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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

i remember that well, because I had surgery at the time, and the doctor was very hesitant to give me blood even though I lost a lot. They gave me tablets which did the job, I never got tranfusion.

The blood should be tested before things happened like these poor babies, and the parents should be listened to. Tha doc who gave the baby bad blood should loose their licence!

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Heidi Heil STOPS Thymectomy's avatar

You're doctor's a keeper!!!

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

I have no idea if he still is lol. He was in his 40s at the time and probably now retired. He is also an ocean away ! But yes, he was a great person and a good doctor.

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joe stuerzl 85's avatar

I'm still alive ,but I have already donated all my blood away .It is pure as the mountain air ,no shots ever of any kind .Before an operation my blood can be had from Ebay and Amazone . I replaced all my blood with red wine it will help me fighting the whyrusses wars ,because the covid does not like red wine .

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

Haha Joe, I will have some of that replacement !

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Just a Clinician's avatar

Look into autologous donation - if appropriate to your situation, sometimes you can bank your own blood a couple of days before surgery.

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MyCovidBubble's avatar

Having the same problem in the U.S. My father is O negative so he is a universal donor. He is unvaccinated. I looked into banking his blood in case I needed it at some point. A doctor/friend in the area who works in hospital told me it wouldn't matter even if I had blood on hand that I wanted. He said the hospital will give you whatever blood they have and basically I have no choice in the matter. The blood they are giving is a mixture of all kinds of blood from different people so you have no idea what you are getting. I don't see any way to get around this when the hospitals just ignore your requests.

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Peter Sawchuk's avatar

You could try convincing him that you are a Jehovah's witness and as such blood from anyone other than yourself is a sin. I don't honestly know how long your body would take to replace it but it would maybe give you some leeway. I apologize in advance to the J.w. faithful for using their doctrine but I hope they would understand that this would be the lesser evil

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CraigN's avatar

"A mixture of blood" is not true unless something has significantly changed since I worked in a blood bank. Whole units of blood are not a mix. Blood components like plasma or platelets might be, but you are typically going to get whole blood in a transfusion and that would be from a single donor. I would also look into a directed donation if you have friends or family that are not vaxxed and have the same blood type.

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MyCovidBubble's avatar

The physician who told me this is a highly respected ER doc so I am assuming he is correct. He did specifically mention that the blood they have in his hospital is not from a single donor but mixed with other donors of the same blood type. Might be different policies at different hospitals.

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CraigN's avatar

Again, not sure if NZ does something completely different, and I would be surprised if they did, with blood transfusions but in the states a whole blood transfusion is going to be from a single donor.

https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/how-to-donate/types-of-blood-donations/blood-components.html#:~:text=Whole%20Blood%20is%20the%20simplest,red%20cells%2C%20plasma%20and%20platelets.

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Just a Clinician's avatar

Well, here's hoping that you don't!

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CraigN's avatar

"Unlikely to need a transfusion". Here is part of the problem. This so-called doctor should be looking out for your best interests. Preparing the paperwork and you banking our own blood does not constitute any risk to the 'doctor'. The doctor HAS TO BE a partner in your care and if they are not going to do that a change needs to be made. Not sure what the SOP are in NZ in the delivery of medical care are, but I would be looking for a new doctor if it were me.

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CATHERINE's avatar

Erythropoietin.

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DBL Patroit's avatar

I'm a nurse anesthesiologist and I've lectured in the past on blood transfusions, trauma, and patient blood management. I've never heard of mixing blood except for platelets (which isn't usually done now, they're aphresis and from a single donor). The best bet to avoid blood transfusions is a great surgeon and having a higher starting hemoglobin BEFORE surgery. So iron and even iron transfusions can get your red cells up. Iron transfusions can do the job in weeks if you have time. And if you lose a lot of blood unexpectedly during surgery, then they can give you iron transfusions. I'd avoid blood in any case if at all possible. Google Patient Blood Management.

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Paving the Way's avatar

What do you recommend for hemochromotosis

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Just a Clinician's avatar

I've never heard of pooled whole blood, either.

And type and cross has become much more complex than just A/B/O and +/-. Mixing it would be a nightmare.

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Penelope Powell's avatar

Lola, you can donate your own blood in advance, or use "designated blood" where you know the donor. Of course, it still has to be of your blood type. And there's a fee in either case, but I don't think it's very much. You could ask at your church or other group for an unvaxxed person of the correct blood type-- or perhaps you have a friend or relative?

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Penelope Powell's avatar

Terrific encyclopedic source Mimi!

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Penelope Powell's avatar

Lola, you are the surgeon's customer. I would sure try tactfully & politely to indicate that you are so concerned about the blood that you are considering going elsewhere for your surgery.

Also, have you phoned around to see if any of the hospitals in your area will allow you to use a designated donor. (Don't mention the vaxx at all; hospitals have always permitted self-donation and designated donor. You don't have to give a reason.) Sometimes it's not as easy to be assertive about your own welfare as about someone else's. Perhaps a close family member could have these conversations. Best wishes, Penelope

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Fain Zimmerman's avatar

They not only do not test, they do not know! The blood is not labeled - nor any questions asked about vax status when donating blood. The safest if at all possible is to arrange a donation by someone you know not to be vaxxed! Of course in an emergency, that is not possible.

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Fred Jewett's avatar

In Canada the blood is pooled together processed and then repackaged.

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Swanlzs's avatar

That almost seems criminal.

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Fred Jewett's avatar

It seems to have worked well up until the covid vaccine. Now we are right back to where we were in 1980 with the AIDS tainted blood scandal.

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AmericanVeteran's avatar

almost seems criminal? it IS criminal and MURDEROUS.

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Fain Zimmerman's avatar

Wow - no way to keep track that way!

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MyCovidBubble's avatar

Same in the U.S.

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SAMO's avatar

@ MyCovidBubble

"Same in the US" - for ALL blood banks? Are you sure?

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SAMO's avatar

How the hell can THAT be safe?

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Fain Zimmerman's avatar

Don't they still type and cross match each blood unit to be sure it is compatible? How could the mix it all up??

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Fred Jewett's avatar

Yes, the blood is separate by type, RH factor, etc. For example all A- blood would be pooled together. In hindsight I should have included that in my earlier comment.

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Fain Zimmerman's avatar

I see - but there are other factors I believe - so the blood has to match,

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Fred Jewett's avatar

I am out of my depth when it comes to processing donated blood other than knowing they separate by blood type and Rh factor.

The also remove blood components for specific uses other than transfusions. Platelets, plasma, cryoprecipitated AHF (cryo), and granulocytes are separated out. Had to look it up.

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Colleen Upton's avatar

They only don’t know bc they choose not to know! Pretty sure they DO KNOW! Every time I have a Dr. Appt I am asked whether or not I am vaxxed!! And I answer with the same answer.

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Fain Zimmerman's avatar

"no comment" !

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Wendy Reierson's avatar

At the very least! I vote for charging them with murder and all assets given to the family.

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SAMO's avatar

@ Wendy

I'm thinking manslaughter. 3rd degree murder. For sure it was reckless and negligent. That doc had to know there was risk involved. Unnecessary risk. Doc's ego got in the way of patient care. He wanted to give a big F you to the parents to show he was in charge. Well then - take charge now, buddy. That kid's death is your responsibility. Awful. Every person involved in that kid's death should be charged.

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MAGA_From_Heaven's avatar

I'm thinking I'm gonna make bank donating plasma!

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SAMO's avatar

Show me a blood bank who's asking . . . waiting. . .

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MAGA_From_Heaven's avatar

Blood Bank? You would go to a Plasma Donation Center. Not the same thing.

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SAMO's avatar

Hmmm. Never heard of a plasma donation center. Where I gave blood, they also collected plasma only donations. I'll have to look that up. Thanks! And they ask about vax status?

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MAGA_From_Heaven's avatar

You can only donate Blood once every 6 months. You can donate Plasma twice a week. Most places pay between $30-$50 per visit. The price hasn't risen yet because that would be an admission that the mRNA Vaxxed are dangerous. Once it's officially dangerous, that will create demand. Then I will charge premium fees for my clean, unvaxxed essence. CHA-CHING!

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SAMO's avatar

@ Wendy

Did that New Zealand kid die, too? I have not seen a follow up article. I re-read the articles I could find. The parents were ok with anything those docs wanted to do for their infant EXCEPT receive vaxd blood transfusion. So what's the problem? All the articles I read inferred that the parents were not on board for the surgery - not true.

Where is the follow up story?

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Fain Zimmerman's avatar

What kind of tablets were those?

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Porge's avatar

Yes,Ingrid, I just had a second hip replacement in less than a year. I had to sign a release for blood transfusion in case of large amount of blood loss. I was in quite a dilemma as I voiced my opinion on vaccinated blood ,but there was no option available to me. I had to sign or opt for nothing. I reluctantly signed. In the end I did lose quite a bit of blood but the doctors were aware of my feelings. After surgery they did put me on iron supplement for anemia. Thank God I'm a week past the surgery and no complications. It sucks that we have one more thing to stress about now when I wouldn't have thought about it before. 😕

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Fain Zimmerman's avatar

I'm looking at a possible knee replacement soon. I was told to donate my own ahead of time which I felt was dangerous right before surgery. My doc said it was rarely needed,. My daughter, same blood type, said she would donate for me if needed. It's a complicated process to line up a specific donor, and save it for yourself.

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Keyjammm's avatar

You could request the same care that many Jehovah's witnesses rely on, mainly cell salvage. You first have a saline drip to expand your volume and during surgery the blood weep is sucked up cleaned and returned to you. Almost all types of surgery are possible this way without transfusion, and the chance of infection and post operative immune suppression from foreign blood is totally removed.

Blood is big business and has the same corruption factors plaguing Pharma etc.

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Porge's avatar

Yes Fain, I looked into that also, but didn't have time to arrange any self donation or from family members. My two unvaxxed daughters were willing to donate too. My situation came about quickly and only had 2days from diagnosis to surgery. I could have delayed surgery but I couldn't even stand up and put any weight on my hip. So I opted for quick pain relief 😌.

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MyCovidBubble's avatar

It's nearly impossible to line up your own blood. Having the same problem in the U.S. My father is O negative so he is a universal donor. He is unvaccinated. I looked into banking his blood in case I needed it at some point. A doctor/friend in the area who works in hospital told me it wouldn't matter even if I had blood on hand that I wanted. He said the hospital will give you whatever blood they have and basically I have no choice in the matter. The blood they are giving is a mixture of all kinds of blood from different people so you have no idea what you are getting.

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jumping irving's avatar

What are iron tabs. for?

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Fain Zimmerman's avatar

Helps your red blood cells - but not as much as whole blood.

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jumping irving's avatar

10/4 Thks.

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Jim Johnson's avatar

make sure you get certain formulations. iron sup's can cause constipation. I use Solgar Gentle Iron. and I do a pinch daily rather than a whole tab. you can get too much iron. another fun source is mussels.

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MyCovidBubble's avatar

Hemaplex is a really good brand.

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