It was difficult to read so many pages of nonsense.
A rate of cases in the vaccinated that is over TWICE the rate of cases in the unvaccinated, and that cannot be explained away by "biases" or "changed behavior", especially considering how dramatically case rates worsen in the recent weeks.
Vaccination rates have not been changing and plateaued long ago. And a few months ago, no one questioned anything while the junk vaccines were still working, and no one ever questioned UK's reported vaccination rates, which are based on specific named persons eligible for vaccination (NIMS).
What has changed now is the infection rates, not vaccination rates, and the academic ass-lickers come with all sorts of non-sequitur objections to the very clear picture that we are seeing, just hoping that readers will get tired of reading their lengthy nonsense and somehow would think that "experts are objecting to these numbers".
All of these publications have one goal in mind: to stop honest reporting by UKHSA.
Fenton seems to be one of the "good guys", I listened to his video lecture as well. Things are definitely getting more stable like you say, and also simpler: I don't think there is anyone left who is really sitting on the fence, and vaccination rates are not going to change much at this point.
That's also true. BTW in a local middle school, 70% of kids are already vaccinated. The remaining 30% are probably 11 year olds. This number shocked me when I saw it.
at least the overall premise and conclusion was that their figures indicated higher overall mortality in vaxxed vs unvaxxed:
"Our analysis clearly suggests that, when compared to ONS death figures from week 26, all-cause mortality (UMR) for vaccinated people, compared to unvaccinated people, is certainly higher in single dosed individuals and slightly higher in those who are double dosed."
At this point, the fact that the UK is actually publishing its data like this is one of the only reasons I'm chalking all of this COVID nonsense to government incompetence and not conspiracy theories.
Thank you. I really appreciate what you're doing here. I live in Australia where soon people will require vaccination to use non-essential services (and work most jobs). I feel ashamed of my country right now. Most people support this absurdity and outright discrimination. After all this time people still don't understand what their risk of developing serious symptoms and dying is. I'm so grateful that England is publishing this data (as well as for the new Swedish study). Hopefully the public and govt will wake up to the absurdity soon. It seems that not getting vaccinated and acquiring natural immunity is the best thing I can do for myself and others at this stage.
It literally pains me to read news about Australia. A beautiful country with beautiful people, gone totally mad because of censorship fueled fear frenzy. I am very sorry for you.
Wales claims to be the fourth most jabbed country in the world - more jabbings than England. I think it is about 90% jabbed in all adult age groups. The Welsh population has notorious health problems at the best of times, particularly obesity, respiratory diseases and diabetes. If it is of any interest the Welsh figures are on the Public Health Wales site here:
Conveniently Wales does not break its figures down between jabbed and non-jabbed or on age groups. But the Welsh Government has introduced vaccine passports - all parties voted for them recently - and is determined to test, test and jab, jab everyone.
In other words, 90% jabbed Wales could be about to face something truly terrible this coming Winter.
Great article. Thanks for crunching the numbers. You can also see the effect if you look at the raw numbers from, say, Week 39 compared with Week 43. They clearly show "waning effectiveness" in terms of catching the virus, but your numbers show the effects more dramatically.
This is why the UK government are desperate for people to get their (1st) booster. FIRST booster! This drama has got a long way to go yet! I dread to think what the adverse effects databases are going to look like after we reach boosters 4, 5 and 6.
P.S... just to let you know, the agency publishing these reports is now known as "UK Health Security Agency". I think they got rid of Public Health England. Maybe the name was too friendly ;)
New study from Sweden confirms the UK data: after about 9 mos. the effectiveness against infection turns NEGATIVE. The vaccine ENHANCES your chances of becoming infected after this length of time. This is the worst fear of ADE being realized. Absolutely IMPERATIVE that this data is confirmed in other countries where the the vaccine has been in use for 9 months or more. Note the advantage of the Swedish study is it COUNTS THE INFECTIONS SINCE AN INDIVIDUAL WAS VACCINATED.
This enables you to see directly how your chances of infection are WORSE when you get past about 9 mos if vaccinated. The UK data only counted overall infections in vaccinated since vaccinated started. They did not specify since time of vaccination.
See the Swedish study discussed here:
Ben M.
@USMortality
New study from Sweden, (preprint) published in The Lancet, reveals that #Covid19 vaccines have a very short lasting effect!
- VE against infection drops below 50% CDC threshold at 5 months (6m for severe)
Thanks. The UK data also shows it. It is totally convincing. The virus does not know what country it is in, it just infects everyone who is infectable.
The biggest question is, will protection from death also go below zero? This is the worst outcome, I hope that it will NOT be realized.
Just excellent, Igor. Thank you for the time and effort it takes to crunch the numbers. And I agree with Andrew below that the more likely reason for this clown show is just garden variety incompetence. Probably mixed with a huge dose of hubris, stupidly believing that they had a thorough enough understanding of the human immune system to force an inadequately tested product onto the population.
Hopefully they'll leave this data source available to you, but I wouldn't count on it. Governments, and their pharmaceutical pals, tend not to like being embarrassed.
Thank you for the compliment. I believe that this nonsensical situation will resolve in a few months with an extreme embarrassment to various governments, momentous changes in culture and politics, and so on. Not sure if PHE reporting will survive for long enough but this is a time limited situation.
I also do not think that our rulers are that stupid, I believe that there is more criminality than a lot of people assume.
Here's the thing. Igor is talking about how the media is complaining that this is fueling the arguments of "anti-vaxxers," because well, it is. The data shows that this is all spiraling out of control. If the government all of a sudden stops reporting this data, do you think people will ask more or less questions about it? Right now I'd be willing to bet most people in the UK aren't even aware of the fact that their death and hospitalization rates / 100k are climbing relative to the unvaccinated. The only people talking about or looking into this are really the people that are already biased against the COVID/vaccine propaganda. You never know how many people you'll turn on to the cause if they stop reporting, and people start informing their friends, family, and groups on the internet that they're hiding the data now.
This is why we need to share this as widely as possible. We should invite disagreement and even ridicule from Covid cultists, as being in an argument might actually open up a mind or two. If you open one person's mind in a day, this is a day well spent.
I find that arguing with COVID cultists ie people who talk nonsense like "Colin Powell died because YOU DIDN'T take the vaccine (which doesn't prevent transmission)" is a complete waste of time. I think the only way anything changes with those people is if their family and friends begin dying, which makes these "rare cases" seem less rare to them. With people who are on the fence, or at least are willing to argue with you based on scientific studies and facts, I find debating with these people is worthwhile. After a while, they usually don't have much to say, because even when you go to the primary sources like the Pfizer Trial, there's so much concerning and misleading data that it HAS to make these people ask questions about all of this.
I have the opposite opinion. Any word out there is helpful. Even if you do not change mind of a rabid Covid cultist, you might plant a small seed of doubt in their head. Or you might place a seed of doubt in someone else who is near.
Embarrassing a Covid cultist with well prepared data may make them less likely to spread their misinformation in the future.
Also speaking out defeats the appearance of consensus, which convinces the weak minded.
Just a FYI. It is worth having a look at Professor Norman Fenton's twitter threads - @profnfenton on twitter - who is in touch with the ex-nhs statistician "John Dee". It looks like Prof Fenton is inclined to agree with John Dee that there is no evidence the vaccines offer protection.
John Dee's Facebook group is "John Dee's Almanac" group where he posts some interesting figures and analysis.
I also think so. The vaxxed are in a very bad quandary -- the vax waned and is not working, and immune system is destroyed. So they need more boosters. They are now the hostages of Pfizer.
The boosters will not be endless though. They will just die after a few.
Here's my question. What is the mostly likely outcome here? We know from the past that this mass vaccination campaign can lead to a Marek effect, which would drive the virus towards being more lethal for unvaccinated people. But the spike protein that the mRNA vaccines instruct your body to make have toxic effects as they become dislodged from the cell membrane and travel throughout the body causing blood clots, strokes, heart attacks, etc. Is it likely that the virus will mutate towards being lethal for the unvaccinated, or will enough people succumb to compromised immune systems, and spike protein induced vaccine effects as people take the boosters without question?
It is a great question to which I do not have an answer. I am also wondering what the correct and true answer will end up being the actual case.
But I expect that the unvaccinated people will almost all acquire natural immunity early (I already did last year), and as such will just watch the remainder of the show from the sidelines, having robust natural immunity.
The vaccinated will probably wonder "how can I become un-vaccinated", to no avail.
If this does turn out to be the disaster we suspect it will be, and the vaccines are ultimately wiping out people's immune systems which will require frequent boosters going forward, I have to ask how many of the same people who told all of us to do our part and take the jab, will also put the survival of our species at risk by taking frequent booster shots, driving us towards a worst case Marek's scenario?
We are not chickens, we do not live in coops, and we have a lot of natural immunity that is likely going to hold up against variants.
It may be that some unvaxxed who are covid naive, might regret not getting it earlier.
If the vaxxed die off, it will be completely tragic for most of us who have vaxxed relatives or loved ones. But I do expect the humanity to survive even if the vaxxed all die off. There will be less of us, which is what the vaccinators wanted to begin with, with less CO2 emitted, but they are unlikely to jab all of the people as of now.
Fortunately, it seems likely that the "underclass" which the elites love to look down on are more likely to be unvaccinated. This means that it is likely that if a disaster occurs, that we'll still have the farmers, the truck drivers, etc to keep sustaining this system from the bottom up. But we may finally be rid of Wallstreet Executives, Hedge Fund Managers, and fake news media who keep pushing the rest of us down.
Exactly. Obviously, a hypothetical scenario where the vaccinated die off in a year or two is something I would dread to happen, and it would be an unimaginable tragedy.
That said, such a dieoff would NOT end humanity and would NOT end the countries where it occurs. We will need fewer police officers, fewer power plants, fewer truck drivers etc.
Possibly the worst category to be hit by this will be doctors.
Have a look at the red/ blue / green lines in the chart. Blue line representing unvaxxed deaths falling sharply. Red line showing 1 dose vaxxed trending upward sharply. in fact they have crossed. Green line with 2 dose vaxxed moving slowly up
I'd be curious to see whether the shape of the vaccine waning curve matches with data/studies that have already shown that the vaccine efficacy wanes in regard to infection, and whether it's just the position on the y axis that differs. I.e. studies show the efficacy against infection wanes, but never really goes into the negative, whereas the vaccine surveillance data seems to suggest negative efficacy. If the shape of the curves are identical it might suggest that there could be a statistical explanation for why it appears to go into the negative. Perhaps something to do with the way the data is collected, some sociological explanation, like, for instance, unvaccinated people being less likely to take tests, even if sick.
Going to plunge into this semantic rabbit hole and agree with Matt: “Perverse” doesn’t always have a lurid/moral connotation; it can simply mean “twisted.”
Thank you, Igor. I wish everyone would read this. Sigh.
And thank you! If you want to contribute, read my "Covid Tyranny Insurgency Manual".
https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/covid-tyranny-insurgency-manual
Basically spend 15 minutes a day reaching out to people you do not know. to help the fired people or to talk to undecided people.
http://www.eecs.qmul.ac.uk/~norman/papers/inconsistencies_vaccine.pdf
It was difficult to read so many pages of nonsense.
A rate of cases in the vaccinated that is over TWICE the rate of cases in the unvaccinated, and that cannot be explained away by "biases" or "changed behavior", especially considering how dramatically case rates worsen in the recent weeks.
Vaccination rates have not been changing and plateaued long ago. And a few months ago, no one questioned anything while the junk vaccines were still working, and no one ever questioned UK's reported vaccination rates, which are based on specific named persons eligible for vaccination (NIMS).
What has changed now is the infection rates, not vaccination rates, and the academic ass-lickers come with all sorts of non-sequitur objections to the very clear picture that we are seeing, just hoping that readers will get tired of reading their lengthy nonsense and somehow would think that "experts are objecting to these numbers".
All of these publications have one goal in mind: to stop honest reporting by UKHSA.
Any new updates on the UK numbers?
will be another 4 days or so... Eagerly awaiting...
Fenton seems to be one of the "good guys", I listened to his video lecture as well. Things are definitely getting more stable like you say, and also simpler: I don't think there is anyone left who is really sitting on the fence, and vaccination rates are not going to change much at this point.
I have to take back what I said about vaccination rate.
https://dph.illinois.gov/covid19/vaccine/vaccine-data.html?county=Illinois
Illinois Population 12+
Fully Vaccinated: 6,884,221 (63.5%)
At Least 1 Dose: 8,793,819 (81.1%)
81% vs 63% tells me that people are still getting vaccinated, probably a second vaccination wave triggered by the state vaccination mandate.
Actually a lot of people stop after the first shot, often due to adverse effects.
That's also true. BTW in a local middle school, 70% of kids are already vaccinated. The remaining 30% are probably 11 year olds. This number shocked me when I saw it.
My thinking is this is the evil Trump plan to make a death vaccine, rid our country of liberals...
at least the overall premise and conclusion was that their figures indicated higher overall mortality in vaxxed vs unvaxxed:
"Our analysis clearly suggests that, when compared to ONS death figures from week 26, all-cause mortality (UMR) for vaccinated people, compared to unvaccinated people, is certainly higher in single dosed individuals and slightly higher in those who are double dosed."
At this point, the fact that the UK is actually publishing its data like this is one of the only reasons I'm chalking all of this COVID nonsense to government incompetence and not conspiracy theories.
Thank you. I really appreciate what you're doing here. I live in Australia where soon people will require vaccination to use non-essential services (and work most jobs). I feel ashamed of my country right now. Most people support this absurdity and outright discrimination. After all this time people still don't understand what their risk of developing serious symptoms and dying is. I'm so grateful that England is publishing this data (as well as for the new Swedish study). Hopefully the public and govt will wake up to the absurdity soon. It seems that not getting vaccinated and acquiring natural immunity is the best thing I can do for myself and others at this stage.
It literally pains me to read news about Australia. A beautiful country with beautiful people, gone totally mad because of censorship fueled fear frenzy. I am very sorry for you.
Wales claims to be the fourth most jabbed country in the world - more jabbings than England. I think it is about 90% jabbed in all adult age groups. The Welsh population has notorious health problems at the best of times, particularly obesity, respiratory diseases and diabetes. If it is of any interest the Welsh figures are on the Public Health Wales site here:
https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/public.health.wales.health.protection/viz/RapidCOVID-19virology-Public/Headlinesummary
https://phw.nhs.wales/topics/latest-information-on-novel-coronavirus-covid-19/
Conveniently Wales does not break its figures down between jabbed and non-jabbed or on age groups. But the Welsh Government has introduced vaccine passports - all parties voted for them recently - and is determined to test, test and jab, jab everyone.
In other words, 90% jabbed Wales could be about to face something truly terrible this coming Winter.
Great article. Thanks for crunching the numbers. You can also see the effect if you look at the raw numbers from, say, Week 39 compared with Week 43. They clearly show "waning effectiveness" in terms of catching the virus, but your numbers show the effects more dramatically.
This is why the UK government are desperate for people to get their (1st) booster. FIRST booster! This drama has got a long way to go yet! I dread to think what the adverse effects databases are going to look like after we reach boosters 4, 5 and 6.
P.S... just to let you know, the agency publishing these reports is now known as "UK Health Security Agency". I think they got rid of Public Health England. Maybe the name was too friendly ;)
Thanks, do you think that I should edit my text or just leave it?
Also, there may NOT be endless boosters!
People might just die off between booster 3 and 4, nobody actually knows this.
You're probably fine keeping it as Public Health England for now. Just worth noting for future posts.
Yeah, may not be as many people around to receive many more "boosters" :)
New study from Sweden confirms the UK data: after about 9 mos. the effectiveness against infection turns NEGATIVE. The vaccine ENHANCES your chances of becoming infected after this length of time. This is the worst fear of ADE being realized. Absolutely IMPERATIVE that this data is confirmed in other countries where the the vaccine has been in use for 9 months or more. Note the advantage of the Swedish study is it COUNTS THE INFECTIONS SINCE AN INDIVIDUAL WAS VACCINATED.
This enables you to see directly how your chances of infection are WORSE when you get past about 9 mos if vaccinated. The UK data only counted overall infections in vaccinated since vaccinated started. They did not specify since time of vaccination.
See the Swedish study discussed here:
Ben M.
@USMortality
New study from Sweden, (preprint) published in The Lancet, reveals that #Covid19 vaccines have a very short lasting effect!
- VE against infection drops below 50% CDC threshold at 5 months (6m for severe)
- VE against infection becomes negative at 8m
#Covid #Corona #Coronavirus
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Thanks. The UK data also shows it. It is totally convincing. The virus does not know what country it is in, it just infects everyone who is infectable.
The biggest question is, will protection from death also go below zero? This is the worst outcome, I hope that it will NOT be realized.
Just excellent, Igor. Thank you for the time and effort it takes to crunch the numbers. And I agree with Andrew below that the more likely reason for this clown show is just garden variety incompetence. Probably mixed with a huge dose of hubris, stupidly believing that they had a thorough enough understanding of the human immune system to force an inadequately tested product onto the population.
Hopefully they'll leave this data source available to you, but I wouldn't count on it. Governments, and their pharmaceutical pals, tend not to like being embarrassed.
Thank you for the compliment. I believe that this nonsensical situation will resolve in a few months with an extreme embarrassment to various governments, momentous changes in culture and politics, and so on. Not sure if PHE reporting will survive for long enough but this is a time limited situation.
I also do not think that our rulers are that stupid, I believe that there is more criminality than a lot of people assume.
Here's the thing. Igor is talking about how the media is complaining that this is fueling the arguments of "anti-vaxxers," because well, it is. The data shows that this is all spiraling out of control. If the government all of a sudden stops reporting this data, do you think people will ask more or less questions about it? Right now I'd be willing to bet most people in the UK aren't even aware of the fact that their death and hospitalization rates / 100k are climbing relative to the unvaccinated. The only people talking about or looking into this are really the people that are already biased against the COVID/vaccine propaganda. You never know how many people you'll turn on to the cause if they stop reporting, and people start informing their friends, family, and groups on the internet that they're hiding the data now.
This is why we need to share this as widely as possible. We should invite disagreement and even ridicule from Covid cultists, as being in an argument might actually open up a mind or two. If you open one person's mind in a day, this is a day well spent.
I find that arguing with COVID cultists ie people who talk nonsense like "Colin Powell died because YOU DIDN'T take the vaccine (which doesn't prevent transmission)" is a complete waste of time. I think the only way anything changes with those people is if their family and friends begin dying, which makes these "rare cases" seem less rare to them. With people who are on the fence, or at least are willing to argue with you based on scientific studies and facts, I find debating with these people is worthwhile. After a while, they usually don't have much to say, because even when you go to the primary sources like the Pfizer Trial, there's so much concerning and misleading data that it HAS to make these people ask questions about all of this.
I have the opposite opinion. Any word out there is helpful. Even if you do not change mind of a rabid Covid cultist, you might plant a small seed of doubt in their head. Or you might place a seed of doubt in someone else who is near.
Embarrassing a Covid cultist with well prepared data may make them less likely to spread their misinformation in the future.
Also speaking out defeats the appearance of consensus, which convinces the weak minded.
Just a FYI. It is worth having a look at Professor Norman Fenton's twitter threads - @profnfenton on twitter - who is in touch with the ex-nhs statistician "John Dee". It looks like Prof Fenton is inclined to agree with John Dee that there is no evidence the vaccines offer protection.
John Dee's Facebook group is "John Dee's Almanac" group where he posts some interesting figures and analysis.
do not endure a booster. if you are high risk line up ivermectin or line up regeneron (easy to do in florida).
the cumulative effect of mrna, especially unchanged for new variants, is totally speculative and likely highly dangerous.
I also think so. The vaxxed are in a very bad quandary -- the vax waned and is not working, and immune system is destroyed. So they need more boosters. They are now the hostages of Pfizer.
The boosters will not be endless though. They will just die after a few.
Here's my question. What is the mostly likely outcome here? We know from the past that this mass vaccination campaign can lead to a Marek effect, which would drive the virus towards being more lethal for unvaccinated people. But the spike protein that the mRNA vaccines instruct your body to make have toxic effects as they become dislodged from the cell membrane and travel throughout the body causing blood clots, strokes, heart attacks, etc. Is it likely that the virus will mutate towards being lethal for the unvaccinated, or will enough people succumb to compromised immune systems, and spike protein induced vaccine effects as people take the boosters without question?
It is a great question to which I do not have an answer. I am also wondering what the correct and true answer will end up being the actual case.
But I expect that the unvaccinated people will almost all acquire natural immunity early (I already did last year), and as such will just watch the remainder of the show from the sidelines, having robust natural immunity.
The vaccinated will probably wonder "how can I become un-vaccinated", to no avail.
If this does turn out to be the disaster we suspect it will be, and the vaccines are ultimately wiping out people's immune systems which will require frequent boosters going forward, I have to ask how many of the same people who told all of us to do our part and take the jab, will also put the survival of our species at risk by taking frequent booster shots, driving us towards a worst case Marek's scenario?
We are not chickens, we do not live in coops, and we have a lot of natural immunity that is likely going to hold up against variants.
It may be that some unvaxxed who are covid naive, might regret not getting it earlier.
If the vaxxed die off, it will be completely tragic for most of us who have vaxxed relatives or loved ones. But I do expect the humanity to survive even if the vaxxed all die off. There will be less of us, which is what the vaccinators wanted to begin with, with less CO2 emitted, but they are unlikely to jab all of the people as of now.
Fortunately, it seems likely that the "underclass" which the elites love to look down on are more likely to be unvaccinated. This means that it is likely that if a disaster occurs, that we'll still have the farmers, the truck drivers, etc to keep sustaining this system from the bottom up. But we may finally be rid of Wallstreet Executives, Hedge Fund Managers, and fake news media who keep pushing the rest of us down.
Exactly. Obviously, a hypothetical scenario where the vaccinated die off in a year or two is something I would dread to happen, and it would be an unimaginable tragedy.
That said, such a dieoff would NOT end humanity and would NOT end the countries where it occurs. We will need fewer police officers, fewer power plants, fewer truck drivers etc.
Possibly the worst category to be hit by this will be doctors.
Are the new weekly numbers out yet?
Just wrote another report
Yes, I will write a short report soon
this from the Daily Mirror today
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/unjabbed-brits-32-times-more-25345629
Have a look at the red/ blue / green lines in the chart. Blue line representing unvaxxed deaths falling sharply. Red line showing 1 dose vaxxed trending upward sharply. in fact they have crossed. Green line with 2 dose vaxxed moving slowly up
I'd be curious to see whether the shape of the vaccine waning curve matches with data/studies that have already shown that the vaccine efficacy wanes in regard to infection, and whether it's just the position on the y axis that differs. I.e. studies show the efficacy against infection wanes, but never really goes into the negative, whereas the vaccine surveillance data seems to suggest negative efficacy. If the shape of the curves are identical it might suggest that there could be a statistical explanation for why it appears to go into the negative. Perhaps something to do with the way the data is collected, some sociological explanation, like, for instance, unvaccinated people being less likely to take tests, even if sick.
Thank you Matt. Your words mean a lot to me. Not sure if "perverse" is the right word here, English is my second language.
Yeah. "Perverse" seems more appropriate when discussing the Pope or Bill Gates.
Going to plunge into this semantic rabbit hole and agree with Matt: “Perverse” doesn’t always have a lurid/moral connotation; it can simply mean “twisted.”
Nugatory, inefficacious?