient - as most humans are. But what does that say about the resiliency of the person saying that? It was hard enough for adults to make sense of this shit-show. I wonder how the children processed the isolation and covering their faces? What about being surrounded, unnecessarily, in a "spirit" of FEAR for extended periods? I wonder how they're going to feel 20 years from now about the behavior of the adults? They will eventually figure out they paid the price, without a voice or consideration for their future. And all for nothing. Their future was mortgaged for fear and laziness.

What species can survive if they "eat" their own? It's been a really bad showing for adults. And the harm to the kids in many places is still happening. The children bared most of the burden, with their whole lives in front of them, with virtually zero risk. Just disgraceful and it was for two years!

Sorry for that rant...

IMO, If you have multiple infections with short intervals, it is almost certain to be cumulative. If you had multiple old fashion colds 3 or 4 times a year, with 7-10 days duration for each, over a 10 year period, you would be damaging you're immune system and quite possibly some of your other bodily systems. You just can't spend 30 or 40 days a year sick and not have a cumulative effect - and perhaps an acceleration of the acceleration of the cumulative effects over time. Couple that with the normal aging process and the wick burns at both ends.

Unfortunately, it will probably affect us all, regardless of "vaccination" status. The unvaccinated to lesser degree because at least you had a full response and some cross immunization to subsequent variants.

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Sophia's avatar

"The refrain about how resilient they are is disgusting to me." So true. Even if the children are resilient, since when is a person's level of resilience a reasonable excuse for abuse?

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

I know Sophia, it gives me such a heavy heart watching whats been done to children...no less by selfish adults.

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Elizabeth Reeves's avatar

You are absolutely right.

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BigT's avatar

Seen it once. My dad got 1 chemo treatment and went from playing golf 3x week to the grave in 3 months.

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Igor Chudov's avatar

And how quickly would he go without the chemo? Do you have any estimates?

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BigT's avatar

Prostate cancer survivor from 1998. Spread to liver and lung had been managed w/whatever that drug is that reduces testosterone (I forget). Lit up in liver (maybe lung, too) late 2016. They tried something else then talked him into chemo. I wasn't in on discussions with CA Dr as I'm out of state so I don't know (or forgot what I was told) his prognosis. But, even if it had been the same 3–4 months, at least most of it would have been active, not in rapid decline from systemic poisoning of chemo. He literally played golf Monday, got the chemo Tuesday, played golf again Wednesday, in hospital by Saturday. All downhill from there.

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I can estimate. As a naturopathic oncologist, I have treated cancer patients for 15 years. Please see my response to Napoleon above.

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Vigilant Amalek Snow Leopard's avatar

Here is what is fascinating.

Geert has steered clear of VAERS and injury saying that it is not his field of expertise. So that is one separate path that he did NOT predict that the exp, injections have done enormous damage which appears to be just beginning. Let's call that the 'safe' path.

He still maintains that the COVID Injections are going to do massive damage on the other path, the "effective" path. The effect of the exp. injections has been to potentiate harm from the variants which have now mutated away from the computer code Wuhan strain as he predicted.

And he maintains that a virulent virus is still to come with the heavily jabbed in dire risk.

He has maintained throughout to never get seduced with a moment in time, but to track patterns and waves.

I don't think this story is over yet.

As for our fact checker? He's in a cult.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

He knows who butters his bread... that's a lot of grant money...

I spoke to one of the sub-authors of Great Barrington a few times from April 2020... when Bossche came out with his initial predictions - I think Q1 2021... I asked him point blank - will GBD scientists get behind him?

No -- he intimated that this would end careers (see Yeadon and Bossche) as pharma is a major source of research funding for universities --- he also stated that nobody can be certain Bossche's predictions would be accurate.

Plenty of company there...

The thing is... this is way bigger than careers.... that said I do not blame them ... the powers behind this will not be moved by Bossche --- and even if a 1000 top guys in the industry had his back... nothing would change.

They are at war with 8B people - they will - do whatever it takes to win --- so far so good - they barely have had to lift a finger-- it's been mostly complaining on substacks ... and some marching about with placards shouting freedom....

They ended the truckers without much effort in Ottawa... what happened to the US version?

If it were to go beyond that you'd see the fangs come out ... the PTB are not messing around... they will not allow their plan to be impeded.

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Leslie Benjamini #🟦's avatar

I read a day or so ago that Moderna is throwing out 30 million doses of jabs. Nobody wants to take them. There is no news about Pfizer, but what’s not to assume it’s any different with them, they just don’t want the news out to hit their stock price. My point is, if the people left in the world who have refused to participate, keep refusing & the PHARMA companies who depended on this cash cow can’t depend on it anymore, maybe the whole thing will come crashing down BECAUSE FINALLY ENOUGH PEOPLE ARE AWAKE.

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Clearly there are people coming off the Injection Bandwagon.

But from what I can see the majority are still trusting the science... loads are boosting.

Not that it matters - was we can see the end game is approaching now -- VAIDS is happening.

Even if loads of people woke up completely - what could they do? March around the block some more? Complain on Substack and ask people to debate them?

The people running this show are dead serious - they are at war with us. Anyone willing to go to war with them? Ok - take some pot shots and the politicians - watch how quickly the anti-terrorist outfits will be on you ... watch as your neighbours call 911 and report you...

Anyone willing to die for this? Nope. It's not a fight - it's suicide. Anyone even considering turning to violence will be put down hard.

Keep in mind - all communications are monitored ... if they pick up a key word that indicates violent intent --- the monitoring does from AI to HI... a person will be watching you.

Resistance is Futile -- it's not like with a normal rebellion where a friendly country will arm you and support you against their enemy. Every country is your enemy.

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I think you missed my point. In every plan especially this one, everything has to go as planned to a great degree. All of a sudden this isn’t happening. I don’t know where you are getting your stats on tons of people are getting boosted. I do know tons of people are resisting & not getting shots two, three & boosters. In the USA we have a lot of of people who never got jabbed & will go to their death before they get it. Me being one. They have hit a wall with their plan. That wall is parents not willing to sacrifice their children. Not all parents but a huge number. Schools are losing kids because the parents refuse to jab or mask their kids, even in California, that everyone thinks is the land of fruits & nuts. We are also forming a New California 51st State. Don’t believe me look it up:

www.newcaliforniastate.com within a few months this will be a reality. Please look it up. 22 million people refuse to put up with this crap anymore. Illinois will be next. By 2030 it is estimated that there will be 60 States in the USA. If we survive Biden.

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Leslie Benjamini #🟦's avatar

https://gettr.com/post/p1d2pae6322 Here is more evidence of doses being thrown out. 82 million of them. They can try to spin the reasons, but IMHO PEOPLE ARE WAKING UP.

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They are waking up too late... 5B+ have been injected already. The poison is beginning to work https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/overall-deaths-in-australia-where?s=r

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I know a number of people getting their 4th dose. Some already had covid. It's like they are addicted to them. A friend from college just posted on Facebook getting her 4th dose, so she could prevent from getting covid on her summer trip to Europe. I was astounded by the comments such as 'I got mine', 'need to get mine', where did you go to get yours' etc.

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And then she’ll get sick and wonder why.

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Maybe I don't get out enough -- but when I do I am not hearing any negative chatter from people about the injections.... I do know some people who have stepped off the shots after their second --- but that's likely too late (needle in x 2 damage done).... but I don't think there is overwhelming opposition to these shots... most people I know still believe the injections are Safe and Effective ---- and that they prevent severe Covid.

One CovIDIOT recently said that perhaps China is locking down because the Sino vaccine is not Effective .... I said -- all the vaccines have failed... come on he says - they still prevent deaths.... no point in going any further on that.... I showed Joel Smalley's data to another CovIDIOT and he rejected it outright ... it is impossible to win that argument

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Steghorn21's avatar

Such people are beyond hope. They won't change their minds no matter how much hard evidence you give them.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

More than enough people have these shots into their bodies to destroy their immune systems... we are now starting to see the end results of that --- Australia sets the pace https://www.headsupster.com/forumthread?shortId=2659

Whatever boosters they continue to inject just moves us further past the Rubicon...

Eventually - as Bossche suggests -- we get a mutation that is lethal ... and this thing blows wide open

It does not matter if not a single person takes another shot.

Mission is Accomplished. Now we just wait to die

Here is the plan in full detail https://www.headsupster.com/forumthread?shortId=220

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Tom Hogan's avatar

Keep your vitamin D levels at around 50 ng/ml and you should be fine.

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Well...I guess the jabbed have to reach the 100th monkey, the point of no return where the red pill comes on its own and the truth is unavoidable.

When 6B people realize they were poisoned on purpose, that they got convinced into giving poison to their kids as well and that public funds were used for this on top of the rest... I believe they will be unstoppable. And it will necessarily turn to violence, as they will have nothing left to lose, not even their lives drawing to an end.

I do not encourage violence (ever!) and as unjabbed I will try to stay away from it - I am not sure that the mad crowd will take the time to remember we fought in order to avoid for this to happen.

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I spent 10 weeks in the middle of the riots in Hong Kong in 2019. Hundreds of thousands and up to 2 millions were involved.

I witnessed some very extreme violence -- petrol bombs bricks you name it - they threw them at the police. If they could have got their hands on a cop without question he'd have been torn into pieces. Seething hatred.

But they never got their hands on a cop -- they came close -- but the cops used live rounds and shot two of them. Hot lead has a way of making the angriest of crowds recalibrate.

I watched the cops many times beat the shit out of these kids with batons... I saw them empty an entire cannister of pepper spray into the face of a teen. Horrific violence.

End of the day the government has cops on the force who have no problem with doing what they are told... borderline psychopaths... not hard to find people like this -- look at the people injecting... and doing what they are told - and they aren't even paid.

I guarantee you violence will fail. The PR people will spin this as terrorism against a government that is just trying to save everyone from a very deadly disease.

As usual the MOREONS will follow whatever the Ministry of Truth tells them ... they will think whatever they are told to think... and they will help the anti-terrorist squads identify the 'bad actors'

Anyone ready to die for this? Nobody was willing to die in HK - so when the authorities got serious -- the resistance melted - and now it's a police state - and they are like beaten dogs.

Revolutions need popular support -- and they need logistical support particularly weapons.

Who is going to support these would be freedom fighters?

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6B people will be too sick to mount any resistance, and more than you can believe will continue to believe the jabs extended their lives, that they were just unlucky.

The rest of us will be too busy burying & cremating to do more than sadly shrug & think told ya so.

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oana's avatar

I guess we'll have to wait and see, but they will not go unpunished, of that I am sure.

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CurtNorth's avatar

I don't disagree with you, so do you see a pathway out of this impending doom?

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Igor Chudov's avatar

Hi, keep something in mind regarding doom and gloom. Even in the worst case we survive as a species. For example about half of Americans have N antibodies and possibly still functional immune systems.

Many people never had Covid at all

etc

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Mystic William's avatar

Also, our immune systems are beyond amazing. Unfathomably. Our systems will defeat the poison in time. How many die before that happens is anyones guess.

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JMJ's avatar

Yes among about 7 family members from un injected, doubled jabbed to boosted, none have caught COVID.

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CurtNorth's avatar

True, but how many won't survive this? If millions perish over the next several years, what will happen to our supply chain? Our national security? Our way of life would be completely different and our standard of living would dramatically decrease if only 1/4 of us were gone.

I suppose the silver lining would be that those left would be critical thinkers and never allow something like this to happen again. Anyway you slice it though, things are looking pretty dark for the next few years.

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I don't think he does. Some of what's getting posted here is feeling like fear porn, where all we can do is sit and type our timorous comments because "They" are out to kill us all. I think humans are a lot more rugged than to have 8B croak on schedule.

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Yes, I try to stay aware of the doom and gloom stuff, but this isn't jet contrails or reptilians running our government, the world-wide vax program is something a scale we've never seen before, and if the shots really are not only ineffective but actually dangerous...? Well, then we're truly in unknown territory.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

I initially grasped for salvation setting up a doomsday prepper situation a few years after GFC then realized that was futile for so many reasons ... so I just went whole hog into bucket listing 4 multi-month trips per year to some really cool places -- e.g. Patagonia, Uzbekistan, Yemen, Jordan, Russia, Irian Jaya, Haiti, North Pole, etc etc etc..... all those place you say you'll get to some day...I got to

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Also, what is GFC?

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CurtNorth's avatar

There is logic to this attitude. It's self-defeating and convoluted to think "I can't visit a place because one day I might not be able to visit that place". Visit now, life is to be lived. Yes we can make some limited preps, but if things collapse on a big enough scaled, all the freeze-dried food in the world won't really matter much.

Just this past weekend we booked a trip to England, a place I've always wanted to see.

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Most of the doom predictions assume that we are passive and have no agency. A good example are the concerns about censorship by FB, Twatter, et al. Conservatives said that this would kill free speech. Sure, it has gone a long way to doing that, but it has also forced us to create whole new lines of communication such as Substack, Telegram, etc. Another example are CBDCs. We'll all be forced to wear the mark of the beast or starve, say the doomsters. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe instead we'll create our own underground currencies or barter. There is always a way out.

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We are living what malthus predicted for us - only much much worse.... we are eating oil.

Prayer beads... the bible .. the koran ... reruns of Dancing with Stars... whatever calms the nerves ... why not

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Rick Larson's avatar

Gardens work better.

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Level The Matrix's avatar

Enough people are awake and continuing to wake and the fact is at the end of the day, Pharma is merrily killing off it’s own base that uses them and that they profit from. More and more everyday, people are seeing Pharma for what it is and turning away from them and their potions.

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Metta Zetty's avatar

"Pharma is merrily killing off it's own base." ~ I've been thinking this months, and I've been shocked no one else has mentioned it.

Thanks for stating what, to me, seems undeniably obvious ~ and far too often unknowledged.

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Mystic William's avatar

Pharma though is run by demons. Bourla doesn’t care if he kills his market. He doesn’t own Pfizer. He will make his $20B before Pfizer goes down. As it will. It isn’t like those making Bs care about the industry or their employees or their shareholders. They want their magnificent bonus. Steve Jobs cared about Apple. The founders of companies are emotionally invested in their companies, top to bottom. The corporate bureaucrats that end up running these behemoths don’t care about anything but a short term spike in share prices in order to get their bonus.

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Level The Matrix's avatar

It’s the most obvious thing to me. Maybe others see it, too, but have been unwilling to say what we’re thinking.

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Metta Zetty's avatar

...and the logical conclusion is that those of us who remain are not gonna go along with whatever Big Pharma plans to offer up next! ;-)

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Rick Larson's avatar

Part of this fascist religion is to kill off as many as possible to secure resources for their progeny.

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Iwunder's avatar

Bingo. I am a Canadian expat but I’m also first Nations person. The story of my tribe has been passed down through the generations. In 1900 we had a thriving community in northern Ontario. It was self-sufficient and it had its own lumber resources, fishery resources, water resources. The government came in signed a treaty and moved the whole community by gunpoint to swampy land. That was the end of the tribe. we exist in Name but we’ve been scattered all over the place. And it’s so obvious to me now, it’s about the land it’s about the resources, it always has been, what they did to the first Nations is what they’re doing now, and it’s the same actors. They did this to the Indians, now everyone on earth is an Indian. There’s something wrong with them.

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Rick Larson's avatar

Yes, thank you for this comment and I am sorry. This economic/social system will fail for lack of resources idea comes from a North American as yourself. At least there is a picture of and indigenous person to this continent with the statement. I will add soon to this idea.

The best I can do is offer advice (next to no one cares though) to learn how to grow food without agribusiness inputs as your ancestors did, mixing in some modern discoveries, you may be able to squeak through the coming bottleneck. I've been experimenting with a lot of these ideas including growing wild rice in small water areas! You have all the compatible environmental tools built inside you to live here and have a higher chance of making it through though. I wish you well.

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But so sadly, the damage has already been done to 60-80% of our population. 😰 At least in the western world.

And with the state of decay everywhere (continuously rising fuel costs, lack of supplies, soaring food costs along with reduced availability), it is going to be even more challenging for the remaining healthy folks to be able to care well for their ailing and chronically ill and dying family members and friends while still maintaining their own affairs and well being.

This has been/is an attack on humanity by the Evil One himself. God help us.

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Level The Matrix's avatar

No doubt

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The BarefootHealer's avatar

No, pfizers Albert Bourla' s crying at Davos, that they have unwanted shots, due to 'uneducated" vaccine deniers. He said they would be "pushing government to new agreements"....

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Steghorn21's avatar

Can you believe that this monster is the child of Holocaust Survivors? Didn't he ever question his parents about Mengele and medical experimentation? A true psychopath.

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People don't often talk about their truly terrible pain/experiences, and frankly most prefer not to know.

I doubt he/they would have talked about it at all. At risk of offending, and not dismissing those that have suffered due to his company, but he's just doing business. I'm less upset at him, he has an obligation to his shareholders. I'm jacked at the scientists in his company- who should freaking know better!!

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He doesn’t care about his shareholders. Pfizer won’t exist at some point in the future. Five years? Ten, max. He cares only about his yearly bonus. No amount of ‘he’s doing his job’ makes sense when he’s killing people.

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Level The Matrix's avatar

Then let the government people take them. Leave the rest of us alone.

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Metta Zetty's avatar

Although they are becoming more rare, on my more optimistic days, I like to contemplate the end of Big Pharma:

> https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx

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suubstaack's avatar

"Never get seduced with a moment in time, but to track patterns and waves."

Exactly!!

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Leslie Benjamini #🟦's avatar

His theory is that it will take time for a super deadly variant to appear, if I remember correctly. It could be anytime from now to years.

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Metta Zetty's avatar

More recently, I heard GVB say (in a Dell Bigtree interview), it will probably be within the next month or two.

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TexBat's avatar

Sounds vain but that’s why I’m trying to do stuff like go on a short family vacation and take my kids to the zoo or get them in VBS now. This might be the last chance

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(tear emoji)

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Palamambron's avatar

What's it going to be like when flu season comes back and all these people have no immune systems? Brother Bugnolo was right all along. Could be. I hope not. Luc Montaigne said we should be planning on how we would get rid of all those bodies at once. You can't find that on the internet now but I heard the original version (13 minutes, not 2 minutes).

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Crixcyon's avatar

There is virtually no more flu season...it is now fake covid/variant season.

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Level The Matrix's avatar

I attest that he said that about disposing of all the bodies. FEMA has a plan for that that’s been in placed for about two decades now.

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Metta Zetty's avatar

Yikes!

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Yo's avatar

by that time there'll be moneypox, marburgers, pfizebola, and other things to "really get their attention" with "pandemic 2"

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Yo's avatar

plus various global food starvation, fuel cuts, electricity & comms shutdowns, etc... ppl only riot when they're lacking food/$

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Level The Matrix's avatar

Not true about the “only riot” due to lack of food. These days, rioting occurs because the wind blew the wrong direction.

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I wonder what Igor thinks about prepping

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Fast Eddy's avatar

I'd suggest cremating them but that would take quite a bit of gas ... and as we know gas is in short supply and already very expensive....

Burning them a la Varanasi won't work - we'd up with a global Haiti....

Can't feed the to dogs... that would just end up killing the dogs...

Dig massive trenches and bulldoze them in? I would have concerns about the VAIDS thing getting into the water table...

Bosh this is a huge problem... maybe we could do what we do with other toxic waste like spent fuel rods... put them in massive ponds and fill them with Lysol ....

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Palamambron's avatar

Incineration and mass graves are the top two ideas. In that situation, there are two kinds of people: Pilers, and pile-ees. I'd rather be a piler.

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Stan_R's avatar

Feed stock for power plants!

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Mix them together with waste plastic and burn the lot!

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Metta Zetty's avatar

"As for our fact checker? He's in a cult." ~ Well said!

GVB has also said nature will reach an equilibrium, one way or the either:

> Either we kill the virus (in the vaxxed who have compromised immune systems) by using good antivirals (Ivermectin, etc.), or the virus will kill the vaxxed hosts, who no longer have a working immune system.

And, regarding vaccine injuries, GVB has said they will pale in comparison to the devastation that will occur if he is right about (1) the destruction of the vaxxed immune systems and (2) the eventual appearance of a more virulent virus.

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Luke's avatar

Found Geert last fall 2021. Somehow he reached into my soul. When he choked up about the mass vax campaign moving closer to the kids I almost did as well. Thank goodness cowboys don't cry or we would have had a mess ;) Last fall (when I first saw him) from his interview from The Highwire I believed him. He said the vaccines would eventually assist the virus in it's battle with the host (infectious & virulence). Del Bigtree helped me understand it with his football analogy. This was absolutely proved several months later with the entrance of Omicron. So to this I say keep going you fact checking fucks; make Geert's day.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Del did a superb job making sure an average 12 year old could understand GVB.

Sadly I know of partners in law firms and financial wizards who are unable to understand GVBs warnings... no matter how simply they are explained

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Luke's avatar

Hey FE I miss you brother. You could always make me laugh!!

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Vigilant Amalek Snow Leopard's avatar

Well put, Luke. I actually was there in Summer 2021. He saved a lot of people some heartache.

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InfoHog's avatar

I watched Bret Weinstein get a little more suspicious about those products when GVB was on his show for the first time... he spoke his language, evolution, and it dawned on him that the design of those products, in that regard alone, was either immensely stupid (or nefarious, although at that point he did not openly consider that direction)

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That was a freaking good interview. Bret recognized game straight away.

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InfoHog's avatar

As for heart ache, remembering some of the conspiracy theories, this seems right now like not the best combination of band name and song title: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiDnB-CrrNs

The song has nothing to do with it, I'm tired-ish enough for unfiltered association. But it's kind of a nice song, if you can dig the "louder" parts. The distance to bridge he sings about then again reminds me of your sister, or in general, people we maybe never thought we'd be apart from in a way, divided by perception, seeing two different movies in the same theater

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A cult? He's "You pay everything, I'll say anything" type. He looks like an especially slimy car salesman. Also, I don't trust people with tiny sunglasses, but that's just me I guess.

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Vigilant Amalek Snow Leopard's avatar

He has dual cult citizenship!

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Mystic William's avatar

Justin is not a Kissinger. He has no strategic abilities. He is a face that is nearing its end of utility. He is like a Hollywood starlet, offered fame and perks, and then is messed over by Harvey W before being cast aside. He will be kept as long as they think he can win. Which is now over.

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Vigilant Amalek Snow Leopard's avatar

He is a fascinating case example of the Dumbass Trope who easily gets co-opted into Evil.

Both dumb and evil.

Not the diabolical mastermind type.

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Mystic William's avatar

He’s a real life Pinocchio. But I’ve heard some really bad stuff about him. Really bad. From a legitimate source.

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Vigilant Amalek Snow Leopard's avatar

Dr. Mike Yeadon cynically suggests that Justin Trudeau and the other WEF Young Leader Tools will be eliminated as soon as they are not useful or needed.

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Level The Matrix's avatar

I have said for years that once their usefulness is through, they will be, too.

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Metta Zetty's avatar

Exactly. My assumption has been that they will all be disposable as the Great Reset advances.

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Wiremu Harpuka's avatar

I highly doubt that (although it was recommended by my father for people he once knew like Bush senior and Kissinger) as we still enjoy Helen Clark mooning around like a humourless Boris Karlof.

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Level The Matrix's avatar

That’s quite a mouthful. 😂

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Vigilant Amalek Snow Leopard's avatar

Yes, when I heard him say that it immediately felt resonant. And it had not occurred to me at all.

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Unjabbed Oregonlady's avatar

Right after the vaccine rollout I luckily accidentally found a video from Geert that changed my whole thought process on these vaccines... He saved my life but unfortunately I was not able to convince any friends, family members, or my adult children.... Only my 88-year-old mother.... Needless to say I have not nor my mother had even a sniffle in two years but my fully vaccinated family and friends have cancer, Bell’s palsy, Covid, swollen lymph nodes, heart monitor and this is truly my story...

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Igor Chudov's avatar

I am so sorry. Congrats on NOT partaking

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Unjabbed Oregonlady's avatar

At first I just said I’m gonna wait for a while to see what happens but then of course more and more information came out..

I can’t believe there’s still people willing to take this death VAXX... As my ex sister-in-law said to me in May 2021 when I told her about what I had learned about this vaccine program

She said “they wouldn’t do that” and she’s a retired RN and sometimes you just have to walk away.... It hurts my heart though because I know that those people are going to suffer greatly as well as we are, watching our loved ones fadeaway

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Igor Chudov's avatar

I had the same experience. "Wait to see", "it does not make sense", "they are criminals" was my transformation

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Level The Matrix's avatar

That last one sums it up entirely. I wish they’d take themselves out and their offspring and leave all of us alone.

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Metta Zetty's avatar

"At first I just said I’m gonna wait for a while to see what happens but then of course more and more information came out."

Reminds of this bit of wisdom:

> "No one becomes pro-vax with research."

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Level The Matrix's avatar

I don’t mean to sound insensitive about my own loved ones, but I have emotionally distanced myself from all those I know took the injections. I gave them all the information very early on, as I’m plugged into Dr McCullough’s email group and Doctors for Covid Ethics. There was never a point when I even considered taking one myself. My entire circle of friends has abstained and wouldn’t consider doing so, either. We’ve all had Covid a couple times and recovered well, even though I and a couple others did initially have some bad cases.

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Steghorn21's avatar

Agreed. I will never see my aged mother again because I am not vaxxed. My brothers are all jabbed too and are not interested in seeking my company. So be it!

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Kate's avatar

Thank you Kali. You expressed my own feelings about bioweaponized family members. I try to steel myself daily from the coming heartache.

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Level The Matrix's avatar

I’m sorry. I know that it’s not an easy place to arrive at.

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Doug's avatar

You are unvaccinated, as many of your friends are, and you all had Covid a couple of times? I thought natural immunity prevented reinfection except in rare circumstances. If the unvaccinated can get reinfected, then that should also diminish their immune systems between infections and put them at higher risk for a virulent variant, other infections, or anything else their immune system staves off, I would think. I recall GVB said as much is his earlier predictions (he said we needed lockdowns to reduce viral pressure and hence prevent mutants, which would effect the vaccinated and unvaccinated, as I recall), but he seemed to change recently focusing only on the vaccinated being at risk with his super-variant prediction of "1 to 2 months," which was about 1 month or so ago. Perhaps it is a matter of degrees: a person is just much better off being unvaccinated, especially given the signals in VAERS, etc. etc., etc., etc.

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Level The Matrix's avatar

Well, my partner and I had something “different” than anything else either of us have ever had, so that was likely “Alpha”. He in December 2019 and myself in Jan/Feb 2020 after which I developed symptoms described by those w long Covid, which is very odd bcz in general, I am extremely healthy. That about did me in w the atrocious lethargy, long term constant shortness of breath, neuropathy etc.

Of course, we’ve never tested, so who knows outside of the fact that symptoms match exactly those of what others have described w each and they’re definitely not like any known illness for either of us. Then in July 2021, I got the same symptoms matching “Delta” and he then got the same symptoms in September 2020 and had a very bad case which we handled at home using the early treatment and progressively for full blown. He is 69, 68 when ill, so age was a bit of a concern. However, he was in excellent health. We don’t use the allopathic system and only very rarely use any practitioners. He was adamant he was not to be taken to the hospital under any circumstances even considering a few very concerning days. Interestingly, when I got on the FLCCC protocol prescribed by My Free Doctor, in July 2021, everyone of the long Covid symptoms were fully and completely recovered and I am once again back to my active and healthy self.

As for our friends and acquaintances, most have had Covid twice that I’m aware of, some w Alpha and Delta, but more with Delta and Omicron or at least matching symptoms. These are all very healthy people who don’t use the allopathic system at all, many in the natural therapies healing arts and several are medical practitioners in one form or another.

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rjt's avatar

You have a close match to our experience in 2019-20, even down to my age. I think we skipped Delta, but our son returned from Europe in Jan., 2022, and we sequentially had Omicron symptoms, with his LFT ( self test from Europe) positive.

I didn't use my Ivermectin hoard, we weren't that sick. I am saving it for detoxing our coerced daughter.

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Kate's avatar

I believe GVB said that as the Bioweapon jabbed continue to get infected they will produce more variants. They variants may become more virulent, also impacting the Unjabbed. We all need to strengthen our immune systems.

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Doug's avatar

I totally agree we all need to strengthen our immune systems. Hopefully, the vaccinated will be able to mount a better overall immune response than merely the antiquated spike antibody they've been vaccinated to produce. However, it seems a concern if the unvaccinated are getting reinfected as the previous poster seemed to indicate happened to their "entire circle of friends" who are unvaccinated.

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Genevieve's avatar

Ok I don’t know how to send you my email. Ugh. Subscribed to your substack though!

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Genevieve's avatar

I follow him on IG. Can you direct me to where I can subscribe to his emails? His profile on IG has a website for his new book only. Thank you. Oh, and I should mention that I have his IG posts on notification alerts because NOT ONCE have I seen his posts in my feed - serious shadow banning.

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Level The Matrix's avatar

If you send me your email, I will have you added to the email group. They don’t like the info given out publicly. We, all who are vocal against the agenda, are censored. I don’t see that improving anytime soon.

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Genevieve's avatar

Omg I couldn’t figure out how to locate this comment to see what-the-heck I’d written and replied to. Finally found it! There appears to be no straightforward way to do that. I just downloaded the substack app (vs. browser only reading) and that’s how I saw your reply. So now I’ll figure out how to DM you!

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Vigilant Amalek Snow Leopard's avatar

He was my first clue that we were making an enormous mistake and that something had gone gravely wrong.

Dr. Peter McCullough took it from there.

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Stan_R's avatar

1st modern scamdemic. 46 million in US jabbed, deaths and injuries. The trick..very limited supply of the Jab juice, so people were lined waiting for hours. Sencer declared a worldwide pandemic based upon (one death) of a army recruit who had walking pneumonia and then when on a forced training march. Peter Jennings full video interview is hiding now somewhere on U-tube. 1976 | CDC Director Sencer Questioned On Swine Flu Vaccine. Vaccine X53A Was Never Field Tested https://youtu.be/Zn5AE09kKOA

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Level The Matrix's avatar

I am glad you and your mother haven’t taken the injections. It is grace that allowed your ears to be open. I’m very sorry to know your loved ones weren’t as wise.

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Copernicus's avatar

This is what is so heartbreaking: the damage done to those folks and the fact that it cannot be undone.

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Level The Matrix's avatar

I’m not sure which is more sad, the fact that so many willingly and anxiously signed themselves up to be injected or the fact that so many capitulated so easily when “mandates” were put in place.

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Mystic William's avatar

This might sound strange. I practice Ayurveda and have for 25 years. At one point I had a reasonably large number of HIV sufferers on my caseload. Gay men, some of whom had been suffering for 15-20 years. They all had similar pulses. I’ve been taking peoples pulses who have been double and triple jabbed. Some of them show the exact same pulses as my HIV clients. Only they’re not HIV sufferers. But they have something similar.

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Former UK resident's avatar

Very interesting obs. I've heard an experienced healer in the US, saying, he has tried and there's nothing he could do about the thing in the body, as it is unnatural (man made ) and he can't manipulate and change the energy pattern. That might explain this catch 22 infection. Let us know how you get on with your patients..

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Metta Zetty's avatar

Dr. Paul Marik has spoken emphatically about being able to provide treatment for vaccine injury using the FLCCC's iRecover protocol:

> https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-recover-long-covid-treatment/

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Genevieve's avatar

Thank you! Needed this today to forward to my sister. BTW, I'm trying to heart your comment, but it won't work. This happens often to me. Don't know why.

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Genevieve's avatar

Oh, lookie there, it worked!

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Metta Zetty's avatar

Thanks for the share and the like!

FWIW, here are more resources related to recovering from vaccine injury, just in case they might also be helpful:

> https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/026b4e1bd888

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Mystic William's avatar

I have found in my practice a drug reaction is hard to treat. It has to go away. However, I do know how to treat these pulses. It might be treatable

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Former UK resident's avatar

Ah I think I know what you mean. Sometimes ppl have been given multiple drugs. And it feels as though you were swimming in the muddy waters. Can't see thru clearly. The reaction / effect is in your way. (That's my experience).

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Mystic William's avatar

Yes. The jabbed show a long term virus in them. Inflammation. And a weakened immune system. With the odd person showing full on AIDS pulses. They show the same pulses, everyone of them. Which means they’re all fighting something the same. What I don’t know is whether every person will eventually show AIDS pulses. If they end up with that then we are in a world changing event. I think we are even if it is just an entire generation weakened. But if they all develop AIDS then it is a catastrophe.

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Former UK resident's avatar

Just to update. It sounds like their DNA has been altered. (Means their baseline template is altered). Do you see a difference in the pulse patterns between the jabbed and the naturally infected persons without the jabs even though they may present similar symptoms?

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The Beach Is My Bliss's avatar

I would love to know what the pattern of pulses are that you've found.

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Mystic William's avatar

It’s complicated to explain. I’ll think about how best to explain it.

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Stan_R's avatar

PAD, peripheral artery disease

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Truthbird's avatar

Are the pulses you're referring to distinct from those found in sufferers of other chronic health conditions such as myalgic encephalitis / chronic fatigue / immune dysfunction syndrome?

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Mystic William's avatar

But similar to CFS. Not the same though.

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Truthbird's avatar

I imagine it's impossible to describe in words, exceedingly subtle, and that only very sensitive people can even begin discern those subtleties in the first place. Is this true?

I used to do therapeutic bodywork. I took a course in cranio-sacral therapy at one point in my career. I rarely felt that I could actually feel the cranio-sacral rhythm in other people when I "worked" on them (though "work" is the wrong word to describe a practice as exceedingly subtle as cranio-sacral therapy) but I know for a fact that it's real, because I was very clearly able to feel it within myself, within my own head, especially when in a state of deep meditation. It's a profound mystery, and a blessing to be able to feel it within oneself.

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Canny Granny's avatar

I never heard or knew anything about Ayurveda until last week. Your post makes the third time in less than a week that I have seen that word. I will be trying to learn more about it. Three’s the charm.

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The Beach Is My Bliss's avatar

The universe is communicating with you! :-)

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Fast Eddy's avatar

AIDS VAIDS.... both are a result of being injected....

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Metta Zetty's avatar

Good data on ADE and VAIDS has been coming out of the UK:

> https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/275bc6e81f76

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Metta Zetty's avatar

VAIDS = Vaccine Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome

> https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/2f930f8e788f

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Level The Matrix's avatar

It’s been named VAIDS. How do the pulses differ in those w AIDS? That’s a curious observation, one if not heard before.

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Metta Zetty's avatar

I don't know much about Ayurveda, but pulse diagnostics is a standard Ayurvedic practice ~ and, from what I can tell, it is one of the most sophisticated (and subtle) diagnostic tools available:

> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Ayurvedic+pulse+diagnosis&t=brave&ia=web

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Madeleine Love's avatar

How is the pulse different?

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Ddm's avatar

Do you see the pulse issue in unvaxxed who have had covid, maybe with some lingering issues?

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Dr Linda's avatar

I could say something more intellectually stimulating but all I have right now is “there is a special place in Hell for these people”

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John Cave's avatar

If you Google “Geert Vanden Bossche” today this infuriating hit piece is still the first result listed. What does that tell you?!

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Igor Chudov's avatar

It tells me that I should write an article about it :-)

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Tricia C's avatar

Yes please.

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BabyDogOfJustice's avatar

Yes i have to use Duck Duck Go because google is now useless.

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Igor Chudov's avatar

I only use google for "Wal-Mart near Me"

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Fast Eddy's avatar

I am a heavy search engine user... and I search a lot of stuff that might make a totalitarian state uncomfortable ....

I had to give up on Google because it was constantly forcing me to complete Captchas to prove I was not a robot ... if I don't use google for a week or so ... and I go back I don't get the Captcha straight away --but if I continue to search the get the block appearing again.

I am generally not on a VPN so not sure what's going on there -- perhaps they want to make my life difficult?

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Level The Matrix's avatar

They know that people are largely lazy, so they’ll give up or be satisfied w the results provided.

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INFJ-T Advocate's avatar

What search engine are you using?

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Duck Go.... end of the day they are all monitored... Telegram will be monitored too.

Have a mate who founded a pan-Asian telecom company in the 90's --- he warned me about saying anything compromising on a phone way back then (I played for a hockey team he sponsored) -- we are forced by governments to install monitoring software.

This has been going on for a very long time....

At least Duck Go does not impede my searches

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Level The Matrix's avatar

😂

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Vigilant Amalek Snow Leopard's avatar

Sadly, Duck Duck Go is also going down the censorship road:

https://www.visiontimes.com/2022/03/10/duckduckgo-information-censorship-russia-ukraine-war.html

It will never stop with this:

Weinberg announced March 10 that his company would begin shadowbanning outlets that it considers “associated with Russian disinformation” amid the conflict in Ukraine.

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Colin Brace's avatar

Ditched DDG and now using https://presearch.com. So far so good.

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Vigilant Amalek Snow Leopard's avatar

Thank you. I have noticed that DDG has been making all my COVID searches very different from just a few months ago.

They are captured. It's just so incredibly insidious.

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Copernicus's avatar

Does presearch block tracking? I too am unhappy w DDG.

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Wiremu Harpuka's avatar

Thanks

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Tricia C's avatar

Yes indeed. Another one bites the dust.

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Vigilant Amalek Snow Leopard's avatar

How long before they come for us here? On Substack?

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Stan_R's avatar

Prediction if you're not compliant (vaxxed-ID'd) you won't have internet access.

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Tricia C's avatar

What have we turned into?

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JMJ's avatar

Shortwave radio?

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

Use Brave.

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John Davison's avatar

Try - Yandex.

It is, I believe a Russian, oops, version of Google.

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Dosha's avatar

I left the duck and went back to Start Page. Dunno if they censor but Duck Duck Go got to be too much with their PC.

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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

The only search engine I can find most of the things I need now is Yandex :(

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Crixcyon's avatar

I am using Yandex from Russia...that is how much I trust the normal search engines.

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cl's avatar

to use swisscows, qwant or yandex ; ))

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John Cave's avatar

I performed an experiment and tried searching “Geert Vanden Bossche” with all three search engines. Hit piece was #2 result with swisscows, #3 with qwant, and #4 with yandex. Yandex wins!

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John Cave's avatar

Correction: with yandex the hit piece was actually #5 and Igor's substack article about the hit piece was #4! We have to use yandex now!!

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BabyDogOfJustice's avatar

Sadly this was also postulated by Geert. People getting reinfected and it slowly grinds them down, Its a pity because if there had been no vaccination this party would be over.

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Metta Zetty's avatar

True ~ and the Amish in the US proved it:

> https://ugetube.com/watch/amish-covid-full-measure_ccDwKD8q2Ol7MLF.html

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Genevieve's avatar

This is great! I've met a number of Amish and I respect every one of them. Loved what he said at the very end. He is spot on!

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Dosha's avatar

This makes me sad and ticked off because I'm sure tptb know this.

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Vigilant Amalek Snow Leopard's avatar

I made a "micro" comment down below. If I may, here is the "macro" perspective.

This is really not about Geert, any more than Malone, or Berenson, or Kirsch, or any other person that runs afoul of the Global Governance.

The world is captured. By a relative few. They own all industry, and all media. They absolutely own Big Tech. Academia.

In the past, you would be lied to by YOUR government. Now we have a Global State. This is this insane preoccupation with making bioweapons and vaccines and deferring sovereignty to the UN, through the WHO.

Fact Check McGill Cockroach?

He is a paid propagandist who works on behalf of the (hijacked) US Global State, to include Five Eyes, NATO, Council for Foreign Relations, etc. They are not going to allow Geert or McCullough or even Joe Rogan to speak truth which threatens the Biosecurity Medical Model of Fascism.

The guy from Kanada, McGill guy? Is a cockroach. He is not a lot different than any of the Gleaming Frauds or Trudeau, or WEF lapdog.

This is our world now.

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Bill Dhaliwal's avatar

Please watch https://rumble.com/v179jh6-digital-id-or-digital-prison.html, it is an eye opener.

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JW Writes's avatar

Between this chronic Covid and the terrible side effects, I’m afraid we are in for a very terrible decade. I know one person who now has myesthenia gravis and one who was just diagnosed with Krutchfeld-Jacobs (idk how to spell that!). My mom has proudly gotten 4 shots now and if I don’t hear from here in a couple of days I get very nervous. She is also a cancer survivor and I worry about the sudden onset cancers people are seeing. Her sister has been in treatment for stage 4 ovarian cancer for several years and of course also gotten who know how many shots. I guess for her, it’s a gamble worth taking, but they both were SO clueless about it. It’s unbelievable

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Metta Zetty's avatar

I truly hate to be the bearer of bad news, but cancer + the jab has never been a good idea:

> https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/v_526b35afac9a_e9a9592ddb2b_61b933dceda2

Wish your family members all the best in the days ahead.

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Copernicus's avatar

This is just awful.

I too worry about the family members I have who whitlessly took the injection. My elderly, frail mother in law whose daughter made sure she got it right away - my husband would have urged her to wait for a bit for more data. My sister in law who likewise assumed she was doing what was wise, as she is a cancer survivor. Thankfully neither plans to get boosters, at least.

My brother in law who apparently took it for travel and who, at least at one point, was just wishing everyone would take it “so we could be done with this.” He is young with young kids. I hope he realizes how wrong he was, but I don’t know.

So many people just aren’t thinking this through, or haven’t even asked the right questions. How many people would have taken these had they been told they are genetic instructions that will go everywhere in your body and tell all of your cells to make this toxin for at least sixty days?

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Metta Zetty's avatar

Good to know they've decided NOT to get boosters!

You're last Q reminds me of this great video clip of Peter Doshi, a senior editor at the BMJ:

> Would you take the COVID vaccine if it was called a drug?

-- https://youtu.be/Sk7ENAyd-ns

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Cozy Cat's avatar

It's beautiful to see people standing up to tyranny.

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Bull Dog's avatar

My wife and I take Z stack and IVM prophylacticly and never have gotten sick. If we cought the virus, we never knew. Never been tested.

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J L Photo's avatar

Me and my mom have been taking a 200-400mcg/kg dose of the Ivermectin apple flavor paste from the farm supply store for almost two years now (since the delta wave I've upped the prophylactic dose to 2x a week), Been taking it ever since the first paper by Caly. in Australia came out in April 2020, then Dr. Paul Marik started using it in his first protocol June 2020. We both haven't got covid ((at least symptomatically, I literally haven't been sick in 2 years so Ive never even needed a test for anything..)). My mom works in a very high exposure job doing the laundry at a busy hotel.. like VERY contaminated linens, ALL DAY, tiny unventilated laundry room. everyone at her work is vaxxed and has had covid a couple times, she's the only unvaxxed person there and has never had covid. I've always added in Vit. C, Quercetin, Zinc, Vitamin D, Melatonin, Milk Thistle w/ Dandilion, NAC occasionally, daily green tea and dark chocolate.

Who else here already ordered their Purple pitcher plants (Sarracenia purpurea) for the monkeypox outbreak.. Well although I think only the vaxxed will get severe mpox due to weakend immune system.

"In Vitro Characterization of a Nineteenth-Century Therapy for Smallpox" - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3302891/:

"Our work demonstrates the in vitro characterization of Sarracenia purpurea as the first effective inhibitor of poxvirus replication at the level of early viral transcription. With the renewed threat of poxvirus-related infections, our results indicate Sarracenia purpurea may act as another defensive measure against Orthopoxvirus infections."

Take care friend

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Copernicus's avatar

Who else ordered their purple pitcher plant? 🙋‍♀️

I don’t yet know how to prepare it or what parts to use.

But, it’s fun watching it grow nonetheless.

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cc's avatar

Dr. Abby/Dr. Eugene talks about it on their twitter feed and gives dosages and a few other things that can help.

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Copernicus's avatar

If only I were on Twitter. {Not.}. But, thanks!

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J L Photo's avatar

Basically you want to use a 1:1 soil mixture of peat and sand with no added fertilizers/miraclegrow. Keep the plant in a dish with distilled or rainwater, and keep it in full sun, perferably at 50%+ humidity. The seeds I bought online but then I found out it takes a few years to get to full size. I was also able to find some Sarracenia purpurea purpurea plants (Northern variety for colder climates) at a local carnivorous plant nursery in the meantime. Here are some good links:

https://gardenbeast.com/purple-pitcher-plant-guide/

http://sarracenia.com/faq.html

https://www.carnivorousplants.org/grow/propagation/SarraceniaSeed

https://www.youtube.com/c/SarraceniaNorthwest/videos

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Copernicus's avatar

Yep.

I have a plant in such soil sitting on my patio. So far, it appears to be thriving.

I just have not yet researched what part of the plant to harvest and how to prepare a tincture from it for medicinal use.

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J L Photo's avatar

Sweet!

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cc's avatar

This is how it's done! Good job.

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koa's avatar

I sure was concerned about what Geert had to say until i met snopes and learned to stop worrying and love the vax.

Geert is just your local veterinarian who wants to sell his quack cure and get rich quick.

According to snopes.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/03/26/geert-vanden-bossche/

Not really.

Now I'm more concerned than before.

And i won't forgive snopes and this Jerry guy.

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koa's avatar

The snopes article never once mentions any of his credentials and instead ONLY refers to him as a veterinarian. And only in it to promote his own vax.

I have made these same comments over at the lively sage hana substack, but will post them here, too.

Geert Vanden Bossche received his DVM from the University of Ghent, Belgium, and his PhD degree in Virology from the University of Hohenheim, Germany. He held adjunct faculty appointments at universities in Belgium and Germany. After his career in Academia, Geert joined several vaccine companies (GSK Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines, Solvay Biologicals) to serve various roles in vaccine R&D as well as in late vaccine development.

Geert then moved on to join the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s Global Health Discovery team in Seattle (USA) as Senior Program Officer; he then worked with the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) in Geneva as Senior Ebola Program Manager. At GAVI he tracked efforts to develop an Ebola vaccine. He also represented GAVI in fora with other partners, including WHO, to review progress on the fight against Ebola and to build plans for global pandemic preparedness.

Back in 2015, Geert scrutinized and questioned the safety of the Ebola vaccine that was used in ring vaccination trials conducted by WHO in Guinea. His critical scientific analysis and report on the data published by WHO in the Lancet in 2015 was sent to all international health and regulatory authorities involved in the Ebola vaccination program. After working for GAVI, Geert joined the German Center for Infection Research in Cologne as Head of the Vaccine Development Office. He is at present primarily serving as a Biotech / Vaccine consultant while also conducting his own research on Natural Killer cell-based vaccines.

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PolarRoller's avatar

My take on vets. If you want to know about herd immunity..talk to the people who deal with herds on a regular basis.

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Formerly_Known_As_Someone's avatar

Albert Bourla is also a veterinarian. Probably Bourla was too heartless to stay in that blessed profession.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Snopes wife is a burned out former D-grade porn star and he apparently pimps her out behind the dumpster to hobos for loose change...

He'll do just about anything for money that Snopes character.

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Igor Chudov's avatar

His wife is a sex worker indeed. I respect sex workers, but people should stick to what they are good at, if she is good at sex work she should not be writing fact checks

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Wow. Surely he must be her pimp?

And yet the CCM (corporate controlled media) look to the two of them for fact checks...

It's almost as if they CCM is taking the piss of the MOREONS who strut around like cockatoos squawking Snopes Says! Snopes Says!

We live in what is know as a Shit Show.. the vast majority are run around by the nose by the PR Team. They can be made to believe just about anything... just need a big enough ad budget

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Formerly_Known_As_Someone's avatar

The site was already in trouble for plagiarism. Maybe we should alert Jonathan that Snopes copied him? https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/13/business/media/snopes-plagiarism-David-Mikkelson.html

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Fast Eddy's avatar

that too

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koa's avatar

The snopes writer has the cv of a "real" "science" writer.

I will never forgive him, but he deserves worse than that.

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Tommy's avatar

How long before these people start demanding Ivermectin, HCQ, etc?

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Mystic William's avatar

Everyone shows some immune compromised state. They all show inflammation in the body. Time will

Tell if they get worse, or their bodies learn to fight it off.

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Mystic William's avatar

If the bodies don’t right themselves we are in a cataclysmic event.

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Peter Nayland Kust's avatar

Unfortunately, the cataclysmic event IS "the bodies righting themselves."

The universal trend in nature is equilibrium. The shots and the lockdowns attempt to upend that equilibrium.

One or the other, the balance WILL be restored. The only question is how many bodies will it take?

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Metta Zetty's avatar

GVB has said the same thing ~ repeatedly:

> https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/the-doomsday-prophecy-of-dr-geert/comment/6985143

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Bruce's avatar

Regardless of any evidence presented the brainwashing has been complete.I am the only person in my family not vaxed.my bro,3bil,2sil,2 sisters,wife,3 kids all jabbed.My brother returned from canada in Jan 2022 and then came down with covid.When i asked how could that be,he replied with "thank god i had the jab-it would have been worse".When i told him no way would they get this poison into me,he said well hope you dont catch covid and die, or worse have long covid like a co-worker of his.This guy got covid in dec 2021 and has been in and out of work with illness ever since.Thats Long Covid apparently.When i asked my bro whether he thought maybe the jab is the problem-crickets.I desperately hope Geert is wrong also,because to be honest i dont want to live a life without my wife by my side

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Metta Zetty's avatar

The virus and the vax are both bioweapons (intentionally created to be harmful to human biology) ~ and the treatment for one often helps with the other:

> https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/026b4e1bd888

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Kit's avatar

The brainwashing has indeed been complete.

Same deal with my family. Parents, brother, sister and her kids all jabbed. Parents were boosted but were still afraid to go out to crowded places, because they admitted the jab isn't perfect, but at the same time kept trying to tell me to get it to protect myself. So they stayed mostly home and avoided crowds, only to ironically catch it at a gathering from sister's in laws. Wife and I caught it at the same time and being unjabbed we both recovered the quickest. Despite this, my guess is they'll still line up for their 4th shot for ongoing "protection".

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Metta Zetty's avatar

Tragic since there is a *direct* correlation between the number of vaccines and the destruction of the immune system.

> See the data from the UK

-- https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/275bc6e81f76

Plus, BigPharma knew about this correlation all along! For example, see this warning, buried in a 2016 article promoting Moderna's mRNA technology:

> Lipid nanoparticles "can lead to dangerous side effects, especially if a patient has to take repeated doses over months or years"

-- https://www.statnews.com/2016/09/13/moderna-therapeutics-biotech-mrna/

Here's more about what BigPharma knew and did not reveal:

> https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/v_cf9bc4fc2133_e0134d830a75_b84aff80e1c62151d0506ff2c37ebbe7b535c0d7a918bcfc

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Delred's avatar

I’m unvaccinated and I have had Covid twice. Delta in September and omicron about a month ago. Omicron was a walk in the park compared to Delta, but I’d still consider it a bad cold that I had to miss work for.

Anyway, I am not sure what good if any natural immunity will offer or if it’s even applicable with how fast the virus is mutating. Point being, what if the unvaccinated get sick four times a year too.

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Igor Chudov's avatar

It is possible also. In which case we are all fscked. I am not discounting your experience.

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Delred's avatar

I’m half serious and half mocking the narrative, but perhaps natural immunity will protect us from severe disease and death.

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Sophocles's avatar

I am the same. Delta in October, Omicron in March. They were very different illnesses from symptoms perspective except that the phantom covid smell I got with delta (for weeks) returned with omicron briefly. Omicron was a sore throat and lots of snot. Short lived. No fever, v little malaise.

I don’t feel like it got worse. My sense is that is the virus is sufficiently different through variants, you will catch it again but that your immune system is primed and you clear it quickly. People around me are still getting omicron variants, with a lot worse symptoms than I had (all vaccinated)…not sure they will be as lucky.

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Delred's avatar

I was likely close to death with delta as my oxygen level was briefly around 85. Our omicron symptoms were similar, sore throat and congestion, I did clear it quickly and only had to miss one and a half days of work. I hope you are correct!

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INFJ-T Advocate's avatar

Geerts advise is antiviral prophylaxis's. So for me this means the Vitamin D protocol and early treatment with Black Seed Oil capsules and Quercetin as per the https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-mask-plus-protocol/. So far so good.

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Igor Chudov's avatar

My oxygen was once at 88 (for an hour or two). I felt dizzy but overall it was manageable, I remember still browsing the internet at the time. Nov 2020

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Oregonian's avatar

I’m worried about this. Great that because I’m unvaxxed I have S and N antibodies. But my first Covid was Delta, second was Onicron. If Covid is attacking my immune system, distegulating my CD8 cells, crossing my blood brain barrier, causing systemic organ inflammation, and destroying the lining in my gut, that doesn’t sound great. My natural OAS is working against me, we’ve got a host population of a few billion people, and a disease that was ‘born to mutate’. Doesn’t feel good.

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Metta Zetty's avatar

Quite honestly, and with all due respect, I'm not sure "worrying" is going to be much of a help. "Focused attention on solutions" sounds better to me, since it helps to damp down the stress response in the central nervous system. ;-)

FWIW, here's a link to my collection of recommended resources for C-19 and C-19 vaccine recovery:

> https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/026b4e1bd888

Hope this helps! :-D

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Igor Chudov's avatar

Yes, much to worry about, and we need to seek a solution before it is too late

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John Cave's avatar

Geert’s proposed solution is to end the use of the leaky vaccines and switch to using antivirals immediately.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Yep. Given half a billion dollars has been budgeted to roll jab 4 in New Zealand (how much of that is marketing...) I don't think we'll be seeing a switch to Ivermectin (which is extremely difficult to get here)

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Oregonian's avatar

I’d settle for holding public officials accountable.

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Delred's avatar

Do you feel sick? I feel fine now, great actually.

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Oregonian's avatar

I’m not 100%, but my negative test was only 5 days ago.

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Madeleine Love's avatar

How long did it take you to get a negative test?

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PolarRoller's avatar

Yes…I cannot get the phrase out of my mind that attached very early on, maybe in January of 2020 “…all the ferrets died”..I just added the oak leaf “recovered” to my “vaccine free” medal, ..but what does it really mean if the vaccinees are creating an endless stream of virulent variants? Indeed, maybe it is the vax free who will go first?

Thank you Igor for “translating” Geert’s arguments into something ordinary mortals can get a grip on. I just don’t have the education in the fields necessary to follow him as a matter of logic, and it’s encouraging to find out that he actually means what I think he means.

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Metta Zetty's avatar

From everything I've heard and understood from GVB, he's not worried about the unvaxxed, since our immune systems are designed to prepare for and adapt to variants.

His concern has always seemed to me to be focused on the vaxxed because their immune systems can no longer perform as they should.

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Anja's avatar

Try not to worry. 😙💪 Stress and worry is bad for the immune system. I have stage 4 cancer, unvaxxed, und had omicron in March. But for the necessary testing here in Germany, I wouldn't have taken any notice of it. One night of cough, that was all.

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Metta Zetty's avatar

Very much appreciate your positive outlook, Anja, especially under the circumstances!

> When I say "try not to worry", it can sound polyanna-ish.

> When you say it, it sounds like wisdom. ;-)

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Anja's avatar

🙏😙🌺🌺🌺

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Even if only the jabbed end up wrecked or dead... 5B+ have had one or more shots...

Unplug even a fraction of them from the machine and supply chains collapse.

Once they collapse there will be chaos - you cannot put Humpty back together.

We all starve.

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Copernicus's avatar

Dr McCullough has suggested omicron is so unrelated to the original or delta strains that it should be called something other than covid-19. Perhaps covid-21 or something.

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Mystic William's avatar

It’s not a variant. It’s a new normal

Cold.

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

This is why Vanden Bossche recommended reducing/avoiding exposure to crowds. You need to be exposed enough to introduce your innate immune system to the virus, but avoid exhausting it with repeated and/or heavy exposure. And if you get infected, give your body time to clear it completely before re-exposing, which a healthy immune system can do.

Of course, there is no way to know how much exposure is "just right."

And given the damage done overall, like a nuclear holocaust, the living may come to envy the dead.

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