That was my argument when they came up with the "you are being selfish" response to not masking. I asked, even back then "What is more selfish, to refuse to mask for the .14% of the population that is going to die due to Covid, or if you are part of the .14% demanding everyone do all these things to accommodate them?
That was my argument when they came up with the "you are being selfish" response to not masking. I asked, even back then "What is more selfish, to refuse to mask for the .14% of the population that is going to die due to Covid, or if you are part of the .14% demanding everyone do all these things to accommodate them?
No one has worn mask in the context of respiratory protection against fine aerosols that carry viruses, throughout this entire bullshit. I see the efficacy of N95 masks (for wood dusts) and surgical masks (for spittle) is STILL being debated. I should point out it says it on the side of the box they come in. "Does not protect against viral transmission."
I know about RPE because I spent thirty years a designer and project manager in land remediation, brownfield regeneration and hazardous wastes management. The "face coverings" nonsense was one of the red flags early on. That and the big dance of the excavators in Wuhan. What a big show!
There were many reasons why many wore masks throughout the "pandemic." I'll give you a list here, it is by no means exhaustive. You may say that isn't what you meant when you made your assertion. My intuition tells me that what you meant to say is "The mask was not a legitimate deterrent for the context in which it was worn." I would agree. But here is a list of reasons why people masked:
1. They were told to do so. (move along to get along).
2. They did it to protect their loved ones. (It's not for me, but for everyone around me.)
3. They did it because the virus spreads in water particles. (There was a lot of "hot" water particle talk back in the summer of 2020.
4. The mask stops transmission. (They don't know how it stops transmission, but it makes sense on the surface. You cover your cough...if you wear a mask covering it must cover your mouth that much more effectively.
5. They wore a mask because everyone else wore a mask. (I wasn't going to wear a mask, but I cased a local grocery store at night to see if anyone at all walked in without a mask so see if there would at least be safety in numbers...I gave up and decided to go in anyhow and found no one stopped or questioned me.
My point wasn't concerning mask efficacy, but rather that these measures were never thought of in terms of "risk/reward." but in terms of "This is an evil bad scary disease and must be gotten rid of as quickly as possible to the expense of everything else."
You don't have to tell me your credentials. I have no credentials in regards to masks, but I am surrounded by people who do. I just knew that masks didn't work by asking common sense questions like "If masks worked, why didn't we wear masks each flu season?"
I understand why the general public complied, but I'd add herd mentality to that list. Social compliance.
"I must wear one because you wear one. But we both know these aren't really doing anything because we can eat a sausage roll round the side of the things and John down the road vapes straight through his. But we don't ever mention this and do it anyway and we don't dare question authority."
Most people will unquestioningly conform, however ridiculous or illogical the action.
Herd mentality, Mass formation, belief in the consensus, or as Bonhoeffer calls it "becoming stupid" in some ways it has helped us evolve, but in the last three years if has shown how it can lead to our undoing.
Herd mentality can be extremely helpful. If I eat from tainted food, and throw up, the tendency is that those around me will also throw up, probably because we oftentimes shared the same source of nutrition. That is helpful, makes sure that at least some people survived food poisoning back in the day. It also helps in terms of herd immunity.
Just being together brings safety. But it can cause irrational behavior as well, like stampedes, running off a cliff, and adopting ridiculous, ineffective, and sometimes harmful measures. And the tendency of this herd like behavior is to streamline and simplify it. "Any mask will do" "Two meters," "wash your hands," "everyone must vaccinate."
One of the most ridiculous examples of mass formation was seeing outside a restaurant "Mandatory masking" and you looked at the sea of tables inside the cafeteria and they were all eating maskless.If I had any spine, and some chalk and eraser, I would have erased that sign and replaced it with "Compliance signified by mask on entry, but once at the table, eat because the virus is the Santa Claus of viruses and knows when you are walking around and knows when you are eating."
The measures become more ridiculous as they evolve in the face of reality. What happens when people still get covid-19 if they vaccinate? Well then it's because enough people haven't vaccinated. Or they move the goalposts, and make up lies, and yet still support and maintain the behavior. The HHS still has PSA's in twitter about "Spreading joy and not Covid 19 this Christmas."
I love the people that assert they never had covid for three years, and then finally after being triple vaccinated, and double masked most of the time, they finally got it.
First of all, how do they know they haven't had it? Did they test themselves in november of 2019 when there were no Covid tests? They also knew back in those beginning days that there was "asymptomatic spread." How can they be so sure they were never exposed even while masked. They can't.
I think I had Covid in February and December of 2020. So why did I need to mask, get vaccinated, or anything for a disease I already had and for which had (at that time) a .3% death rate (and now that rate has dropped below .14%)
If there is a hierarchy of ridiculous decisions, it is any one that is dealing with the masking and vaccinating of children. The chance of a child dying from Covid is .0003% It is effectively zero. So hey, closing down school, isolating kids, masking kids, vaccinating kids was at best ineffective..at worst, harmful. They should be held accountable for their actions
Riddle me this, because to this day it leaves me befuddled
I have seen videos from inside these "vaccination centres" where a person received the concoction and promptly collapses unto the floor under the force of gravity, convulses, violently, then medics are pumping on their heart and the person get stretchered out of there.
The people witnessing this spectacle remain seated and wait their turn.
I guess normalcy bias can be an even more extreme (non) reaction than I thought.
That was my argument when they came up with the "you are being selfish" response to not masking. I asked, even back then "What is more selfish, to refuse to mask for the .14% of the population that is going to die due to Covid, or if you are part of the .14% demanding everyone do all these things to accommodate them?
No one has worn mask in the context of respiratory protection against fine aerosols that carry viruses, throughout this entire bullshit. I see the efficacy of N95 masks (for wood dusts) and surgical masks (for spittle) is STILL being debated. I should point out it says it on the side of the box they come in. "Does not protect against viral transmission."
I know about RPE because I spent thirty years a designer and project manager in land remediation, brownfield regeneration and hazardous wastes management. The "face coverings" nonsense was one of the red flags early on. That and the big dance of the excavators in Wuhan. What a big show!
There were many reasons why many wore masks throughout the "pandemic." I'll give you a list here, it is by no means exhaustive. You may say that isn't what you meant when you made your assertion. My intuition tells me that what you meant to say is "The mask was not a legitimate deterrent for the context in which it was worn." I would agree. But here is a list of reasons why people masked:
1. They were told to do so. (move along to get along).
2. They did it to protect their loved ones. (It's not for me, but for everyone around me.)
3. They did it because the virus spreads in water particles. (There was a lot of "hot" water particle talk back in the summer of 2020.
4. The mask stops transmission. (They don't know how it stops transmission, but it makes sense on the surface. You cover your cough...if you wear a mask covering it must cover your mouth that much more effectively.
5. They wore a mask because everyone else wore a mask. (I wasn't going to wear a mask, but I cased a local grocery store at night to see if anyone at all walked in without a mask so see if there would at least be safety in numbers...I gave up and decided to go in anyhow and found no one stopped or questioned me.
My point wasn't concerning mask efficacy, but rather that these measures were never thought of in terms of "risk/reward." but in terms of "This is an evil bad scary disease and must be gotten rid of as quickly as possible to the expense of everything else."
You don't have to tell me your credentials. I have no credentials in regards to masks, but I am surrounded by people who do. I just knew that masks didn't work by asking common sense questions like "If masks worked, why didn't we wear masks each flu season?"
I understand why the general public complied, but I'd add herd mentality to that list. Social compliance.
"I must wear one because you wear one. But we both know these aren't really doing anything because we can eat a sausage roll round the side of the things and John down the road vapes straight through his. But we don't ever mention this and do it anyway and we don't dare question authority."
Most people will unquestioningly conform, however ridiculous or illogical the action.
That, in a nutshell, is why we are where we are.
Herd mentality, Mass formation, belief in the consensus, or as Bonhoeffer calls it "becoming stupid" in some ways it has helped us evolve, but in the last three years if has shown how it can lead to our undoing.
Herd mentality can be extremely helpful. If I eat from tainted food, and throw up, the tendency is that those around me will also throw up, probably because we oftentimes shared the same source of nutrition. That is helpful, makes sure that at least some people survived food poisoning back in the day. It also helps in terms of herd immunity.
Just being together brings safety. But it can cause irrational behavior as well, like stampedes, running off a cliff, and adopting ridiculous, ineffective, and sometimes harmful measures. And the tendency of this herd like behavior is to streamline and simplify it. "Any mask will do" "Two meters," "wash your hands," "everyone must vaccinate."
One of the most ridiculous examples of mass formation was seeing outside a restaurant "Mandatory masking" and you looked at the sea of tables inside the cafeteria and they were all eating maskless.If I had any spine, and some chalk and eraser, I would have erased that sign and replaced it with "Compliance signified by mask on entry, but once at the table, eat because the virus is the Santa Claus of viruses and knows when you are walking around and knows when you are eating."
The measures become more ridiculous as they evolve in the face of reality. What happens when people still get covid-19 if they vaccinate? Well then it's because enough people haven't vaccinated. Or they move the goalposts, and make up lies, and yet still support and maintain the behavior. The HHS still has PSA's in twitter about "Spreading joy and not Covid 19 this Christmas."
I love the people that assert they never had covid for three years, and then finally after being triple vaccinated, and double masked most of the time, they finally got it.
First of all, how do they know they haven't had it? Did they test themselves in november of 2019 when there were no Covid tests? They also knew back in those beginning days that there was "asymptomatic spread." How can they be so sure they were never exposed even while masked. They can't.
I think I had Covid in February and December of 2020. So why did I need to mask, get vaccinated, or anything for a disease I already had and for which had (at that time) a .3% death rate (and now that rate has dropped below .14%)
If there is a hierarchy of ridiculous decisions, it is any one that is dealing with the masking and vaccinating of children. The chance of a child dying from Covid is .0003% It is effectively zero. So hey, closing down school, isolating kids, masking kids, vaccinating kids was at best ineffective..at worst, harmful. They should be held accountable for their actions
Riddle me this, because to this day it leaves me befuddled
I have seen videos from inside these "vaccination centres" where a person received the concoction and promptly collapses unto the floor under the force of gravity, convulses, violently, then medics are pumping on their heart and the person get stretchered out of there.
The people witnessing this spectacle remain seated and wait their turn.
I guess normalcy bias can be an even more extreme (non) reaction than I thought.
Fuck knows but that is mad.
Exactly.
The most important part is you said something.