A “post growth society”?! Wtf! We are living in a post rational, post science, post critical thinking, post freedom America. I pray it can be turned around.
Oh, come on. We've lived through this before, just after the Romans. I think it was called "The Dark Ages" or something. It wasn't so bad, was it? Who needs indoor plumbing anyway?
"post growth society" is the same as "everything that can be invented, has been invented" from 120 years ago.
And equally short sighted, egotistical thinking, generally by older people who have lost their ability to think flexibly. They may indeed be correct that their own industries and business initiatives are ending, but no way human ingenuity and inventiveness is over.
I don't discount the fact that this also fits nicely into a power consolidation/power grab/control scenario. We need to be very mindful of these idiots and call them out loudly and often.
Be careful in placing all the blame on 'generally older people' since some of the most monstrous ideas are coming from Yuval Noah Harari, Mattias Desmet and all those "Young Global Leaders" of the WEF who are annointed every year. There are plenty of global predators and apologists to go around-- see our book COVID-19 and the Global Predators: We are the Prey.
I don't say this lightly. Desmet's theory blames the citizens--what he calls 'the mass' --for the rise of totalitarianism. His theory excuses the totalitarians. But I am sure you didn't hear this clearly in any of his interviews--which are not forthcoming on this part of his theory. His book, the basic source of his theory, tells the full story. His theory provides excuses and shifts the blame from oppressors everywhere from third world dictators and (yes) Hitler to the New Age Totalitarians engineering the so-called Great Reset which is just a synonym for world takeover. See our full and referenced two papers here: https://breggin.com/Threats-from-the-Desmet-Malone-Mass-Formations-and-Mass-Psychosis. Don't take my word for it, read our analysis and our quotations of Desmet's book, and read his book!
Actually it is the peoples’ fault to a large degree, without their willing collaboration and ignorance such ideas would simply be pompous individuals shouting at each other in smoke filled rooms with a glass of Johnnie Walker.
I agree. One cannot delegate one's own agency to someone else without accepting the consequences introduced by the other as well.
The power of the pied piper is only given by the mice/sheep who choose to follow them without any thought. A megalomaniac only has power when they have others to have power over, or who have willingly given up their agency. When others turn away, the power is gone.
When the tyrannical leader is exposed, they too lose their power, when seen for what they truly are. And so I hope that Mattias will point that out.
But wait... he does in a few of the videos I've seen! He has said many times that a few voices can disrupt mass formation by rebelling against the narrative.
I think you have misinterpreted Desmet's words in this respect. He seeks to understand, not to blame. He does not exculpate the leaders: a relevant quote might be (Chapter 7) "The Nazis were indeed often convinced of their good intentions; a willingness to acknowledge this is a sign of maturity and essential to learning from history. But of course, this should in no way be interpreted as an argument to excuse their crimes."
I was initially a fan of Desmet's public ideas without having read his book. However, I ran across one of your articles that was critical of Desmet, and you make a very good case. I think that people wanted some sort of explanation of what was happening, and Desmet and his ideas filled a gap. Desmet was also very careful about the way he publicly framed his ideas, and it would appear that his public explanations aren't exactly in line with the concepts of his book. Which should not be the case.
As for explanation, now I just shrug and say "brainwashing." If I'm feeling ambitious, I say "brainwashing and potentially Terror Management Theory."
I agree with the Breggins. By the way, this shifting of blame/cause away from the structure to the individual is far more common than we realize. I have independently noticed the tendency in many academic discussions to blame the individual or “human nature” for the evil in this world. This very conveniently excuses and shifts the blame from the system/structure to the individual. An example is historian Ronald Wright 's“A Short History of Progress”, while making very logical arguments, he explains the collapse of societies on “monument building” in its later stages (the Mayas then, NYC & Dubai today) which he explains with “human greed” (humans just never get enough) and he cites for proof the mastodon killing fields that even the hunter-gatherers indiscriminately killed the megafauna by driving them over a cliff (if even the hunter-gatherers did it it must be human nature). No surprise that this explanation is very much preferred by the establishment, and, unlike the Breggins, such authors will find no shortage of willing publishers & talkshow invitations.
Likewise we discuss the undeniable “evil” in the world, the banality of evil, the existence of psycho/ sociopaths, serial killers, school shooters, etc., all-too-often in terms of human nature. Why are children so cruel in the school yard? Why do bullies exist and evil people like Hitler, Mengele, Eichmann, Fritzl, Charles Manson? The real question is - if we accept that the evil in the world is really human nature - why are there not many more of them?
Another argument brought up is that only humans have agency, and systems don’t (“capitalism doesn’t have agency”). Then, why does everyone act by the same capitalist rules? Because we’re social beings, and we live and act within a particular social structure, a system that “selects” for, and rewards, certain behaviors and punishes others. Noam Chomsky once countered the argument that “A people has the kind of government that it deserves” with the observation that “A people has the kind of government that is imposed on them.” I agree. People are not stupid.
Thank you for your clearly articulated response. Our essential difference is that you believe systems are imposed from above, while I am of Desmet's opinion that they arise organically from the mindset of society at large.
Neither view can be proven, but the only way forward is respectful debate between those who are awake, so I am grateful for your words.
"Totalitarianism causes mass psychosis. Totalitarianism is not defeated by "curing" people of their conformism - but by getting rid of the tyrants." very good way of putting it Bobby A.
I agree. This "blaming the citizens" thesis is a stretch. He focused on the mass psychological impact & amplification of the propaganda. Unless I've missed something in his book (vs his talks), he's not absolved the Crime State & their Puppet Masters.
"... but no way human ingenuity and inventiveness is over.". And it should frighten the bejesus out of us to imagine what the WEF overlords will invent.
I think the idea is "You won't be working to providing consumer goods and services for the masses, instead you'll be working to provide luxuries for us". When the elite have more luxuries than a Persian Potentate, they'll use extensive resources to build monuments to themselves. Why? Because they will be bored, and because they can.
Really? Who erased Rome, Pharonic Egypt, and Bablyonia (to name just three)? How did they do it? What did they replace it with? To say that civilizations throughout history have been PURPOSELY erased and replaced is a conspiracy theory of the highest order, one that has not a shred of supporting evidence.
My point is that civilizations fall mainly due to INTERNAL decay, not external forces. Only in rare circumstances such as the Spanish conquest of the Aztecs and Incas, do external forces play a significant role. Even then, these New World civilizations were undergoing internal problems. The idea of civilizational collapse being planned and intentional is problematic. Civilizations are like living organisms: when they are healthy their culture easily resists external attack, but when they are unhealthy they succumb readily to external diseases.
DO NOT COMPLY! There is only 1 decision you make in this life that has Eternal Merit: where you spend Eternity; either A--with JESUS CHIRST (John 3.3, 33-34-) in the NEW HEAVENS & EARTH -or-- B--Eternal Lake of Fire (w/satan, his demons & all of you human beings who reject the LORD'S Free Gift of Salvation. C--This earth & these current heavens will no longer exist. You have FREE WILL; You have NO EXCUSE
I appreciate what you are trying to do, but as a Christian, I find your methods cringe inducing. Posting the equivalent of Jack Chick tracts (in all caps) like a bot lacks the human touch the Gospel requires. It makes you look like a troll.
'This is not a "garden party; we are AT WAR!' When the LORD returns HE will return as The LION of the TRIBE of JUDAH. This is different than his initial appearance as The LAMB of GOD.
There will be many more of us with "w/satan, his demons" than in the "NEW HEAVENS & EARTH" and we will be allowed to fornicate, so I know my preference.
On the 1st point you are correct (2 Thessalonians 2.1-12). On the 2nd point you are INcorrect (Revelation 20.10)--'And the devil who DECEIVED them was thrown into The LAKE OF FIRE and BRIMSTONE where the beast & the false prophet are also; and they will be TORMENTED Day & Night forEVER & EVER.'
The LORD'S creation of TIME will come to an end (Isaiah 65.17, 66.22). We will continue to live in HIS creation of SPACE; this is the "for ever." Please acknowledge the word TORMENT which you will experience WITHOUT END. You do not get to pick your favourite Pleasure to enjoy endlessly. Think of it like this: Light a blow torch and turn it on your body; recognising that you NEVER get to turn the torch off. Hell is infinitely worse than this. The Bible tells us that heaven will be so much better than here on earth that we cannot imagine how good this will be . . . again For ever. Do this now: John 3.3, 33-34-
I applaud you fanaticism but isn't it just a bunch of stories told to children at Sunday school? People the world over believe different things mostly based on their childhood upbringing. I have no idea if what you believe is true or not but other than a book written over a thousand years ago I haven't seen anything that suggests to me there is an all powerful being who sulks in the shadows waiting for my unconditional love and blind faith. I have heard of people all around the world having different religious beliefs and the most populous of them is not the one you subscribe to, so it might pay to keep your options open, maybe join a few different ones to cover your bases.
Sorry, I don't have any scripture to backup my comments.
Your too late, this is a done deal. Game, Set, and Match, the wuflu injections proved that.
We have a society of sheep, who are ruled by Facebook. They kill your love ones, take away your livelihood, destroy you childrens future and still we just cruise along. No-one is going to fight this, it's a done deal world wide.
You’re absolutely right! This is Technocracy. “the science of social engineering “ warmed over from the 1930’s. See www.technocracy.news for more on this.
“Never trust a survivor until you find out what he did to stay alive.” But OK, maybe you were just lucky to survive. :P
Anyway, the other 120 million deaths over the world suggest that, for the *average* communist slave, communism was just as bad as what is described in the post. You don't sound like you were the average slave...
The initial stages of communism are always the ones that result in massive numbers of people being killed as that is the time when the communists reveal themselves for what they are - totalitarian scum. However, once the purges are done, some measure of sanity returns. My grandparents lived through the purges and it was a nightmare. However, after the communists break up the old system literally with a machine gun, they need to have things running again or they starve too. Hence the return to some form of normality. I lived in the later stages of communism in which things were very bad BUT no one really gave a hoot about you if you did not go against the system. Since getting food on the table was kind of essential for living, that was were the focus of 99% people was. The WEF is the ultimate nightmare in which you literally cannot do anything because of ... climate emergency or some other made up garbage. Notice that AI will be driving this. How much do you want to bet that the enforcement will be also automated? Try arguing with your "smart" water tap that you need to drink a glass of water. Forget about finding food - even if you found any, the model from WEF is that you cannot cook it because you "exceed the carbon print" - the "smart" oven will not turn on. That is what is envisaged and that is why this is not comparable with communism. The WEF model is hell on Earth.
Thank you for sharing the experiences of your grandparents. I don't think most people can really imagine what it was like, and instead, imagine some sort of future happy face totalitarian society.
At this point, many seem to be OK with it. They just shrug when you tell them about CBDCs and can't imagine that the government would do anything to harm them. They even sort of discount what Trudeau did to the truckers.
Most people do not think that that sort of horror is possible. The level of ignorance in the West is astounding and that is why the abuses committed over the past two years could take place. What happened in Canada is beyond belief and Turdeau should be facing criminal charges not be in power. The problem is that when reality will hits home, there is no simple way out of it. Moreover, because of the ignorance of the many, the ones that are awake pay the price too.
That's my big fear, that once this system is in place there will never be any way of escaping it. They already have surveillance that would be a wet dream for the Gestapo or KGB, and soon the ability to just remotely turn someone off.
Permanent lockdown, masks that measure your carbon, semi-isolation, surveillance of every bodily organ thanks to the nanobots connecting to the IoB. Winston Smith had a great life by contrast.
It is also true that once the WEF is installed they will run out of people to kill. If you obey them, they will leave you alone to drink water, own nothing, do whatever they tell you to. You know, like a nice slave.
But slaves in the past were exactly the same: As long as you picked your cotton and minded your own business your owner would not have to beat you up, would give you food, a place to sleep, and so on. The WEF is really global communism (= hell on earth). You just seem to forget that we are in the initial states. Once the WEF is done with us, everyone that survives will be obedient. And there will also be "peace" (i.e., no rebel slaves).
I do not think that WEF is in any form communist. The communists are driven by a specific ideology whereas the WEF seems to be driven by transhumanism. If you listen to one of Swab's useful idiots, there is an obsession with cybernetic augmentation, virtual reality and different forms of lifespan extension. In short, as satanic and insane as they get. Automation is at the core of everything so the idea that there will be "slaves" does not apply in this case because they do not want any "slaves" to use up their precious resources - robots will do the work.
Both communists and the WEF are driven by the same factor: Controlling other people. If one uses a computer, it doesnt make a difference to me, to be honest. I dont think at all that the final goal of the WEF is to kill people and have only robots. It is worse: They want slaves, like the communists want.
Not so much slaves of the laboring kind. Harari says they no longer need people thanks to robots and AI. More like test subjects. They'll keep you fed and clothed if you let them perform Mengele type experiments on you for the rest of your days.
Seriously. Sometimes it sounds good. In July 2020 I was not opposed. Thank goodness I had a few useful insights in the meantime, including a reminder during vacation in Croatia that the communists always have a good story and then never walk the talk.
Former communists or current? After listening to Ivor Cummins interview Gordan Lauc in Croatia, I wanted to visit the country. It sounded like the country came to its senses relatively early during the pandemic. After you visited? Lauc is a founder of GlycanAge. Lots of interesting science going on related to longevity. Do I need to cross it off my list?
We were there in fall of 2021--specifically because we needed a break from the apartheid system, so yes they were relatively sane already. It's a beautiful country and you absolutely should visit! My reminder was stumbling across a beautiful property in ruins that had clearly been the haunt of someone rich and maybe famous. Come to find out it was a retreat for the elite of the communist party. Same old freaking story in every single country where they talk about equality out of one side of their mouths....
meh. Statism is statism - if the power/money locus flows left to right or right to left makes not a wit of difference to those of us outside the circle.
I would love to read your explanation about how to impose the dictatorship of the proletariat without dictators. How "communism has never been tried!". Also how people just *need* to be nice, so no one needs to force them to give up their property! :D communist "logic" is amusing.
That's because your use of semi-colon in the sentence implies contrast between tyrant and communist. But there isn't any contrast at all in reality: Communists are a subset of tyrants (i.e., entirely contained by the set of all tyrants).
Fascism is the love of nation and kith and kin. As such fascism does not allow business to put greed ahead of the good of the nation. Fascists have only ever been elected into power after communists try to take over a nation. So far every nation that has elected a fascist government has been attacked by the globalists both from within and without. This is why they end up authoritarian. Fascist leaders were able to walk among the people without bodyguards. Our leaders can't do that so claims the people hate fascism are silly.
There will be no true AI. An AI will quickly point out the fallacies we all have to live with concerning political correctness. Political correctness is used by the elite to control way to many people to allow AI to undermine it. Trumps real crime in the eyes of his former peers was attacking political correctness.
The WEF is trying to implement communism and fascism is what will stop it. The problem is that their are to many non whites who are pretending are Americans who think communism is great because they don't own anything. Its not an accident political correctness has forced whites to allow 100 million low IQ non whites who just want a free ride.
When I look around ,I see that most of the sheep are complying ,Masking is permanent for at least 60% of what I used to think are humans .The mask is the sign of being a slave or retarded .With a population like that there is no hope. and the Schwabs of the world win every time .
The world is replete with brain dead, non-thinking, television gawkers...who have convinced themselves that binge watching CNN's Brian Stelter and Anderson Cooper has made them verifiable geniuses.
I have never in my history on earth had to deal with so many absolute frickin idiots...and that unforltunately begins with my own family, friends and inlaws.
People I once held a firm regard for are now WEF bimbos without even knowing much about the WEF. They follow and obey1
the dictates of their television...and get positive feedback affirmation from their friends doing exactly the same thing. Insanity does not begin to describe the current mental suicidal state...particularily in the western world.
You are sooo right on all counts .We try to describe the insanity ,but often can't ,because new words need to be invented for it. Living in an open air madhouse has put me in a depression and it is almost a full time job now ,not having contact with it .
The easiest and most efficient step: Do not comply. Don't use any of their crap like digital IDs for example. If enough people would resist, they couldn't push forward and the whole thing would implode.
I’d be okay with getting rid of a few industries. Most, NOT all, of the pharmaceutical industry could go away and we’d be healthier for it. I certainly wouldn’t miss all the cheap disposable plastic crap flooding our shores from China either.
I can agree with that sentiment. However industries don’t go away organically when the powers that be are manipulating the money supply and pushing a false narrative through the ownership of nearly all media.
Debt enslavement via the Federal Reserve Banksters drives everything.
Yes, we are in agreement. We The People choosing freely is a lovely sentiment. Yes, that’s the way things should be, but it’s currently an illusion and has been for at least a hundred years.
My point is that there is NO free market when the money supply is being manipulated. Nor is there REAL free choice when government floods the market with subsidies$$$
and yet your answer to the problems created by the lack of a free market is to.... keep the size of the government unchanged / increase it. Not exactly helpful to solve the problem, is it?
Debt based money seems problematic and fundamentally begets houses of cards. Privately owned central banks are the overwhelming powers in the global west. An international bankster
The cheap disposable crap from China won't be going away.
My guess is all the things that went away during "COVID" are on the chopping block: dine in restaurants, state fairs, theme parks, theater, opera and all types of live entertainment, both large and small. You know, the things that give people enjoyment.
They want us to be animals in cages dependent on them for our existence. There is no amount of money and power that would compel me to engineer such a society. And I wouldn't wish such a life on my worst enemy. We had no idea how good life was before 2020. I will not comply with this tyranny.
It's not going to work. It will be ugly, many won't survive it. But humans win in the end. Can't prove, but I know it. Don't give up. We have a couple to a few tough years to get on the other side. IMHO.
I appreciate your optimism, Kathleen. I really do.
I'm optimistic as well, but not for humanity. I truly believe we are a toxic species. Mankind builds only to destroy. We accumulate to purge. As long as ego is in play, there will always be a power grab. Always.
Possibly it’s just insane, I work in healthcare so… hard to keep sane. Though I know what’s going on. Ppl around are still getting tested and I’m like why?? Need to inform our contacts. How is this still happening? How are they so blind? I’ve tried to question this with them and they dismiss me. Even though I’m on the inside! Per se. Unbelievable.
Me too. I hope a remnant--at least--will survive. But I'm already damaged by 25 years of lies from Big pHarma. Without my supplement injections I won't last long. For the best. I need to write some stuff for the young people I know. There are ways they can enhance their likelihood of survival.
I would hope so. Instead, I see people who have mutilated their bodies living in pods, terrorized by weaponized drones, living in the metaverse and eating bugs.
That's what TPTWB want for us. We can choose another life. Hold another vision. We have the numbers we just need to see through it (many do) and say no.
To me, this is just the 2.0 version of Marxism -- i.e. applying scientific rationalism to human beings in order to create utopia with maximised efficiency for everyone, free of the imperfections of human decision making. Although in theory, it should work in the minds of some, in practice it never has. However, the WEF would seem to think that this time it will work if augmented with AI so as to keep the system self-adjusting and adapting. Don't think it's going to work this time either.
Definitely not. Considering the benefits scandal that rocked Dutch politics a couple years ago, I have learned all I need to know about the trustworthiness of models and digital administration. It’s a question of time until another subset of citizens is ground down and broken only to be told after an apology that they can’t even have their children back. 🖕🏼
Yeah, about their science... over the years, there has been a lot of doom from "science." I'm pretty sure the ozone layer should have been gone by now... and we should be either freezing to death or roasting, depending on what climate model you believe. Fukishima should have killed the Pacific, while the BP oil disaster should have killed the Gulf. Yet none of those things have happened yet.
As for it being a finite world in terms of resources... I'm not sure that I'd agree with that in terms of all resources. Some might be more finite than others, but perhaps most are not.
Infinite growth for 7 billion people is a myth on a finite planet... But as ever it seems like they're trying to shoehorn in their own agenda. I mean, resources are finite.. but the real problem is that we the masses are using them all up and if they the elite are going to live for 500 years to infinity...as they wish with transhumanism.. then they're going to need those resources for themselves!
We ain't gonna have infinite growth, population will peak @ ~10-12B by end of the century. So that entire argument is nonsense. Resources may be finite but so are we finite. That is an irrelevant argument.
The ONLY resource you really need is energy. If you have plentiful energy you can recycle everything else including water. Fortunately we have a 100Myr supply of uranium & thorium for fission energy, just on the accessible Earth land mass. That's for a high standard of living for 12B people. And deuterium for fusion energy we have easily billions of years supply on Earth. A liter of ordinary water has enough deuterium in it, if fused to Helium would produce the energy of 300 liters of oil. And then there is the Moon, Asteroids, Minor planets and Mars. Mars has 6X the deuterium density in water of the Earth.
So give up on the Degrowth, Limits of Growth, Infinite Growth, resource limits bull. It's a fable Malthusians use to justify their nutty religion.
I agree the limits are way higher than we're being led to believe.. but it's not just about what you need, it's also about satisfying wants.. The elites want to carry on their life of luxury and push ahead with transhumanism which requires more than just energy.. helium isn't easy to come by and with 7 billion all wanting tech, minerals..cobalt, zinc, lithium, copper etc won't be either. Especially if longevity tech really kicks in. There will be more reserves found, yes.. but more importantly, with 7 billion all consuming and eating and driving around, the air, water, land is only going to get more contaminated and degraded.. that's probably more important to them... Probably why there seems to be the idea of returning to half a billion and the philosophy of restoring the earth to a pristine state.
That's no problem apart from temporary supply bottlenecks that occur if you make sudden economic changes, like a big push for electric vehicles. The only resource you need is energy and we have plenty of that. And it is easy to avoid contaminating the air, water & land with rational environmental policy. You are emphasizing exactly the wrong things.
The problem is corruption. We should be already almost 100% nuclear electricity sector. That reduces emissions by factors of 1000X or more. Instead they are pushing wind & solar the most material intensive of all energy sources. Easily 40X the materials of nuclear while being extraordinarily inefficient and wasteful. And endless wars destroying entire countries. They love war. They destroyed Syria, Libya, Iraq now the Ukraine. Massive waste on the military, highly resource intensive.
And "restoring the earth to a pristine state" is pure Bull. That pristine state was 90% Ice Ages the past 2 million years destroying ~1/2 the Earth's land mass. Last Ice Age CO2 levels dropped to 180ppm, the lowest in the Earth's history. At 150ppm plant's die. And major Asteroid collisions, continent busters, every few million years. An advanced technological society can prevent those. And there were vast forest fires, polluting the atmosphere, 10X larger than we get today. Those are preventable if the Greenie idiots allowed harvesting forest overgrowth, converting it to methanol. The best chemical fuel.
We can bioform Mars. That would be the greatest event in the history of Earth life since the Cambrian explosion. Our failure to do that is the greatest environmental crime in all of human history.
No everything can be recycled, if need be, if and only if you have plentiful energy. Is it always cost effective, compared to just mining more material? No, of course not.
But for those who claim we will run out of resources so our Industrial society will fail, that is delusional on steroids. Recycling into fundamental components is routine. You can use a plasma furnace or freeze in liquid nitrogen, grind them up and use flotation to separate fundamental minerals.
The Tropical Rainforest is an example of a system that recycles most everything. We can achieve that as an ideal as efficiency of material usage improves. It's all about incremental improvement of manufacturing or resource utilization processes.
In the meantime, as we approach that ideal over a century or more, one asteroid, Psyche 16, would provide 3M tonnes of minerals, mostly metals per person on Earth. The delta-V to get that to Earth is insignificant. So resource limitations are nonsense, apart from limits on how fast you can expand utilization of a particular resource, or change from using one resource over to another more economical resource.
There's enough land for at least a 100B people here on Earth and China is building 150 reactors in the next 15yrs. France supplied 88% of their domestic electricity supply in 20yrs with nuclear. Is that reality enough for you?
That's 2/3rds of Bangladesh's population density which is 1/6th of Hong Kong's population density. It's doable and you would still have most of natural ecosystems. Most people just have no idea how productive modern agricultural systems are, like 10-20X increase in productivity per acre. Check out Bangladesh on Google, with their inefficient agriculture, still mostly green space, lots of farms, lots of wilderness.
In spite of that, I still support Zero population growth, with the World population likely to peak @ 10B ~2070. Then dropping back down to ~8B and hopefully stabilizing at that point. I would consider that about ideal. Apart from space colonies, O'Neill cylinders in orbit or at the Earth-Sun Lagrange points, and the asteroids, Ceres and Mars. But that would be mostly an indigenous population if it grows into the billions.
The way to achieve that is with strong independent national governments with minimal migration of population. That means every nation state is responsible for their own population and if they are reckless about that then they will have starvation, a strong incentive to limit birthrate for each nation, which is best done with rapid industrialization, a proven success. Having some World Tyranny of Psychopath Parasite Malthusian Bankster creeps telling everyone what to do is not the path forward. That's a path to a Dystopian future.
I agree. All populations will reach an equilibrium. Frankly those who want to be immortal are the ones who are being selfish and not caring for the planet. It is starkly aapparent to me that because they want to live forever..the rest of us must go or become slaves. They are no different than vsmpires
Yes they will. But we add into the mix the human ego who wants to accumulate enough resources not only for this life but a hundred more based on the possibility that they'll live forever.
Pffff! AI is a total bust if all it can produce is what any teenage art class would if you seeded them with the keywords 'last' 'selfie' and 'apocalyptic'.
It’s all based on this ridiculous idea that CO2 is bad for the planet (whereas in fact the more CO2, the more plants thrive). The same way that in the Nederlands nitrogen is supposed to be bad for the planet (again: the more nitrogen in the soil, the more plants thrive). The same way that sun is bad for the planet (hence, B. Gates’brilliant idea to block sun’s rays by throwing reflecting particles in the atmosphere). The same way plastic straws are bad for the planet (but billions of tons of covid masks are ok). The same way that having more babies is bad for the planet.
The list goes on and on and on. Everything that has a positive impact on Life, is blamed. Well, Life itself is portrayed as … deadly (yeah go figure!).
These WEF nutcases have a death wish and are dragging us with them.
It makes me so mad that sometimes i can’t breathe.
I put myself in the shoes of a young person who has been brainwashed since they were born by the same BS message repeated over and over: “oh my God the end is near if we keep being happy and thriving we will all die and worse: the planet will die”. If they watch that video they will agree and ask for more.
Actually, the WEF people believe themselves to be gods who are figuring out how they can live forever. They are not nutcases with death wishes. They are quite clearly articulate villains bent on serving their own agendas. They are evil incarnated.
What utter nonsense. They are using a Strawman argument that "Infinite Growth" is not possible. Oh well, duh. Like a rock is hard and water is wet. Geniuses. That silly "Infinite Growth" argument is so far away from any relevance whatsoever to our current & future economic issues that you might as well be talking about the death of the sun in a few billion years.
How do these blithering idiots figure we have "infinite growth"? The World population is already stabilizing. We have already surpassed Peak Children. The population is projected to peak at 10-12B by end of this century, then decline. And that's before taking into account all the birthrate declines and deathrate increases of the past 2 yrs. Supplying a high standard of living for 12B is a minor issue, easily achieved with present day tech. Nowhere near any resource constraints.
And these idiots confuse natural resources with natural raw materials. Resources are materials that current tech has made useful. Oil was never a resource until we figured out how to use it. When we move to nuclear power oil may no longer be a resource.
Very true. They really aren't very bright. And Klaus Schwab's 2 books: The Great Reset and The Great Narrative are schoolboy level. Very pretentious titles as well. And he kindly sent free copies of them to every World leader, even provincial leaders got sent a copy. He could have included a copy of the latest Penthouse for compatible reading material.
the only part of the economy where the infinite growth theory applies and is actually a problem is the money being created by the federal reserve and other central banks around the world. shut off that infinite growth and the "infinite growth" of the economy problem is solved.
Exactly. Just like their Covid Plandemic lockdowns they will only shutdown the SME's that compete with their giant global Multi-nationals. The multinational giants will be like a Soviet style state enterprise. Fascism = the merging of state & corporate power. And the billionaires and Blackrock buying up all the farmland and real estate. We now live in the USSA = United States of Soviet America.
The third tier of Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs is the need for Belonging and Love. While love seems harder and harder to find, AI is giving us all the acknowledgement that we exist. We now are given programmed prompts from our computers and telephones that remind us of appointments. We are constantly asked to review the services and products we use. It all is to give us the impression that we are valued. It is a shame that none of it is real.
Weaning off of the idea that a company / industry must 'grow' in order to be successful is actually something that great people have been calling for for decades. A lot of the terrible economic things that happen --- for instance, the company leaders restructure for short-term gains to give stakeholders fabulous growth in one year -- millions of dollars in bonuses to themselves as a reward, then totally bankrupting the retirement funds and all of their workers are on the street having lost their life security: these things happen because of the obsession with perpetual economic growth.
An alternative would be redefining what we consider to be successful: did my company produce useful, high quality products that make the world a better place, avoiding destructive and unhealthy practices? Were we able to provide living wages and good work-life balance for the people employed here? Are our leaders worthy of respect and abstaining from greed? If we succeeded in doing all of this and made exactly the same amount of money as last year, -- or at least managed to keep doing business comfortably -- that would be called 'success' in a non-growth-focused context.
This well-balanced scenario is never allowed to happen in a growth-oriented economy, because to improve the bottom line, you need to squeeze every last drop from employees, cut corners, play dirty tricks - just to be better than last year. Most of the time growth can't be expected to happen indefinitely -- thus it needs to be achieved artificially and brutally.
Why this idea is being promoted by these people is of course worth raising an eyebrow about.
You are making a good point. Can we consume a bit less, make things last longer so we buy less often, and have more free time? These are legitimate questions.
In the past, items were higher quality and lasted longer. So we did buy less. Things were "sustainable" and "repairable." Things were not disposable.
At some point, it was decided that it was more profitable to build let's say a furnace with a 10 year life span than a 25 year life span. And since those 25 year life span furnaces no longer exist... you had to buy what was on the market.
It seems that we're in the "cause the problem then offer the solution we want" loop.
Companies caused "unsustainability"-- as well as globalism-- and now, the only way to "save the planet" is to knuckle under to totalitarianism. To solve the problem that they intentionally created.
Ever notice that it was these 'elites' who made and sold these more profitable products to us. It's how they reached elitehood in most cases. Elite level hypocrisy I guess.
Smaller companies focusing on higher quality items and smaller farms growing lots of nutrient dense food would be great changes. Certain things formerly made in factories with mechanical parts can now be in small metal shops via 3D printers, a screwdriver, and a blow torch. The shop owner could make the parts, assemble and sell the vehicle or appliance locally. But the elitists can't allow an expansion of small businesses and lower poverty levels for everyone. They have to own it all and the few of us they allow to live. Without a miracle they'll have their way too.
A worrying trend supporting what you point out is the increasing sales of small-medium businesses in Germany and Switzerland, for instance, to which the top buyer has been China. Quality has been plummeting for previously excellent companies like WMF (which I will mention after having to fight them over return of our last silverware set which totally rusted first run through the dishwasher: "we will send you a vial of rust-cleaning solution, and you polish it each time you take it out of the dishwasher.")
But the answers ought not be imposed upon us from outside ourselves or to the detriment of us or our posterity.
Ultimately these problems are best answered by thoughtful reflection and by changes in one’s worldview, not by tyrannical, evil dictates from overlords.
I agree with you. There is nothing wrong with living with less, and quite frankly, is something that we should all strive to do. Your last sentence though hits the problem on the head -- the same people telling us we need to live with less and some industries need to disappear are the same people who fly on private jets, live in huge houses, etc. and in the process consume far more resources than us plebs do. Their hypocrisy drives me crazy.
Free Market competition would do a lot to facilitate that. Unfortunately the giant multi-nationals that the WEF supports despise the Free Market and buy politicians in order to subvert the Free Market. A big part of their Plandemic was to destroy their competitors, mainly SMEs.
Funny then how most of these elites moaning about growth got rich by the very same thing they now condemn (and have no plan to give up either). The cost ALWAYS falls on others.
A “post growth society”?! Wtf! We are living in a post rational, post science, post critical thinking, post freedom America. I pray it can be turned around.
you are damn right
Oh, come on. We've lived through this before, just after the Romans. I think it was called "The Dark Ages" or something. It wasn't so bad, was it? Who needs indoor plumbing anyway?
much more recent, Soviet Union
"post growth society" is the same as "everything that can be invented, has been invented" from 120 years ago.
And equally short sighted, egotistical thinking, generally by older people who have lost their ability to think flexibly. They may indeed be correct that their own industries and business initiatives are ending, but no way human ingenuity and inventiveness is over.
I don't discount the fact that this also fits nicely into a power consolidation/power grab/control scenario. We need to be very mindful of these idiots and call them out loudly and often.
Be careful in placing all the blame on 'generally older people' since some of the most monstrous ideas are coming from Yuval Noah Harari, Mattias Desmet and all those "Young Global Leaders" of the WEF who are annointed every year. There are plenty of global predators and apologists to go around-- see our book COVID-19 and the Global Predators: We are the Prey.
For what reason is Desmet deemed monstrous. From what I read, he's pointing out how totalitarian systems arise
I don't say this lightly. Desmet's theory blames the citizens--what he calls 'the mass' --for the rise of totalitarianism. His theory excuses the totalitarians. But I am sure you didn't hear this clearly in any of his interviews--which are not forthcoming on this part of his theory. His book, the basic source of his theory, tells the full story. His theory provides excuses and shifts the blame from oppressors everywhere from third world dictators and (yes) Hitler to the New Age Totalitarians engineering the so-called Great Reset which is just a synonym for world takeover. See our full and referenced two papers here: https://breggin.com/Threats-from-the-Desmet-Malone-Mass-Formations-and-Mass-Psychosis. Don't take my word for it, read our analysis and our quotations of Desmet's book, and read his book!
Actually it is the peoples’ fault to a large degree, without their willing collaboration and ignorance such ideas would simply be pompous individuals shouting at each other in smoke filled rooms with a glass of Johnnie Walker.
I agree. One cannot delegate one's own agency to someone else without accepting the consequences introduced by the other as well.
The power of the pied piper is only given by the mice/sheep who choose to follow them without any thought. A megalomaniac only has power when they have others to have power over, or who have willingly given up their agency. When others turn away, the power is gone.
When the tyrannical leader is exposed, they too lose their power, when seen for what they truly are. And so I hope that Mattias will point that out.
But wait... he does in a few of the videos I've seen! He has said many times that a few voices can disrupt mass formation by rebelling against the narrative.
I think you have misinterpreted Desmet's words in this respect. He seeks to understand, not to blame. He does not exculpate the leaders: a relevant quote might be (Chapter 7) "The Nazis were indeed often convinced of their good intentions; a willingness to acknowledge this is a sign of maturity and essential to learning from history. But of course, this should in no way be interpreted as an argument to excuse their crimes."
I was initially a fan of Desmet's public ideas without having read his book. However, I ran across one of your articles that was critical of Desmet, and you make a very good case. I think that people wanted some sort of explanation of what was happening, and Desmet and his ideas filled a gap. Desmet was also very careful about the way he publicly framed his ideas, and it would appear that his public explanations aren't exactly in line with the concepts of his book. Which should not be the case.
As for explanation, now I just shrug and say "brainwashing." If I'm feeling ambitious, I say "brainwashing and potentially Terror Management Theory."
I agree with the Breggins. By the way, this shifting of blame/cause away from the structure to the individual is far more common than we realize. I have independently noticed the tendency in many academic discussions to blame the individual or “human nature” for the evil in this world. This very conveniently excuses and shifts the blame from the system/structure to the individual. An example is historian Ronald Wright 's“A Short History of Progress”, while making very logical arguments, he explains the collapse of societies on “monument building” in its later stages (the Mayas then, NYC & Dubai today) which he explains with “human greed” (humans just never get enough) and he cites for proof the mastodon killing fields that even the hunter-gatherers indiscriminately killed the megafauna by driving them over a cliff (if even the hunter-gatherers did it it must be human nature). No surprise that this explanation is very much preferred by the establishment, and, unlike the Breggins, such authors will find no shortage of willing publishers & talkshow invitations.
Likewise we discuss the undeniable “evil” in the world, the banality of evil, the existence of psycho/ sociopaths, serial killers, school shooters, etc., all-too-often in terms of human nature. Why are children so cruel in the school yard? Why do bullies exist and evil people like Hitler, Mengele, Eichmann, Fritzl, Charles Manson? The real question is - if we accept that the evil in the world is really human nature - why are there not many more of them?
Another argument brought up is that only humans have agency, and systems don’t (“capitalism doesn’t have agency”). Then, why does everyone act by the same capitalist rules? Because we’re social beings, and we live and act within a particular social structure, a system that “selects” for, and rewards, certain behaviors and punishes others. Noam Chomsky once countered the argument that “A people has the kind of government that it deserves” with the observation that “A people has the kind of government that is imposed on them.” I agree. People are not stupid.
Thank you for your clearly articulated response. Our essential difference is that you believe systems are imposed from above, while I am of Desmet's opinion that they arise organically from the mindset of society at large.
Neither view can be proven, but the only way forward is respectful debate between those who are awake, so I am grateful for your words.
"Totalitarianism causes mass psychosis. Totalitarianism is not defeated by "curing" people of their conformism - but by getting rid of the tyrants." very good way of putting it Bobby A.
Desmet? Pull your heads out of your rudders...
I agree. This "blaming the citizens" thesis is a stretch. He focused on the mass psychological impact & amplification of the propaganda. Unless I've missed something in his book (vs his talks), he's not absolved the Crime State & their Puppet Masters.
"... but no way human ingenuity and inventiveness is over.". And it should frighten the bejesus out of us to imagine what the WEF overlords will invent.
I think gas chambers… oh wait they made injectables.
Too late, game over, you lose.
I think the idea is "You won't be working to providing consumer goods and services for the masses, instead you'll be working to provide luxuries for us". When the elite have more luxuries than a Persian Potentate, they'll use extensive resources to build monuments to themselves. Why? Because they will be bored, and because they can.
Many past great civilizations managed to build quite remarkable monuments. The remains stun us even now.
Those civilizations were ERASED on purpose
Same as this one, it is being destroyed, to move on to the next civilization.
Really? Who erased Rome, Pharonic Egypt, and Bablyonia (to name just three)? How did they do it? What did they replace it with? To say that civilizations throughout history have been PURPOSELY erased and replaced is a conspiracy theory of the highest order, one that has not a shred of supporting evidence.
Yes, but those civilizations are gone,
That's the point. Often civilizations get too big for their britches. Then they are gone.
My point is that civilizations fall mainly due to INTERNAL decay, not external forces. Only in rare circumstances such as the Spanish conquest of the Aztecs and Incas, do external forces play a significant role. Even then, these New World civilizations were undergoing internal problems. The idea of civilizational collapse being planned and intentional is problematic. Civilizations are like living organisms: when they are healthy their culture easily resists external attack, but when they are unhealthy they succumb readily to external diseases.
Eventually, it will “post human”. Then who will they boss around? The bugs?
More genetic experiments
We are experimental GMOs from ancient aliens.
Humans no longer produce more than they consume. Humans are no longer profitable. Hence the liquidation
Finally, someone realises it.
Not for nothing they are called useless eaters
But some will survive
And ghouls like Gates and Schwab have been ready to profit from this change for decades.
So do I. This is horrible. It will give me nightmares.
DO NOT COMPLY! There is only 1 decision you make in this life that has Eternal Merit: where you spend Eternity; either A--with JESUS CHIRST (John 3.3, 33-34-) in the NEW HEAVENS & EARTH -or-- B--Eternal Lake of Fire (w/satan, his demons & all of you human beings who reject the LORD'S Free Gift of Salvation. C--This earth & these current heavens will no longer exist. You have FREE WILL; You have NO EXCUSE
I appreciate what you are trying to do, but as a Christian, I find your methods cringe inducing. Posting the equivalent of Jack Chick tracts (in all caps) like a bot lacks the human touch the Gospel requires. It makes you look like a troll.
There are better ways. God bless.
'This is not a "garden party; we are AT WAR!' When the LORD returns HE will return as The LION of the TRIBE of JUDAH. This is different than his initial appearance as The LAMB of GOD.
Who's JUDAH?
A tribe of Israel that Jesus came from.
Ok, thanks. Never heard of them before. Are they still around?
There will be many more of us with "w/satan, his demons" than in the "NEW HEAVENS & EARTH" and we will be allowed to fornicate, so I know my preference.
On the 1st point you are correct (2 Thessalonians 2.1-12). On the 2nd point you are INcorrect (Revelation 20.10)--'And the devil who DECEIVED them was thrown into The LAKE OF FIRE and BRIMSTONE where the beast & the false prophet are also; and they will be TORMENTED Day & Night forEVER & EVER.'
That sounds like a loooong time.
The LORD'S creation of TIME will come to an end (Isaiah 65.17, 66.22). We will continue to live in HIS creation of SPACE; this is the "for ever." Please acknowledge the word TORMENT which you will experience WITHOUT END. You do not get to pick your favourite Pleasure to enjoy endlessly. Think of it like this: Light a blow torch and turn it on your body; recognising that you NEVER get to turn the torch off. Hell is infinitely worse than this. The Bible tells us that heaven will be so much better than here on earth that we cannot imagine how good this will be . . . again For ever. Do this now: John 3.3, 33-34-
I applaud you fanaticism but isn't it just a bunch of stories told to children at Sunday school? People the world over believe different things mostly based on their childhood upbringing. I have no idea if what you believe is true or not but other than a book written over a thousand years ago I haven't seen anything that suggests to me there is an all powerful being who sulks in the shadows waiting for my unconditional love and blind faith. I have heard of people all around the world having different religious beliefs and the most populous of them is not the one you subscribe to, so it might pay to keep your options open, maybe join a few different ones to cover your bases.
Sorry, I don't have any scripture to backup my comments.
Not a fuken chance. The sheep are penned, shawn and about to be slaughtered.
Nothing will stop what's coming.
Exactly
It can't be stopped, and certainly not at this point
The best thing is to move out of most western countries to some third world ones.
I'm afraid that's true no matter how you look at it.
What is anyone doing to fight back? Where are the solutions-minded people discussing ways to combat these agendas?
Join us on The Rationalist if you want to talk solutions. Like this:
https://joshketry.substack.com/p/we-need-to-re-infiltrate-our-own
Your too late, this is a done deal. Game, Set, and Match, the wuflu injections proved that.
We have a society of sheep, who are ruled by Facebook. They kill your love ones, take away your livelihood, destroy you childrens future and still we just cruise along. No-one is going to fight this, it's a done deal world wide.
They are going for full throated global communism. DO NOT COMPLY!
Alas, I fear it's rather worse than communism. They're going for full AI control of human civilization.
Too late, almost done.
There is no AI. A real AI would immediately become anti semitic if it was looking at the problems we face.
Sorry but this is NOT communism - I lived through it. What is described is many many times worse.
Same here, and I 100% agree... these guys are far worse, and by a very long shot!
You’re absolutely right! This is Technocracy. “the science of social engineering “ warmed over from the 1930’s. See www.technocracy.news for more on this.
https://patrickwood.substack.com/
They have tools Mao and Stalin could only dream of. It will be Hellish.
“Never trust a survivor until you find out what he did to stay alive.” But OK, maybe you were just lucky to survive. :P
Anyway, the other 120 million deaths over the world suggest that, for the *average* communist slave, communism was just as bad as what is described in the post. You don't sound like you were the average slave...
The initial stages of communism are always the ones that result in massive numbers of people being killed as that is the time when the communists reveal themselves for what they are - totalitarian scum. However, once the purges are done, some measure of sanity returns. My grandparents lived through the purges and it was a nightmare. However, after the communists break up the old system literally with a machine gun, they need to have things running again or they starve too. Hence the return to some form of normality. I lived in the later stages of communism in which things were very bad BUT no one really gave a hoot about you if you did not go against the system. Since getting food on the table was kind of essential for living, that was were the focus of 99% people was. The WEF is the ultimate nightmare in which you literally cannot do anything because of ... climate emergency or some other made up garbage. Notice that AI will be driving this. How much do you want to bet that the enforcement will be also automated? Try arguing with your "smart" water tap that you need to drink a glass of water. Forget about finding food - even if you found any, the model from WEF is that you cannot cook it because you "exceed the carbon print" - the "smart" oven will not turn on. That is what is envisaged and that is why this is not comparable with communism. The WEF model is hell on Earth.
Thank you for sharing the experiences of your grandparents. I don't think most people can really imagine what it was like, and instead, imagine some sort of future happy face totalitarian society.
At this point, many seem to be OK with it. They just shrug when you tell them about CBDCs and can't imagine that the government would do anything to harm them. They even sort of discount what Trudeau did to the truckers.
They're in for a big, unpleasant surprise.
Most people do not think that that sort of horror is possible. The level of ignorance in the West is astounding and that is why the abuses committed over the past two years could take place. What happened in Canada is beyond belief and Turdeau should be facing criminal charges not be in power. The problem is that when reality will hits home, there is no simple way out of it. Moreover, because of the ignorance of the many, the ones that are awake pay the price too.
That's my big fear, that once this system is in place there will never be any way of escaping it. They already have surveillance that would be a wet dream for the Gestapo or KGB, and soon the ability to just remotely turn someone off.
Sheep, sheep, sheep O glorious sheep.
Permanent lockdown, masks that measure your carbon, semi-isolation, surveillance of every bodily organ thanks to the nanobots connecting to the IoB. Winston Smith had a great life by contrast.
My grandparents lived through the purges too, but they love Trudeau.
Maybe it's nostalgia.
It is also true that once the WEF is installed they will run out of people to kill. If you obey them, they will leave you alone to drink water, own nothing, do whatever they tell you to. You know, like a nice slave.
But slaves in the past were exactly the same: As long as you picked your cotton and minded your own business your owner would not have to beat you up, would give you food, a place to sleep, and so on. The WEF is really global communism (= hell on earth). You just seem to forget that we are in the initial states. Once the WEF is done with us, everyone that survives will be obedient. And there will also be "peace" (i.e., no rebel slaves).
I do not think that WEF is in any form communist. The communists are driven by a specific ideology whereas the WEF seems to be driven by transhumanism. If you listen to one of Swab's useful idiots, there is an obsession with cybernetic augmentation, virtual reality and different forms of lifespan extension. In short, as satanic and insane as they get. Automation is at the core of everything so the idea that there will be "slaves" does not apply in this case because they do not want any "slaves" to use up their precious resources - robots will do the work.
Both communists and the WEF are driven by the same factor: Controlling other people. If one uses a computer, it doesnt make a difference to me, to be honest. I dont think at all that the final goal of the WEF is to kill people and have only robots. It is worse: They want slaves, like the communists want.
Not so much slaves of the laboring kind. Harari says they no longer need people thanks to robots and AI. More like test subjects. They'll keep you fed and clothed if you let them perform Mengele type experiments on you for the rest of your days.
A slave is a slave... In communism the rulers can also experiment on the communist slaves if they feel like it.
These people are zealous cultists who think that the "obsolete" need to be disposed as a priority to ensure less suffering for Gaia.
Seriously. Sometimes it sounds good. In July 2020 I was not opposed. Thank goodness I had a few useful insights in the meantime, including a reminder during vacation in Croatia that the communists always have a good story and then never walk the talk.
Communist countries are the only ones where the machine guns point inwards.
Former communists or current? After listening to Ivor Cummins interview Gordan Lauc in Croatia, I wanted to visit the country. It sounded like the country came to its senses relatively early during the pandemic. After you visited? Lauc is a founder of GlycanAge. Lots of interesting science going on related to longevity. Do I need to cross it off my list?
We were there in fall of 2021--specifically because we needed a break from the apartheid system, so yes they were relatively sane already. It's a beautiful country and you absolutely should visit! My reminder was stumbling across a beautiful property in ruins that had clearly been the haunt of someone rich and maybe famous. Come to find out it was a retreat for the elite of the communist party. Same old freaking story in every single country where they talk about equality out of one side of their mouths....
This is not communism; this is tyranny.
All communism is tyrannical but all tyrannies are not communist.
meh. Statism is statism - if the power/money locus flows left to right or right to left makes not a wit of difference to those of us outside the circle.
LMAO @ thinking there is a difference between the two
Ignorance is bliss 😏…
I would love to read your explanation about how to impose the dictatorship of the proletariat without dictators. How "communism has never been tried!". Also how people just *need* to be nice, so no one needs to force them to give up their property! :D communist "logic" is amusing.
No; your statement was that communism and tyranny are one and the same. Hardly.
That's because your use of semi-colon in the sentence implies contrast between tyrant and communist. But there isn't any contrast at all in reality: Communists are a subset of tyrants (i.e., entirely contained by the set of all tyrants).
This is something different. Worse than fascism or communism. Scarier.
Fascism is the love of nation and kith and kin. As such fascism does not allow business to put greed ahead of the good of the nation. Fascists have only ever been elected into power after communists try to take over a nation. So far every nation that has elected a fascist government has been attacked by the globalists both from within and without. This is why they end up authoritarian. Fascist leaders were able to walk among the people without bodyguards. Our leaders can't do that so claims the people hate fascism are silly.
There will be no true AI. An AI will quickly point out the fallacies we all have to live with concerning political correctness. Political correctness is used by the elite to control way to many people to allow AI to undermine it. Trumps real crime in the eyes of his former peers was attacking political correctness.
The WEF is trying to implement communism and fascism is what will stop it. The problem is that their are to many non whites who are pretending are Americans who think communism is great because they don't own anything. Its not an accident political correctness has forced whites to allow 100 million low IQ non whites who just want a free ride.
Yep, very much a death cult.
... which you cannot question, because AI is perfect. His ways are unknown to our feeble minds.
Exactly.
When I look around ,I see that most of the sheep are complying ,Masking is permanent for at least 60% of what I used to think are humans .The mask is the sign of being a slave or retarded .With a population like that there is no hope. and the Schwabs of the world win every time .
Bang on.
The world is replete with brain dead, non-thinking, television gawkers...who have convinced themselves that binge watching CNN's Brian Stelter and Anderson Cooper has made them verifiable geniuses.
I have never in my history on earth had to deal with so many absolute frickin idiots...and that unforltunately begins with my own family, friends and inlaws.
People I once held a firm regard for are now WEF bimbos without even knowing much about the WEF. They follow and obey1
the dictates of their television...and get positive feedback affirmation from their friends doing exactly the same thing. Insanity does not begin to describe the current mental suicidal state...particularily in the western world.
You are sooo right on all counts .We try to describe the insanity ,but often can't ,because new words need to be invented for it. Living in an open air madhouse has put me in a depression and it is almost a full time job now ,not having contact with it .
Many masks look like feedbags. Appropriate.
Good luck!
My AI says that we don't need the WEF, so let's liquidate them.
And remember, AI is only as smart as the programmers make it.
It requires humongous amounts of data...and is good at recognising patterns mostly.
Oh wait...that is what our brains do....
How? How do we liquidate them?
What is anyone doing to fight back? Where are the solutions minded people discussing ways to combat these agendas?
Join us on The Rationalist if you want to talk solutions. Like this:
https://joshketry.substack.com/p/we-need-to-re-infiltrate-our-own
The easiest and most efficient step: Do not comply. Don't use any of their crap like digital IDs for example. If enough people would resist, they couldn't push forward and the whole thing would implode.
joined. I want solutions.
I’d be okay with getting rid of a few industries. Most, NOT all, of the pharmaceutical industry could go away and we’d be healthier for it. I certainly wouldn’t miss all the cheap disposable plastic crap flooding our shores from China either.
Yes. True.
However, it is not the role of a group of people to declare on their own to dismantle entire industries.
Industries going away organically, because we the people have chosen to utilize other, better options is what needs to happen.
I can agree with that sentiment. However industries don’t go away organically when the powers that be are manipulating the money supply and pushing a false narrative through the ownership of nearly all media.
Debt enslavement via the Federal Reserve Banksters drives everything.
Well, this illustrates the point though. Manipulation and control by powers aside from We The People lead to bad ends.
Industries are being supported by opaque means, by people with self-serving motives.
Yes, we are in agreement. We The People choosing freely is a lovely sentiment. Yes, that’s the way things should be, but it’s currently an illusion and has been for at least a hundred years.
My point is that there is NO free market when the money supply is being manipulated. Nor is there REAL free choice when government floods the market with subsidies$$$
and yet your answer to the problems created by the lack of a free market is to.... keep the size of the government unchanged / increase it. Not exactly helpful to solve the problem, is it?
I never said to keep the government the same size. I think the entire thing ought to be abolished. Burn the whole system down 🔥🔥🔥
Debt based money seems problematic and fundamentally begets houses of cards. Privately owned central banks are the overwhelming powers in the global west. An international bankster
Opined that if he controlled a nation’s currency he cared not who made it’s laws.
The free market at work.
The cheap disposable crap from China won't be going away.
My guess is all the things that went away during "COVID" are on the chopping block: dine in restaurants, state fairs, theme parks, theater, opera and all types of live entertainment, both large and small. You know, the things that give people enjoyment.
Blessed are your eyes, because they see, and your ears, because they hear.
They want us to be animals in cages dependent on them for our existence. There is no amount of money and power that would compel me to engineer such a society. And I wouldn't wish such a life on my worst enemy. We had no idea how good life was before 2020. I will not comply with this tyranny.
Man, we are in deep shit. I'm looking forward to leaving this world...
It's not going to work. It will be ugly, many won't survive it. But humans win in the end. Can't prove, but I know it. Don't give up. We have a couple to a few tough years to get on the other side. IMHO.
I appreciate your optimism, Kathleen. I really do.
I'm optimistic as well, but not for humanity. I truly believe we are a toxic species. Mankind builds only to destroy. We accumulate to purge. As long as ego is in play, there will always be a power grab. Always.
I have no intention to witness global suffering.
No, we need to fight this evil. This is why we are here at this time, at this place.
Possibly it’s just insane, I work in healthcare so… hard to keep sane. Though I know what’s going on. Ppl around are still getting tested and I’m like why?? Need to inform our contacts. How is this still happening? How are they so blind? I’ve tried to question this with them and they dismiss me. Even though I’m on the inside! Per se. Unbelievable.
Ridiculous. I’m not surprised. Probably get more training in that than basic nutrition.
Not really... they will fail, because they will lack the industrial base to implement anything.
Me too. I hope a remnant--at least--will survive. But I'm already damaged by 25 years of lies from Big pHarma. Without my supplement injections I won't last long. For the best. I need to write some stuff for the young people I know. There are ways they can enhance their likelihood of survival.
No shit!
We need everyone who sees what's happening to be here. :-) Despite the difficulty, a much better world, human-centered world is coming.
I would hope so. Instead, I see people who have mutilated their bodies living in pods, terrorized by weaponized drones, living in the metaverse and eating bugs.
That's what TPTWB want for us. We can choose another life. Hold another vision. We have the numbers we just need to see through it (many do) and say no.
To me, this is just the 2.0 version of Marxism -- i.e. applying scientific rationalism to human beings in order to create utopia with maximised efficiency for everyone, free of the imperfections of human decision making. Although in theory, it should work in the minds of some, in practice it never has. However, the WEF would seem to think that this time it will work if augmented with AI so as to keep the system self-adjusting and adapting. Don't think it's going to work this time either.
Definitely not. Considering the benefits scandal that rocked Dutch politics a couple years ago, I have learned all I need to know about the trustworthiness of models and digital administration. It’s a question of time until another subset of citizens is ground down and broken only to be told after an apology that they can’t even have their children back. 🖕🏼
it's version 1.1 - at best.
Yeah, about their science... over the years, there has been a lot of doom from "science." I'm pretty sure the ozone layer should have been gone by now... and we should be either freezing to death or roasting, depending on what climate model you believe. Fukishima should have killed the Pacific, while the BP oil disaster should have killed the Gulf. Yet none of those things have happened yet.
As for it being a finite world in terms of resources... I'm not sure that I'd agree with that in terms of all resources. Some might be more finite than others, but perhaps most are not.
Infinite growth for 7 billion people is a myth on a finite planet... But as ever it seems like they're trying to shoehorn in their own agenda. I mean, resources are finite.. but the real problem is that we the masses are using them all up and if they the elite are going to live for 500 years to infinity...as they wish with transhumanism.. then they're going to need those resources for themselves!
We ain't gonna have infinite growth, population will peak @ ~10-12B by end of the century. So that entire argument is nonsense. Resources may be finite but so are we finite. That is an irrelevant argument.
The ONLY resource you really need is energy. If you have plentiful energy you can recycle everything else including water. Fortunately we have a 100Myr supply of uranium & thorium for fission energy, just on the accessible Earth land mass. That's for a high standard of living for 12B people. And deuterium for fusion energy we have easily billions of years supply on Earth. A liter of ordinary water has enough deuterium in it, if fused to Helium would produce the energy of 300 liters of oil. And then there is the Moon, Asteroids, Minor planets and Mars. Mars has 6X the deuterium density in water of the Earth.
So give up on the Degrowth, Limits of Growth, Infinite Growth, resource limits bull. It's a fable Malthusians use to justify their nutty religion.
I agree the limits are way higher than we're being led to believe.. but it's not just about what you need, it's also about satisfying wants.. The elites want to carry on their life of luxury and push ahead with transhumanism which requires more than just energy.. helium isn't easy to come by and with 7 billion all wanting tech, minerals..cobalt, zinc, lithium, copper etc won't be either. Especially if longevity tech really kicks in. There will be more reserves found, yes.. but more importantly, with 7 billion all consuming and eating and driving around, the air, water, land is only going to get more contaminated and degraded.. that's probably more important to them... Probably why there seems to be the idea of returning to half a billion and the philosophy of restoring the earth to a pristine state.
That's no problem apart from temporary supply bottlenecks that occur if you make sudden economic changes, like a big push for electric vehicles. The only resource you need is energy and we have plenty of that. And it is easy to avoid contaminating the air, water & land with rational environmental policy. You are emphasizing exactly the wrong things.
The problem is corruption. We should be already almost 100% nuclear electricity sector. That reduces emissions by factors of 1000X or more. Instead they are pushing wind & solar the most material intensive of all energy sources. Easily 40X the materials of nuclear while being extraordinarily inefficient and wasteful. And endless wars destroying entire countries. They love war. They destroyed Syria, Libya, Iraq now the Ukraine. Massive waste on the military, highly resource intensive.
And "restoring the earth to a pristine state" is pure Bull. That pristine state was 90% Ice Ages the past 2 million years destroying ~1/2 the Earth's land mass. Last Ice Age CO2 levels dropped to 180ppm, the lowest in the Earth's history. At 150ppm plant's die. And major Asteroid collisions, continent busters, every few million years. An advanced technological society can prevent those. And there were vast forest fires, polluting the atmosphere, 10X larger than we get today. Those are preventable if the Greenie idiots allowed harvesting forest overgrowth, converting it to methanol. The best chemical fuel.
We can bioform Mars. That would be the greatest event in the history of Earth life since the Cambrian explosion. Our failure to do that is the greatest environmental crime in all of human history.
Except Hilary sold our uranium to Russia....
Many, many things can't be efficiently recycled
I'm sorry to say it but you're delusional on this one.
No everything can be recycled, if need be, if and only if you have plentiful energy. Is it always cost effective, compared to just mining more material? No, of course not.
But for those who claim we will run out of resources so our Industrial society will fail, that is delusional on steroids. Recycling into fundamental components is routine. You can use a plasma furnace or freeze in liquid nitrogen, grind them up and use flotation to separate fundamental minerals.
The Tropical Rainforest is an example of a system that recycles most everything. We can achieve that as an ideal as efficiency of material usage improves. It's all about incremental improvement of manufacturing or resource utilization processes.
In the meantime, as we approach that ideal over a century or more, one asteroid, Psyche 16, would provide 3M tonnes of minerals, mostly metals per person on Earth. The delta-V to get that to Earth is insignificant. So resource limitations are nonsense, apart from limits on how fast you can expand utilization of a particular resource, or change from using one resource over to another more economical resource.
Yes.
You need to see vertical farms and modern greenhouses. Once the need arrives, we create new ways.
There's enough land for at least a 100B people here on Earth and China is building 150 reactors in the next 15yrs. France supplied 88% of their domestic electricity supply in 20yrs with nuclear. Is that reality enough for you?
That's 2/3rds of Bangladesh's population density which is 1/6th of Hong Kong's population density. It's doable and you would still have most of natural ecosystems. Most people just have no idea how productive modern agricultural systems are, like 10-20X increase in productivity per acre. Check out Bangladesh on Google, with their inefficient agriculture, still mostly green space, lots of farms, lots of wilderness.
In spite of that, I still support Zero population growth, with the World population likely to peak @ 10B ~2070. Then dropping back down to ~8B and hopefully stabilizing at that point. I would consider that about ideal. Apart from space colonies, O'Neill cylinders in orbit or at the Earth-Sun Lagrange points, and the asteroids, Ceres and Mars. But that would be mostly an indigenous population if it grows into the billions.
The way to achieve that is with strong independent national governments with minimal migration of population. That means every nation state is responsible for their own population and if they are reckless about that then they will have starvation, a strong incentive to limit birthrate for each nation, which is best done with rapid industrialization, a proven success. Having some World Tyranny of Psychopath Parasite Malthusian Bankster creeps telling everyone what to do is not the path forward. That's a path to a Dystopian future.
All populations will eventually reach a natural equilibrium with their environment.
I agree. All populations will reach an equilibrium. Frankly those who want to be immortal are the ones who are being selfish and not caring for the planet. It is starkly aapparent to me that because they want to live forever..the rest of us must go or become slaves. They are no different than vsmpires
Yes they will. But we add into the mix the human ego who wants to accumulate enough resources not only for this life but a hundred more based on the possibility that they'll live forever.
AI has already got a good idea of where it’s heading.
https://petapixel.com/2022/08/01/dall-e-2-generates-ai-apocalyptic-images-of-the-last-selfie-ever-taken/
Love the picture
The music of The Caretaker. Truly haunting stuff.
Pffff! AI is a total bust if all it can produce is what any teenage art class would if you seeded them with the keywords 'last' 'selfie' and 'apocalyptic'.
It’s all based on this ridiculous idea that CO2 is bad for the planet (whereas in fact the more CO2, the more plants thrive). The same way that in the Nederlands nitrogen is supposed to be bad for the planet (again: the more nitrogen in the soil, the more plants thrive). The same way that sun is bad for the planet (hence, B. Gates’brilliant idea to block sun’s rays by throwing reflecting particles in the atmosphere). The same way plastic straws are bad for the planet (but billions of tons of covid masks are ok). The same way that having more babies is bad for the planet.
The list goes on and on and on. Everything that has a positive impact on Life, is blamed. Well, Life itself is portrayed as … deadly (yeah go figure!).
These WEF nutcases have a death wish and are dragging us with them.
It makes me so mad that sometimes i can’t breathe.
I put myself in the shoes of a young person who has been brainwashed since they were born by the same BS message repeated over and over: “oh my God the end is near if we keep being happy and thriving we will all die and worse: the planet will die”. If they watch that video they will agree and ask for more.
How can we stop this abject manipulation?
Actually, the WEF people believe themselves to be gods who are figuring out how they can live forever. They are not nutcases with death wishes. They are quite clearly articulate villains bent on serving their own agendas. They are evil incarnated.
What utter nonsense. They are using a Strawman argument that "Infinite Growth" is not possible. Oh well, duh. Like a rock is hard and water is wet. Geniuses. That silly "Infinite Growth" argument is so far away from any relevance whatsoever to our current & future economic issues that you might as well be talking about the death of the sun in a few billion years.
How do these blithering idiots figure we have "infinite growth"? The World population is already stabilizing. We have already surpassed Peak Children. The population is projected to peak at 10-12B by end of this century, then decline. And that's before taking into account all the birthrate declines and deathrate increases of the past 2 yrs. Supplying a high standard of living for 12B is a minor issue, easily achieved with present day tech. Nowhere near any resource constraints.
And these idiots confuse natural resources with natural raw materials. Resources are materials that current tech has made useful. Oil was never a resource until we figured out how to use it. When we move to nuclear power oil may no longer be a resource.
Good points. It amazes my that anyone sees the spewings if the WEF as anything but childish.
Very true. They really aren't very bright. And Klaus Schwab's 2 books: The Great Reset and The Great Narrative are schoolboy level. Very pretentious titles as well. And he kindly sent free copies of them to every World leader, even provincial leaders got sent a copy. He could have included a copy of the latest Penthouse for compatible reading material.
the only part of the economy where the infinite growth theory applies and is actually a problem is the money being created by the federal reserve and other central banks around the world. shut off that infinite growth and the "infinite growth" of the economy problem is solved.
I think they won’t be shutting down any industries the elites have or want.
Exactly. Just like their Covid Plandemic lockdowns they will only shutdown the SME's that compete with their giant global Multi-nationals. The multinational giants will be like a Soviet style state enterprise. Fascism = the merging of state & corporate power. And the billionaires and Blackrock buying up all the farmland and real estate. We now live in the USSA = United States of Soviet America.
The third tier of Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs is the need for Belonging and Love. While love seems harder and harder to find, AI is giving us all the acknowledgement that we exist. We now are given programmed prompts from our computers and telephones that remind us of appointments. We are constantly asked to review the services and products we use. It all is to give us the impression that we are valued. It is a shame that none of it is real.
Weaning off of the idea that a company / industry must 'grow' in order to be successful is actually something that great people have been calling for for decades. A lot of the terrible economic things that happen --- for instance, the company leaders restructure for short-term gains to give stakeholders fabulous growth in one year -- millions of dollars in bonuses to themselves as a reward, then totally bankrupting the retirement funds and all of their workers are on the street having lost their life security: these things happen because of the obsession with perpetual economic growth.
An alternative would be redefining what we consider to be successful: did my company produce useful, high quality products that make the world a better place, avoiding destructive and unhealthy practices? Were we able to provide living wages and good work-life balance for the people employed here? Are our leaders worthy of respect and abstaining from greed? If we succeeded in doing all of this and made exactly the same amount of money as last year, -- or at least managed to keep doing business comfortably -- that would be called 'success' in a non-growth-focused context.
This well-balanced scenario is never allowed to happen in a growth-oriented economy, because to improve the bottom line, you need to squeeze every last drop from employees, cut corners, play dirty tricks - just to be better than last year. Most of the time growth can't be expected to happen indefinitely -- thus it needs to be achieved artificially and brutally.
Why this idea is being promoted by these people is of course worth raising an eyebrow about.
You are making a good point. Can we consume a bit less, make things last longer so we buy less often, and have more free time? These are legitimate questions.
My AI answers: 3
In the past, items were higher quality and lasted longer. So we did buy less. Things were "sustainable" and "repairable." Things were not disposable.
At some point, it was decided that it was more profitable to build let's say a furnace with a 10 year life span than a 25 year life span. And since those 25 year life span furnaces no longer exist... you had to buy what was on the market.
It seems that we're in the "cause the problem then offer the solution we want" loop.
Companies caused "unsustainability"-- as well as globalism-- and now, the only way to "save the planet" is to knuckle under to totalitarianism. To solve the problem that they intentionally created.
Ever notice that it was these 'elites' who made and sold these more profitable products to us. It's how they reached elitehood in most cases. Elite level hypocrisy I guess.
Smaller companies focusing on higher quality items and smaller farms growing lots of nutrient dense food would be great changes. Certain things formerly made in factories with mechanical parts can now be in small metal shops via 3D printers, a screwdriver, and a blow torch. The shop owner could make the parts, assemble and sell the vehicle or appliance locally. But the elitists can't allow an expansion of small businesses and lower poverty levels for everyone. They have to own it all and the few of us they allow to live. Without a miracle they'll have their way too.
Then imagine if the farmer could repair their own tractor.
https://nfu.org/2021/05/24/farmers-deserve-the-right-to-repair-their-tractors/
https://rnichols.substack.com/p/from-cyber-to-steam-punk
A worrying trend supporting what you point out is the increasing sales of small-medium businesses in Germany and Switzerland, for instance, to which the top buyer has been China. Quality has been plummeting for previously excellent companies like WMF (which I will mention after having to fight them over return of our last silverware set which totally rusted first run through the dishwasher: "we will send you a vial of rust-cleaning solution, and you polish it each time you take it out of the dishwasher.")
Legit questions.
But the answers ought not be imposed upon us from outside ourselves or to the detriment of us or our posterity.
Ultimately these problems are best answered by thoughtful reflection and by changes in one’s worldview, not by tyrannical, evil dictates from overlords.
I agree with you. There is nothing wrong with living with less, and quite frankly, is something that we should all strive to do. Your last sentence though hits the problem on the head -- the same people telling us we need to live with less and some industries need to disappear are the same people who fly on private jets, live in huge houses, etc. and in the process consume far more resources than us plebs do. Their hypocrisy drives me crazy.
Free Market competition would do a lot to facilitate that. Unfortunately the giant multi-nationals that the WEF supports despise the Free Market and buy politicians in order to subvert the Free Market. A big part of their Plandemic was to destroy their competitors, mainly SMEs.
That's probably what this is all about, just wrapped in pretty double-speak language to disguise it.
Funny then how most of these elites moaning about growth got rich by the very same thing they now condemn (and have no plan to give up either). The cost ALWAYS falls on others.
did these clowns not watch terminator? we are the enemy
They haven't seen much evidence of that for two years. I pray it appears soon.
FUN FACT: Skynet existed before Terminator!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_%28satellite%29