- Most important is to persuade them to WAIT a few weeks. This makes the job half done
- Mention your personal acquiaintainces who died or were hurt by vaccines
- Refer to Europe banning Moderna for young people
- Promote general skepticism of pharma industry as that "opens the door" to doubt
Also, general approach to persuasion is that it must involve ACTIVE LISTENING and empathy. The person you are trying to convince, must feel that they are listened to, valued and understood.
A common topic (coming from those who changed their minds, or changed minds of others) is to make the deciding person watch a video. Some suggestions to be compiled later.
Amazing response from a professional persuader LAWYERLisa (seatch for it): recognize the person type and act according to the type.
Recommend everyone to NOT use Google for "doing their own Covid research".
For the more closed minded people, ASK QUESTIONS rather than tell them how to think.
User MP was convinced by a family friend antivax doctor. If you know anyone who is a health professional, and is against vaccines, see if you can get them together.
Start seeding doubt with simple questions to try to kick start the critical thinking that has gone to sh1t the last several years...
- Have you read the 5-10 year impact study? (impossible, not out long enough)
- If an expert tells you a NEW product is 'safe and effective' with no long-term data to support that position, is that not a lie? (good time to bring up the European warnings/bans regarding Moderna)
- If an expert lies to you about long term impact, why do they deserve your trust without verification? How else may they be misleading you?
- What is the track record for these experts on related issues? On mask flip-flopping. On safe social distancing (5' vs 6'). On disinfecting groceries. On 'two-weeks' to slow. On restricting outdoor activity. On disinfecting outdoor furniture. On sitting/eating maskless being safe. On street-side tent restaurants being safe but not indoor restaurants. On lockdowns and school closures to prevent spread. On vaccines neutralizing covid. On vaccines stopping the spread of covid.
- Putting aside fear, anger, suspicion, and other emotions - have you done an honest risk assessment to compare the unknown risk of a novel treatment against the known risk of a negative outcome based on age and co-morbidities?
Very important -- if you do not have direct control over the person, do not forbid or command people. Make them make their own decision.
For those who are swayed by "majority", point out that the majority of Americans refused booster shots.
MY OWN TALKING POINT
-- Vaccines are hard. There NEVER was any successful vaccine against ANY coronavirus
-- There NEVER was a successful, safe, effective and approved mRNA application.
What makes you think that Covid vax would succeed?
I have not had any luck with talking about people who have been vax injured. Responses have been (1) All vaccines and drugs harm some people. We know none are 100% safe. (2) There is no way to prove causation. (3) If this were true, the government and doctors would not be pushing them. (4) VAERS data is not verified. Anyone can report.
Data or finding from other countries has also not worked for me. Many people think we have the best healthcare in the world and are the leaders, not the followers.
The only tactic that has worked for me is approaching this topic indirectly by discussing recent medical scandals pushed by our government. For example, what held my husband back from seeing this was his resistance to the idea that our government could be so corrupt. But he agreed to watch the movie series, Dopesick, about the opioid epidemic. Then he saw for himself just how corrupt the FDA is. After that, he was open to watching Vaxxed 1 and Vaxxed 2 with me. And now he is convinced about the vaccines. Prior to this, no amount of data or stories of injuries could convince him.
I won't wear a mask and have a bogus exemption.. I enjoy telling people who ask me to wear a mask that I damaged my heart after the booster shot and have trouble breathing now...
I love the look of shock on their faces! I have no idea whether or not this discourages them from taking more boosters. But it sure is fun fun fun!!!
I don’t wear a mask. I walked into a country grocery store near my house. They are mask Nazis. I walked in, grabbed some milk, went to the counter. As I did a woman said ‘you’ll have to wear a mask’. I said ‘a mask?! Why?’ ‘Because of COVID. ‘. ‘COVID? What is that?’ ‘COVID! We are in a pandemic.’ She’s mildly annoyed. But mildly confused. I have her explain to me what a pandemic is. Now she’s confused. I act confused. I ask how long this has been going on. She says, 18 months (this was last summer).’ My face brightens. ‘Oh! I’ve been in a coma for eighteen months! I just woke up a few days ago. I did notice when I left the hospital people had on masks. But I was pretty dozy. I thought that was normal. I have seen masks. So that’s what that is all about’. She is now happy. We are getting somewhere. She offers me a mask. ‘Nah’ I say, ‘I don’t wear masks’. While this has been going on I have been paying for my milk. The girl on the cash burst out laughing. The other woman was miffed.
I forgot to mention when I lived in Shanghai for a year -- was on a date - in Shanghai if you j-walk there are men with whistles who blow them very hard and try to force you to go to the cross walk...
I was J-walking and the guy starts blowing ... I feign deformity (dragging my lame leg behind me) and mental retardation (blabbering idiocy at the guy)...
He let us continue across the street... shortly afterwards he saw us walking completely normally ... and he had a nice laugh over that...
I ended up marrying the date and to this date she insists I was not feigning the mental retardation part
BTW - no offence to anyone who is mentally retarded... it's a bit step up from CovIDIOCY.
I would recommend John Abramson's book on Pharma or perhaps a podcast. He was on with Lex Fridman about 4 months ago and with Joe Rogan around the beginning of the year.
I should have also said to watch out for Abramson’s absurd case of cognitive dissonance. While he rails against pharma, and for good reason, he is a clot shot true believer. On Rogan the guy spent 2 hours dismantling the pharma cartel and then pivoted to “we must vaccinate Africa or they’ll all die from omicron”. It was and is stunning to behold.
There’s also the book/movie Dallas Buyer’s Club, based on the true story of Fauci refusing to approve cheap, effective repurposed drugs to AIDS patients, instead pushing useless, harmful drugs, and the patients banding together to get the drugs that worked.
I'm so sorry that your husband will not listen to you. May I ask if he has a scientific background? Talking about movies, there is another one on Hulu called "The Dropout". the true story of Elizabeth Holmes, CEO and founder of a company called Theranos. She was able to convince (scam) many famous, intelligent and powerful people into believing/investing in her and her vision for the future of blood testing. Eventually, they see the truth. One ruined his relationship with his grandson rather than accept the truth. The movie illustrated beautifully how difficult it is for people to come to grips with having been deceived.
That's too true, Beckie. I think Mark Twain wrote some witty aphorism along that line. Bamboozled is the funny-sounding, but apt word. Nobody ever, ever, ever wants to admit to being hoodwinked! Har har.
With his background, it would be very difficult to change his mind unless something he didn't expect happened to him to shake his faith in authority figures, not necessarily having to do with the vax.
I watched it with my husband and it was helpful to show him more inside her information about how corrupt big pharma is. It's a well acted drama so most people wouldn't have trouble sitting through it, but I appreciate it how informative it was as well.
I believe we selectively edit the data we let it to fit our existing world view. If your world is run by honest people who only want the best for you, well, some information will really mess with you head. Better not to let it in to begin with. Amazing you got through. Many of my loved ones are just not willing to look at anything that challenges their worldview. This is how I’ve come to understand it. None of these people are dumb or incapable of formulating questions. They just don’t want to. It’s because the questions ultimately raised are foundational.
Yes, that's been my conclusion as well. If your whole world view is based on trusting those in authority it's risking your security, your equilibrium to begin to let us in.
You're describing "cognitive dissonance" and it is a doozy... Just understanding the concept of cognitive dissonance and reading about it itself SHOULD be helpful to anyone...
After reading it for the first time in 2015 or so, I used to give out copies of Cialdini's "Influence," and yet it still took me a few months to start questioning the official COVID narrative.
In which case, back to Igor’s thread, it might be we take five irrefutable facts that disrupt the narrative and continually toss them out there. BC Gov stats that show 51% of people triple vaxed are 76% of COVID deaths. That one fact, straight from Stats BC, debunks the narrative.
I’m pretty sure the deprogrammers hammer away at the cognitive dissonance. Once one thing is admitted to be true, that is not part of the narrative, the narrative unwinds.
All this leftist nonsense has scraps of info tossed in our faces constantly that if looked at would demolish leftism. You have to actively disregard it to continue to be leftist.
I was caught up in a cult throughout my early 20s. The dissonance grew and grew until I couldn’t ignore it any longer. I left. After I noticed how my thinking was still biased by the erroneous words of the guru. Even a year later. I then read about cults. Which shocked me. After admitting I had been and still partly was in a cult I then taught myself how to think. I had a good brain always. But I did not know how to think. It took awhile. I got a lot better at it. A big part of learning was to learn to recognize dissonance early and confront it in myself. DON’T Rationalize away scrap bits of info. They aren’t necessarily untrue just because they are outliers. Any true fact is not really an ‘outlier’. It’s only an outlier to the narrative.
VERY helpful. That's very impressive that you were able to do that on your own. Have you considered writing about it for publication or developing some sort of program? I think your advice not to rationalize away scraps of info is very central. About a year before covid my family had a conflict that was not solvable, mainly because my daughter accepted a false narrative and was not able to see the situation objectively. At one point I pointed out to her something that one of us saw that contradicted her narrative. "What about that?" I asked her. "I don't care what X saw," she said, and dismissed any chance of reassessing the situation. About 50 yrs ago there was a desk sign that said, "My mind is made up. Don't confuse me with facts." Guess this existed back then too. Anyway, I think you could be a central part of helping us to change some minds if you put your mind to it! Thanks!
Last week I saw my primary care doctor. She’s a card-carrying vaxxer but acknowledged that she’s complete 3 VAERS reports out of 300 patients, ie 1%. When I mentioned that VAERS has over 1.3 mil Covid vax reports she said they were likely fake and made by bots. Simple math: 220 mil Americans have cotton Covid vax x 1% = 2.2 mil injuries at the rate that she herself has reported them. But of course, she said I’m partaking of tons of misinformation.cognitive dissonance is strong.
The doctors I know are tripling down. Because they couldn't possibly admit to themselves and others that they have literally killed people with vaccines and lack of proper treatment. And that it wasn't ever a real pandemic. So they continue with their FFP2 masks and boosters (themselves and their loved ones included). Just to make sure that everyone knows that we are still having a deadly pandemic and they were right all along.
With the exception of people like McCullough, Malone, Kory, Zalenko, etc I now have zero respect and trust in the medical profession.
My belief has always been that it won’t be so anecdotal or easy to ignore when everyone is 1 degree separated from vaccine injured. At some point the “data” won’t even matter. It will just be “oh all these people got sick or died after 2021” but when will they see it?
Hopefully not after they viscously scapegoat the un-jabbed and/or the seriously EUA injured first. But looking back historically, irrationally acting out aganist a polarized, perceived "enemy" seems to reliably be one of the last steps in the collective realization process.
I def considered dumping her but spoke to two good friends who are on our side of this debate and for various practical reasons they both suggested keeping her for now. It’s a tough compromise I’m making with myself to do so.
Agreed. My list of one-degree separated problem who’ve had a heart condition or stroke in the past 8 months is now up to 12 people. Vaccines were not considered as a cause for any of them
"A but VAERS isn't reliable, anyone can fill it in"
"I completely agree."
"Given the speed of Trump's warp speed vaccine and the fact it is being coerced into as many people as possible, don't you think we should have a reliable way of recording adverse reactions?"
Dopesick was a wonderful gift to the world this year. Agree that the first step is acknowledging/believing our government and medical system does not actually care about the people.
Regarding your comment that people will reply “(1) All vaccines and drugs harm some people. We know none are 100% safe.” Use percentages per 100,000 people. Some people will say “well of course all vaccines may harm a few and this vaccine has been given to billions so of course there’s going to be a lot of injury, but it’s still just a tiny percent.” So show the data per 100,000 people. So it’s apples to apples.
That is what is so crazy! You can not accept tens of thousands of injuries or deaths just bc billions have had it! That is so wrong! 25 out of 55 million in 1976 with swine flu vaccine and it was pulled. This fallacy that is in people’s heads is the problem. The general person does not think of this. Nor should they!! But the company, the FDA and CDC HAVE TO!!
Something that works with some people is seeing the weight of cases if they occur with people close to them. It's obviously no great consolation to finally realize it when you see friends and family getting really sick, maimed, or dying. But it seems to push people to the brink of breaking the spell. But yeah, I've heard those statements over and over. I saw some guy on the train, reading a journal article and telling his mom and dad a bunch of BS about vaccines. Literally his ONLY argument for a positive vaccine article over a negative one was that the guy who loved vaccines had a degree from a more prestigious university. As if that means anything at all when someone is 20 years deep in their career. Mind-blowing. Of course, the guy was about 25 years old, so he knows EVERYTHING.
Regarding VAERS: yes, anyone can report, but it is a chargeable offence to file a false report. And most reports are by medical folks, anyway. Despite its flaws, VAERS is the official adverse event database
So, we had a child and older adult in the family both clearly and directly injured by the vaccines. We uncovered the why of how it happened....and all the things the doctors did to ensure that it would happen....and continue to worsen etc...this was a complete dismissal of all effects and the medical guidelines (only passively enforced at best). After all the years and pointing out the obvious, after seeing it....they all got their covid shots. Even without trusting the government and the cutting of the red tape....none of it mattered in the end.
I wonder how may vax injured people are out there who are hiding in shame.... and because they don't want to discourage others from taking the Safe and Effective vaccines.
I've had a similar experience with my wife, although less successful. Reason isn't the primary motivator for many, and like you say, vaccine injuries or other data seem too abstract to get past their initial defence mechanism to have any effect. The more emotional, narrative based documentaries are a great deal more impactful.
Unfortunately, my wife has had 3 doses now. We live in Melbourne Australia, where vaccine mandates are still in force for most categories of employment. The social pressure combined with the threat of losing her job trumped all other considerations for her, she wasn't willing to take the risk of pushing back.
I am enjoying calling pharmacists telling them they injected my kid and have damaged his heart permanently.
Then I ask why we were not told this was a possible side effect.
One told me 'because we don't want to scare people off taking the vaccine'
It generally ends with me unleashing a tirade of hate on them then hanging up.
More recently I now inform them that I will send 'mystery people' into their shop and ask about the side effects - and record the answer secretly. So they better make sure they are offering proper informed consent cuz when they kill and maim others.. and do not inform them of the risks... we have this as evidence.
My employer recently tried to terminate my employment because I hadn't been vaccinated, and did a really sloppy job of it, so I sent a four page letter back detailing the international human rights articles they were breaching and the various laws they were breaking by pursuing that course. They backed off in a real hurry. It seems as though nothing motivates these people to do anything even close to the right thing like the threat of legal liability
This is why recording pharmacists and even nurses giving these injections is tremendously useful.
If you can get them telling you the only real side effect is a sore arm...ideally you push them a little 'is that all?' --- and record that conversation - you can then play it back for them then and there... and then read them the riot act.
You tell them that you are handing the recording to a lawyer -- and if they inject someone without providing proper informed consent going forward -- and someone is injured or dies - then we will reference this recording during the trial.
I got the pharmacist earlier today to state 'because we don't want them to be scared off of taking the vaccine' when I asked her why they did not inform my wife that permanent heart damage is a risk of the shot.
People need to get off their asses - and organize -- forget about marching around the f789ing block shouting Freedom!!! -- that is totally USELESS.
Get a group together in your city then do exactly what I am suggesting - and what I have done...
I guarantee you if enough people follow this lead the people working the death camps will be scared --- and they will provide informed consent.
Find a lawyer who is against the injections -- and ask if he/she is willing to create a form letter on their letterhead --- effectively saying -- we are in possession of a tape recording .... and indicating that if they fail to provide proper informed consent going forward this tape will be used in evidence in support of a law suit against you personally and your employer should you cause harm to anyone.
You can reuse the letter simply changing the name and address....
This may not stop most of the fools from getting injected -- but at least it may result in them getting proper information that there are very serious dangers associated with these injections ... and some may walk away.
It is a big deal when medical professionals acknowledge the vax injuries are real.
Agreed! Here, we had protests that put the entire city in gridlock for hours every weekend, media ignored it and government did exactly what they wanted anyway.
I know! Unfortunately, I think ours is the rarer mentality, maybe just the right amount of disagreeableness!? It also seems deference to authority plays a big role, my wife will go to "authoritative sources" like government agency websites or establishment media despite them not providing sources or back up any of their claims, etc. Whereas if the argument doesn't make sense or they've provided absolutely no evidence for their arguments, I don't care how authoritative the source, their claims aren't credible!
This may be too personal to share on a public forum, but have you had concerns being intimate with someone who’s gotten three jabs? (Due to shedding.) I’m single now and have been paralyzed in the dating world b/c I’m nervous being too close to people with recent shots.
Not an issue. My husband went around me to vac our son. I’m massively hurt. He wants a divorce. So no intimacy post jab here. Not interested. And even if I were, no. I would not do that with a three jab wonder. Nope.
You know that saying 'she's so hot I'd let her give me AIDS'....
That sort of applies... is she hot enough to risk myocarditis for... if so I'd recommend mitigating with a condom. And kiss her on the neck... no swapping of fluids.
Yes, I feel very lucky. Most of my family is very argumentative and angry if I bring this up. They don't realize what is at stake for themselves and society at large. IMO, this is an existential crisis unlike any the world has seen. And in their mind, I have fallen prey to conspiratorial right-wing politics. Having my husband believe in this has made a world of difference. I hope your husband will begin to see the truth. I can only imagine how hard this is for you.
This comment perfectly describes my experience within my large family (7 adult kids plus 4 daughter in laws)
My husband has come around thank God and has been a tremendous support. But my kids are just sick of hearing me discuss both the dangerous risk in taking the vaccine and societal and medical tyranny that is taking place (I am an RN and was fired in January and have moderate/conservative political views) The one thing that has really started opening eyes is discussing the risk of Covid for my grandchildren. All have had it and hardly had any symptoms. Right now none will be getting the jab (thank God). I preempted these discussions about the grand babies with stating “we all want to keep them safe and healthy so we all have the same goal in mind ultimately “ that really helped soften the debate.
My brother-in-law got the jab after his kids started doing the whole "we might not visit any more" coercion. Seemed totally reasonable considering he had recently had a HEART ATTACK. Might as well just stab him and be done with it. Fortunately, he has some decent genetics, because he's still kicking.
Same situation; nurse; adult kids. Wrote a love letter in April of 21, when the fraud was apparent to me and I realized they were coming for the babies. No one cares to hear the views of a public health nurse- mother. No one believed what I wrote nor interacted w/it. I do think that though we might not have a ‘hearing’ re: the first generation down, nurses might be able to influence things for the babies. If there are nurses here in Chicago, Igor’s in Chicago, right? We should do a meet- up.
I think anyone with a brain can see that young children did fine fighting Covid ad it would help if doctors promoted and discussed natural immunity. My doctor didn’t know what to think about covid and natural immunity and was pushing the shots.. I haven’t been back in over two years
I'm not jabbed and I got COVID but it was a run of the mill moderate to mild cold/flu like experience for me. Definitely nothing worth getting a series of mRNA lipid nanoparticles injections for
I am happy for you that you saved your husband's life. He will likely have a normal lifespan thanks to your caring. My wife didn't heed my warnings and took it. The in-laws gave me the "You are just a right-wing conspiracy nut" spiel, also. Weirdly, they often invoked Trump's name as a reason for taking the shot, even though he was always pro-jab. The strange logic is this: "Reeeee! Orange Man Bad. Me hate Orange Man. Right wingnuts conspiracy theorists say vaccine bad. They must want to kill me. So Trump must be trying to kill me. So, I will take the shot to spite Drumpf and the reactionary liars!"
People who take the time to research at all are not thanking Trump for this debacle. It was his worst achievement and I hope he’s starting to realize it.
I don’t blame him. I’m assuming he thought ‘whatever...let’s get a vax out for it’ and assumed it would be like a normal flu vax. IE useless, but not super harmful. I certainly didn’t think they would implement a depopulation purge.
Trump has a lot to do with my family's reaction as well. They hate Trump, but seem to forget he was the one of the main pushers for Warp Speed. I am sure if he were president today not a single one of my D friends and family would have gotten jabbed as they could not deny association.
The same thing happened when I mention hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin. My D friends associate both with drinking bleach and Trump, while showing zero skepticism about FDA-approved drugs like remdesivir. And all of my D friends -- all of them -- highly educated, intelligent, and caring people. Simply astounding to witness.
The media really did an excellent job in confounding safe treatments with Trump -- but not the jab he was actually responsible for pushing. It makes me wonder what other nonsensical things they can get the intelligent sheep to believe.
I spotted the lies Fauci told from the start, but I'm the right wing nutter in my extended family. They can't connect the still births, infertility, heart failure, drop deads unexpectantly in the family to the vaccine. It's so weird that they can't see it.
I am so sorry, Katrina. There are so few people I can talk to in real life about this, which is why substack has been a God-send and keeps me somewhat sane. I am in search of new friends myself. One group that I just discovered last year is the Weston Price Foundation. I don't agree 100% with everything, but I have been to a local chapter meeting and it was so refreshing to meet people in real life who share my concerns. I also find their information on nutrition helpful and eye-opening. https://secure.westonaprice.org/cvweb_weston/cgi-bin/utilities.dll/openpage?wrp=chapter_dir.htm
I'm with you both! So few people to talk to. I told my daughter I didn't trust big pharma as they were repeat offender felons, having paid out billions in fines. Daughter: you're psychotic! Okay then! What else is there to say? I love W.A. Price Foundation! I'm all about clean and healthy. I just emailed a local group. It would be nice to be with like-minded people. I don't know where you live, but in the Northeast you can get direct from farm delivery of ultra-organic amazing foods from Amish in PA. myrealfoods.com/meadowridgefarm
and that is the cruelest thing that the evil (knowingly) vaccine pushers are doing to all of us. Destroying precious relationships over lies. Betrayal by those whom we have been told to trust (experts).... you are trying to save your loved ones, and they think you are crazy and push themselves away from you. All based on lies.
Maybe one day they will learn the truth, and how heartbreaking, especially if by then it is "too late."
It's rough. My FIL whose over 90 has had 3 jabs and got 50% heart failure after his booster. I recommended he not get any more, and he went off on me. Most of these people can't be helped.
I was raised by skeptical parents. They are especially skeptical of the government. They tend to vote for different parties, which maybe helps with the skepticism.
Probably because of that, I am always blown away that anyone trusts politicians and bureaucrats at all. The idea that they care about "the people" more than themselves is silly and naive. But after the last 30 months or so, it's shocking.
Also raised by skeptical parents - well one of them was anyway. That was enough to get me thinking more when I was pregnant with my first and did some research and oh boy what I found. This was before people shouted “oh what are you Dr Google” and whatever else they try to smear people with to make their research seem not worthwhile. Our government has been harming us for a long time indirectly, but it’s just moving to direct harm now.
I like to tell the nutjobs that question internet research that all the top doctors and virologists have begun doing mass mailouts because it's way more efficient than the internet...
Dr Google?, I dare someone to actually find accurate vaccine info on Google! You have to know what sites to go to or go pages deep before you might find something. So if people don’t know this and are researching they see nothing but how great vaccines are. It’s crazy!
Exactly, I used to think it was crazy that my grandparents never used banks but I thank God for the skepticism I was raised with. There is value in listening to refugees from communist countries. So many have been at events we've attended literally crying that they're witnessing history repeating itself.
You had great parents. It’s critical to question everything but it’s a stretch to have everything questioned at the same time. There are so many moving parts… politicians and world governments the WHO, WEF, mainstream media, FDA, CDC, Big Pharm all working in concern. There are so many puzzle pieces and the lie is so big it hard to believe.
Ask him why he thinks that the tobacco industry fought tooth and nail to hide the fact that smoking causes cancer?
Ask him why he thinks the tobacco industry paid Doctors to promote smoking?
Ask him why he thinks Doctors agreed to promote smoking (for fat wads of cash)?
Ask him why he thinks all the experts thought asbestos was perfectly safe until they all suddenly agreed it was terribly dangerous and needed to be stripped out ASAP?
Ask him why all the experts thought putting lead in paint, petrol and in children's toys was perfectly safe until they all decided it wasn't?
Ask him why the experts told us that the original nuclear power stations where inherently safe because of their numerous safety systems, were the experts right?
Ask him why the makers of the weedkiller glyphosate have finally admitted that their product causes cancer and have offered to setlle the lawsuits against it for $10bn?
Ask him why despite the admission that this product causes cancer it is still used in agriculture and still for sale in the high street?
Ask him why the experts at Merck lied that their drug Vioxx was safe when they knew it caused heart attacks?
Ask him to look into all the criminal and civil penalties Pfizer have had to pay.
Pfizer set a record for the largest fine paid for a health care fraud lawsuit filed by the U.S. Department of Justice. Pfizer paid $2.3 billion in fines, penalties, and settlement for illegal marketing claims.
Ask him why anyone should trust a comapny pushing out a 'warp speed' vaccine made by a pharmacompany with criminal convictions including illegal marketing claims (lying about safety and efficacy) when that company has a free pass regarding any injuries their 'warp speed' product produces.
The answer to all these questions is that the experts regularly get things wrong/lie.
Also that the large corporations are very often corrupt and will happily knowingly kill people if it earns them a profit.
And also ask if they remember the H1N1 Swine Flu in 2009 which scared the daylights out of the public only to be exposed as a giant scam to produce massive vaccine profits.
One of those vaccines, Pandemrix, resulted in the permanent disablement of >1000 EU children. It created an autommunity in children mostly of a particular genetic allele to self-destroy a part of their own brains, leading to permanent narcolepsy/cataplexy. It took 6 weeks to 9 months to manifest, and far longer to attribute to the vaccine. As such I have an automatic "no rushed vaccines in a pandemic" status - watching for 2 years, but there was so much more wrong with these genetic inventions that it was a "never" status.
Madeleine - I remember the way the swine flu story was all over the place and then it faded just as quickly as it rose. Sharyl Attkisson of CBS at the time broke the expose of the hoax but it never appeared on the TV news (only made it on the network website). When Covid hit the scene I expected it to be a similar nothing burger but I guess I’m naive to how easy it is to scare people when the media remains one sided and dishonest.
BtW I took a look at your Substack page and look forward to reading your posts. I signed up.
I doubt most people are aware of this information because we rely on mainstream media to do the digging for us and they have shown they lie by omission.
This response is exactly the script needed to wake people up from their delusion. Some are so committed to the narrative they get angry if you just ask them to look at opinions other than the mainstream narrative.
Ask him why they are still pushing it when the CDC's own website, VAERS, shows over 1 million injuries and over 28,000 vaccine deaths. Harvard says this site is underreported by as much as 99%!
The evidence that shows that 'the experts' are routinely wrong in just about every field of study imaginable is overwhelming and the evidence to show that pharma is murderously corrupt is undeniable.
Del Bigtree interviewed Desmond Matthias last week on his show "The Highwire." It's an interview well worth watching that explains why people aren't listening to reason. It's more of a operating in the head problem, instead of the heart, than it is an actual psychological problem.
I had the same issue with my husband who died on Feb 13, 2022. His lungs were scarred and his kidneys were shutting down. He had a Moderna booster after two Pfizer’s on Dec 29, 2021. He went to the hospital in early February and was sent home. He was admitted six days later and immediately diagnosed with pneumonia I had a Moderna shot in March 2021. A few weeks later I noticed a blotchy rash on my lower left leg, the side of the vax. A short while after that I had a very thick, clotty nosebleed from the left nostril. Any cautions I tried to bring to the discussion were mostly shut down or ignored. I take Vit D, Zinc, vitamin C, Quercetin, aspirin etc and hope for the best, but the lower leg rash persists.
My husband had the Moderna shot and had a terrible reaction. He had difficulty with his breathing which he attributed solely to having had Covid in 2020. He had so much difficulty breathing he went to hospital. This is a man who never goes to the doctor. He then took the Pfizer shot. Still has problems breathing but is not willing to consider the shots with toxic spike protein that is produced by the body for 60+days could have caused the issue or contributed to more damage in his lungs. The Mass Formation is unbelievable.
I'm so sorry to hear your story. My heart goes out to you. One of my friends who's a pharmacist at BI Deaconess hospital in Boston thought that I was crazy not to want the shots. She stopped talking to me for about a year, but recently stopped by my house to tell me that after her third shot, she got a rash and swelling in her leg that will not go away. Then she got COVID on top of that. She says her immune system hasn't been the same since, and she's now spending a fortune trying to get treatment from a Chinese herbalist. Her husband did okay with his first two shots, but after his booster, got vertigo so bad he had to crawl through his own house for a few weeks. He can walk now, but still gets vertigo everyday. After all that he also got diagnosed with COVID and was sick for a while. I've been writing to my elected officials since the shutdowns began, first about loss of liberty and individual freedoms, and then my concerns over the warp speed injections. I was afraid at the beginning, but was also suspicious about the way it's been handled, and remain suspicious to this day.
That’s encouraging. My best friend of decades same thing - accused me of being a naive conspiracy theorist and stopped talking to me because I wouldn’t get vaccinated. Very sad. Does your friend recognize the connection with the vaccines? I find it astonishing that loved ones can be dealing with chronic unusual ailments or even death and still fail to see the connection.
Yes she is aware of the vaccine injury both she and her husband have both suffered. We had a good talk, and both expressed that we feel like we're in a spiritual war with evil.
Maybe. The doctor said they tried everything. We were not able to visit until the end was inevitable. He had chronic leukaemia but doc said it was not a factor. Strange times.
Ennis, sorry about your husband. That's terrible. Can you tell us, has your regimen of supplements helped to control your other symptoms? My wife also took the Moderna, and I am thinking that a Z-Stack protocol, like yours, might be a good prophylaxis.
Thank you, Angelique. That website is very helpful as it has a list of suggested medicines that can help people who took the C19 injections. One interesting suggestion was fasting. That, too, can be beneficial.
I was following Dr Campbell and he very early on recommended Vitamin D. I was impressed with the interview he had with Tess Lawrie and the use of ivermectin but it was not available in Canada and was categorized as horse dewormer. We are/were retired so lived a quiet life and thought we had it beat. I was more invested in supplements than my husband but he took Vitamin D. I saw no reason to have a booster as we were not planning to travel. I had no plan for a second shot and was aware that the Moderna was stronger 100 vs 30. How does this factor in? People are different sizes and have different immune systems. Dr Campbell talked about aspiration. Does the shot going into the blood stream rather than the muscle lead to a worse outcome. I do Vitamin D drops and started before Covid. Just been paying attention to alternatives and hope for the best. I believe that that last Moderna induced what ultimately became pneumonia. We were walking and living normally up until the third week of January.I think it is a crying shame that alternatives were not considered.
Find an FLCCC primary care doc, if you can. I have one, concierge plan. The docs discuss, all the time, what helps. Mine got a bedridden vax-injured back to work.
Me neither. Growing up, I never heard of a single food allergy among family, friends or kids at school. Hundreds of us kids at school ate whatever was put in front of us at lunchtime. I was in my 30s before I met someone, an American woman, who claimed to have a food allergy. She claimed to be allergic to peaches unless they were cooked. (?!) I guess there are many factors causing autoimmune illness & allergies.
I'd never given a thought to vaccines really before all this but I suspect now that the dozens of shots given to children are harming their immune systems.
It’s pretty bizarre and unbelievable. I was just thinking this last night while I was walking my dog. The agenda is so diabolical the people cannot believe it’s true. I knew it was true after I watched Plandemic The Documentary, May 2020.
I know a really good surgeon who just moved to his farm instead of being force-jabbed. I mean, he could open a small office and do less heroic surgeries, ones that do not need a big hospital... but he just quit.
All those doctors who advised patients to jab when the docs had not read the clinical trial data, cuz Pfizer asked the FDA to keep it hidden for 75 years. All those docs who said 'it will stay in the deltoid', when there was zero evidence for that. There is no rehabilitating them. They all broke their oath. They should mass burn their diplomas.
My husband is a nurse and says it was Trumps greatest achievement and references me as “ not believing in the vaccine.” Some people seem to have to learn the hard way. It’s sad to see.
Katrina, you responded to me twice. But I can’t find those posts. You want the charts? Is that the donut chart showing the deaths in unvaxed and vaxed? And also I’m in Victoria.
For some reason I can’t see a way to attach something. Someone said click the three dots. But doing that doesn’t work on my feed. If you want me to send you the donut charts send me an email. I’m wstevencox@gmail.com. (William is my first name, but I’ve always gone by Steve.)
I think sharing recent data (from Walgreens or otherwise) showing vaccination actually makes it *more likely* to get infected with current variants would also be effegtive.
So my advise is always not go into that. The "we did not know" but "it turns out for some groups it is less safe than we thought", and mention young males. Then explain 1 in 5000 gets myocarditis, even if it is mild that means mild heart scaring. So "just as we now know it does not protect against getting/spreading" we now know "for some people it is a bit less safe than we thought". You could add Moderna is for that reason not advised for younger people in various EU countries. Goal, try to get them to see the risk is real and bigger than "we thought".
My point, don't attack the big picture! Trying to collapse the world view at once will lead to you being rejected. Get to the "we really thought it was safe/effective, but we now know it is a bit more complicated" first. Then you can slowly introduce more problematic facts.
The first goal is getting them onto the right side.
Wow, you’re technique is extremely patient and caring. I was trying something similar until those morons started passing laws barring us from society and not a single one of my old friends or family members was bothered to even have a rational discussion with me at that time. Then I gave up on patience and empathy and basically decided, “If you don’t want me in society then you won’t be hearing from me again.” Many broken relationships in my world in the past year.
Thanks, but I certainly have a number of destroyed, or “only talk about the weather” relationships now as well. For me, I’m trying to be forgiving for those who were brainwashed but for those who aggressively supported vax mandates with scathingly ignorant rants on social media, they’re essentially dead to me.
"Then explain 1 in 5000 gets myocarditis" - only 1 in 5,000? I'm sure it's much higher than that. ! in 5000 doesn't sound nearly scary enough to get people's attention surely?
I put together a white paper showing data from UK Surveillance, Ontario, Placer County CA and Walgreens to show my doctor (who requires masks only on unvaccinated) that the vaxxed are bigger spreaders. She said she’d read it but this far no response.
I also put together two emails using Walgreens and UK Surveillance and was demonized for attacking the owner of a pottery studio I was trying to rejoin. The cognitive dissonance is stunning.
I did something yesterday and today that has, I think, worked a bit. The B.C. Gov has put out a chart for April that shows five donut charts. Percent vaxed. Cases. Hospitalizations. Critical care. Deaths. Each donut chart shows unvaxed, 1 shot, 2 shots, 3 shots. The percent of unvaxed in the general population is 14%. Triple vaxed as of April 2022 was 51%. The interesting chart is deaths. Unvaxed deaths 7%. But the worst is triple vaxed at 76%! If a triple vaxed gets COVID he is 3x more likely to die of COVID as is an unvaxed person. I told that to two people. It freaked them out. I said ‘if you and I get COVID you are 3x more likely to die than I am.’ Their whole rationale was to NOT die. I have had so many old boomers say ‘I want to be alive so I can have watch my grandkids grow up.’ I say ‘I know you want to watch your grandkids grow up. Each shot lessens that possibility.’
I know lots of non elderly triple jabbbed. 51% of B.C. is triple jabbed. The elderly might be 15% of that. However one could make the argument this is normal
Elderly dying. But that isn’t the case. These are COVID deaths. Not all cause mortality deaths. If the jab worked their COVID deaths would be near zero.
I try to plant seeds by talking about it indirectly. Like I will ask if they have seen the movie The Dallas Buyers Club. If they have, then we can discuss the morally corrupt government bureaucrats in the movie. Then mention that the bureaucrat running everything back then was Dr. Fauci.
Just FYI, they did careful message research to find the most effective manipulative messaging possible, using social psychology and testing messages with small groups. “We’re all in it together”, “Don’t kill grandma”, “Safe and effective”, “your mask protects me” etc. All planned, all tested, all deployed to use normal social relationships- peer pressure, trusted authorities, majoritarian thinking, desire to belong, group identity- to drive compliance and mass vaccinations. All planned, all tested, all disseminated in a carefully coordinated message campaign...We shouldn’t malign honest people who are trusting and want to do the right thing, but save our condemnation for those who consciously plan to abuse public trust and goodwill.
Psy-ops against its own citizens. Western GOV now tortures and persecutes its own peoples with the sycophantic chant of the MSM.
Take New Zealand, Australia and Canada, straitjacketed basket cases run by politicised murdering dull witted, rainbow tinted criminals marching to the droning drum beat of WEF control and destitution.
None of this could’ve happened without the complicit mainstream media, including and especially, the New York Times! A favorite of the pseudo intellectuals, imho. By the way, this is not the first time they do this. They’re guilty of this when Stalin starved 5 million people. They played it down!
Good point! Another strategy I use is to bring up something I heard during a senate hearing or confirmation. My legacy media friends enviably are surprised, responding they never heard that. I pass on a link showing the conversation or interaction. It plants a seed.
Mainstream media is strangling in conflicts of interest.
Jim Smith, whose bio includes : President and Chief Executive Officer of Thomson Reuters, a provider of intelligent information for businesses and professionals from 2012 through March 2020, and its Chief Operating Officer from September 2011 to December 2011, and Chief Executive Officer, Thomson Reuters Professional Division, from 2008 to 2011.
Oh and he's also on the Board of Pfizer! So qualified!
I don't think they are people like you and me. They are psychopaths. They do not have a conscience. They have no part of them that would feel bad or guilty if they hurt someone. People think all the psychopaths are the psychopathic killers locked up in jails. The only difference between those in prison and these "people" is psychopaths in prison don't mind getting their hands dirty while Fausti and ilk are more fastidious and find more "creative" ways to do the killing. I think it's very hard for most people to think that there are actually people like this.
No but you’re nobody to them. Just some stats on a page. Power means never having to admit a mistake. For those not at the top, it’s go along to get along.
The CEO of the NYT was the former DG of the BBC, an Englishman, Mark Thompson. Elite WEF Rainbow corporate globalists just everywhere at the moment, most notably in media.
I started to realize about four years ago that mainstream media was often lying, mostly through omission of relevant details that could/would negate their one-sided argument on any given issue. At the time I predicted that eventually many of my relationships would fracture if my friends didn’t have the same revelation I had. Unfortunately that prediction proved true.
The first thing that made me against COVD vaccines was an article posted by the Salk institute that the Spike protein was an agent of disease that could effect the heart, brain, lungs, and other vascular tissue.
That did it for me too. It's amazing to me that most people, including my ob-gyn, don't know about this and they certainly don't want to hear about it. My husband got the first two Pfizer shots in Jan/Feb 2021 against my wishes, but I've been going on and on about the spike protein since then and so far he hasn't gotten any boosters.
Also we, and just about everyone we know (all vaccinated but me), got Covid last month. I asked him, "do people still actually think the shots work?" I mean, seriously, how can they? I think it was Alex Berenson who said something like, "if the shots work, why aren't they working?"
I’ve lost my brother’s relationship because of this vaccine controversy as well as some acquaintances. It’s so sad! My friends son works for politico and hasn’t seen his parents for almost 3 years. Another friends has had disagreements with her children Bc of these shots and politics! Horrible! The politico son has worn 2 masks and was so angry his parents didn’t get the shots!
Not sure you understand my comment or context. I was suggesting the decision to not be vaccinated was possibly preventing the subjects in question from harm. I absolutely have read VAERS and done much research as I was hurt by 2 non Covid shots., and agree the shots and coercion around them are violations of Nuremberg.
My friends son was super angry at his parents for not being vaxed. Every conversation began with it. His GF now has chronic bleeding and other menstrual issues. He had a sudden attack of pancreatitis four days after a jab. They both feel awful 24/7. And this has been going on for months. They are both agreeing the jab caused it all. They aren’t fully red pilled, but they don’t push the vax any more.
He lives across the street and down five houses. The woman across the street, super fit distance runner has myocarditis. Says it’s ‘Long COVID’ even though she’s triple vaxed. She won’t accept it’s the jab.
Thank goodness my 72 year old husband is against drugs and these shots, with his negativity, my holistic practitioners and 2 friends and research, I didn’t get these shots. I got Covid this past end of January into February (got it from our son )but got thru it with ivermectin, vitamins and holistic practitioners’ support. My immune system is good as I was a teacher for many years!
True enough, K. Lee. But Alex was wrong for a specific reason. The shots ARE working exactly as intended. Best wishes to your husband. My wife is in the same boat, and I hate the constant back-of-the-mind worry for her long-term safety.
Best wishes to your wife too, Jeffrey. I looked up my husband's lots and they were both among the bad ones. He had zero immediate side effects, fortunately. Maybe they didn't mix the vial very well and he'll be lucky.
Is anyone else having trouble opening this?? Is it me or my suspicious mind- but I seem to be having more trouble connecting to the internet or certain sites these days?
I’m almost 100% convinced that my internet service provider somehow restricts access to certain sites. Yes, there are certain sites that seem slow to load or refresh so frequently that they are impossible to load.
I am sorry. I don’t understand how hiding my location from my internet provider will keep them from restricting what sites show up in my searches (yep, already use Duck Duck Go). But maybe I don’t understand enough about VPNs.
Getting a VPN is on my list of things to do this summer.
People will focus on “not like the spike protein safely encoded in vaccines.” I’d be worried to show this because the true believers think the vaccine stays in the arm.
You could give them a little bit to read on anything 'nano' - nano stuff is small enough to go anywhere and everywhere. I couldn't believe they were injecting nano LNP that could transfect cells, directly into people - insane or murderous.
This editorial insertion disturbed me. It’s not in the paper, and where is the proof? See what’s added in parentheses:
“Now, a major new study shows that the virus spike proteins (which behave very differently than those safely encoded by vaccines) also play a key role in the disease itself.”
“They” (lol) have been saying the spike proteins in the Shots are different, but they don’t say different worse. I guess “they ain’t lying!” Except of course by omission. I just want to know how many doctors know about this crap and still tell you to get the shots. The doctor I left told me it was safe when all the time I knew it wasn’t. Did she know? Is she stupid or sold? Either way, I figure I don’t need that kind of doc.
It is different, in that it used artificial substitutions to make it more stable, which has the effect of making it more persistent in the body, and more resistant to breakdown and removal. So, it might be 'safely encoded' in a stability sense, but it's not safe in circulation.
It keeps on replicating with no off-switch in place. A synthetic viral replicator. Does anyone think that sounds good? That is a 'good doctor''s quote by the way, can't remember who, maybe Dr Ryan Cole.
This article is the one that made me think "wow, now I have the evidence that the vax is not safe". But when I tried to use the same article to convince others not to take it, it didn't work. I think the main reason/difference is that my judgement was based on analysis and logic, while most others decide by listening to authority (CDC/Fauci) or following peers.
Fear? A lot of women really like doctors. They show off by saying they went to a specialist. They like discussing their doctors visits. "MY pediatrician says"...
Specialists show how wealthy and important they are, I guess.
You wanna see a woman's face fall? Reply "I don't have a pediatrician; the kids are never sick."
Well, Jean, I think Steve Kirsch wrote a substack a couple months ago referencing the Asch psychological experiments that showed that something like 62% of people immediately surrender to peer pressure. That is probably close to the percentage of our Nation that took the jabs.
Once it went 'mandated' it was the threat of losing the ability to have a roof over one's head and food in the tum-tums of kiddos. That's when it went beyond choice for some people.
Actually I also had a mandate from workplace (for two shots and a booster). In my workplace there was increasing pressure built up through the summer for the vax and the mandate was official in November. At that time I was ready to fight and have prepared myself to the possibility that I may lose my job over this. I did my research and I used a religious exemption. Jeff Childers wrote in his Coffee & Covid substack an excellent article on how to use religious exemption for the mandate.
My religious exemption went through -- I need to admit that it is not easy to find a replacement for my position, and I have savings and skills. I can imagine other ways of making money for the family. So other people may not have the same luxury and luck as I had. While I personally don't blame people for choosing the jab to save their job, I need to say it is not a wise decision to take the jab to just keep the job. Let's analyze it.
1. you may be injured by the jab, and then you will also lose the job and the ability to take any other jobs.
2. even if the jab is harmless, say saline, it is utterly wrong that employer or the government can force a shot on you. If this is allowed, what kind of freedom do we still have? nothing!
3. the only way for the mandate to go away, is simply that people do not comply. It is just that easy.
Recall the southwest airline dropped the mandate since many people simply didn't take the jab? New York state dropped the booster mandate on medical staff half an hour before the deadline -- again, simply because too many people were ready to walk away over the shot. University of Chicago forced a mandate for all students and faculty, except faculty and medical staff in UC hospital. Why? because the doctors threatened to leave if there is a mandate.
It is pathetic and heart breaking that in many occasions people who were against the vax were not able to organize themselves to fight the mandate -- thanks to the censorship and brainwashing of the mainstream media. I hope after all these, more people can wake up and see through this huge clown show.
The last thing I want to say is regarding the college students. Vax mandate is still there as we speak, for a majority of universities, many including the mandate for a booster. (ps, now the second booster is out, are the universities going to mandate another booster? such a joke). And I just couldn't figure this out. Parents pay a huge amount of money (could be 80K a year for some private colleges) for the college to mandate their child for this harmful shot? It is different from the jab or job case where you take the jab to get paid, and here you take the jab in order to pay them. It simply makes no sense!
Well I do understand that there is a huge sink cost for these college kids and their parents. And for some elite colleges that are hard to get in, there are hundreds of thousands of other kids who are ready to take the jab (or have already taken the jab) and want that slot. And, they may say, many others have taken the jab and they are OK (i.e., not dropping dead yet).
But now we do hear stories such as college athletes dropping dead on the field, or in their sleep. Are people awake now?
Basically as of today I realize that how terrible the education system has become and I am horrified by the damages the education system has done to our younger generation. College kids are supposed to be one of the most rebellious groups of the society. But no, they are apparently the most obedient group and have terribly failed this real world test on intelligence and courage. And ironically, the most prestigious universities, the ones that are supposed to be full of smart kids and are proud of educating the future "leaders", have scored the worst. I have seen protests to the vax mandate in many state colleges but not a single one in the Ivy leagues. Ha. For example, Princeton university, often ranked as the best college in the US, force three doses for all students and faculty, mandate mask all the time, two covid tests per week for everyone (three tests for unvaxxed), and forbid students from leaving the county. You tell me, isn't this a prison? And you would wonder that students must protest this absurd policy like hell, right? No. No one questioned the vax mandate. The only thing I find is an article on student newspaper that plead the university to drop the covid test for asymptomatic ones. Coward. And pathetic. (ps, Princeton has invited Fauci for the graduation ceremony this year). No wonder.
I hope more people can see how deep the trouble we are in now. Only when people realize the problem can we possibly start to fix it.
I home schooled my daughter when it wasn't 'cool' in the 80s and 90s. I think a lot of parents are waking up and realizing the 'school system' is a hot mess. The 'medical community' is a hot mess. All of it has been infiltrated by humanity destroyers but those same a-holes woke some of us up enough to see that our trust was blind. NEVER AGAIN.
Agreed! Did you see that 10,000 flights were canceled last weekend?! Something like 30% of flight crews said NO to the jabs and got fired. Now Pete the Transportation Secretary thinks he can order Airlines to hire workers. Let's see, I can return to work and fly the plane, but I have to risk a life-threatening shot to do so, or I can stay home and wait this one out....Dear Leader Brandon and his DC Flight Crew are finding out pilots don't grow on trees!
The mandate and coercion told me EVERYTHING I needed to know about the safely (lack thereof) of the shot. And it told me everything I needed to know about the larger plan and the motive. Nothing benign has to be forced. Everything malignant needs to be forced. That’s my credo and it has served me well.
That is exactly to the syllable my reaction too. It has served us well for the time being. Not much fun watching the 'walking dead' disappear tho'. I noticed years back that the film industry kept presaging the worst developments of the future—they know a thing or two from cabal grape-vine droppings ... The Terminator now in our sights and still Mad Max to go! 😎
Since I was a teenager watching those movies for the first time, I KNEW that a dystopian future (or at least a determined attempt at one) was inevitable. It’s human nature that power corrupts, and begets more desire for more power. I’ve been on high alert ever since!
When I fully realized that vaccines had become 'faith based' pants on fire science, I was pretty much like, "You're not gonna Monsanto my tuckus".
The vile scourgey, ickers, nasty, barfy evil scum behind this can fire up their 5g and microwave their own scorched 'global climate change' earth barely cognizant brain cells. Eff 'em. Eff 'em all.
The self-inflicted wound of gullibility shouldn't have to be a Turing test or an I.Q. task master but here we are...swimming with stupid. It's tiresome to a certain point. You want to be a good person but after enough EVIDENCE and the derpers are still derping...you're like, "FINE! Jump off the cliff, dumbass!"
Just read the first paragraph of the article where it says, " Now, a major new study shows that the virus spike proteins (which behave very differently than those safely encoded by vaccines)" That would be enough for a "believer" to close their minds.
Yeah I referred to this too. Infuriating because there is actually no evidence of “safely encoded” spike proteins. Totally gratuitous and most likely incorrect.
Smart mamma! You are vaccine educated and informed. How did you first learn about natural health?
I have not had a shot since childhood so probably 1965 before I started grade school. I learned of the dangers of childhood vaccines after the birth of my second daughter, 30 years ago.
Never crossed my mind either. I knew the quackcines were the endgame and a means to controlling the masses through vaccine passports and credit systems like the Chinese utilize!
Let's thank our lucky stars that the ferrets were not lemmings. Because if they were, they might watch the MSM and all run out to take some experimental spike protein jabs. Oh, wait a minute...
Yes. You sum up the situation nicely, including the part about not being as questioning re other historical vaccinations but now knowing they are also bad.
I have to put myself in the “knew it wasn’t possible to develop a new v so fast” plus “they’ve been trying to vaccinate against common cold for forty years without success so how do they think they can do it now” camp. Early on, I had NO IDEA that these things would be so devastatingly harmful or deadly.
I would not have gone looking for “ferret studies” except for hearing about them in summer/fall 2020 from Dr Lee Merritt. She was the first reasonable sounding, not tin foil hat sounding person that I heard speaking about all of this.
Not that she was the first to speak. Just the first one *I* heard.
And, clearly, the tin foil hat people have, unfortunately, been proven right after all anyway.
That's where I learned what could possibly go wrong with their wonderful new invention. This is the worst possible scenario: nerds with big financial backing.
I conduct leadership development workshops for mid-career physicians. In January of 2021, I was leading a workshop with 12 physicians and we were having the “must we conduct this workshop all wearing masks?” discussion. They were all Vaxxed and I had just had a negative test (and we had a humidifier and two HEPA air filters running in the room.) one of the internal medicine docs was adamant that masks should be required as the “vaccine doesn’t prevent infection.” (Mask effectiveness is a whole different issue.) All of the other docs in the room questioned her. She cited the exact verbiage in the EUA and suggested we all go read it, which I did. The EUA documents were very clear that the vaxx did not prevent transmission, yet every public health official, politician, and bureaucrat was claiming it did. Right then, I decided that if they would lie about “effectiveness” they would also lie about “safety.” I’ve never taken the shots and never will. Regarding being able to convince others... I’ve learned that it is easier to fool someone than to convince them they have been fooled. Even telling them the story about what I learned from a physician in that workshop doesn’t work. They just look at me with a vacant state. What I am saying doesn’t compute for them. My current tactic, that has some success, is to ask questions, using the Socratic method, being extremely careful to control my tone of voice. I try to make the question sound like I am truly confused and am sincerely asking if they can help my confusion. Even this has limited success.
It is truly strange how the vaxxed--usually--will simply not hear, not see whatever rock solid information you present. This whole covid mess has been a serious education for me and my wife on human nature, psychology, medicine, and, sadly, the corrupt nature of virtually all big gov't bureaucracies.
Agreed. This journey has been both eye opening and detrimental to family relationships. I am now skeptical of ALL “authority” - public health, physicians, law enforcement, clergy, bureaucrats, media... all of them. I now assume everything is an outright lie or otherwise manipulated due to blackmail or bribery. My wife has seen the effect this journey has had on my life, and thus is resistant to turn over any rocks or look at anything critically. She doesn’t want to know, in hopes of avoiding the cataclysm I’ve experienced. She’ll do almost anything to avoid being restricted from seeing children and grandchildren. We disagree on where to draw the line in the sand and what is a “life worth living.” This has been the “Great Shaking Out” - testing the mettle and character of all of us.
Hang in there! It’s a rough and bumpy journey, but in the end finding those who stand by you can be a good feeling. I was recently at the airport in CA, 3 out of 4 random people I talked to were against the vax, it was like finding secret long lost friends!
A friend went to a birthday party in a restaurant. He’s young. This was when vax passes were mandatory. He has a genuine vax pass but never been jabbed. IE it is registered with the government. A young guy came up to him and said ‘I’m surprised to see you here. I thought you would never be vaxed’. He said ‘well I must have been, right? It’s not like there is any workaround to getting a pass’. The friend laughed and said ‘yup. Me too. Where’d you get yours?’ They both were fake vaxed. In total there were twenty young men at the party. My friend only knew six. All six were fake vaxed. ALL SIX! I’m wondering how wide spread this is.
I thank my innate tendency to question authority for saving me from these kill shots. Since I was a child, I've had it (got called in to the principal's office more than once in school, bucked many bosses over the years, etc.) Some people just follow. I always have to ask WTH should I?
I just read a comment elsewhere that really struck me as well. While it's difficult to see God's hand in any of this..I was reminded that it won't be the irrational, seemingly hypnotised and often hysterical Covidian adults that reap the harvest here. It will be the children who remember who took the poison and who didn't. In the future, it will be the children that will by then be well aware of who told the real lies and who didn't. Who dragged them off to be jabbed and who didn't. Who "died suddenly" and who didn't. Who agreed with and blindly followed the "experts" and who didn't. Who fought the good fight and who caved in.. From that perspective, God's hands are all over this.
What is so surprising to me that only 5% of staff out of 10,000 health care professionals in BC Canada in the region that I worked in refused the experimental product on offer. No questions....shocking that they are following the fake science and so trusting. Not me as I refused to be a lab rat
I think Canadian Federal employees it is something like 98% vaxed. If you can believe their numbers. Which are doubtful. I’ve heard from a reliable source Doug Ford and his staff ARENT vaxed. But say they are. The same source said they say 85% double vaxed in Ontario but the source, in DFs office, say it is way under that.
And once your eyes are open you can't un-see! Years ago, I used to assume the media reported stories/issues because they were of interest to people, or important...
Now I just think: "Uhuh, so what's the agenda here? - why are they making a big thing about (whatever subject)? Why are they telling us all to focus on this thing and not another?" The clearest examples for me have been the Russia-Russia hoax, 24/7, month after month, & the huge hoo-ha about some people going into the Capitol 18 months ago whereas the media totally downplayed sustained riots, arson & murder in Portland & Seattle.
I will never forget CNN, from one day to the next, telling me 24/7 that sadam hussein was as bad as hitler. I immediately understood that Wolf Blitzer was working for the US Military to psych us up for the war they had planned and wanted.
I stopped trusting CNN completely after that. I had trusted them before.
1) Do you know what are all the ingredients? (someone eventually sent me a link from some website, but it's not from the site of a manufacturer)
2) Do you know what the long-term effects/potential risks are?
They obviously don't know, and I find that triggers them to automatically have some self-doubt. I find at this point asking them questions and involving them in the inquisitive exercise is better than bombarding them with information (which I've tried, too 😂.)
1. I’m trying to understand why the most Vaxxed countries in the world also have the highest number of infections. (I keep a photo of the charts from Our World in Data on my phone). Do you have any insight on this that would help me understand?
2. I’m wondering why the Scandinavian countries prohibit teenagers and children from taking mRNA shots, but the US just approved it for children as young as 6 months. Do you know what data they have that the US doesn’t?
3. I’m really confused about cruise ships. All the crew are Vaxxed, and passengers can’t get on board without proof of vaccination and a negative COVID test, yet they still have outbreaks while at sea. If the shots work, How can that be? What do you think is happening?
4. Dr. Fauci has had 4 Covid shots but still caught COVID. I wonder why. Do you think it was a new strain, or is there something wrong with the shots? What do you think?
My initial questions are all about effectiveness. If that opens a dialogue I then use questions about safety.
Hi Stephen, I really like your response I think I will use it to dialogue with my 26yr old highly educated niece (just grad USC in public health and so uses "when you have a masters in healthcare.." in any discussion re vax)
I was wondering if you could take a min and also guide me in the safety Q's you ask?
I made huge strides last night with my vaxxed 21yr old, got her to watch the documentary Infertility (WHO using 'tetanus' shots to sterilize wmn in Africa) - bc the topic wasn't 'Covid' she watched it...same nefarious playbook so I am approaching the problem sideways.
Even as recent as today , the vaxxed say, “these shots and boosters keep you from going into the hospital!” No they dont! But you don’t see this anywhere!
Question I use: Every celebrity and politician that is triple jabbed, when they catch COVID, says, “Thankful to be triple jabbed, otherwise it could have been so much worse.” I’m really confused as to how they know it would have been worse. How do they prove that using the scientific method? I’ve never seen any peer reviewed studies on “would have been worse,” have you?
These are awesome! I'm adding them to my repertoire, thank you! Do you have a link to that chart/graph? I just searched for it but didn't come across it. Thanks!
Yes, that's the response I'm getting gain and again. "It limits the symptoms and prevents hospitalization" It's a cold! Remember colds and flus??? And the spike protein is for the original strain and doesn't recognize the variants. That always gets a "That's just not true" response. The withholding and banning of early treatment with so many truly safe and effective life saving drugs throughout this mess is a true crime against humanity. Especially during the first year when waiting for the "miracle vaccine" and we were told, if sick, to go home, take some Tylenol and if you start to turn blue, go to the hospital, where you would most likely die form the protocol.And the continued campaign to discredit these drugs and the doctors using them is unconscionable.
I think that asking “innocent” questions is probably the way to go.
I’ve not had much opportunity to practice that.
And, by nature I like to dispense what I know to others... 🤪 so it’s really, really hard for me to not go into dispense mode. Which, for nearly all of us, is not going to open our minds to information that contradicts our paradigms and current beliefs.
I remember watching a video of someone going into the pharmacist and ' innocently ' asking him if he had read the vaccine insert for the vaccines he was dispensing . He had not and went looking for one . After he read and shared it with her , he was horrified at what he had been unknowingly giving people! I think he stopped the vax program at his pharmacy, but how about that -NOT reading up on a drug you are dispensing in large numbers??!! Interested if there is still an insert ....
My mid 80 year old parents were most likely going to take the shot. My dad more so than my mom. I called every day with more information. I emailed articles about it's dangers. They are both in excellent health and I finally convinced them NOT to take the death shot!
That is dedicated, and I'm really glad for them and you. My parents were fully covidian and covid related topics became impossible to talk about with them. I didn't even try to talk them out of the vaccine, and just hoped they would allow me to see them more after the vax. My dad died two months after Moderna from multiple organ failure of no known cause (kidneys, liver, heart, and brain - he had dementia like symptoms including hallucinations). Both my dad's doses were so called "hot lots," particularly bad batches of vaccine. He was 72. You never know, you may have saved one of your parents' lives.
I know your pain. My ex husband died back in Oct 2021. After 2 Modernas!! Multiple cancers. Even Yale New Haven Couldnt diagnose types. From diagnoses to death. 3 weeks. My grown children are heartbroken. I ache for them to this day.
Being older I was more afraid of the shot doing them harm. My dad is funny. We all had Omicron after Christmas. My 84 year old dad was sick for 3 days. He now has antibodies. He asked if that meant he had "it". I said yes. He looked puzzled and said "but we didn't die"! They really have brainwashed people!
The friend I have who manages clinical drug trials is 110% convinced that if you have c0vid, you will die from it, and that death from c0vid is worse than death from cancer. And she's supposedly "intelligent."
And got vaxxed/ boosted after SHE thinks she had c0vid.
Some people memorize well. They can regurgitate at will all their trusted sources. In fact, they are as intelligent as a tape recorder. (Showing my age.).
I tried to convince my sister in law and a friend. Had long conversations about the dangers, shared information. In the end, the former took the advice of her doctor, and the latter was convinced by a different friend that it was the right thing to do.
I'm impressed! I know if my mother were still alive she would have been first in line to show support for the effort and nothing I could have said would have cause her to hesitate. She died in 2018, up to date on every shot available at the time. Never missed a flu shot, either.
I’m 71. Most of my cohort are flu shotted every year. Some aren’t. Those of us who aren’t NEVER get the flu. My vaxed acquaintances get the flu every year. But ‘it would have been worse without the vaccine’.
My main pursuade e forts have been to have parents not give the vaccine to children. What has been most helpful here are Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Germany limiting or banning Moderna for children. Progressives (my social pool) view Scandinavian and Norther European as educated, enlightened, and trustworthy. If they ban Moderna for kids, then there “must” be a good reason why!
I would love to see a 1 page compilation, with links, to every European country that has banned Moderna for kids. I would happily print out 1,000 and put them in mailboxes...
I started learning about the dangers of vaccines 30 years ago when I had my second daughter. I stopped vaccinating her at three months due to adverse effects. I did not vaccinate my last two children who were born at home.
I spoke nonstop about this to family and friends starting in 2020 when I heard that vaccinating everyone, was our only way out.
I sent my 4 daughters a multitude of articles, videos and podcasts to inform them of what was taking place, but they didn’t believe me. My youngest daughter who lives with me, would hear me on zoom calls with FLCCC and Steve Kirsch, plus my conversations with friends and decided not to get any more shots. She had two, despite all my warnings. She wanted to be able to travel freely. My second eldest has told me the same. I sent her and her partner an inordinate amount of information, which my daughter would not pay attention to, but her partner did, thank God. They got their first two shots more than a year ago and are not getting anymore. They live in New York City and eat out and socialize a great deal. My eldest daughter never got the shots. Only one out of four, really listened to me.
I am dealing with the anguish of my third daughter who lives in DC and has become oppositional defiant of my recommendations, even though she was born at home, not vaccinated and breast-fed for three years. I have no idea how many shots she has taken but she is having massive blood clots from her uterus. She’s 26 and wants to have children. She claims this happened after she had Covid but it probably happened after she had a booster. She will not disclose that to me.
There are so many excellent articles and videos to share with people. One of my favorites is the article written by retired neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock. Most people will not read data, do not understand it, nor think they need to.
My two older sisters and I were all on the same page since the beginning of the Plandemic so thankfully I did not have to convince them of anything. Unfortunately my best friends from childhood and high school did not believe me.
I posted everything I could on Facebook starting in May 2020. Many of my posts were flagged and I was put in Facebook jail a few times. I ended up deleting Facebook out of frustration in seeing so many highly educated, intelligent friends with masks on in their profiles and “I took my shot” frames. It was affecting my mental health.
Myriam, none of this is good for our mental health. Maybe we can draw some inspiration from the little ditty "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger!". My apologies. Now everyone on this thread will have that song stuck in their heads tonight.
Just saw a nurse friend of mine at the grocery store, she became very ill with chest pain and tachycardia after her jab that lasted about a month. Took the second due to work mandate and got same symptoms again. After several months she now has joint pain and muscle weakness and believes the government is trying to kill off part of world population! She asked how I was and told her I’m not vaxed got an exemption and worked as a hospitalist throughout the whole shit show. I told her I work extra hours because the vaxed and boosted doctors got Covid again and some for a second time. She wishes she never got vaccinated and very angry she doesn’t feel well. She asked if I knew one of the doctor’s kids died in her sleep after the shot and I told her yes. I told her that the doctor needs to speak up but probably won’t because many are hypnotized. She told me some doctors are starting to document vaccinated injuries in patients charts!!! I was so excited that there is hope left to overturn this evil madness!
I had a bad car accident in 1987. I had to sell my businesses and was really in a lot of pain for 7 or 8 years. After a few years I went to all the ‘quacks’. All the loony fanatics. Amazingly I usually got something from them. Not enough, but enough to give me hope. The doctors were intelligent, well meaning, and sympathetic. They could do nothing. Eventually I found Ayurveda, which brought me to recovery. I studied Ayurveda and began practicing it. I also was helped with a painful side effect of the accident with homeopathy, of all things. I practiced Ayurveda and homeopathy full time for years, but I eventually needed to go back to work. I chose not to charge in my practice. Through all of that I had respect for doctors. They genuinely seemed to care when I was unhealthy. Even more so than the alternative practitioners. By and large too they were smart people. I’ve pretty much lost all respect for them now. Not of course the ones who stand up, but those are outliers. The industry though has lost its way. And if I hear one more nurse or doctor say when I question the vax, ‘Do you know how hard I work!’, I will scream. I say back, ‘No. I didn’t know that. Well that changes everything. Of course I’ll take poison because you work hard.’
Not to mention teens and children. However, one of the challenges we are up against is that although the severe AEs and sudden deaths are happening , they are not "common" when you look at the number of people who are jabbed up. That doesn't excuse the malfeasance, but I think it makes it harder for people to see. I know in my community there have been at least two teens who died suddenly over the past 12 months, (one running) and the other while sleeping. There have been many more in their 30s and 40s. However, they don't get the same attention.
The chronic fatigue and joint paint are more insidious as they come on more slowly and can be excused away. My colleague just told me that last week: she's been so exhausted she comes home every day from work and crashes. She also sounded congested. She is mid-40s and was boostered in the winter. Why the exhaustion? Is it because her body is battling a spike factory?
I wasn't "for" but I was not full out against, nor expecting to find what I did. My first "ah-ha"? A presentation by Dr. Bridle, Feb. '21, that discussed previous failure of corona virus vaccines and why.
Other useful resources? Berenson's pamphlet's on the original trials. That was a "wowza" (e.g., not testing subjects with symptoms). I also stumbled across Dr. McCullough and Dr. Kory, and they were both credible, informed and concerned (for different reasons - Kory was not against the vax initially; just against the squashing of early treatments). His presentation on industry-capture was significant.
As for waking others, it is important to start out really small. I ask if I can share something I have come across that I think is important.
Good places to start: article on Health Canada's regulatory arm switching to pharma-funding (90%) or Pfizer's history of fraud and current investigation. Also, AEs being mis-labelled or missing from VAERs. I haven't tried much lately, to be honest.
If people have taken the shots, they are not going to want to hear anything too negative. That will invoke their defence mechanisms, and shut down the conversation (and the friendship too)!
That is where I respond with logic. I will share that I looked up the doc prior to the rollout, and he had a stellar rep. I also ask, why would a well-published and respected cardiologist, blow up his career on a conspiracy or whim? What does he have to gain? Lose?
Dr. Hoffe did not do the vaccinations himself - he was travelling during the public health rollout to his community. On his return, he noted that many patients were suffering adverse events, including 5 or 6 people whose AEs were life-changing. He did D-dimer tests on many of his vaxxed patients, and found that 60% had micro-clotting. He reported to the provincial public health boss, Bonnie Henry, and she went into damage control, which included coercing the regulatory bodies into investigating the good doctor. (That witch hunt is still ongoing.) Recently, a FOI request for Henry's emails showed that she was well aware of the severity of many of the adverse events from the get-go.
The hardest people to convince in my experience are the highly educated scientists, doctors and technocrats, particularly the ones that voraciously consume NPR, NY Times, MSNBC, the New Yorker etc. I've had zero success with any of these folks, even the ones who are close relatives. My independent-thinking, skeptical friends often fall into one of these categories: alternative medicine practitioners or consumers, chiropracters, midwives, religious folks, constitutionally-minded freedom-lovers, autodidacts and the most notably parents of vaccine-injured children.
Yes, education makes most people much worse, especially if they do not work in a field where cheating is rampant, so they are used to operate in a high trust environment.
While being interviewed on "The Highwire", Desmet who wrote "Psychology of Totalitarianism" said that education actually makes a person more likely to follow the mass.
One explanation I have considered is that scientists and doctors trust and depend on a huge scientific system, so they are reluctant to believe that this system is corrupted.
Agree; it’s the “educated” that have succumbed and swallowed the kook aide; many bc they’re dr told them to take it! It’s the robotic doctors!!afraid to lose their licenses and jobs! I actually have a friend who’s son is a very bright emergency room dr in Minnesota . He actually told his mother after he had his pregnant wife jabbed, “it’s good for the baby!!” How did he know that? Pregnant women were never in any trials or babies either! He was brainwashed in medical school!
I read a fantastic article by a UK doctor. She'd woken up to the vax problem and to the problem with their profession. Doctors have got where they are through obedience. They believed their teachers, the information they were given, dutifully learnt it and rehearsed it and got good marks. Ditto at University and in their hospital jobs. They learn to regurgitate the information given as true.
But then there's another factor.... Every doctor/hcw experiences catastrophe - death or disablement of a patient. If they have been following the written protocols they are protected by their professional bodies. If they have gone outside them (even a murderous protocol) they could be sued.
The avoidance of being sued seems to be a more dominant influence. I also wonder if dissenting doctors are threatened by their professional bodies with exposure of their previous 'errors'.
I too believed that CDC and the FDA maintained the highest standards, prior to 2021. My trickle of awakening came from hearing Dr. Bridle's very well-explained presentation in February 2021, on the history of failures with corona vaccines. He also unpacked the Pfizer trial, including patients who had symptoms but were never tested. One of my friends is friends with a Vet (like Bridle) and he was sharing some good articles/papers with her/me. I also read Berenson's pamphlet on the Pfizer and Moderna trials. Having some experience collecting data for pharma research in the late 90s, I was stunned. Seeing the industry capture really started to pull it together. Dr. Trozzi's testimony sealed the deal (early June, 2021). I stumbled around for two weeks in shock. Then I red-pilled my hubby, and he looked at me sideways for two weeks: like I'd just stolen his childhood. So clearly people can change their minds. Proceed with caution.
I did try to talk some people out of it. I failed. They were vaxed. HOWEVER, a couple of young friends were hurt and the person who knew them and who I had talked to did not get his second shot. He called me and said what had happened and thanked me for talking sense into him. I don’t think he would have done this if I hadn’t planted some doubt in his mind. This was very early though. I had nothing to go on other than ‘are you nuts? This is still in experimental stage. It’s a brand new technology.’
You stated it incorrectly. You tried to talk people out of it and you SUCCEEDED (but not with everyone). Thank you for talking. You never know when you will succeed.
I actually did something over the last two days that I think had an effect. The BC Gov puts out data. April 3-30 had a donut chart. 51% of the adult pop have been triple vaxed. 14% unvaxed. But....in that four week period 76% of all
COVID deaths were in the triple vax group. Whereas only 7% of COVID deaths were in the 14% unvaxed. Which means if you are triple vaxed you have 3x the chance of dying if you get COVID than if you were unvaxed. This freaked the two people out. This is visceral for people. They were told they were going to die. That’s the motivation. When you tell them they are 3x more likely to die it KILLS the story they have in their head.
Years ago, the local Mosquito Abatement District wanted permission to spray pesticides in the forest preserve. The forest preserve refused, which prompted a MAD trustee named Susan Levy to write an angry letter to the editor, complaining that the forest preserve "is exempting itself from science and state-of-the-art abatement practice."
I wrote a tongue-in-cheek letter to the editor in response, as follows:
"I'm sure Ms. Levy is right. After all, pesticides have a long history of being safe. When DDT came out, it was very safe. Then it was banned in 1972, and Mirex and Chlordecone replaced it. Those were safe until 1977, when the government forbade their manufacture and use. They were replaced with four safe new state-of-the-art pesticides called Endrin, Aldrin, Dieldrin and Chlordane. By 1988 they were all banned and Dursban, a new breed of pesticide that was scientifically proven safe, replaced them. Now the EPA is banning Dursban. Fortunately, we have safe new alternatives to choose from.
"So shame on the Forest Preserve District for ignoring science. And how short-sighted not to take advantage of the current pesticides while they’re still safe!"
I'm sure we could create a similar history of vaccines. If anyone has any particulars of vaccines once thought safe and later banned, please post here.
A great history of the mercury preservative in vaccines called thimerosol is in Evidence of Harm by former New York Times reporter David Kirby. What happened is that thimerosol, which is mercury, was grandfathered in as safe—no studies or one I think, where everyone died. In 1986 a new law gave manufacturers freedom from liability for childhood vaccines (still stands today). The manufacturers saw a goldmine and added more and more shots to the childhood schedule, many preserved with thimerosol. As children became disabled, manufacturers realized they calculated safety on the basis of one vaccine but kids were getting many in a single visit, far exceeding safety levels for mercury, a known poison. Records were shredded secretly and thimerosol phased out with parents and their kids left to deal with the disastrous results.
I was open to getting the jabs initially, but I wanted to wait and see how “safe and effective” they really were (side note, can we come up with a better phrase than that to convey the risks and lack of effectiveness). Then I quickly noticed the pro jab propaganda, it was an onslaught to say the least, and I got suspicious and made up my mind in the negative.
I know people who have doubts now that were fully on board in the beginning, to the point where it was a contentious topic. They have changed their minds because they’ve had Covid multiple times, and they are through with boosters.
I had the same experience. I already knew pet vaccines are ridiculously unsafe and stopped vaccinating my pets 10 years ago (with great results), but I somehow thought human vaccines weren't as bad... Glad I opted for a wait-and-see approach for Covid!
I never intended to take the vaccine. But what really blew my blinders off was reading The Drug that Cracked Covid by Michael Capuzzo in mountain home magazine. It was pure chance that I came across this excellent piece of journalism. That was may 2021. There is so much evidence and testimony that early civic treatment was aggressively suppressed and this article just shocked me….then I read more….this fact alone—the suppression of effective and early treatment for covid—was enough to make me take to the streets. It was overwhelming obvious treatment was suppressed in order to justify the EUA for the vaccines. I shared this article with many and it opened one persons eyes that I know of. Most just “don’t want to know”. The implications are too overwhelming and frightening and the media helps to bury the info and keep people (willfully) ignorant. Thank you for your work here. We have to keep talking about this. Something awful took place and we cannot forget.
Yes, when they came out initially my instincts just said NO don’t put this in your body. What others did was up to them. But When I became aware of the early treatment suppression, I then had a huge moral problem with the vaccines. Then the mandates started (I was living in nyc at the time, you cannot work anywhere without them. Needless to say, I moved). The aggressive pressure by the nyc mayor and us government, and others to “take your medicine” (scary) and the bribing and shaming and all those other unloving, unhealthy behaviors….now all this disturbing data about the lack of safety and obviously they DONT WORK. But No apologies from fda for any of the obvious contradictions and errors. Not one good thing has come of these vaccines. Many are still petrified of covid after vax and boost. So the fearful are STILL afraid of Covid, but those same people think vaccines=good and fda is good. Jesus. So we have the massive brainwashing on top of all the other harms and problems. That’s why I’m grateful to Igor and others for not stopping. The media is a towel of Babel and propaganda meant to keep us unaware and numb. It’s awful. I’m not religious but I’m starting to believe these are the end times.
I still live in NYC 😭. Even though Mayor Adams lifted the mandate on gyms, my gym is still enforcing it, even though they've NEVER implemented it in their FL or TX locations, and when I initially spoke to the gym president back in August, he told me they were doing it for "health" reasons and would roll it globally as soon as possible. They just know that NY'ers are squeamish, and it's all a revenue game.
I have a friend whose cousin works for the CDC. She has 3 shots, just got Covid and is thinking of getting the 4th shot soon before her wedding ((FACEPALM)).
Don't believe these are the end times. The one thing that can turn it around is collective consciousness knowing that they will topple. More and more people are waking up. Have faith! Besides, fear is what they want and it creates harmful biochemicals.
I liked your time reference. It was around May 2021 that the Indian province of Uttar Pradesh, population 204 million, passed out Ivermectin to its citizens and basically obliterated a Covid outbreak in a couple weeks. That evidence was memory-holed by the MSM which continued to carry water for Big Pharma, in slandering any effective therapy. The CDC even slammed the medicine as "Horse Paste". (To which I say "Naaaaayyyyy").
I have both horse paste and ivermectin from India at home. I haven’t had to use either.
I listened to a podcast by a functional medicine doctor a few years ago. She was interviewing the founder of a company with several excellent formulations. The founder of the company was an acupuncture/herbal medicine student who was being mentored by a veterinarian who took care of large animals.
The Vet used an herbal combination on the animals that seemed to cure them of everything! The acupuncture/herbal medicine student asked if she could reformulate it for humans and he said yes but to remove or lower one of the ingredients which was very strong. She made up the formulation and sent it to several if not all of the top labs that run functional medicine tests. One of the owners of a lab called and asked her what was in the formulation because when they tested it it killed everything unfavorable! She switched her career track from acupuncture physician to starting a company with these products, which I have taken. Biobotanicals Research is the name of the company.
I’m not a doctor and I’m not suggesting anything. FLCCC has protocols so do Naturopaths. Last night I heard that dandelion is now part of the FLCCC protocol. Dandelion is a bitter herb that supports liver health. It’s been used for centuries by Herbalists. I would always lean towards natural, herbal or homeopathic remedies. I was taking Pine needle extract as a preventative and the usual vitamins D3K2, C, Zinc, Selenium, Magnesium glycinate and Quercetin, plus a mushroom blend for immune support.
I know. It's so obvious what went down and how the lie keeps going. It's like the vaccines are a horrible talentless diva that everyone props up and pretends is an artistic genius. A real emperor with no clothes situation. It's psychotic, obviously amoral and I still have trouble believing this is all really happening!
I don’t know that anything I have said or anything I have argued with my friends or family has convinced them of anything.
My Dad ended up on ER after shot 1 with a strange heart issue. He is on shot #4 and now has an aggressive cancer. He sees this as even more reason to stay UTD on his boosters. My MIL is incapable of self-advocacy due to religious abuse growing up and being absolutely deferential to any authority figure. She started a downward spiral with her health within 2 weeks of her second shot. Open Heart surgery. Valve replacement. Pacemaker. Ablation. 2 eye surgeries for worsening vision. She KNOWS that she was healthy before her shots and everything fell apart after. She still went and got her booster after ALL of this. And her flu shot.
I could say ‘unbelievable!’ But it isn’t. I knew, he’s cut me out of his life now, a guy whose arm atrophied after his first shot. He’s probably up to four shots now. I don’t know how his arm is doing. We don’t talk anymore. But he said the shot had nothing to do with his arm. His arm was in constant pain and was atrophying because he had broken his thumb twelve years before.
The only thing I’m aware of that has changed minds in my circle is direct experience with injury/death (and even then many people choose not to blame the shots). Otherwise it’s not something we talk about to avoid arguments.
Same here. Half of extended family is jabbed, and so far no AEs. Not until someone in their own inner circle becomes clearly ill, will they possibly change their minds. Maybe. Or a super high profile leader suddenly dies or something. Even then. Sad. It’s gonna be a long process.
My uncle had a stroke and then died from a very sudden and fast cancer (of which he had zero signs previously). Several of his doctors even said it was related to the jab. Most of my family didn’t believe it and thought it was just coincidence.
Hopeless, aren't they... once taken, no-one wants to believe they are dangerous, because of the consequences, and no-one wants to believe they've self-harmed, or encouraged harm in someone.
I will start this pinned message wiith "best practices" gleaned from your replies. To be edited based on your suggestions.
** Read Josh Guetskow "Reaching People" article
https://jackanapes.substack.com/p/how-to-reach-people-across-the-divide
Some thoughts from the readers:
- Most important is to persuade them to WAIT a few weeks. This makes the job half done
- Mention your personal acquiaintainces who died or were hurt by vaccines
- Refer to Europe banning Moderna for young people
- Promote general skepticism of pharma industry as that "opens the door" to doubt
Also, general approach to persuasion is that it must involve ACTIVE LISTENING and empathy. The person you are trying to convince, must feel that they are listened to, valued and understood.
A common topic (coming from those who changed their minds, or changed minds of others) is to make the deciding person watch a video. Some suggestions to be compiled later.
Amazing response from a professional persuader LAWYERLisa (seatch for it): recognize the person type and act according to the type.
Recommend everyone to NOT use Google for "doing their own Covid research".
For the more closed minded people, ASK QUESTIONS rather than tell them how to think.
User MP was convinced by a family friend antivax doctor. If you know anyone who is a health professional, and is against vaccines, see if you can get them together.
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Great questions to ask:
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Start seeding doubt with simple questions to try to kick start the critical thinking that has gone to sh1t the last several years...
- Have you read the 5-10 year impact study? (impossible, not out long enough)
- If an expert tells you a NEW product is 'safe and effective' with no long-term data to support that position, is that not a lie? (good time to bring up the European warnings/bans regarding Moderna)
- If an expert lies to you about long term impact, why do they deserve your trust without verification? How else may they be misleading you?
- What is the track record for these experts on related issues? On mask flip-flopping. On safe social distancing (5' vs 6'). On disinfecting groceries. On 'two-weeks' to slow. On restricting outdoor activity. On disinfecting outdoor furniture. On sitting/eating maskless being safe. On street-side tent restaurants being safe but not indoor restaurants. On lockdowns and school closures to prevent spread. On vaccines neutralizing covid. On vaccines stopping the spread of covid.
- Putting aside fear, anger, suspicion, and other emotions - have you done an honest risk assessment to compare the unknown risk of a novel treatment against the known risk of a negative outcome based on age and co-morbidities?
Very important -- if you do not have direct control over the person, do not forbid or command people. Make them make their own decision.
For those who are swayed by "majority", point out that the majority of Americans refused booster shots.
MY OWN TALKING POINT
-- Vaccines are hard. There NEVER was any successful vaccine against ANY coronavirus
-- There NEVER was a successful, safe, effective and approved mRNA application.
What makes you think that Covid vax would succeed?
I have not had any luck with talking about people who have been vax injured. Responses have been (1) All vaccines and drugs harm some people. We know none are 100% safe. (2) There is no way to prove causation. (3) If this were true, the government and doctors would not be pushing them. (4) VAERS data is not verified. Anyone can report.
Data or finding from other countries has also not worked for me. Many people think we have the best healthcare in the world and are the leaders, not the followers.
The only tactic that has worked for me is approaching this topic indirectly by discussing recent medical scandals pushed by our government. For example, what held my husband back from seeing this was his resistance to the idea that our government could be so corrupt. But he agreed to watch the movie series, Dopesick, about the opioid epidemic. Then he saw for himself just how corrupt the FDA is. After that, he was open to watching Vaxxed 1 and Vaxxed 2 with me. And now he is convinced about the vaccines. Prior to this, no amount of data or stories of injuries could convince him.
I won't wear a mask and have a bogus exemption.. I enjoy telling people who ask me to wear a mask that I damaged my heart after the booster shot and have trouble breathing now...
I love the look of shock on their faces! I have no idea whether or not this discourages them from taking more boosters. But it sure is fun fun fun!!!
I don’t wear a mask. I walked into a country grocery store near my house. They are mask Nazis. I walked in, grabbed some milk, went to the counter. As I did a woman said ‘you’ll have to wear a mask’. I said ‘a mask?! Why?’ ‘Because of COVID. ‘. ‘COVID? What is that?’ ‘COVID! We are in a pandemic.’ She’s mildly annoyed. But mildly confused. I have her explain to me what a pandemic is. Now she’s confused. I act confused. I ask how long this has been going on. She says, 18 months (this was last summer).’ My face brightens. ‘Oh! I’ve been in a coma for eighteen months! I just woke up a few days ago. I did notice when I left the hospital people had on masks. But I was pretty dozy. I thought that was normal. I have seen masks. So that’s what that is all about’. She is now happy. We are getting somewhere. She offers me a mask. ‘Nah’ I say, ‘I don’t wear masks’. While this has been going on I have been paying for my milk. The girl on the cash burst out laughing. The other woman was miffed.
lol! Great story....thanks for the belly laugh!
Rip Van Winkle :)
Funny! When the people at the register say "stay safe", I ask "safe from what?" as if there might be a criminal on the loose I need to know about.
They usually reply "just stay safe".
Me: "I am not afraid of any safety issues today."
I am terrified of the Covid vaccines. Nothing else.
Treating this situation with humor ! Love it!
I forgot to mention when I lived in Shanghai for a year -- was on a date - in Shanghai if you j-walk there are men with whistles who blow them very hard and try to force you to go to the cross walk...
I was J-walking and the guy starts blowing ... I feign deformity (dragging my lame leg behind me) and mental retardation (blabbering idiocy at the guy)...
He let us continue across the street... shortly afterwards he saw us walking completely normally ... and he had a nice laugh over that...
I ended up marrying the date and to this date she insists I was not feigning the mental retardation part
BTW - no offence to anyone who is mentally retarded... it's a bit step up from CovIDIOCY.
Gorilla warfare. I like it.
Awesome!
At least I’m not alone!! My husband says ALL of this!! Must get him to see Dopestick
I would recommend John Abramson's book on Pharma or perhaps a podcast. He was on with Lex Fridman about 4 months ago and with Joe Rogan around the beginning of the year.
Heck, there are some great nor articles on the Vioxx scam Merck pulled (for those for whom NPR is THE TRUTH).
How does that book compare to _Bad Pharma_ by Ben Goldacre? That one'll open your eyes.
The Real Anthony Fauci.
I should have also said to watch out for Abramson’s absurd case of cognitive dissonance. While he rails against pharma, and for good reason, he is a clot shot true believer. On Rogan the guy spent 2 hours dismantling the pharma cartel and then pivoted to “we must vaccinate Africa or they’ll all die from omicron”. It was and is stunning to behold.
Can I ask what is dopestick?
It's called Dopesick, a movie series based on a book about the opioid epidemic. Some is fictionalized, but the storyline about the FDA's complicity is 100% true and verified. https://www.hulu.com/series/dopesick-227de06a-d3d4-42e0-9df1-bb5495e1738d
It's a film about the corruption of the FDA with the opioid crisis. I have not seen but I think I need to get my husband to watch it.
There’s also the book/movie Dallas Buyer’s Club, based on the true story of Fauci refusing to approve cheap, effective repurposed drugs to AIDS patients, instead pushing useless, harmful drugs, and the patients banding together to get the drugs that worked.
Truth. Fauci has a playbook.
I'm so sorry that your husband will not listen to you. May I ask if he has a scientific background? Talking about movies, there is another one on Hulu called "The Dropout". the true story of Elizabeth Holmes, CEO and founder of a company called Theranos. She was able to convince (scam) many famous, intelligent and powerful people into believing/investing in her and her vision for the future of blood testing. Eventually, they see the truth. One ruined his relationship with his grandson rather than accept the truth. The movie illustrated beautifully how difficult it is for people to come to grips with having been deceived.
That's too true, Beckie. I think Mark Twain wrote some witty aphorism along that line. Bamboozled is the funny-sounding, but apt word. Nobody ever, ever, ever wants to admit to being hoodwinked! Har har.
With his background, it would be very difficult to change his mind unless something he didn't expect happened to him to shake his faith in authority figures, not necessarily having to do with the vax.
I watched it with my husband and it was helpful to show him more inside her information about how corrupt big pharma is. It's a well acted drama so most people wouldn't have trouble sitting through it, but I appreciate it how informative it was as well.
Good point. They conned the Walgreen's pharmacy people., too.
I believe we selectively edit the data we let it to fit our existing world view. If your world is run by honest people who only want the best for you, well, some information will really mess with you head. Better not to let it in to begin with. Amazing you got through. Many of my loved ones are just not willing to look at anything that challenges their worldview. This is how I’ve come to understand it. None of these people are dumb or incapable of formulating questions. They just don’t want to. It’s because the questions ultimately raised are foundational.
Yes, that's been my conclusion as well. If your whole world view is based on trusting those in authority it's risking your security, your equilibrium to begin to let us in.
Yes. This is TOTALLY my husband. It’s been a tough two years.
I know! Sorry...
You're describing "cognitive dissonance" and it is a doozy... Just understanding the concept of cognitive dissonance and reading about it itself SHOULD be helpful to anyone...
After reading it for the first time in 2015 or so, I used to give out copies of Cialdini's "Influence," and yet it still took me a few months to start questioning the official COVID narrative.
In which case, back to Igor’s thread, it might be we take five irrefutable facts that disrupt the narrative and continually toss them out there. BC Gov stats that show 51% of people triple vaxed are 76% of COVID deaths. That one fact, straight from Stats BC, debunks the narrative.
Cognitive dissonance.
I’m pretty sure the deprogrammers hammer away at the cognitive dissonance. Once one thing is admitted to be true, that is not part of the narrative, the narrative unwinds.
All this leftist nonsense has scraps of info tossed in our faces constantly that if looked at would demolish leftism. You have to actively disregard it to continue to be leftist.
I was caught up in a cult throughout my early 20s. The dissonance grew and grew until I couldn’t ignore it any longer. I left. After I noticed how my thinking was still biased by the erroneous words of the guru. Even a year later. I then read about cults. Which shocked me. After admitting I had been and still partly was in a cult I then taught myself how to think. I had a good brain always. But I did not know how to think. It took awhile. I got a lot better at it. A big part of learning was to learn to recognize dissonance early and confront it in myself. DON’T Rationalize away scrap bits of info. They aren’t necessarily untrue just because they are outliers. Any true fact is not really an ‘outlier’. It’s only an outlier to the narrative.
VERY helpful. That's very impressive that you were able to do that on your own. Have you considered writing about it for publication or developing some sort of program? I think your advice not to rationalize away scraps of info is very central. About a year before covid my family had a conflict that was not solvable, mainly because my daughter accepted a false narrative and was not able to see the situation objectively. At one point I pointed out to her something that one of us saw that contradicted her narrative. "What about that?" I asked her. "I don't care what X saw," she said, and dismissed any chance of reassessing the situation. About 50 yrs ago there was a desk sign that said, "My mind is made up. Don't confuse me with facts." Guess this existed back then too. Anyway, I think you could be a central part of helping us to change some minds if you put your mind to it! Thanks!
Last week I saw my primary care doctor. She’s a card-carrying vaxxer but acknowledged that she’s complete 3 VAERS reports out of 300 patients, ie 1%. When I mentioned that VAERS has over 1.3 mil Covid vax reports she said they were likely fake and made by bots. Simple math: 220 mil Americans have cotton Covid vax x 1% = 2.2 mil injuries at the rate that she herself has reported them. But of course, she said I’m partaking of tons of misinformation.cognitive dissonance is strong.
The doctors I know are tripling down. Because they couldn't possibly admit to themselves and others that they have literally killed people with vaccines and lack of proper treatment. And that it wasn't ever a real pandemic. So they continue with their FFP2 masks and boosters (themselves and their loved ones included). Just to make sure that everyone knows that we are still having a deadly pandemic and they were right all along.
With the exception of people like McCullough, Malone, Kory, Zalenko, etc I now have zero respect and trust in the medical profession.
Find an FLCCC doc, like those. You can probably actually find one for a primary care.
My belief has always been that it won’t be so anecdotal or easy to ignore when everyone is 1 degree separated from vaccine injured. At some point the “data” won’t even matter. It will just be “oh all these people got sick or died after 2021” but when will they see it?
Hopefully not after they viscously scapegoat the un-jabbed and/or the seriously EUA injured first. But looking back historically, irrationally acting out aganist a polarized, perceived "enemy" seems to reliably be one of the last steps in the collective realization process.
Dump her. If they ever get serious about forcibly jabbing everyone she will dox you. She's the bot.
I def considered dumping her but spoke to two good friends who are on our side of this debate and for various practical reasons they both suggested keeping her for now. It’s a tough compromise I’m making with myself to do so.
That’s what she has seen and admitted to. There will be tons more who haven’t put two and two together.
Agreed. My list of one-degree separated problem who’ve had a heart condition or stroke in the past 8 months is now up to 12 people. Vaccines were not considered as a cause for any of them
Point out the VAERS data it's pretty clear when you scroll down to the charts.
https://openvaers.com/covid-data
"A but VAERS isn't reliable, anyone can fill it in"
"I completely agree."
"Given the speed of Trump's warp speed vaccine and the fact it is being coerced into as many people as possible, don't you think we should have a reliable way of recording adverse reactions?"
Mention that it is Trump's vaccine.
Ha sad but true. It’s a trigger word.
Try Open Vaers!! It's better and gives the Sum of the Enormous Injuries!!
Dopesick was a wonderful gift to the world this year. Agree that the first step is acknowledging/believing our government and medical system does not actually care about the people.
Regarding your comment that people will reply “(1) All vaccines and drugs harm some people. We know none are 100% safe.” Use percentages per 100,000 people. Some people will say “well of course all vaccines may harm a few and this vaccine has been given to billions so of course there’s going to be a lot of injury, but it’s still just a tiny percent.” So show the data per 100,000 people. So it’s apples to apples.
That is what is so crazy! You can not accept tens of thousands of injuries or deaths just bc billions have had it! That is so wrong! 25 out of 55 million in 1976 with swine flu vaccine and it was pulled. This fallacy that is in people’s heads is the problem. The general person does not think of this. Nor should they!! But the company, the FDA and CDC HAVE TO!!
I don't think the injury number is critical here anymore. The critical numbers are efficacy of the treatment, or complete lack of it.
Simple questions:
1) If the shots worked, why do you need a booster?
2) If the shot works, why doost people get covid anyway. And why more than once?
And if they worked, why would I need one?
"If your vaccine didn't protect you, how is my vaccine going to protect you?"
Something that works with some people is seeing the weight of cases if they occur with people close to them. It's obviously no great consolation to finally realize it when you see friends and family getting really sick, maimed, or dying. But it seems to push people to the brink of breaking the spell. But yeah, I've heard those statements over and over. I saw some guy on the train, reading a journal article and telling his mom and dad a bunch of BS about vaccines. Literally his ONLY argument for a positive vaccine article over a negative one was that the guy who loved vaccines had a degree from a more prestigious university. As if that means anything at all when someone is 20 years deep in their career. Mind-blowing. Of course, the guy was about 25 years old, so he knows EVERYTHING.
Dopesick was nuts, and it's disgusting that the same thing is happening now but on a global scale.
Regarding VAERS: yes, anyone can report, but it is a chargeable offence to file a false report. And most reports are by medical folks, anyway. Despite its flaws, VAERS is the official adverse event database
Plus it takes forever to fill out! People will not lie about it.
Good ideas
Nice work :)
Great job with your husband!! I love stories like these...
So, we had a child and older adult in the family both clearly and directly injured by the vaccines. We uncovered the why of how it happened....and all the things the doctors did to ensure that it would happen....and continue to worsen etc...this was a complete dismissal of all effects and the medical guidelines (only passively enforced at best). After all the years and pointing out the obvious, after seeing it....they all got their covid shots. Even without trusting the government and the cutting of the red tape....none of it mattered in the end.
I wonder how may vax injured people are out there who are hiding in shame.... and because they don't want to discourage others from taking the Safe and Effective vaccines.
I've had a similar experience with my wife, although less successful. Reason isn't the primary motivator for many, and like you say, vaccine injuries or other data seem too abstract to get past their initial defence mechanism to have any effect. The more emotional, narrative based documentaries are a great deal more impactful.
Unfortunately, my wife has had 3 doses now. We live in Melbourne Australia, where vaccine mandates are still in force for most categories of employment. The social pressure combined with the threat of losing her job trumped all other considerations for her, she wasn't willing to take the risk of pushing back.
I am enjoying calling pharmacists telling them they injected my kid and have damaged his heart permanently.
Then I ask why we were not told this was a possible side effect.
One told me 'because we don't want to scare people off taking the vaccine'
It generally ends with me unleashing a tirade of hate on them then hanging up.
More recently I now inform them that I will send 'mystery people' into their shop and ask about the side effects - and record the answer secretly. So they better make sure they are offering proper informed consent cuz when they kill and maim others.. and do not inform them of the risks... we have this as evidence.
It is criminal the negligence on all fronts!
My employer recently tried to terminate my employment because I hadn't been vaccinated, and did a really sloppy job of it, so I sent a four page letter back detailing the international human rights articles they were breaching and the various laws they were breaking by pursuing that course. They backed off in a real hurry. It seems as though nothing motivates these people to do anything even close to the right thing like the threat of legal liability
This is why recording pharmacists and even nurses giving these injections is tremendously useful.
If you can get them telling you the only real side effect is a sore arm...ideally you push them a little 'is that all?' --- and record that conversation - you can then play it back for them then and there... and then read them the riot act.
You tell them that you are handing the recording to a lawyer -- and if they inject someone without providing proper informed consent going forward -- and someone is injured or dies - then we will reference this recording during the trial.
I got the pharmacist earlier today to state 'because we don't want them to be scared off of taking the vaccine' when I asked her why they did not inform my wife that permanent heart damage is a risk of the shot.
People need to get off their asses - and organize -- forget about marching around the f789ing block shouting Freedom!!! -- that is totally USELESS.
Get a group together in your city then do exactly what I am suggesting - and what I have done...
I guarantee you if enough people follow this lead the people working the death camps will be scared --- and they will provide informed consent.
Find a lawyer who is against the injections -- and ask if he/she is willing to create a form letter on their letterhead --- effectively saying -- we are in possession of a tape recording .... and indicating that if they fail to provide proper informed consent going forward this tape will be used in evidence in support of a law suit against you personally and your employer should you cause harm to anyone.
You can reuse the letter simply changing the name and address....
This may not stop most of the fools from getting injected -- but at least it may result in them getting proper information that there are very serious dangers associated with these injections ... and some may walk away.
It is a big deal when medical professionals acknowledge the vax injuries are real.
Agreed! Here, we had protests that put the entire city in gridlock for hours every weekend, media ignored it and government did exactly what they wanted anyway.
Can I ask what country you're in?
Can’t understand this mentality. Just can’t. My husband is the same. But humanity is at stake! How can’t you push back?!?!
I know! Unfortunately, I think ours is the rarer mentality, maybe just the right amount of disagreeableness!? It also seems deference to authority plays a big role, my wife will go to "authoritative sources" like government agency websites or establishment media despite them not providing sources or back up any of their claims, etc. Whereas if the argument doesn't make sense or they've provided absolutely no evidence for their arguments, I don't care how authoritative the source, their claims aren't credible!
This may be too personal to share on a public forum, but have you had concerns being intimate with someone who’s gotten three jabs? (Due to shedding.) I’m single now and have been paralyzed in the dating world b/c I’m nervous being too close to people with recent shots.
Not an issue. My husband went around me to vac our son. I’m massively hurt. He wants a divorce. So no intimacy post jab here. Not interested. And even if I were, no. I would not do that with a three jab wonder. Nope.
What sucks is courts in the US deem parents that won't give the death jab to their kids as unfit.
Holy.
Wow. That's full on.
Ps. If I’m not putting it in my body through my arm, I sure as hell ain’t putting it my body that way!
You know that saying 'she's so hot I'd let her give me AIDS'....
That sort of applies... is she hot enough to risk myocarditis for... if so I'd recommend mitigating with a condom. And kiss her on the neck... no swapping of fluids.
Yes, I feel very lucky. Most of my family is very argumentative and angry if I bring this up. They don't realize what is at stake for themselves and society at large. IMO, this is an existential crisis unlike any the world has seen. And in their mind, I have fallen prey to conspiratorial right-wing politics. Having my husband believe in this has made a world of difference. I hope your husband will begin to see the truth. I can only imagine how hard this is for you.
This comment perfectly describes my experience within my large family (7 adult kids plus 4 daughter in laws)
My husband has come around thank God and has been a tremendous support. But my kids are just sick of hearing me discuss both the dangerous risk in taking the vaccine and societal and medical tyranny that is taking place (I am an RN and was fired in January and have moderate/conservative political views) The one thing that has really started opening eyes is discussing the risk of Covid for my grandchildren. All have had it and hardly had any symptoms. Right now none will be getting the jab (thank God). I preempted these discussions about the grand babies with stating “we all want to keep them safe and healthy so we all have the same goal in mind ultimately “ that really helped soften the debate.
My brother-in-law got the jab after his kids started doing the whole "we might not visit any more" coercion. Seemed totally reasonable considering he had recently had a HEART ATTACK. Might as well just stab him and be done with it. Fortunately, he has some decent genetics, because he's still kicking.
When the adult children start threatening to withhold the grandchildren, is it not justified to without the children from the will?
Well-done, Maria!
Same situation; nurse; adult kids. Wrote a love letter in April of 21, when the fraud was apparent to me and I realized they were coming for the babies. No one cares to hear the views of a public health nurse- mother. No one believed what I wrote nor interacted w/it. I do think that though we might not have a ‘hearing’ re: the first generation down, nurses might be able to influence things for the babies. If there are nurses here in Chicago, Igor’s in Chicago, right? We should do a meet- up.
I think anyone with a brain can see that young children did fine fighting Covid ad it would help if doctors promoted and discussed natural immunity. My doctor didn’t know what to think about covid and natural immunity and was pushing the shots.. I haven’t been back in over two years
I'm not jabbed and I got COVID but it was a run of the mill moderate to mild cold/flu like experience for me. Definitely nothing worth getting a series of mRNA lipid nanoparticles injections for
I am happy for you that you saved your husband's life. He will likely have a normal lifespan thanks to your caring. My wife didn't heed my warnings and took it. The in-laws gave me the "You are just a right-wing conspiracy nut" spiel, also. Weirdly, they often invoked Trump's name as a reason for taking the shot, even though he was always pro-jab. The strange logic is this: "Reeeee! Orange Man Bad. Me hate Orange Man. Right wingnuts conspiracy theorists say vaccine bad. They must want to kill me. So Trump must be trying to kill me. So, I will take the shot to spite Drumpf and the reactionary liars!"
People who take the time to research at all are not thanking Trump for this debacle. It was his worst achievement and I hope he’s starting to realize it.
I don’t blame him. I’m assuming he thought ‘whatever...let’s get a vax out for it’ and assumed it would be like a normal flu vax. IE useless, but not super harmful. I certainly didn’t think they would implement a depopulation purge.
Trump has a lot to do with my family's reaction as well. They hate Trump, but seem to forget he was the one of the main pushers for Warp Speed. I am sure if he were president today not a single one of my D friends and family would have gotten jabbed as they could not deny association.
The same thing happened when I mention hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin. My D friends associate both with drinking bleach and Trump, while showing zero skepticism about FDA-approved drugs like remdesivir. And all of my D friends -- all of them -- highly educated, intelligent, and caring people. Simply astounding to witness.
The media really did an excellent job in confounding safe treatments with Trump -- but not the jab he was actually responsible for pushing. It makes me wonder what other nonsensical things they can get the intelligent sheep to believe.
Well $1,000,000,000 in propaganda can convince most people the moon is made of cheese.
Wow!
I spotted the lies Fauci told from the start, but I'm the right wing nutter in my extended family. They can't connect the still births, infertility, heart failure, drop deads unexpectantly in the family to the vaccine. It's so weird that they can't see it.
I am so sorry, Katrina. There are so few people I can talk to in real life about this, which is why substack has been a God-send and keeps me somewhat sane. I am in search of new friends myself. One group that I just discovered last year is the Weston Price Foundation. I don't agree 100% with everything, but I have been to a local chapter meeting and it was so refreshing to meet people in real life who share my concerns. I also find their information on nutrition helpful and eye-opening. https://secure.westonaprice.org/cvweb_weston/cgi-bin/utilities.dll/openpage?wrp=chapter_dir.htm
I'm with you both! So few people to talk to. I told my daughter I didn't trust big pharma as they were repeat offender felons, having paid out billions in fines. Daughter: you're psychotic! Okay then! What else is there to say? I love W.A. Price Foundation! I'm all about clean and healthy. I just emailed a local group. It would be nice to be with like-minded people. I don't know where you live, but in the Northeast you can get direct from farm delivery of ultra-organic amazing foods from Amish in PA. myrealfoods.com/meadowridgefarm
and that is the cruelest thing that the evil (knowingly) vaccine pushers are doing to all of us. Destroying precious relationships over lies. Betrayal by those whom we have been told to trust (experts).... you are trying to save your loved ones, and they think you are crazy and push themselves away from you. All based on lies.
Maybe one day they will learn the truth, and how heartbreaking, especially if by then it is "too late."
Perhaps we anti-covid vax nutjobs should form a social club? 🤪
Great idea!!
It's rough. My FIL whose over 90 has had 3 jabs and got 50% heart failure after his booster. I recommended he not get any more, and he went off on me. Most of these people can't be helped.
I understand. You can’t change peoples minds most of the time.
How sad!
So sorry! I’ve lost acquaintances and a relationship with my brother too!
It’s very disheartening how this is happening. There are topics I just know I cannot discuss with certain people in my friend groups.
I was raised by skeptical parents. They are especially skeptical of the government. They tend to vote for different parties, which maybe helps with the skepticism.
Probably because of that, I am always blown away that anyone trusts politicians and bureaucrats at all. The idea that they care about "the people" more than themselves is silly and naive. But after the last 30 months or so, it's shocking.
Also raised by skeptical parents - well one of them was anyway. That was enough to get me thinking more when I was pregnant with my first and did some research and oh boy what I found. This was before people shouted “oh what are you Dr Google” and whatever else they try to smear people with to make their research seem not worthwhile. Our government has been harming us for a long time indirectly, but it’s just moving to direct harm now.
I like to tell the nutjobs that question internet research that all the top doctors and virologists have begun doing mass mailouts because it's way more efficient than the internet...
Dr Google?, I dare someone to actually find accurate vaccine info on Google! You have to know what sites to go to or go pages deep before you might find something. So if people don’t know this and are researching they see nothing but how great vaccines are. It’s crazy!
Exactly, I used to think it was crazy that my grandparents never used banks but I thank God for the skepticism I was raised with. There is value in listening to refugees from communist countries. So many have been at events we've attended literally crying that they're witnessing history repeating itself.
You had great parents. It’s critical to question everything but it’s a stretch to have everything questioned at the same time. There are so many moving parts… politicians and world governments the WHO, WEF, mainstream media, FDA, CDC, Big Pharm all working in concern. There are so many puzzle pieces and the lie is so big it hard to believe.
Holding two ideas in one's head: we live in a society; BigPharma is allowed to run roughshod over us which has resulted in deaths and maiming.
They can't brain it.
What they CAN brain is feeling like they are part of a caring, scientific group that has healed the world from a scary pandemic.
Severe cognitive dissonance.
Ask him why he thinks that the tobacco industry fought tooth and nail to hide the fact that smoking causes cancer?
Ask him why he thinks the tobacco industry paid Doctors to promote smoking?
Ask him why he thinks Doctors agreed to promote smoking (for fat wads of cash)?
Ask him why he thinks all the experts thought asbestos was perfectly safe until they all suddenly agreed it was terribly dangerous and needed to be stripped out ASAP?
Ask him why all the experts thought putting lead in paint, petrol and in children's toys was perfectly safe until they all decided it wasn't?
Ask him why the experts told us that the original nuclear power stations where inherently safe because of their numerous safety systems, were the experts right?
Ask him why the makers of the weedkiller glyphosate have finally admitted that their product causes cancer and have offered to setlle the lawsuits against it for $10bn?
Ask him why despite the admission that this product causes cancer it is still used in agriculture and still for sale in the high street?
Ask him why the experts at Merck lied that their drug Vioxx was safe when they knew it caused heart attacks?
Ask him to look into all the criminal and civil penalties Pfizer have had to pay.
Pfizer set a record for the largest fine paid for a health care fraud lawsuit filed by the U.S. Department of Justice. Pfizer paid $2.3 billion in fines, penalties, and settlement for illegal marketing claims.
Ask him why anyone should trust a comapny pushing out a 'warp speed' vaccine made by a pharmacompany with criminal convictions including illegal marketing claims (lying about safety and efficacy) when that company has a free pass regarding any injuries their 'warp speed' product produces.
The answer to all these questions is that the experts regularly get things wrong/lie.
Also that the large corporations are very often corrupt and will happily knowingly kill people if it earns them a profit.
And also ask if they remember the H1N1 Swine Flu in 2009 which scared the daylights out of the public only to be exposed as a giant scam to produce massive vaccine profits.
One of those vaccines, Pandemrix, resulted in the permanent disablement of >1000 EU children. It created an autommunity in children mostly of a particular genetic allele to self-destroy a part of their own brains, leading to permanent narcolepsy/cataplexy. It took 6 weeks to 9 months to manifest, and far longer to attribute to the vaccine. As such I have an automatic "no rushed vaccines in a pandemic" status - watching for 2 years, but there was so much more wrong with these genetic inventions that it was a "never" status.
Madeleine - I remember the way the swine flu story was all over the place and then it faded just as quickly as it rose. Sharyl Attkisson of CBS at the time broke the expose of the hoax but it never appeared on the TV news (only made it on the network website). When Covid hit the scene I expected it to be a similar nothing burger but I guess I’m naive to how easy it is to scare people when the media remains one sided and dishonest.
BtW I took a look at your Substack page and look forward to reading your posts. I signed up.
I doubt most people are aware of this information because we rely on mainstream media to do the digging for us and they have shown they lie by omission.
This response is exactly the script needed to wake people up from their delusion. Some are so committed to the narrative they get angry if you just ask them to look at opinions other than the mainstream narrative.
I loved your step by step analysis with examples! Do I have permission to share your words?
Perfect!!!
I feel your pain! So sad!
Ask him why they are still pushing it when the CDC's own website, VAERS, shows over 1 million injuries and over 28,000 vaccine deaths. Harvard says this site is underreported by as much as 99%!
I believe the Harvard study says it’s only 10% of the actual amount, so underreported by 90%.
It must be some sort of psychological problem.
The evidence that shows that 'the experts' are routinely wrong in just about every field of study imaginable is overwhelming and the evidence to show that pharma is murderously corrupt is undeniable.
Del Bigtree interviewed Desmond Matthias last week on his show "The Highwire." It's an interview well worth watching that explains why people aren't listening to reason. It's more of a operating in the head problem, instead of the heart, than it is an actual psychological problem.
I had the same issue with my husband who died on Feb 13, 2022. His lungs were scarred and his kidneys were shutting down. He had a Moderna booster after two Pfizer’s on Dec 29, 2021. He went to the hospital in early February and was sent home. He was admitted six days later and immediately diagnosed with pneumonia I had a Moderna shot in March 2021. A few weeks later I noticed a blotchy rash on my lower left leg, the side of the vax. A short while after that I had a very thick, clotty nosebleed from the left nostril. Any cautions I tried to bring to the discussion were mostly shut down or ignored. I take Vit D, Zinc, vitamin C, Quercetin, aspirin etc and hope for the best, but the lower leg rash persists.
I am so sorry Ennis.
My husband had the Moderna shot and had a terrible reaction. He had difficulty with his breathing which he attributed solely to having had Covid in 2020. He had so much difficulty breathing he went to hospital. This is a man who never goes to the doctor. He then took the Pfizer shot. Still has problems breathing but is not willing to consider the shots with toxic spike protein that is produced by the body for 60+days could have caused the issue or contributed to more damage in his lungs. The Mass Formation is unbelievable.
I'm so sorry to hear your story. My heart goes out to you. One of my friends who's a pharmacist at BI Deaconess hospital in Boston thought that I was crazy not to want the shots. She stopped talking to me for about a year, but recently stopped by my house to tell me that after her third shot, she got a rash and swelling in her leg that will not go away. Then she got COVID on top of that. She says her immune system hasn't been the same since, and she's now spending a fortune trying to get treatment from a Chinese herbalist. Her husband did okay with his first two shots, but after his booster, got vertigo so bad he had to crawl through his own house for a few weeks. He can walk now, but still gets vertigo everyday. After all that he also got diagnosed with COVID and was sick for a while. I've been writing to my elected officials since the shutdowns began, first about loss of liberty and individual freedoms, and then my concerns over the warp speed injections. I was afraid at the beginning, but was also suspicious about the way it's been handled, and remain suspicious to this day.
That’s encouraging. My best friend of decades same thing - accused me of being a naive conspiracy theorist and stopped talking to me because I wouldn’t get vaccinated. Very sad. Does your friend recognize the connection with the vaccines? I find it astonishing that loved ones can be dealing with chronic unusual ailments or even death and still fail to see the connection.
Yes she is aware of the vaccine injury both she and her husband have both suffered. We had a good talk, and both expressed that we feel like we're in a spiritual war with evil.
Yes it is amazing; isnt it?
Did your pharmacist friend apologize to you? Or concede you were right?
yes she did!!
I'm so sorry, Ennis.
' His lungs were scarred and his kidneys were shutting down.'
Was he on Remdesivir in hospital?
They have killed lots of people with the Remdesivir poison, it destroys kidney function.
Maybe. The doctor said they tried everything. We were not able to visit until the end was inevitable. He had chronic leukaemia but doc said it was not a factor. Strange times.
Ennis, sorry about your husband. That's terrible. Can you tell us, has your regimen of supplements helped to control your other symptoms? My wife also took the Moderna, and I am thinking that a Z-Stack protocol, like yours, might be a good prophylaxis.
Flccc.net has a new protocol for people that are vaccinated
Thank you, Angelique. That website is very helpful as it has a list of suggested medicines that can help people who took the C19 injections. One interesting suggestion was fasting. That, too, can be beneficial.
I was following Dr Campbell and he very early on recommended Vitamin D. I was impressed with the interview he had with Tess Lawrie and the use of ivermectin but it was not available in Canada and was categorized as horse dewormer. We are/were retired so lived a quiet life and thought we had it beat. I was more invested in supplements than my husband but he took Vitamin D. I saw no reason to have a booster as we were not planning to travel. I had no plan for a second shot and was aware that the Moderna was stronger 100 vs 30. How does this factor in? People are different sizes and have different immune systems. Dr Campbell talked about aspiration. Does the shot going into the blood stream rather than the muscle lead to a worse outcome. I do Vitamin D drops and started before Covid. Just been paying attention to alternatives and hope for the best. I believe that that last Moderna induced what ultimately became pneumonia. We were walking and living normally up until the third week of January.I think it is a crying shame that alternatives were not considered.
Find an FLCCC primary care doc, if you can. I have one, concierge plan. The docs discuss, all the time, what helps. Mine got a bedridden vax-injured back to work.
That is so very sad. I hope and pray you'll recover completely. So very sorry about your husband.
Omg.. So sorry.
The childhood vaccines are causing all the allergies. They disrupt the gut barrier and they also affect the brain.
Me neither. Growing up, I never heard of a single food allergy among family, friends or kids at school. Hundreds of us kids at school ate whatever was put in front of us at lunchtime. I was in my 30s before I met someone, an American woman, who claimed to have a food allergy. She claimed to be allergic to peaches unless they were cooked. (?!) I guess there are many factors causing autoimmune illness & allergies.
I'd never given a thought to vaccines really before all this but I suspect now that the dozens of shots given to children are harming their immune systems.
I think people are too afraid to believe the truth.
It’s pretty bizarre and unbelievable. I was just thinking this last night while I was walking my dog. The agenda is so diabolical the people cannot believe it’s true. I knew it was true after I watched Plandemic The Documentary, May 2020.
My boosted relative trusts her doctors who push the jabs.
She would have to fire all her doctors.
These doctors tell her that being obese is fine.
These doctors have not noticed that she is obviously diabetic.
The truth would lead her to uncomfortable change.
I am starting to think too many doctors are a joke.
I know a really good surgeon who just moved to his farm instead of being force-jabbed. I mean, he could open a small office and do less heroic surgeries, ones that do not need a big hospital... but he just quit.
All those doctors who advised patients to jab when the docs had not read the clinical trial data, cuz Pfizer asked the FDA to keep it hidden for 75 years. All those docs who said 'it will stay in the deltoid', when there was zero evidence for that. There is no rehabilitating them. They all broke their oath. They should mass burn their diplomas.
Well insist he jack up his life insurance so you'll be on easy street once he collects his Darwin Award.
My husband is a nurse and says it was Trumps greatest achievement and references me as “ not believing in the vaccine.” Some people seem to have to learn the hard way. It’s sad to see.
Katrina, you responded to me twice. But I can’t find those posts. You want the charts? Is that the donut chart showing the deaths in unvaxed and vaxed? And also I’m in Victoria.
For some reason I can’t see a way to attach something. Someone said click the three dots. But doing that doesn’t work on my feed. If you want me to send you the donut charts send me an email. I’m wstevencox@gmail.com. (William is my first name, but I’ve always gone by Steve.)
I think sharing recent data (from Walgreens or otherwise) showing vaccination actually makes it *more likely* to get infected with current variants would also be effegtive.
Hasn't worked for me. "If vaxd people were more likely to get infected the govt wouldn't be encouraging people to do it."
I don't know what they think the data is.
Government = good indeed.
So my advise is always not go into that. The "we did not know" but "it turns out for some groups it is less safe than we thought", and mention young males. Then explain 1 in 5000 gets myocarditis, even if it is mild that means mild heart scaring. So "just as we now know it does not protect against getting/spreading" we now know "for some people it is a bit less safe than we thought". You could add Moderna is for that reason not advised for younger people in various EU countries. Goal, try to get them to see the risk is real and bigger than "we thought".
My point, don't attack the big picture! Trying to collapse the world view at once will lead to you being rejected. Get to the "we really thought it was safe/effective, but we now know it is a bit more complicated" first. Then you can slowly introduce more problematic facts.
The first goal is getting them onto the right side.
Wow, you’re technique is extremely patient and caring. I was trying something similar until those morons started passing laws barring us from society and not a single one of my old friends or family members was bothered to even have a rational discussion with me at that time. Then I gave up on patience and empathy and basically decided, “If you don’t want me in society then you won’t be hearing from me again.” Many broken relationships in my world in the past year.
Thanks, but I certainly have a number of destroyed, or “only talk about the weather” relationships now as well. For me, I’m trying to be forgiving for those who were brainwashed but for those who aggressively supported vax mandates with scathingly ignorant rants on social media, they’re essentially dead to me.
"Then explain 1 in 5000 gets myocarditis" - only 1 in 5,000? I'm sure it's much higher than that. ! in 5000 doesn't sound nearly scary enough to get people's attention surely?
I put together a white paper showing data from UK Surveillance, Ontario, Placer County CA and Walgreens to show my doctor (who requires masks only on unvaccinated) that the vaxxed are bigger spreaders. She said she’d read it but this far no response.
I also put together two emails using Walgreens and UK Surveillance and was demonized for attacking the owner of a pottery studio I was trying to rejoin. The cognitive dissonance is stunning.
Admittedly my white papers have only had influence on those who are open minded and cynical of govt. propaganda.
I did something yesterday and today that has, I think, worked a bit. The B.C. Gov has put out a chart for April that shows five donut charts. Percent vaxed. Cases. Hospitalizations. Critical care. Deaths. Each donut chart shows unvaxed, 1 shot, 2 shots, 3 shots. The percent of unvaxed in the general population is 14%. Triple vaxed as of April 2022 was 51%. The interesting chart is deaths. Unvaxed deaths 7%. But the worst is triple vaxed at 76%! If a triple vaxed gets COVID he is 3x more likely to die of COVID as is an unvaxed person. I told that to two people. It freaked them out. I said ‘if you and I get COVID you are 3x more likely to die than I am.’ Their whole rationale was to NOT die. I have had so many old boomers say ‘I want to be alive so I can have watch my grandkids grow up.’ I say ‘I know you want to watch your grandkids grow up. Each shot lessens that possibility.’
It's the elderly who are triple jabbed. Are those deaths due to the clot shot or age?
I know lots of non elderly triple jabbbed. 51% of B.C. is triple jabbed. The elderly might be 15% of that. However one could make the argument this is normal
Elderly dying. But that isn’t the case. These are COVID deaths. Not all cause mortality deaths. If the jab worked their COVID deaths would be near zero.
Anything to do with direct personal experience that underscores the science theme is helpful to those that know you.
I try to plant seeds by talking about it indirectly. Like I will ask if they have seen the movie The Dallas Buyers Club. If they have, then we can discuss the morally corrupt government bureaucrats in the movie. Then mention that the bureaucrat running everything back then was Dr. Fauci.
Hey as for David Charalambous, here’s an interview from yesterday with Aubrey Marcus
https://youtu.be/cr1ypyA_z1o
It was another unconscionable lie that getting vaxxed helped others. Why so many believed it is beyond me.
Just FYI, they did careful message research to find the most effective manipulative messaging possible, using social psychology and testing messages with small groups. “We’re all in it together”, “Don’t kill grandma”, “Safe and effective”, “your mask protects me” etc. All planned, all tested, all deployed to use normal social relationships- peer pressure, trusted authorities, majoritarian thinking, desire to belong, group identity- to drive compliance and mass vaccinations. All planned, all tested, all disseminated in a carefully coordinated message campaign...We shouldn’t malign honest people who are trusting and want to do the right thing, but save our condemnation for those who consciously plan to abuse public trust and goodwill.
Psy-ops against its own citizens. Western GOV now tortures and persecutes its own peoples with the sycophantic chant of the MSM.
Take New Zealand, Australia and Canada, straitjacketed basket cases run by politicised murdering dull witted, rainbow tinted criminals marching to the droning drum beat of WEF control and destitution.
I'm having trouble 'liking' posts on this substack.. I like your post (Australian).
Same. Its like a passive aggressive censorship thing...
"Western GOV now tortures and persecutes its own peoples"
When have they not? That's what governments do.
Yup. Small bites. Let things sit.
None of this could’ve happened without the complicit mainstream media, including and especially, the New York Times! A favorite of the pseudo intellectuals, imho. By the way, this is not the first time they do this. They’re guilty of this when Stalin starved 5 million people. They played it down!
Good point! Another strategy I use is to bring up something I heard during a senate hearing or confirmation. My legacy media friends enviably are surprised, responding they never heard that. I pass on a link showing the conversation or interaction. It plants a seed.
Maybe they’ll eventually figure out the legacy media doesn’t do a very good job
Mainstream media is strangling in conflicts of interest.
Jim Smith, whose bio includes : President and Chief Executive Officer of Thomson Reuters, a provider of intelligent information for businesses and professionals from 2012 through March 2020, and its Chief Operating Officer from September 2011 to December 2011, and Chief Executive Officer, Thomson Reuters Professional Division, from 2008 to 2011.
Oh and he's also on the Board of Pfizer! So qualified!
WTH Is wrong with these people? Do they live, eat and breathe money at the cost of human life?
I don't think they are people like you and me. They are psychopaths. They do not have a conscience. They have no part of them that would feel bad or guilty if they hurt someone. People think all the psychopaths are the psychopathic killers locked up in jails. The only difference between those in prison and these "people" is psychopaths in prison don't mind getting their hands dirty while Fausti and ilk are more fastidious and find more "creative" ways to do the killing. I think it's very hard for most people to think that there are actually people like this.
Thank God I don’t have little children now or grandchildren, or I would be a dangerous psycho!!
For the shareholders, the glory, and yes, cash. Collateral damage is just a line item.
No but you’re nobody to them. Just some stats on a page. Power means never having to admit a mistake. For those not at the top, it’s go along to get along.
The CEO of the NYT was the former DG of the BBC, an Englishman, Mark Thompson. Elite WEF Rainbow corporate globalists just everywhere at the moment, most notably in media.
That explains a lot!
I started to realize about four years ago that mainstream media was often lying, mostly through omission of relevant details that could/would negate their one-sided argument on any given issue. At the time I predicted that eventually many of my relationships would fracture if my friends didn’t have the same revelation I had. Unfortunately that prediction proved true.
It may actually be a blessing in disguise. Create new relationships with those that align with your revelations. That is what I have done.
1% reported is not small. And we know many more times are unreported. From my observation almost everybody is affected in some way, negatively.
Excellent! I saw a very shortened version of this last year or the year before. Let’s see if I can red pill anybody with this video!
Thank you, Miriam; I have seen this before but I still watched it until the end :-)...
The first thing that made me against COVD vaccines was an article posted by the Salk institute that the Spike protein was an agent of disease that could effect the heart, brain, lungs, and other vascular tissue.
That did it for me too. It's amazing to me that most people, including my ob-gyn, don't know about this and they certainly don't want to hear about it. My husband got the first two Pfizer shots in Jan/Feb 2021 against my wishes, but I've been going on and on about the spike protein since then and so far he hasn't gotten any boosters.
Also we, and just about everyone we know (all vaccinated but me), got Covid last month. I asked him, "do people still actually think the shots work?" I mean, seriously, how can they? I think it was Alex Berenson who said something like, "if the shots work, why aren't they working?"
I’ve lost my brother’s relationship because of this vaccine controversy as well as some acquaintances. It’s so sad! My friends son works for politico and hasn’t seen his parents for almost 3 years. Another friends has had disagreements with her children Bc of these shots and politics! Horrible! The politico son has worn 2 masks and was so angry his parents didn’t get the shots!
That is so heartbreaking, but I commend them for doing what is best for them. No doubt he would not appreciate two disabled dependent parents either.
I guess you haven’t read the research and the adverse reactions and deaths. Have you heard of the VAERS?
Not sure you understand my comment or context. I was suggesting the decision to not be vaccinated was possibly preventing the subjects in question from harm. I absolutely have read VAERS and done much research as I was hurt by 2 non Covid shots., and agree the shots and coercion around them are violations of Nuremberg.
Ok
My friends son was super angry at his parents for not being vaxed. Every conversation began with it. His GF now has chronic bleeding and other menstrual issues. He had a sudden attack of pancreatitis four days after a jab. They both feel awful 24/7. And this has been going on for months. They are both agreeing the jab caused it all. They aren’t fully red pilled, but they don’t push the vax any more.
He lives across the street and down five houses. The woman across the street, super fit distance runner has myocarditis. Says it’s ‘Long COVID’ even though she’s triple vaxed. She won’t accept it’s the jab.
There’s a slight incline on our street. 4%? It is painful to watch her struggling to walk up it. And she was super athletic before.
Until someone close has an adverse reaction, the believers will keep coming back for more jabs.
Si sorry! But they need to report it! Pass on this info to save others! Tell their drs!
Thank goodness my 72 year old husband is against drugs and these shots, with his negativity, my holistic practitioners and 2 friends and research, I didn’t get these shots. I got Covid this past end of January into February (got it from our son )but got thru it with ivermectin, vitamins and holistic practitioners’ support. My immune system is good as I was a teacher for many years!
True enough, K. Lee. But Alex was wrong for a specific reason. The shots ARE working exactly as intended. Best wishes to your husband. My wife is in the same boat, and I hate the constant back-of-the-mind worry for her long-term safety.
Best wishes to your wife too, Jeffrey. I looked up my husband's lots and they were both among the bad ones. He had zero immediate side effects, fortunately. Maybe they didn't mix the vial very well and he'll be lucky.
Here is the link:https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/
Is anyone else having trouble opening this?? Is it me or my suspicious mind- but I seem to be having more trouble connecting to the internet or certain sites these days?
I’m almost 100% convinced that my internet service provider somehow restricts access to certain sites. Yes, there are certain sites that seem slow to load or refresh so frequently that they are impossible to load.
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But of course they do. Get a VPN.
I am sorry. I don’t understand how hiding my location from my internet provider will keep them from restricting what sites show up in my searches (yep, already use Duck Duck Go). But maybe I don’t understand enough about VPNs.
Getting a VPN is on my list of things to do this summer.
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Ditch DDG, it has been compromised ages ago.
Browser:
https://brave.com/download/
Search engines:
https://private.sh/ - general.
https://peekier.com/ - general.
https://www.seekr.com/ - general.
https://opencorporates.com/ - companies search engine.
https://www.oldmapsonline.org/ - old maps search engine.
http://pdfyes.com/ - PDF search engine.
http://www.onstrat.com/osint/ - internet tools and resources for open source intel.
https://tineye.com/ - reverse image search engine.
https://checkusernames.com/ - user names search engine.
https://archive.org/ - deleted pages search engine.
http://www.worldlii.org/ - world laws search engine.
eMail:
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Bookmarks:
https://start.me
Plenty of VPNs to choose from, take your pick online.
Opens fine for me.
A lot of big tech hate your VPN. Do you have a VPN? This has cause problems for my access to sites.
People will focus on “not like the spike protein safely encoded in vaccines.” I’d be worried to show this because the true believers think the vaccine stays in the arm.
You have to convince them that the LNPs take the protein to organs throughout the body. Those people have been imprinted by “the Science!”
You could give them a little bit to read on anything 'nano' - nano stuff is small enough to go anywhere and everywhere. I couldn't believe they were injecting nano LNP that could transfect cells, directly into people - insane or murderous.
Yes, I know some LNPs were developed to cross bbb to deliver meds to brain. Hopefully , they would believe that.
This editorial insertion disturbed me. It’s not in the paper, and where is the proof? See what’s added in parentheses:
“Now, a major new study shows that the virus spike proteins (which behave very differently than those safely encoded by vaccines) also play a key role in the disease itself.”
“They” (lol) have been saying the spike proteins in the Shots are different, but they don’t say different worse. I guess “they ain’t lying!” Except of course by omission. I just want to know how many doctors know about this crap and still tell you to get the shots. The doctor I left told me it was safe when all the time I knew it wasn’t. Did she know? Is she stupid or sold? Either way, I figure I don’t need that kind of doc.
I’ve been thru 4 primary care doctors; trying to find a fifth one; holistic Chinese one is next!
I caught that to. Totally untrue. Such an unnecessary lie that revealed more than intended...
It is different, in that it used artificial substitutions to make it more stable, which has the effect of making it more persistent in the body, and more resistant to breakdown and removal. So, it might be 'safely encoded' in a stability sense, but it's not safe in circulation.
It keeps on replicating with no off-switch in place. A synthetic viral replicator. Does anyone think that sounds good? That is a 'good doctor''s quote by the way, can't remember who, maybe Dr Ryan Cole.
exposure to spike is dangerous repeated exposure is russian roullette!
It's almost as dangerous as shooting a scene with Alec Baldwin.
This article is the one that made me think "wow, now I have the evidence that the vax is not safe". But when I tried to use the same article to convince others not to take it, it didn't work. I think the main reason/difference is that my judgement was based on analysis and logic, while most others decide by listening to authority (CDC/Fauci) or following peers.
Jean, you know what is truly terrifying?
We've learned firsthand that FEAR can trump all logic and reason.
Agree. The real virus is fear.
Fear? A lot of women really like doctors. They show off by saying they went to a specialist. They like discussing their doctors visits. "MY pediatrician says"...
Specialists show how wealthy and important they are, I guess.
You wanna see a woman's face fall? Reply "I don't have a pediatrician; the kids are never sick."
Apparently FEAR sells even better than SEX!
Well, Jean, I think Steve Kirsch wrote a substack a couple months ago referencing the Asch psychological experiments that showed that something like 62% of people immediately surrender to peer pressure. That is probably close to the percentage of our Nation that took the jabs.
Once it went 'mandated' it was the threat of losing the ability to have a roof over one's head and food in the tum-tums of kiddos. That's when it went beyond choice for some people.
Despicable.
Actually I also had a mandate from workplace (for two shots and a booster). In my workplace there was increasing pressure built up through the summer for the vax and the mandate was official in November. At that time I was ready to fight and have prepared myself to the possibility that I may lose my job over this. I did my research and I used a religious exemption. Jeff Childers wrote in his Coffee & Covid substack an excellent article on how to use religious exemption for the mandate.
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/guide-to-employer-injection-ultimatums
My religious exemption went through -- I need to admit that it is not easy to find a replacement for my position, and I have savings and skills. I can imagine other ways of making money for the family. So other people may not have the same luxury and luck as I had. While I personally don't blame people for choosing the jab to save their job, I need to say it is not a wise decision to take the jab to just keep the job. Let's analyze it.
1. you may be injured by the jab, and then you will also lose the job and the ability to take any other jobs.
2. even if the jab is harmless, say saline, it is utterly wrong that employer or the government can force a shot on you. If this is allowed, what kind of freedom do we still have? nothing!
3. the only way for the mandate to go away, is simply that people do not comply. It is just that easy.
Recall the southwest airline dropped the mandate since many people simply didn't take the jab? New York state dropped the booster mandate on medical staff half an hour before the deadline -- again, simply because too many people were ready to walk away over the shot. University of Chicago forced a mandate for all students and faculty, except faculty and medical staff in UC hospital. Why? because the doctors threatened to leave if there is a mandate.
It is pathetic and heart breaking that in many occasions people who were against the vax were not able to organize themselves to fight the mandate -- thanks to the censorship and brainwashing of the mainstream media. I hope after all these, more people can wake up and see through this huge clown show.
The last thing I want to say is regarding the college students. Vax mandate is still there as we speak, for a majority of universities, many including the mandate for a booster. (ps, now the second booster is out, are the universities going to mandate another booster? such a joke). And I just couldn't figure this out. Parents pay a huge amount of money (could be 80K a year for some private colleges) for the college to mandate their child for this harmful shot? It is different from the jab or job case where you take the jab to get paid, and here you take the jab in order to pay them. It simply makes no sense!
Well I do understand that there is a huge sink cost for these college kids and their parents. And for some elite colleges that are hard to get in, there are hundreds of thousands of other kids who are ready to take the jab (or have already taken the jab) and want that slot. And, they may say, many others have taken the jab and they are OK (i.e., not dropping dead yet).
But now we do hear stories such as college athletes dropping dead on the field, or in their sleep. Are people awake now?
Basically as of today I realize that how terrible the education system has become and I am horrified by the damages the education system has done to our younger generation. College kids are supposed to be one of the most rebellious groups of the society. But no, they are apparently the most obedient group and have terribly failed this real world test on intelligence and courage. And ironically, the most prestigious universities, the ones that are supposed to be full of smart kids and are proud of educating the future "leaders", have scored the worst. I have seen protests to the vax mandate in many state colleges but not a single one in the Ivy leagues. Ha. For example, Princeton university, often ranked as the best college in the US, force three doses for all students and faculty, mandate mask all the time, two covid tests per week for everyone (three tests for unvaxxed), and forbid students from leaving the county. You tell me, isn't this a prison? And you would wonder that students must protest this absurd policy like hell, right? No. No one questioned the vax mandate. The only thing I find is an article on student newspaper that plead the university to drop the covid test for asymptomatic ones. Coward. And pathetic. (ps, Princeton has invited Fauci for the graduation ceremony this year). No wonder.
I hope more people can see how deep the trouble we are in now. Only when people realize the problem can we possibly start to fix it.
Brilliantly and succinctly stated.
I home schooled my daughter when it wasn't 'cool' in the 80s and 90s. I think a lot of parents are waking up and realizing the 'school system' is a hot mess. The 'medical community' is a hot mess. All of it has been infiltrated by humanity destroyers but those same a-holes woke some of us up enough to see that our trust was blind. NEVER AGAIN.
True. Never again. The past two years were truly eye opening for me.
Agreed! Did you see that 10,000 flights were canceled last weekend?! Something like 30% of flight crews said NO to the jabs and got fired. Now Pete the Transportation Secretary thinks he can order Airlines to hire workers. Let's see, I can return to work and fly the plane, but I have to risk a life-threatening shot to do so, or I can stay home and wait this one out....Dear Leader Brandon and his DC Flight Crew are finding out pilots don't grow on trees!
It's unconscionable.
Survive today maybe. Die tomorrow for certain. <--That's not an effing CHOICE, that's someone with their boot on your throat.
The mandate and coercion told me EVERYTHING I needed to know about the safely (lack thereof) of the shot. And it told me everything I needed to know about the larger plan and the motive. Nothing benign has to be forced. Everything malignant needs to be forced. That’s my credo and it has served me well.
That is exactly to the syllable my reaction too. It has served us well for the time being. Not much fun watching the 'walking dead' disappear tho'. I noticed years back that the film industry kept presaging the worst developments of the future—they know a thing or two from cabal grape-vine droppings ... The Terminator now in our sights and still Mad Max to go! 😎
Since I was a teenager watching those movies for the first time, I KNEW that a dystopian future (or at least a determined attempt at one) was inevitable. It’s human nature that power corrupts, and begets more desire for more power. I’ve been on high alert ever since!
Free-thinking is key to reason and good sense. A remnant of the Renaissance. We are at the end of Western Civilization ...
When I fully realized that vaccines had become 'faith based' pants on fire science, I was pretty much like, "You're not gonna Monsanto my tuckus".
The vile scourgey, ickers, nasty, barfy evil scum behind this can fire up their 5g and microwave their own scorched 'global climate change' earth barely cognizant brain cells. Eff 'em. Eff 'em all.
The self-inflicted wound of gullibility shouldn't have to be a Turing test or an I.Q. task master but here we are...swimming with stupid. It's tiresome to a certain point. You want to be a good person but after enough EVIDENCE and the derpers are still derping...you're like, "FINE! Jump off the cliff, dumbass!"
I think this is a winner. In addition the vaxxed are witnessing serious adverse events affecting all of these organs.
Can you please share that article? I did not need that, but I would like to share it with others who are still getting boosters.
https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/
Just read the first paragraph of the article where it says, " Now, a major new study shows that the virus spike proteins (which behave very differently than those safely encoded by vaccines)" That would be enough for a "believer" to close their minds.
I'm CERTAIN that phrase was not in the original article.
http://web.archive.org/web/20210430171112/https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/
Oh my gosh, thank you for finding that!
oooo! How a few words can change everything! Is there a way to go back and look?
I went back to look at another forum where I posted that article when it first came out. My post is no longer there.
Yeah I referred to this too. Infuriating because there is actually no evidence of “safely encoded” spike proteins. Totally gratuitous and most likely incorrect.
Thank you!!
I am a plain ol' anti-vaxxer. I just didn't vax the kiddos and I have not had a vax since 1955. Kids were always healthy.
Never crossed my mind to covid vax.
Smart mamma! You are vaccine educated and informed. How did you first learn about natural health?
I have not had a shot since childhood so probably 1965 before I started grade school. I learned of the dangers of childhood vaccines after the birth of my second daughter, 30 years ago.
Never crossed my mind either. I knew the quackcines were the endgame and a means to controlling the masses through vaccine passports and credit systems like the Chinese utilize!
Thanks, myriam. Probably having children made me very interested… did not like to see babies on non-stop liquid Tylenol.
I hope your daughter was unharmed by the vaxxes. I have met a lot of moms with childhood vaccine injured children.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210501153712/https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/
But, you had firstly to know about the ferrets. 🤷♀️
Right and this is where our poor excuse for journalism comes in ...
But looking wasn't that hard. A few clicks.
Let's thank our lucky stars that the ferrets were not lemmings. Because if they were, they might watch the MSM and all run out to take some experimental spike protein jabs. Oh, wait a minute...
Yes. You sum up the situation nicely, including the part about not being as questioning re other historical vaccinations but now knowing they are also bad.
I have to put myself in the “knew it wasn’t possible to develop a new v so fast” plus “they’ve been trying to vaccinate against common cold for forty years without success so how do they think they can do it now” camp. Early on, I had NO IDEA that these things would be so devastatingly harmful or deadly.
I would not have gone looking for “ferret studies” except for hearing about them in summer/fall 2020 from Dr Lee Merritt. She was the first reasonable sounding, not tin foil hat sounding person that I heard speaking about all of this.
Not that she was the first to speak. Just the first one *I* heard.
And, clearly, the tin foil hat people have, unfortunately, been proven right after all anyway.
Jonestown was cynanide laced punch, hence "drinking the Kool-Aid".
Courtesy of google.
They do not
They always show us. Most do not look.
That's where I learned what could possibly go wrong with their wonderful new invention. This is the worst possible scenario: nerds with big financial backing.
That was a RED FLAG
‘Why aren’t you vaxed?’ ‘All the animals they gave it to died, over time’. ‘Okay, but other than that?’
I conduct leadership development workshops for mid-career physicians. In January of 2021, I was leading a workshop with 12 physicians and we were having the “must we conduct this workshop all wearing masks?” discussion. They were all Vaxxed and I had just had a negative test (and we had a humidifier and two HEPA air filters running in the room.) one of the internal medicine docs was adamant that masks should be required as the “vaccine doesn’t prevent infection.” (Mask effectiveness is a whole different issue.) All of the other docs in the room questioned her. She cited the exact verbiage in the EUA and suggested we all go read it, which I did. The EUA documents were very clear that the vaxx did not prevent transmission, yet every public health official, politician, and bureaucrat was claiming it did. Right then, I decided that if they would lie about “effectiveness” they would also lie about “safety.” I’ve never taken the shots and never will. Regarding being able to convince others... I’ve learned that it is easier to fool someone than to convince them they have been fooled. Even telling them the story about what I learned from a physician in that workshop doesn’t work. They just look at me with a vacant state. What I am saying doesn’t compute for them. My current tactic, that has some success, is to ask questions, using the Socratic method, being extremely careful to control my tone of voice. I try to make the question sound like I am truly confused and am sincerely asking if they can help my confusion. Even this has limited success.
It is truly strange how the vaxxed--usually--will simply not hear, not see whatever rock solid information you present. This whole covid mess has been a serious education for me and my wife on human nature, psychology, medicine, and, sadly, the corrupt nature of virtually all big gov't bureaucracies.
Agreed. This journey has been both eye opening and detrimental to family relationships. I am now skeptical of ALL “authority” - public health, physicians, law enforcement, clergy, bureaucrats, media... all of them. I now assume everything is an outright lie or otherwise manipulated due to blackmail or bribery. My wife has seen the effect this journey has had on my life, and thus is resistant to turn over any rocks or look at anything critically. She doesn’t want to know, in hopes of avoiding the cataclysm I’ve experienced. She’ll do almost anything to avoid being restricted from seeing children and grandchildren. We disagree on where to draw the line in the sand and what is a “life worth living.” This has been the “Great Shaking Out” - testing the mettle and character of all of us.
Hang in there! It’s a rough and bumpy journey, but in the end finding those who stand by you can be a good feeling. I was recently at the airport in CA, 3 out of 4 random people I talked to were against the vax, it was like finding secret long lost friends!
A friend went to a birthday party in a restaurant. He’s young. This was when vax passes were mandatory. He has a genuine vax pass but never been jabbed. IE it is registered with the government. A young guy came up to him and said ‘I’m surprised to see you here. I thought you would never be vaxed’. He said ‘well I must have been, right? It’s not like there is any workaround to getting a pass’. The friend laughed and said ‘yup. Me too. Where’d you get yours?’ They both were fake vaxed. In total there were twenty young men at the party. My friend only knew six. All six were fake vaxed. ALL SIX! I’m wondering how wide spread this is.
I thank my innate tendency to question authority for saving me from these kill shots. Since I was a child, I've had it (got called in to the principal's office more than once in school, bucked many bosses over the years, etc.) Some people just follow. I always have to ask WTH should I?
Sounds a lot like me!
I just read a comment elsewhere that really struck me as well. While it's difficult to see God's hand in any of this..I was reminded that it won't be the irrational, seemingly hypnotised and often hysterical Covidian adults that reap the harvest here. It will be the children who remember who took the poison and who didn't. In the future, it will be the children that will by then be well aware of who told the real lies and who didn't. Who dragged them off to be jabbed and who didn't. Who "died suddenly" and who didn't. Who agreed with and blindly followed the "experts" and who didn't. Who fought the good fight and who caved in.. From that perspective, God's hands are all over this.
I love this approach. From your lips to God’s ears.
What is so surprising to me that only 5% of staff out of 10,000 health care professionals in BC Canada in the region that I worked in refused the experimental product on offer. No questions....shocking that they are following the fake science and so trusting. Not me as I refused to be a lab rat
I think Canadian Federal employees it is something like 98% vaxed. If you can believe their numbers. Which are doubtful. I’ve heard from a reliable source Doug Ford and his staff ARENT vaxed. But say they are. The same source said they say 85% double vaxed in Ontario but the source, in DFs office, say it is way under that.
And once your eyes are open you can't un-see! Years ago, I used to assume the media reported stories/issues because they were of interest to people, or important...
Now I just think: "Uhuh, so what's the agenda here? - why are they making a big thing about (whatever subject)? Why are they telling us all to focus on this thing and not another?" The clearest examples for me have been the Russia-Russia hoax, 24/7, month after month, & the huge hoo-ha about some people going into the Capitol 18 months ago whereas the media totally downplayed sustained riots, arson & murder in Portland & Seattle.
Agreed. Research the term, “Operation Mockingbird.” Or, the $1B the US government paid to MSM to hype the jabs.
I will never forget CNN, from one day to the next, telling me 24/7 that sadam hussein was as bad as hitler. I immediately understood that Wolf Blitzer was working for the US Military to psych us up for the war they had planned and wanted.
I stopped trusting CNN completely after that. I had trusted them before.
Then, they would call your experience with this your "Red Pill". Welcome to the rabbit hole.
Absolutely
Yes; its called denial and cognitive dissonance!
And Mass Formation (Psychosis)
Yes and that’s precisely why some don’t dare question the orthodoxy. They prefer not to have their illusions destroyed. Some choose the blue pill.
I ask questions, too! I ask:
1) Do you know what are all the ingredients? (someone eventually sent me a link from some website, but it's not from the site of a manufacturer)
2) Do you know what the long-term effects/potential risks are?
They obviously don't know, and I find that triggers them to automatically have some self-doubt. I find at this point asking them questions and involving them in the inquisitive exercise is better than bombarding them with information (which I've tried, too 😂.)
Curious what questions you ask :). ...?
1. I’m trying to understand why the most Vaxxed countries in the world also have the highest number of infections. (I keep a photo of the charts from Our World in Data on my phone). Do you have any insight on this that would help me understand?
2. I’m wondering why the Scandinavian countries prohibit teenagers and children from taking mRNA shots, but the US just approved it for children as young as 6 months. Do you know what data they have that the US doesn’t?
3. I’m really confused about cruise ships. All the crew are Vaxxed, and passengers can’t get on board without proof of vaccination and a negative COVID test, yet they still have outbreaks while at sea. If the shots work, How can that be? What do you think is happening?
4. Dr. Fauci has had 4 Covid shots but still caught COVID. I wonder why. Do you think it was a new strain, or is there something wrong with the shots? What do you think?
My initial questions are all about effectiveness. If that opens a dialogue I then use questions about safety.
Hi Stephen, I really like your response I think I will use it to dialogue with my 26yr old highly educated niece (just grad USC in public health and so uses "when you have a masters in healthcare.." in any discussion re vax)
I was wondering if you could take a min and also guide me in the safety Q's you ask?
I made huge strides last night with my vaxxed 21yr old, got her to watch the documentary Infertility (WHO using 'tetanus' shots to sterilize wmn in Africa) - bc the topic wasn't 'Covid' she watched it...same nefarious playbook so I am approaching the problem sideways.
Infertility: https://www.brighteon.com/b29105c7-9e0d-4c6b-b5ab-2da7f52f3d35
"highly educated niece"
We all know that doesn't equate to wisdom.
Even as recent as today , the vaxxed say, “these shots and boosters keep you from going into the hospital!” No they dont! But you don’t see this anywhere!
Question I use: Every celebrity and politician that is triple jabbed, when they catch COVID, says, “Thankful to be triple jabbed, otherwise it could have been so much worse.” I’m really confused as to how they know it would have been worse. How do they prove that using the scientific method? I’ve never seen any peer reviewed studies on “would have been worse,” have you?
These are awesome! I'm adding them to my repertoire, thank you! Do you have a link to that chart/graph? I just searched for it but didn't come across it. Thanks!
Email me: steve@usaclean.biz. I’ll send them to you.
Thank you!
Yes, that's the response I'm getting gain and again. "It limits the symptoms and prevents hospitalization" It's a cold! Remember colds and flus??? And the spike protein is for the original strain and doesn't recognize the variants. That always gets a "That's just not true" response. The withholding and banning of early treatment with so many truly safe and effective life saving drugs throughout this mess is a true crime against humanity. Especially during the first year when waiting for the "miracle vaccine" and we were told, if sick, to go home, take some Tylenol and if you start to turn blue, go to the hospital, where you would most likely die form the protocol.And the continued campaign to discredit these drugs and the doctors using them is unconscionable.
Good ideas! A little late for most people now; however, they’ll be offering another set of shots in the fall for omicron
I think that asking “innocent” questions is probably the way to go.
I’ve not had much opportunity to practice that.
And, by nature I like to dispense what I know to others... 🤪 so it’s really, really hard for me to not go into dispense mode. Which, for nearly all of us, is not going to open our minds to information that contradicts our paradigms and current beliefs.
Same with me!
Yep it’s an opportunity for us to learn some new skills. Asking questions seems a good start
I remember watching a video of someone going into the pharmacist and ' innocently ' asking him if he had read the vaccine insert for the vaccines he was dispensing . He had not and went looking for one . After he read and shared it with her , he was horrified at what he had been unknowingly giving people! I think he stopped the vax program at his pharmacy, but how about that -NOT reading up on a drug you are dispensing in large numbers??!! Interested if there is still an insert ....
There were no inserts! Is there now?
Maybe at the beginning or some manufacturers? I will try see if I can find the vid
I have information on other vaccines’ ingredients but where do we find these shots’ ingredients? Is there an insert?
And it’s difficult for passionate types!
My mid 80 year old parents were most likely going to take the shot. My dad more so than my mom. I called every day with more information. I emailed articles about it's dangers. They are both in excellent health and I finally convinced them NOT to take the death shot!
That is dedicated, and I'm really glad for them and you. My parents were fully covidian and covid related topics became impossible to talk about with them. I didn't even try to talk them out of the vaccine, and just hoped they would allow me to see them more after the vax. My dad died two months after Moderna from multiple organ failure of no known cause (kidneys, liver, heart, and brain - he had dementia like symptoms including hallucinations). Both my dad's doses were so called "hot lots," particularly bad batches of vaccine. He was 72. You never know, you may have saved one of your parents' lives.
Sorry about it
Sheesh. I’m 71. That’s young. I’m sorry for your loss.
😢
Sorry to hear that. I wonder how many people in 50's or 60's are having dementia like symptoms post booster.
Thank you
So so sorry! You’ll never know the truth! Only 72??
I know your pain. My ex husband died back in Oct 2021. After 2 Modernas!! Multiple cancers. Even Yale New Haven Couldnt diagnose types. From diagnoses to death. 3 weeks. My grown children are heartbroken. I ache for them to this day.
I'm so sorry to hear that. I wish the best for your kids.
Thank you ever so much!
Ps.. He was 60
Nice job Denise! I have had no such luck with my parents.. They are a bit younger though and seem to "know everything".
Being older I was more afraid of the shot doing them harm. My dad is funny. We all had Omicron after Christmas. My 84 year old dad was sick for 3 days. He now has antibodies. He asked if that meant he had "it". I said yes. He looked puzzled and said "but we didn't die"! They really have brainwashed people!
The friend I have who manages clinical drug trials is 110% convinced that if you have c0vid, you will die from it, and that death from c0vid is worse than death from cancer. And she's supposedly "intelligent."
And got vaxxed/ boosted after SHE thinks she had c0vid.
Some people are just smart enough to think they know everything, but not actually smart enough to know what they don’t know.
Some people memorize well. They can regurgitate at will all their trusted sources. In fact, they are as intelligent as a tape recorder. (Showing my age.).
Haha! True. They vomit words that mean nothing!
I tried to convince my sister in law and a friend. Had long conversations about the dangers, shared information. In the end, the former took the advice of her doctor, and the latter was convinced by a different friend that it was the right thing to do.
I'm impressed! I know if my mother were still alive she would have been first in line to show support for the effort and nothing I could have said would have cause her to hesitate. She died in 2018, up to date on every shot available at the time. Never missed a flu shot, either.
My mom would have too. The reason I've never had a flu shot is because she got one every year and always got flu-like symptoms from them!
I’m 71. Most of my cohort are flu shotted every year. Some aren’t. Those of us who aren’t NEVER get the flu. My vaxed acquaintances get the flu every year. But ‘it would have been worse without the vaccine’.
For some it was virtue signaling. Which I despise but a lot of people are into, apparently
Same here!! No boosters at least.
Nice, Denise!
My main pursuade e forts have been to have parents not give the vaccine to children. What has been most helpful here are Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Germany limiting or banning Moderna for children. Progressives (my social pool) view Scandinavian and Norther European as educated, enlightened, and trustworthy. If they ban Moderna for kids, then there “must” be a good reason why!
I would love to see a 1 page compilation, with links, to every European country that has banned Moderna for kids. I would happily print out 1,000 and put them in mailboxes...
I started learning about the dangers of vaccines 30 years ago when I had my second daughter. I stopped vaccinating her at three months due to adverse effects. I did not vaccinate my last two children who were born at home.
I spoke nonstop about this to family and friends starting in 2020 when I heard that vaccinating everyone, was our only way out.
I sent my 4 daughters a multitude of articles, videos and podcasts to inform them of what was taking place, but they didn’t believe me. My youngest daughter who lives with me, would hear me on zoom calls with FLCCC and Steve Kirsch, plus my conversations with friends and decided not to get any more shots. She had two, despite all my warnings. She wanted to be able to travel freely. My second eldest has told me the same. I sent her and her partner an inordinate amount of information, which my daughter would not pay attention to, but her partner did, thank God. They got their first two shots more than a year ago and are not getting anymore. They live in New York City and eat out and socialize a great deal. My eldest daughter never got the shots. Only one out of four, really listened to me.
I am dealing with the anguish of my third daughter who lives in DC and has become oppositional defiant of my recommendations, even though she was born at home, not vaccinated and breast-fed for three years. I have no idea how many shots she has taken but she is having massive blood clots from her uterus. She’s 26 and wants to have children. She claims this happened after she had Covid but it probably happened after she had a booster. She will not disclose that to me.
There are so many excellent articles and videos to share with people. One of my favorites is the article written by retired neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock. Most people will not read data, do not understand it, nor think they need to.
My two older sisters and I were all on the same page since the beginning of the Plandemic so thankfully I did not have to convince them of anything. Unfortunately my best friends from childhood and high school did not believe me.
I posted everything I could on Facebook starting in May 2020. Many of my posts were flagged and I was put in Facebook jail a few times. I ended up deleting Facebook out of frustration in seeing so many highly educated, intelligent friends with masks on in their profiles and “I took my shot” frames. It was affecting my mental health.
nothing can penetrate those programmed brains
So, for a lot of people here, me included, you were crazy. Now we see.
🙏🏼🙏🏼My intuition is crazy strong!
Myriam, none of this is good for our mental health. Maybe we can draw some inspiration from the little ditty "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger!". My apologies. Now everyone on this thread will have that song stuck in their heads tonight.
I’m definitely stronger
Just saw a nurse friend of mine at the grocery store, she became very ill with chest pain and tachycardia after her jab that lasted about a month. Took the second due to work mandate and got same symptoms again. After several months she now has joint pain and muscle weakness and believes the government is trying to kill off part of world population! She asked how I was and told her I’m not vaxed got an exemption and worked as a hospitalist throughout the whole shit show. I told her I work extra hours because the vaxed and boosted doctors got Covid again and some for a second time. She wishes she never got vaccinated and very angry she doesn’t feel well. She asked if I knew one of the doctor’s kids died in her sleep after the shot and I told her yes. I told her that the doctor needs to speak up but probably won’t because many are hypnotized. She told me some doctors are starting to document vaccinated injuries in patients charts!!! I was so excited that there is hope left to overturn this evil madness!
This is great news! Doctors are waking up to the genocide.
I can only hope , they are the worst.
I had a bad car accident in 1987. I had to sell my businesses and was really in a lot of pain for 7 or 8 years. After a few years I went to all the ‘quacks’. All the loony fanatics. Amazingly I usually got something from them. Not enough, but enough to give me hope. The doctors were intelligent, well meaning, and sympathetic. They could do nothing. Eventually I found Ayurveda, which brought me to recovery. I studied Ayurveda and began practicing it. I also was helped with a painful side effect of the accident with homeopathy, of all things. I practiced Ayurveda and homeopathy full time for years, but I eventually needed to go back to work. I chose not to charge in my practice. Through all of that I had respect for doctors. They genuinely seemed to care when I was unhealthy. Even more so than the alternative practitioners. By and large too they were smart people. I’ve pretty much lost all respect for them now. Not of course the ones who stand up, but those are outliers. The industry though has lost its way. And if I hear one more nurse or doctor say when I question the vax, ‘Do you know how hard I work!’, I will scream. I say back, ‘No. I didn’t know that. Well that changes everything. Of course I’ll take poison because you work hard.’
Mystic William thank you for sharing that. I studied Ayurveda on my own and discussed with patients who were open to it. These people find you!
Are you a doctor @Brandon is not your bro?
Yes Myriam. Don’t hate on me.
Sad but funny!
It’s really unprecedented for healthy people to suddenly drop dead. Is this just going to get swept under the rug?
It’s been swept under the rug for months
Not to mention teens and children. However, one of the challenges we are up against is that although the severe AEs and sudden deaths are happening , they are not "common" when you look at the number of people who are jabbed up. That doesn't excuse the malfeasance, but I think it makes it harder for people to see. I know in my community there have been at least two teens who died suddenly over the past 12 months, (one running) and the other while sleeping. There have been many more in their 30s and 40s. However, they don't get the same attention.
The chronic fatigue and joint paint are more insidious as they come on more slowly and can be excused away. My colleague just told me that last week: she's been so exhausted she comes home every day from work and crashes. She also sounded congested. She is mid-40s and was boostered in the winter. Why the exhaustion? Is it because her body is battling a spike factory?
I wasn't "for" but I was not full out against, nor expecting to find what I did. My first "ah-ha"? A presentation by Dr. Bridle, Feb. '21, that discussed previous failure of corona virus vaccines and why.
Other useful resources? Berenson's pamphlet's on the original trials. That was a "wowza" (e.g., not testing subjects with symptoms). I also stumbled across Dr. McCullough and Dr. Kory, and they were both credible, informed and concerned (for different reasons - Kory was not against the vax initially; just against the squashing of early treatments). His presentation on industry-capture was significant.
As for waking others, it is important to start out really small. I ask if I can share something I have come across that I think is important.
Good places to start: article on Health Canada's regulatory arm switching to pharma-funding (90%) or Pfizer's history of fraud and current investigation. Also, AEs being mis-labelled or missing from VAERs. I haven't tried much lately, to be honest.
If people have taken the shots, they are not going to want to hear anything too negative. That will invoke their defence mechanisms, and shut down the conversation (and the friendship too)!
The main response from the vaxxed is to diss ur references, call dr McCullough a nut case! Believe it? It happened with an x friend!
That is where I respond with logic. I will share that I looked up the doc prior to the rollout, and he had a stellar rep. I also ask, why would a well-published and respected cardiologist, blow up his career on a conspiracy or whim? What does he have to gain? Lose?
Smart reply. Doctors are extremely concerned with NOT blowing up their careers.
And now they are going after his medical license and Dr. Korys as well
Dr. Hoffe did not do the vaccinations himself - he was travelling during the public health rollout to his community. On his return, he noted that many patients were suffering adverse events, including 5 or 6 people whose AEs were life-changing. He did D-dimer tests on many of his vaxxed patients, and found that 60% had micro-clotting. He reported to the provincial public health boss, Bonnie Henry, and she went into damage control, which included coercing the regulatory bodies into investigating the good doctor. (That witch hunt is still ongoing.) Recently, a FOI request for Henry's emails showed that she was well aware of the severity of many of the adverse events from the get-go.
Wow. Thanks
I remember reading about him early on and how quickly he was dismissed.
Excellent explanations !! I will share. Thank you
I’m watching this video now
It’s so scary and sad! How could this mass vaccination happen? Why don’t we hear these things in mainstream media??
The hardest people to convince in my experience are the highly educated scientists, doctors and technocrats, particularly the ones that voraciously consume NPR, NY Times, MSNBC, the New Yorker etc. I've had zero success with any of these folks, even the ones who are close relatives. My independent-thinking, skeptical friends often fall into one of these categories: alternative medicine practitioners or consumers, chiropracters, midwives, religious folks, constitutionally-minded freedom-lovers, autodidacts and the most notably parents of vaccine-injured children.
Yes, education makes most people much worse, especially if they do not work in a field where cheating is rampant, so they are used to operate in a high trust environment.
While being interviewed on "The Highwire", Desmet who wrote "Psychology of Totalitarianism" said that education actually makes a person more likely to follow the mass.
One explanation I have considered is that scientists and doctors trust and depend on a huge scientific system, so they are reluctant to believe that this system is corrupted.
It is truly devastating to recognize that the system of which one has been a part is so thoroughly corrupted. And has been for decades.
Yes, and they are owned by those systems as well.
Agree; it’s the “educated” that have succumbed and swallowed the kook aide; many bc they’re dr told them to take it! It’s the robotic doctors!!afraid to lose their licenses and jobs! I actually have a friend who’s son is a very bright emergency room dr in Minnesota . He actually told his mother after he had his pregnant wife jabbed, “it’s good for the baby!!” How did he know that? Pregnant women were never in any trials or babies either! He was brainwashed in medical school!
I read a fantastic article by a UK doctor. She'd woken up to the vax problem and to the problem with their profession. Doctors have got where they are through obedience. They believed their teachers, the information they were given, dutifully learnt it and rehearsed it and got good marks. Ditto at University and in their hospital jobs. They learn to regurgitate the information given as true.
But then there's another factor.... Every doctor/hcw experiences catastrophe - death or disablement of a patient. If they have been following the written protocols they are protected by their professional bodies. If they have gone outside them (even a murderous protocol) they could be sued.
Yes, have you heard about the Hippocratic Oath?
The avoidance of being sued seems to be a more dominant influence. I also wonder if dissenting doctors are threatened by their professional bodies with exposure of their previous 'errors'.
I too believed that CDC and the FDA maintained the highest standards, prior to 2021. My trickle of awakening came from hearing Dr. Bridle's very well-explained presentation in February 2021, on the history of failures with corona vaccines. He also unpacked the Pfizer trial, including patients who had symptoms but were never tested. One of my friends is friends with a Vet (like Bridle) and he was sharing some good articles/papers with her/me. I also read Berenson's pamphlet on the Pfizer and Moderna trials. Having some experience collecting data for pharma research in the late 90s, I was stunned. Seeing the industry capture really started to pull it together. Dr. Trozzi's testimony sealed the deal (early June, 2021). I stumbled around for two weeks in shock. Then I red-pilled my hubby, and he looked at me sideways for two weeks: like I'd just stolen his childhood. So clearly people can change their minds. Proceed with caution.
In fact, researchers Carnegie Mellon and U Pittsburgh conducted a study on whether level of education impacts decision-making re: mRNA vaccination. The study found that us PhDs are the most "vaccine hesitant" group. Like you, this hasn't been my personal experience but I was reassured by the study: https://unherd.com/thepost/the-most-vaccine-hesitant-education-group-of-all-phds/?fbclid=IwAR3qLuQZCt6wUJQL2C-Q_Z98peZrfSktS7RbAxGkY366vNCueNeBAi3K0Ns
I did try to talk some people out of it. I failed. They were vaxed. HOWEVER, a couple of young friends were hurt and the person who knew them and who I had talked to did not get his second shot. He called me and said what had happened and thanked me for talking sense into him. I don’t think he would have done this if I hadn’t planted some doubt in his mind. This was very early though. I had nothing to go on other than ‘are you nuts? This is still in experimental stage. It’s a brand new technology.’
You stated it incorrectly. You tried to talk people out of it and you SUCCEEDED (but not with everyone). Thank you for talking. You never know when you will succeed.
I actually did something over the last two days that I think had an effect. The BC Gov puts out data. April 3-30 had a donut chart. 51% of the adult pop have been triple vaxed. 14% unvaxed. But....in that four week period 76% of all
COVID deaths were in the triple vax group. Whereas only 7% of COVID deaths were in the 14% unvaxed. Which means if you are triple vaxed you have 3x the chance of dying if you get COVID than if you were unvaxed. This freaked the two people out. This is visceral for people. They were told they were going to die. That’s the motivation. When you tell them they are 3x more likely to die it KILLS the story they have in their head.
Philosophically, it harkens to that line from Shindler's List, that whosoever saves one life saves the World!
Years ago, the local Mosquito Abatement District wanted permission to spray pesticides in the forest preserve. The forest preserve refused, which prompted a MAD trustee named Susan Levy to write an angry letter to the editor, complaining that the forest preserve "is exempting itself from science and state-of-the-art abatement practice."
I wrote a tongue-in-cheek letter to the editor in response, as follows:
"I'm sure Ms. Levy is right. After all, pesticides have a long history of being safe. When DDT came out, it was very safe. Then it was banned in 1972, and Mirex and Chlordecone replaced it. Those were safe until 1977, when the government forbade their manufacture and use. They were replaced with four safe new state-of-the-art pesticides called Endrin, Aldrin, Dieldrin and Chlordane. By 1988 they were all banned and Dursban, a new breed of pesticide that was scientifically proven safe, replaced them. Now the EPA is banning Dursban. Fortunately, we have safe new alternatives to choose from.
"So shame on the Forest Preserve District for ignoring science. And how short-sighted not to take advantage of the current pesticides while they’re still safe!"
I'm sure we could create a similar history of vaccines. If anyone has any particulars of vaccines once thought safe and later banned, please post here.
That’s good
A great history of the mercury preservative in vaccines called thimerosol is in Evidence of Harm by former New York Times reporter David Kirby. What happened is that thimerosol, which is mercury, was grandfathered in as safe—no studies or one I think, where everyone died. In 1986 a new law gave manufacturers freedom from liability for childhood vaccines (still stands today). The manufacturers saw a goldmine and added more and more shots to the childhood schedule, many preserved with thimerosol. As children became disabled, manufacturers realized they calculated safety on the basis of one vaccine but kids were getting many in a single visit, far exceeding safety levels for mercury, a known poison. Records were shredded secretly and thimerosol phased out with parents and their kids left to deal with the disastrous results.
Vioxx, Thalidomide...
Fantastic.
I was open to getting the jabs initially, but I wanted to wait and see how “safe and effective” they really were (side note, can we come up with a better phrase than that to convey the risks and lack of effectiveness). Then I quickly noticed the pro jab propaganda, it was an onslaught to say the least, and I got suspicious and made up my mind in the negative.
I know people who have doubts now that were fully on board in the beginning, to the point where it was a contentious topic. They have changed their minds because they’ve had Covid multiple times, and they are through with boosters.
I had the same experience. I already knew pet vaccines are ridiculously unsafe and stopped vaccinating my pets 10 years ago (with great results), but I somehow thought human vaccines weren't as bad... Glad I opted for a wait-and-see approach for Covid!
I never intended to take the vaccine. But what really blew my blinders off was reading The Drug that Cracked Covid by Michael Capuzzo in mountain home magazine. It was pure chance that I came across this excellent piece of journalism. That was may 2021. There is so much evidence and testimony that early civic treatment was aggressively suppressed and this article just shocked me….then I read more….this fact alone—the suppression of effective and early treatment for covid—was enough to make me take to the streets. It was overwhelming obvious treatment was suppressed in order to justify the EUA for the vaccines. I shared this article with many and it opened one persons eyes that I know of. Most just “don’t want to know”. The implications are too overwhelming and frightening and the media helps to bury the info and keep people (willfully) ignorant. Thank you for your work here. We have to keep talking about this. Something awful took place and we cannot forget.
I just made a similar comment. I didn't see that article but the suppression of early treatment smelled rotten to me.
Yes, when they came out initially my instincts just said NO don’t put this in your body. What others did was up to them. But When I became aware of the early treatment suppression, I then had a huge moral problem with the vaccines. Then the mandates started (I was living in nyc at the time, you cannot work anywhere without them. Needless to say, I moved). The aggressive pressure by the nyc mayor and us government, and others to “take your medicine” (scary) and the bribing and shaming and all those other unloving, unhealthy behaviors….now all this disturbing data about the lack of safety and obviously they DONT WORK. But No apologies from fda for any of the obvious contradictions and errors. Not one good thing has come of these vaccines. Many are still petrified of covid after vax and boost. So the fearful are STILL afraid of Covid, but those same people think vaccines=good and fda is good. Jesus. So we have the massive brainwashing on top of all the other harms and problems. That’s why I’m grateful to Igor and others for not stopping. The media is a towel of Babel and propaganda meant to keep us unaware and numb. It’s awful. I’m not religious but I’m starting to believe these are the end times.
I still live in NYC 😭. Even though Mayor Adams lifted the mandate on gyms, my gym is still enforcing it, even though they've NEVER implemented it in their FL or TX locations, and when I initially spoke to the gym president back in August, he told me they were doing it for "health" reasons and would roll it globally as soon as possible. They just know that NY'ers are squeamish, and it's all a revenue game.
I have a friend whose cousin works for the CDC. She has 3 shots, just got Covid and is thinking of getting the 4th shot soon before her wedding ((FACEPALM)).
Don't believe these are the end times. The one thing that can turn it around is collective consciousness knowing that they will topple. More and more people are waking up. Have faith! Besides, fear is what they want and it creates harmful biochemicals.
Me too~Will read article and share.
I liked your time reference. It was around May 2021 that the Indian province of Uttar Pradesh, population 204 million, passed out Ivermectin to its citizens and basically obliterated a Covid outbreak in a couple weeks. That evidence was memory-holed by the MSM which continued to carry water for Big Pharma, in slandering any effective therapy. The CDC even slammed the medicine as "Horse Paste". (To which I say "Naaaaayyyyy").
I have both horse paste and ivermectin from India at home. I haven’t had to use either.
I listened to a podcast by a functional medicine doctor a few years ago. She was interviewing the founder of a company with several excellent formulations. The founder of the company was an acupuncture/herbal medicine student who was being mentored by a veterinarian who took care of large animals.
The Vet used an herbal combination on the animals that seemed to cure them of everything! The acupuncture/herbal medicine student asked if she could reformulate it for humans and he said yes but to remove or lower one of the ingredients which was very strong. She made up the formulation and sent it to several if not all of the top labs that run functional medicine tests. One of the owners of a lab called and asked her what was in the formulation because when they tested it it killed everything unfavorable! She switched her career track from acupuncture physician to starting a company with these products, which I have taken. Biobotanicals Research is the name of the company.
What products do you suggest ? Thank you kindly.
I’m not a doctor and I’m not suggesting anything. FLCCC has protocols so do Naturopaths. Last night I heard that dandelion is now part of the FLCCC protocol. Dandelion is a bitter herb that supports liver health. It’s been used for centuries by Herbalists. I would always lean towards natural, herbal or homeopathic remedies. I was taking Pine needle extract as a preventative and the usual vitamins D3K2, C, Zinc, Selenium, Magnesium glycinate and Quercetin, plus a mushroom blend for immune support.
Me too!
Awesome! Are you also in the holistic/natural health space as a practitioner?
Just read the amazing article you referenced!
Me too
That was an incredible piece.
Still to this day.. Only vaccines are allowed. Except for Remdesiver and Paxlovid. Unreal.
I know. It's so obvious what went down and how the lie keeps going. It's like the vaccines are a horrible talentless diva that everyone props up and pretends is an artistic genius. A real emperor with no clothes situation. It's psychotic, obviously amoral and I still have trouble believing this is all really happening!
I've lost two twitter accounts over those cheap and effective treatments.
It’s the implications indeed that are frightening
I don’t know that anything I have said or anything I have argued with my friends or family has convinced them of anything.
My Dad ended up on ER after shot 1 with a strange heart issue. He is on shot #4 and now has an aggressive cancer. He sees this as even more reason to stay UTD on his boosters. My MIL is incapable of self-advocacy due to religious abuse growing up and being absolutely deferential to any authority figure. She started a downward spiral with her health within 2 weeks of her second shot. Open Heart surgery. Valve replacement. Pacemaker. Ablation. 2 eye surgeries for worsening vision. She KNOWS that she was healthy before her shots and everything fell apart after. She still went and got her booster after ALL of this. And her flu shot.
And they do not see it. How typical.
I know one individual who had damage from vaccine and that person finally realized what happened, after many troubles and a bad case of covid
Jeez. I knew the propaganda was strong, but holy crap! Sorry that you have to go through this, good luck!
It is a military level, mind control operation.
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I could say ‘unbelievable!’ But it isn’t. I knew, he’s cut me out of his life now, a guy whose arm atrophied after his first shot. He’s probably up to four shots now. I don’t know how his arm is doing. We don’t talk anymore. But he said the shot had nothing to do with his arm. His arm was in constant pain and was atrophying because he had broken his thumb twelve years before.
My best friend had mild dysarthria (couldn’t articulate) after her second moderna shot, she still went and got a booster, to get a pass and “be free”
The only thing I’m aware of that has changed minds in my circle is direct experience with injury/death (and even then many people choose not to blame the shots). Otherwise it’s not something we talk about to avoid arguments.
Same here. Half of extended family is jabbed, and so far no AEs. Not until someone in their own inner circle becomes clearly ill, will they possibly change their minds. Maybe. Or a super high profile leader suddenly dies or something. Even then. Sad. It’s gonna be a long process.
My uncle had a stroke and then died from a very sudden and fast cancer (of which he had zero signs previously). Several of his doctors even said it was related to the jab. Most of my family didn’t believe it and thought it was just coincidence.
Hopeless, aren't they... once taken, no-one wants to believe they are dangerous, because of the consequences, and no-one wants to believe they've self-harmed, or encouraged harm in someone.
The only way some people learn is by personal friends or family being Injured or if a celebrity comes out with the truth bc of injury!
Manny will blame it on a breakthrough case after the shot...also known as the shot gave them covid! But they will not admit that! No way!
This is the thread we need. Thanks