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Fast Eddy's avatar

This time is different.

There will be nobody left to manage the 4000 ponds. There will be no power to keep the cooling systems operational. There will be no replacement parts for the machinery and computers required to maintain the ponds.

It does not matter one way or the other because almost all humans will be exterminated by Devil Covid and the Global Holodomor that follows.

Only the remote primitive tribes will be impacted by the ponds. One day they'll eat some berries or a dead animal killed by the toxic fallout - and they will sicken and die.

This is -- make no mistake -- an extinction moment. This is UEP https://www.headsupster.com/forumthread?shortId=220

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SmithFS's avatar

More fear porn nonsense. These guys are unaware of even basic heat flow concepts. A typical nuclear power plant core will run ~10MW of heat 4 days after shutdown which gradually declines to ~ 1MW @ 1yr to 200kw @ 4yr in a spent fuel pool. You can buy a 200kw electric boiler smaller than a standard office desk cooled with a 2" water pipe and a 2 hp pump. Pretty easy to supply that level of cooling. Even a garden hose would work. And there isn't enough heat to catch fire, that's nonsense. Watch youtube video of someone trying to set zirconium tubing on fire with an oxyacetylene torch, won't burn even @ 2000deg:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x__2yWx9zGY

Even @ 200degC air cooling would be sufficient. There is no conceivable way a spent fuel pool would release any significant amount of radioisotopes to the environment even if personal just abandoned the site which means total social system collapse, Mad Max scenario in which case there be military weapons, bioweapons, nuclear, chemical, phosphorus and more available. The last thing anyone would worry about is nuclear spent fuel pools, which even a concerned high school student could figure out how to keep cool, easily. What you think little gas, alcohol & diesel pumps or siphon hoses are going to disappear?

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HardeeHo's avatar

You really can't stop the disaster crowd. The fallout from those spent fuel ponds hardly matches the fallout from so many nuclear tests that are still with us 60 years later. It's very hard to find virgin lead or steel for low level shielding because our world has been contaminated.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

4000 Spent Fuel Ponds

If you don’t cool the spent fuel, the temperature will rise and there may be a swift chain reaction that leads to spontaneous combustion–an explosion and fire of the spent fuel assemblies. Such a scenario would emit radioactive particles into the atmosphere. Pick your poison. Fresh fuel is hotter and more radioactive, but is only one fuel assembly. A pool of spent fuel will have dozens of assemblies.

One report from Sankei News said that there are over 700 fuel assemblies stored in one pool at Fukushima. If they all caught fire, radioactive particles—including those lasting for as long as a decade—would be released into the air and eventually contaminate the land or, worse, be inhaled by people. “To me, the spent fuel is scarier. All those spent fuel assemblies are still extremely radioactive,” Dalnoki-Veress says.

It has been known for more than two decades that, in case of a loss of water in the pool, convective air cooling would be relatively ineffective in such a “dense-packed” pool. Spent fuel recently discharged from a reactor could heat up relatively rapidly to temperatures at which the zircaloy fuel cladding could catch fire and the fuel’s volatile fission product, including 30-year half-life Cs, would be released. The fire could well spread to older spent fuel. The long-term land-contamination consequences of such an event could be significantly worse than those from Chernobyl.

http://science.time.com/2011/03/15/a-new-threat-in-japan-radioactive-spent-fuel/

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HardeeHo's avatar

And we actually had full high order bomb explosions, repeatedly in the 40-60's with all their nuclear byproducts carried by the air far and wide. You can walk the ground zero in New Mexico. Now it wouldn't be wise to walk ground zero locations in Nevada but people drive through the test area on their way to places. There are short term dangers.

I assume the assemblies are left intact in hope of easy handling. In the no electricity for the replacement water, other methods of disassembly would be used. I didn't write the plan but I can bet there is one.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

You do understand that a nuclear explosion is a one off thing ... spent fuel ponds hold tens of thousands of kgs of spent fuel - and they do not explode... they just burn ... for centuries...

Before you bring up Chernobyl... that was a reactor -- the pond is where you stuff all the fuel from the reactors --- Chernobyl ponds were not impacted - if they had been there is no way to entomb them like they did the reactor... and much of Europe would be uninhabitable to this day.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

In any event this is all irrelevant to anyone here.

We die from either Devil Covid or we starve because most others are dead and the supply chains have imploded.

The spent fuel ponds impact the remote self-sustainable tribes. Yes they could easily survive if we were exterminated -- but they cannot survive the spent fuel ponds

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Air Cooling is Useless:

It has been known for more than two decades that, in case of a loss of water in the pool, convective air cooling would be relatively ineffective in such a “dense-packed” pool.

Spent fuel recently discharged from a reactor could heat up relatively rapidly to temperatures at which the zircaloy fuel cladding could catch fire and the fuel’s volatile fission product, including 30-year half-life Cs, would be released. The fire could well spread to older spent fuel. The long-term land-contamination consequences of such an event could be significantly worse than those from Chernobyl.

http://science.time.com/2011/03/15/a-new-threat-in-japan-radioactive-spent-fuel/

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SmithFS's avatar

It's just amazing the number of people suckered in by the Fear Porn spread by NGO's financed by the Davos Malthusian Psychopaths. They sure hate the idea of plentiful energy, look at what their toadies say:

" Complex technology of any sort is an assault on human dignity. It would be little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy, because of what we might do with it. "

Amory Lovins, Rocky Mountain Institute

" The prospect of cheap fusion energy is the worst thing that could happen to the planet. "

Jeremy Rifkin, Greenhouse Crisis Foundation

" Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun. "

Prof Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University

" A massive campaign must be launched to restore a high-quality environ­ment in North America and to de-develop the United States. De-development means bringing our economic system (especially patterns of consumption) into line with the realities of ecology and the global resource situation "

John Holdren Obama Science Czar & Rockefeller puppet

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Tell that to the folks in Sri Lanka... they are out of petrol - and are experiencing 15 hour blackouts... maybe they can fire up some fusion????

This is coming soon - everywhere.

Conventional Oil peaked in 2005 http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/C-Cdec141.png

Shale in 2018.

According to Rystad, the current resource replacement ratio for conventional resources is only 16 percent. Only 1 barrel out of every 6 consumed is being replaced with new resources

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Biggest-Oil-Gas-Discoveries-Of-2019.html

Oil Discoveries are at record lows https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/icbkDFACM4iA/v2/800x-1.png

Shale binge has spoiled US reserves, top investor warns Financial Times.

Preface. Conventional crude oil production may have already peaked in 2008 at 69.5 million barrels per day (mb/d) according to Europe’s International Energy Agency (IEA 2018 p45). The U.S. Energy Information Agency shows global peak crude oil production at a later date in 2018 at 82.9 mb/d (EIA 2020) because they included tight oil, oil sands, and deep-sea oil. Though it will take several years of lower oil production to be sure the peak occurred. Regardless, world production has been on a plateau since 2005.

What’s saved the world from oil decline was unconventional tight “fracked” oil, which accounted for 63% of total U.S. crude oil production in 2019 and 83% of global oil growth from 2009 to 2019. So it’s a big deal if we’ve reached the peak of fracked oil, because that is also the peak of both conventional and unconventional oil and the decline of all oil in the future.

Some key points from this Financial Times article: https://energyskeptic.com/2021/the-end-of-fracked-shale-oil/

Shale boss says US has passed peak oil | Financial Times https://www.ft.com/content/320d09cb-8f51-4103-87d7-0dd164e1fd25

Our fossil fuel energy predicament, including why the correct story is rarely told https://ourfiniteworld.com/2021/11/10/our-fossil-fuel-energy-predicament-including-why-the-correct-story-is-rarely-told/

SEE PAGE 59 - THE PERFECT STORM : The economy is a surplus energy equation, not a monetary one, and growth in output (and in the global population) since the Industrial Revolution has resulted from the harnessing of ever-greater quantities of energy. But the critical relationship between energy production and the energy cost of extraction is now deteriorating so rapidly that the economy as we have known it for more than two centuries is beginning to unravel https://ftalphaville-cdn.ft.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Perfect-Storm-LR.pdf

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Japan’s prime minister ordered workers to remain at the tsunami-crippled Fukushima nuclear plant last March as fears mounted of a “devil’s chain reaction” that would force tens of millions of people to flee Tokyo, a new investigative report shows.

Then-premier Naoto Kan and his staff began referring to a worst case scenario that could threaten Japan’s existence as a nation around three days after the March 11 earthquake and tsunami, according to the report by a panel set up by a private think-tank.

That was when fears mounted that thousands of spent fuel rods stored at a damaged reactor would melt and spew radiation after a hydrogen explosion at an adjacent reactor building, according to the panel report.

https://energyskeptic.com/2017/the-devils-scenario-near-miss-at-fukushima-is-a-warning-for-u-s/

Figure 1 nightmare scenarios. Models of a hypothetical spent fuel fire at a pennsylvania nuclear plant. Depending on weather the Cs-137 plume displaces up to 41 million people (1 July) and contaminates up to 274,000 square kilometers (1 October)

4000 spent fuel ponds... 4000....

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SmithFS's avatar

Ya know that spent fuel puts out about 10 watts/kg @ 1yr after leaving the core. And 0.5 watts/kg @ 10yrs. You could hold that in your hand, it wouldn't even be warm, it would be deadly for the radiation, but the heat is insignificant. Sure with 4 cores or 800 tonnes including assemblies in the Spent Fuel Pool you may have 8MW of heat but that is spread out over a large area. Even if the pool was dry, air cooling would easily keep it below ~100 degC. The only problem without being immersed in water is mainly gamma radiation will be high and some volatile isotopes might leak out causing some local danger, within the plant area. That's all folks. Spent fuel is NOT a problem and anyone who says so is either corrupt or misinformed by Bankster financed Fear Porn.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Keep Calm...

And Eat the spent fuel

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SmithFS's avatar

I am calm, you need to give up on FUD & Fear Porn in order to serve better the Davos Psychos. Serve the people instead of them.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

you enjoying that high priced petrol and diesel? that ain't cuz of Ukraine... so it gets worse from here

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SmithFS's avatar

It is partly because of the Davos planned war in Ukraine. That is just one example of how they are deliberately causing high oil, gas & diesel prices.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

And they are deliberately causing diesel prices to explode with shortages imminent (which will wreck the economy) because _______________.

Ukraine is nothing more than a mostly fake war --- so that they can blame the energy problems on Russia....

If no Ukraine 'war' then the hordes would conclude that the energy problems are caused by the fact that we simply are running low.... and that would cause panic.

The PTB have done a fantastic job making sure the hordes were not concerned about running out ... look at all the effort and $$$ expended on the renewable energy EV mass psychosis... most people believe we'll not need oil in the near future cuz we're living in a utopian green world. Magnificent PR - right up there with the CovCON.

Conventional Oil peaked in 2005 http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/C-Cdec141.png

Shale in 2018.

According to Rystad, the current resource replacement ratio for conventional resources is only 16 percent. Only 1 barrel out of every 6 consumed is being replaced with new resources

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Biggest-Oil-Gas-Discoveries-Of-2019.html

Oil Discoveries are at record lows https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/icbkDFACM4iA/v2/800x-1.png

Shale binge has spoiled US reserves, top investor warns Financial Times.

Preface. Conventional crude oil production may have already peaked in 2008 at 69.5 million barrels per day (mb/d) according to Europe’s International Energy Agency (IEA 2018 p45). The U.S. Energy Information Agency shows global peak crude oil production at a later date in 2018 at 82.9 mb/d (EIA 2020) because they included tight oil, oil sands, and deep-sea oil. Though it will take several years of lower oil production to be sure the peak occurred. Regardless, world production has been on a plateau since 2005.

What’s saved the world from oil decline was unconventional tight “fracked” oil, which accounted for 63% of total U.S. crude oil production in 2019 and 83% of global oil growth from 2009 to 2019. So it’s a big deal if we’ve reached the peak of fracked oil, because that is also the peak of both conventional and unconventional oil and the decline of all oil in the future.

Some key points from this Financial Times article: https://energyskeptic.com/2021/the-end-of-fracked-shale-oil/

Shale boss says US has passed peak oil | Financial Times https://www.ft.com/content/320d09cb-8f51-4103-87d7-0dd164e1fd25

Our fossil fuel energy predicament, including why the correct story is rarely told https://ourfiniteworld.com/2021/11/10/our-fossil-fuel-energy-predicament-including-why-the-correct-story-is-rarely-told/

SEE PAGE 59 - THE PERFECT STORM : The economy is a surplus energy equation, not a monetary one, and growth in output (and in the global population) since the Industrial Revolution has resulted from the harnessing of ever-greater quantities of energy. But the critical relationship between energy production and the energy cost of extraction is now deteriorating so rapidly that the economy as we have known it for more than two centuries is beginning to unravel https://ftalphaville-cdn.ft.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Perfect-Storm-LR.pdf

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SmithFS's avatar

You've said nothing. Oil consumption dropped 10% in 2020, so why suddenly did we run out of oil, same time as the plandemic was used to disrupt production and create demand from massive money printing? If there is a supply problem, why this?:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/04/despite-record-pain-pump-joe-biden-blocks-oil-drilling-millions-acres-us-land/

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/gas-prices-time-highs-biden-decides-cancel-oil-gas-lease-sales-alaska-gulf-mexico/

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Did I mention my cousin an engineer at a nuclear plant in ontario canada... he is in charge of safety.

I asked him what would happen if the cooling system was compromised... he said that's not an issue because there is serious back up including a lot of stored diesel and pumps that can keep the system together until we fixed the damage.

I clarified and said - I don't mean a temporary outage... I mean a situation where the electricity goes off permanently .. there is no way to resupply diesel and the cooling water overheated and boiled off....

His response... that can't happen... ya but theoretically what would happen?

Well we'd be f789ed... it would be an unimaginable disaster that would spread deadly toxins across the province and into the USA.

But that can't happen because since Fukushima we've added to the back up safety measures

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HardeeHo's avatar

If no power lift the rods, place them on the ground some distance apart. Leave the area for a very long time. One rod is just a nasty source of radiation by itself. The doomsday no electric forever means nobody would be trying to get the fuel for diversion.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Or how about we just force slaves to carry buckets of water and toss them on the rods for the next few centuries? Perhaps we could ask children to piss on them?

So many great ideas here!

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HardeeHo's avatar

Ah just leave them alone on the ground. Remember, the world has no electricity anymore. Even a half spent rod will be just fine separated from the others. Just don't be near them too much.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

I suggest you look up The Dunning Kruger Effect. You are experiencing it

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SmithFS's avatar

Why on earth do you figure electricity goes off permanently? Aliens zap the Earth? Magic? A Moonbeam? You don't even need electricity, you can use a diesel, propane or alcohol fueled pump. Or solar powered even. That is just being silly. If we had even a major prolonged widespread electricity blackout, believe me, radiation leakage from a NPP plant(s) would be about the last thing people would care about. You are guilty of promoting mindless Fear Porn.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Because that is what happens when civilization collapses.

Have a look at what is happening in Sri Lanka - 15 hour power outages....

It happens in the peripheral countries first... but now the US and European countries and the UK are warning of similar ....

We are running out of affordable energy....

Conventional Oil peaked in 2005 http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/C-Cdec141.png

Shale in 2018.

According to Rystad, the current resource replacement ratio for conventional resources is only 16 percent. Only 1 barrel out of every 6 consumed is being replaced with new resources

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Biggest-Oil-Gas-Discoveries-Of-2019.html

Oil Discoveries are at record lows https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/icbkDFACM4iA/v2/800x-1.png

Shale binge has spoiled US reserves, top investor warns Financial Times.

Preface. Conventional crude oil production may have already peaked in 2008 at 69.5 million barrels per day (mb/d) according to Europe’s International Energy Agency (IEA 2018 p45). The U.S. Energy Information Agency shows global peak crude oil production at a later date in 2018 at 82.9 mb/d (EIA 2020) because they included tight oil, oil sands, and deep-sea oil. Though it will take several years of lower oil production to be sure the peak occurred. Regardless, world production has been on a plateau since 2005.

What’s saved the world from oil decline was unconventional tight “fracked” oil, which accounted for 63% of total U.S. crude oil production in 2019 and 83% of global oil growth from 2009 to 2019. So it’s a big deal if we’ve reached the peak of fracked oil, because that is also the peak of both conventional and unconventional oil and the decline of all oil in the future.

Some key points from this Financial Times article: https://energyskeptic.com/2021/the-end-of-fracked-shale-oil/

Shale boss says US has passed peak oil | Financial Times https://www.ft.com/content/320d09cb-8f51-4103-87d7-0dd164e1fd25

Our fossil fuel energy predicament, including why the correct story is rarely told https://ourfiniteworld.com/2021/11/10/our-fossil-fuel-energy-predicament-including-why-the-correct-story-is-rarely-told/

SEE PAGE 59 - THE PERFECT STORM : The economy is a surplus energy equation, not a monetary one, and growth in output (and in the global population) since the Industrial Revolution has resulted from the harnessing of ever-greater quantities of energy. But the critical relationship between energy production and the energy cost of extraction is now deteriorating so rapidly that the economy as we have known it for more than two centuries is beginning to unravel https://ftalphaville-cdn.ft.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Perfect-Storm-LR.pdf

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SmithFS's avatar

Sri Lanka has no Nuclear power but if they did they would be very happy right now to have a reliable sustainable form of energy available when the chips are down. Trivially easy to maintain a fuel and/or electricity supply for that no matter what happens in the country.

I agree that Peak Oil is coming but I expect it will be ~10-20yrs from now. Fortunately oil is rapidly being replaced in the transportation and power generation sectors. And could be replaced much faster if not for criminally corrupt politicians and bureaucrats. As far as I'm concerned save the oil for diesel fuel (where needed), jet fuel, remote power generation and/or heat and petrochemicals. That would be a small fraction of current oil consumption.

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And they can all switch to EVs and live in utopia...

Meanwhile in the real world:

Saudi Arabia’s energy minister, Prince Abdulaziz bin Salman, has said there are “physical impediments that no producer can solve” at work right now in the oil market, according to the Financial Post/Bloomberg.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/opec-ministers-warn-no-increase-supply-coming-online

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SmithFS's avatar

Saudi Arabia is totally right. The scheming, lying Davos Psychos and their minions in government have been deliberately and maliciously disrupting oil production in the West, cancelling pipelines, imposing giant carbon taxes and mandates, cancelling oil & gas drilling leases on public land, pushing refinery closures enhanced by wacky covid restrictions and of course their real bonus was to deliberately cause the Russia-Ukraine war and then use it as an excuse to impose unheard-of-ever draconian sanctions on Russia including for oil & exports. This was all planned. We are seeing true unmitigated evil at work here.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

As Spock would say --- this does not compute. It is illogical

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SmithFS's avatar

Seriously, massive inflation, money printing, a fake pandemic destroying supply chains, shutting down business and you don't see the connection?!?

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