It's this sort of attitude that has me perplexed. On one hand you and plenty of others with similar views will join forces with people (whom you might not normally) over covid, but you'll resort to the "can't see it, can't hear it" type of thinking with regards to the climate and the planet and energy sources.
Is the crux of it that most…
It's this sort of attitude that has me perplexed. On one hand you and plenty of others with similar views will join forces with people (whom you might not normally) over covid, but you'll resort to the "can't see it, can't hear it" type of thinking with regards to the climate and the planet and energy sources.
Is the crux of it that most people are deathly afraid of returning to cave-man status (which honestly is about where we all belong as a species in my books! The silicon chip is WAAAAY too advanced for us) - without their computers and their modern day lifestyles?
boriquagato/el gat malo/Bad Cattitude have subscribers galore with your type of thinking. They pooh-pooh anyone who thinks differently when it comes to climate/energy - yet if we close off that debate, we are no different to those who are pro-covid vs those who are anti-covid. People are just not very good at keeping open minds it would seem!
Maybe I'll just go back to writing my books and not bother with these substacks. I write my comments not for me, but for others to consider, but I think I've mostly come to the end of the line on it. People are people and they've always been people and they like to fight and cause problems and sometimes solve them and often make them worse. They have their good points but they have more bad than good IMO. Perhaps the religious are right - we ARE sinners. So do we keep living in sin and not truly learn, or do we realise we are also capable of rising above it all? The problem is that so few ARE capable of rising above it all, Miko. How do you save a species when most of them don't even know they need saving?! I think the answer is: you don't. We're living in very perplexing times...
The modern lifestyle in the West as it is right now is not something that I would regard as a model to copy. I would argue that the current model is something to avoid as it is designed to destroy the family unit and all aspects of morality. It is clearly devoid of purpose and self destructing. The US large cities are a showcase of how bad things get when people without purpose and morals are in charge. They care only about power and will do anything to keep that power. You get more dead in Chicago every weekend than you get on the border of Armenia & Azerbaijan which is still in a low level state of war.
I think that tech is now way overused and if the society is to improve, mind destroying garbage like Tik Tok and Faceborg/Metaborg needs to be gone, permanently. It only encourages a selfish, drone like mentality that got us in the Covid mess almost overnight. Instead of spending time with family, way too many people spend time on pointless garbage in front of a screen. No wonder so many people are depressed. They are literally at sea without a working rudder.
On energy and climate, it is a case that we just disagree. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. In the case of nuclear energy I have had a look at the facts and I see things very differently. Just for disclosure, I was roughly 900 kms away from Chernobyl when that mess happened. I also have nuclear physicist friends who have had very interesting views on the topic (definitely no consensus there). Hence, I think I understand the risks about nuclear power well enough. The reaction of most people is somewhat understandable as most of the information they get is from the media which is not in any shape or form a neutral arbiter.
The climate change business is definitely a massive scam and not all changes lead to the end of world. I could go on for pages on the failed "predictions" of how everything is getting worse and we have only 10-20 years to save ourselves. Not true. I still have the cut outs of the articles from the late 1990's and early 2000's saying that the UK will never see snow after the 2008. I kept copies because I recognized then that this was nonsense and I wanted to keep the evidence. Every single generation there has been a group that would agitate about some world calamity and like at all times in history, the world kept moving on especially once the doomsday predictions failed to materialize. The difference is that this is now being actively weaponized against everyone by well resourced psychos that want a1984 kind of world that they get to run. I do not want a world in which I am not allowed to travel because of carbon emissions. I do not want a world in which I have to eat bugs because apparently it saves the planet (which it does not). Yet that is the direction we are heading if we go along with the climate change scam. Covid was an eye opener of what happens idiots and psychos get a free pass to do whatever they please.
Final point - I like the Substack format especially in the format that Igor runs. Everyone gets a say and that is why it is worth reading. It provides alternate points of view and often one learns new facts. I read it and post on it because it allows almost 100% uncensored discussion - I have no expectations of agreement from the readers of my posts and I will say it one more - you are entitled to your own opinion and have every right to support your view with whatever facts/info you deem useful. Giving up on the platform because there is disagreement on some topic is unfortunate but again, everyone makes their own decisions.
Newsweek article, April 28, 1975: "Cooling World." I have a copy of it on my computer, it was called "climatic" change then. We were supposedly heading into a mini ice age of sorts. All kinds of dire predictions just like we are hearing now. Hilarious to read, a 47 year old blast from the past, and perhaps the birth of the climate change scam industry.
I think that the end of world is coming scam is as old as civilization itself. The difference is that this sort of scam used to have a limited reach and it used to alternate (we will freeze vs we will burn) as one scam was proven to be just that - a scam.
Now, a bunch of demented individuals with a fixation on controlling everything and everyone (because they know better) have latched on to this nonsense and sadly, they are making progress. I have seen a media drive to normalize implants (you no longer need keys or cards for shopping - it is all done via a subcutaneous chip) that would allow the sort of surveillance and control, which would make China look like a free country. Norway is testing a card system that tracks all transactions on the basis of carbon usage and when your quota is gone, no more transactions. Hard to believe that people are that stupid and ignorant, but they are. How many people got Alexa or the equivalent in their houses? Answer? A ton in the West. If the government would mandate a microphone in their houses, the same people would be very unhappy. However, they are happy for Amazon, Google or whoever has an equivalent to monitor their conversations - 24/7. Moreover, they PAY for it. The climate change is the perfect scam because it appeals to a lot of people at the most basic level (who doesn't want to save the world, right?). I just hope that enough people wake up before they are stuck in a bio-tech totalitarian dystopia that will make all previous totalitarian system look like paradise.
Thanks for your thoughts. Seems you have acquired some knowledge in your years!
Perhaps the climate change 'business' is indeed a massive scam, and I'm certainly not about to boot over people's businesses or farmland that are working right now just because they're suddenly considered as causing 'too much' pollution in some bureaucrat's calculations.
However, trying to look after the Earth because it is a more natural way to live and be is not a scam. I don't want to eat bugs or live in high-rises or not be able to travel any more than you! But it just seems that any time anyone mentions something about being nice to the Earth, they are labelled as 'climate change crazies' and laughed at, just as if they were willingly wearing masks and taking jabs.
I'm all for making the world a cleaner place and living sustainably, but over much TIME. After all, we're not the only ones who live here. Governments should be supporting measures like renewable energy research and better farming practices etc, not just effectively saying 'we have to close down your farms unless you all move to organic farming right now'. That one didn't work out too well, did it?! It might've been a good idea in the long-term, but it had a stupid implementation.
And yes, I like Igor's substack. He's a nice guy, has a great sense of humour, appeals to many by how and what he writes - and everyone mostly gets a reasonable say. But writing comments to try to say what's in/on your mind is not always the easiest. A lot gets lost in translation, shall we say.
Igor is a very nice bloke who is a reminder that there are good people out there. He stuck his neck out and that is something that I will always appreciate, especially as the blow back could still be very damaging from all points of view (his name would also make some people I know throw a fit).
I do not laugh at people wanting to be nicer to Earth. I am all for less pollution and protecting some areas. However, I do have a laugh when I see the "extinction rebels" go on their trademark "protests" while using the latest tech (no oil, then you cannot have plastics and as result no mobiles or smart watches), wearing cold proofed modern jackets (yep, oil again) and acting like toddlers that have had one their toys taken away to be cleaned. The hypocrisy of these people is breathtaking. I also despise the "experts" that never leave the air-conditioned environments in the city but self confess to know more than the country folk (many of them would be terrified of the actual country). Much of the old wisdom on how to manage the environment has gone because we have had unelected morons ruining (yes, I do mean ruining) things. Going in the country here in Oz and back in Europe was very instructive. The people who work the land have a ton more knowledge than they are given credit for and are commonly stuffed by stupid city dictated environmental policies that are both costly and damaging. I am an academic by training and I often cringe at how isolated and irrelevant some parts of the academia are in reality.
Honestly Robyn, read “fossil future”, you don’t even have to get very far into it and you will understand what we “climate deniers “ are talking about. Alex Epstein is a philosopher and even concedes that humans may be driving CO2 levels up but he exposes the corruption in our climate and energy sector knowledge systems so beautifully. I used to believe that vaccines are safe, I used to give my kids all of them but now my eyes are open and I was very, very wrong before. Similarly I ask that you read the above mentioned book and then feed back to us. I don’t want you to give up on Substack
I went and looked up that book today. But I am not about to read it. Instead, from the many book reviews and comments that I read, it seems to me that Alex is 'negging' people. He comes up with his own little definitions like 'anti-impact' & 'climate mastery' - and then proceeds to tell people that they're basically immoral for not putting THEMSELVES first.
The whole thing is ultimately based on humans being self-centred - and making up arguments to suit themselves so that they can keep doing what they want to do.
I know I am only here because the Earth supports me, not because I 'impact' the Earth. It's a symbiotic relationship and I hope it will remain that way.
But humans are humans, and most are egocentric beyond belief. I think it's highly improbable to save such people. I've been wrong before, and no doubt I'll be wrong again. After all, I am only human! :-D
No vaccines have crossed my threshold since 15+ years ago because I realised just how they bad they were for me. My kids are vaccine-free and eat well and, on our property, we try to live in relative harmony with Nature.
So like Tarun, I think my hubby & I will just enjoy and maintain our country property, grow our food and help our kids to grow as well. What will happen to the world will happen.
Hey!! I just read up on Epstein. Not the other one, the fossil fuel guy and i found out he's talking about me. Only he's got me wrong. I don't believe i should have no impact on nature. I do believe i should have a relationship with nature that is.... wait for it.... i'm going to use a word that those rogues at WEF have ruined pretty much..... sustainable. Yeah, i want the same nature that i'm interacting with to be there for my grandkids. Crazy eh. Why not just chop the damn forests down if it causes (some) humans to thrive. Especially the ones on the thirty first floor of the Chevron building. There's oil under that ground if we could just get rid of the trees and the damn environmentalists. Our future as a species is dependent on it.
I agree with Epstein, again the fossil guy, that we humans can use our minds in creative ways to further our human experience. And for me that means finding new technologies that are non toxic. If Epstein didn't work for the Koch brothers maybe he's agree with me.
Here's a good takedown that's very well done it seems...
It seems we're both numpties, based on this writer's views that vaccinations are great, and if we question 5G then that's also a no-no!
However, it was quite a good article otherwise! ;-)
It would be nice if people could put their Egos aside and see things for what they are, but they have too much invested in it all. Reducing reliance on fossil fuels would be great, but no-one's really putting the resources towards it.
I'd love to live plastic-free, or at least petroleum-based plastic-free! But no-one's really pushing plant-based plastics, just plant-based 'meat' and bug-filled chips.
And if TPTB were truly worried about methane from animals, then people should feed their animals more natural diets, not be told to instead eat only plants (and bugs). Studies show that changing the animal's diet DOES affect the methane (or methanogenesis).
The answers are all out there, but we're on Substack with quite a number of right-wingers that ultimately want the freedom to do whatever they want: to NOT get covid-jabbed, to go game shooting, to practice whatever religion, to use whatever amount of fossil fuels etc; to basically not have to change anything except NOT get jabbed. As much it seems right to band with them for our freedom from covid, what's going to change once we get that freedom? We're still stuck with humanity's old problems, and the same sort of thing will happen again. It's like a bad story, being told time and time again.
Anyway, we can't change their minds, and it seems they have not changed ours, so the world will continue on in consumerism until such time that it falls flat on its face (from crazy WEF policies and/or illness/death from the covid jabs and/or negative environmental changes for our species), whenever that may be. I doubt it will completely fail in our lifetime, because humans are horribly resilient, but you never know. I guess our society could also fall apart from aliens visiting Earth...but I could only think their arrival would be for their own worshipping purposes since very little intelligent life seems to be here, ha ha! :-D
Anyway, it is what it is. I'm honestly getting a bit 'over' all this crap. I just want to live a decent live, be a decent person and hope that others do the same. On the surface, most pass this test - but underneath, we're all still grasping, egocentric humans.
Sorry, i sometimes get excited and post articles i haven't finished reading... glad i read it tho.. i have not gotten into climate science much, and for the reasons this man set out. It's damn complicated. And i came to the party late. But just seeing him debunk that graph was enlightening. People in the chat were making claims of no significant cyclical changes happening.. they must have read Epstein's book. I do think it is like the flat earthers i know. Not the brightest bulbs. Usually can't get too deep into data, so they take some authorities word as truth, based on their own psychophysical makeup. It does take a certain type of character to go along with the pro fossil fuel line. I have a few of them in my life.
My lamentation about what has happened over the last couple years is the devastation of the environmental movement. WEF style climate policy has given it a bad face. Now the hordes are sure it is all a hoax. The earth's systems are still failing. What to do?? Wait and see maybe.
It's OK, I was just having a joke in my first line of my last reply. I fully expect most people out there to think the anti-vaccination movement is nuts! But of course most people have NOT done their homework, have they?
I find it so amusingly sad that people who have painstakingly done their research on one topic...totally fail on another. But to be fair, one needs to sleep and be able to read fast to be learned about so many topics!!!
But yes, planet Earth. I rather like it. So much so that I did a Geology degree after school. And at the end of that I was pretty sure if I was working in the field I was either going to be a vulcanologist (but their average death is in their 40s...!) or an environmental geologist. But then there weren't any jobs when I finished anyway, so I didn't have to make that choice and I retrained...to become a Chiropractor! :-D
Agreed that the ones that are on our side now with covid are mostly against us when it comes to the environment. And WEF-style 'climate policy' - if you call it that (!) - has done a disastrous job. They've made a mockery of the whole thing such that more and more people will say "who cares?" when it comes to the environment - but we SHOULD care!!! The environment nurtures us. It gives us life. And there are so many tell-tale signs out there that we're screwing it up, but the ones on our side for covid mostly turn a blind eye to that :-(
I don't think the Earth and the other life on it deserves to suffer because we can't get our systems in order. Why are we so special? Don't other lifeforms have just as much right to live and prosper as us? I guess some would say only those at the top get to have it all...but so many humans don't realise just how fragile WE are on Earth. The Earth is tough. She'll be fine enough. She's taken asteroid hits, been a helluva lot hotter, and a helluva lot colder, but lots of life might not be OK. We have had it so good for so long that we think we're actually truly OK, that we can handle almost anything. People forget that CO2 going up to 4000ppm or something is going to make us as dumb as dogfood. Our species evolved in LOW CO2. Rising CO2 IS a problem - for our brainpower! So unless we all plan on wearing proper masked helmets outdoors and breathing artificial air whilst our plants grow out of control (no, we won't have a wood-fuel problem then, ha ha!), and having to live in sealed places indoors, then we really ought to have been incorporating some major change, oh, well over 20 years ago!! Over 50 to be fair. And don't have those nukes. Or WW1. Or WW2. All we need are a few extra volcanoes to go off and THEN we'll see how well we fare with those sky-high 'greenhouse gases'...
But everyone else reading this will probably laugh and think we're nuts! That we're 'worst-case-scenario' types. That it's not really that bad.
97% of climate scientists agree that global warming is real. Also 97% of all virologists and epidemiologists agree that vaccines and lockdowns and masks are needed to stop the spread. At least that was how it was put to me back in 2020. And this article was written in 2020. So we can give him a bit of slack on that one. But the amount of scientists who have dissented from the consensus now is quite impressive. And the data is not that hard to read.
Books like Epstein's remind me more of Fauci's style of manipulating the data. Funny that folks would be opposed to that in one instance and embrace it in another.
I haven't read the book but it does seem all the rage now not only on the right which is not surprising, but on the socialist left too.. Trouble with both crowds seems to be a loe of materialism in a human centric world. Socialism traditionally for sure. Nature is here for our pleasure only. No intrinsic value of its own. It's also a traditional Christian notion, the idea of a dead material world that God has given us to lord over. So with those sorts of biases, any book that offers unlimited opportunity for further exploitation with no repercussions would be welcome. I think better to go back to the stone age and start over..
But I did read a lot of comments and book reviews today about it, plus some background info on Alex Epstein.
I'm rather in agreement that it is based on a 'human centric world'.
'Tis a pity most people commenting here (and elsewhere) can't realise that without the Earth we don't exist.. Well, WE will exist, but perhaps a number of generations down the line won't...
This just in Robyn... is it fake news from lame stream media?? Well it's being reported on multiple sites... But maybe they just want to take away our pick up trucks...
It's this sort of attitude that has me perplexed. On one hand you and plenty of others with similar views will join forces with people (whom you might not normally) over covid, but you'll resort to the "can't see it, can't hear it" type of thinking with regards to the climate and the planet and energy sources.
Is the crux of it that most people are deathly afraid of returning to cave-man status (which honestly is about where we all belong as a species in my books! The silicon chip is WAAAAY too advanced for us) - without their computers and their modern day lifestyles?
boriquagato/el gat malo/Bad Cattitude have subscribers galore with your type of thinking. They pooh-pooh anyone who thinks differently when it comes to climate/energy - yet if we close off that debate, we are no different to those who are pro-covid vs those who are anti-covid. People are just not very good at keeping open minds it would seem!
Maybe I'll just go back to writing my books and not bother with these substacks. I write my comments not for me, but for others to consider, but I think I've mostly come to the end of the line on it. People are people and they've always been people and they like to fight and cause problems and sometimes solve them and often make them worse. They have their good points but they have more bad than good IMO. Perhaps the religious are right - we ARE sinners. So do we keep living in sin and not truly learn, or do we realise we are also capable of rising above it all? The problem is that so few ARE capable of rising above it all, Miko. How do you save a species when most of them don't even know they need saving?! I think the answer is: you don't. We're living in very perplexing times...
The modern lifestyle in the West as it is right now is not something that I would regard as a model to copy. I would argue that the current model is something to avoid as it is designed to destroy the family unit and all aspects of morality. It is clearly devoid of purpose and self destructing. The US large cities are a showcase of how bad things get when people without purpose and morals are in charge. They care only about power and will do anything to keep that power. You get more dead in Chicago every weekend than you get on the border of Armenia & Azerbaijan which is still in a low level state of war.
I think that tech is now way overused and if the society is to improve, mind destroying garbage like Tik Tok and Faceborg/Metaborg needs to be gone, permanently. It only encourages a selfish, drone like mentality that got us in the Covid mess almost overnight. Instead of spending time with family, way too many people spend time on pointless garbage in front of a screen. No wonder so many people are depressed. They are literally at sea without a working rudder.
On energy and climate, it is a case that we just disagree. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. In the case of nuclear energy I have had a look at the facts and I see things very differently. Just for disclosure, I was roughly 900 kms away from Chernobyl when that mess happened. I also have nuclear physicist friends who have had very interesting views on the topic (definitely no consensus there). Hence, I think I understand the risks about nuclear power well enough. The reaction of most people is somewhat understandable as most of the information they get is from the media which is not in any shape or form a neutral arbiter.
The climate change business is definitely a massive scam and not all changes lead to the end of world. I could go on for pages on the failed "predictions" of how everything is getting worse and we have only 10-20 years to save ourselves. Not true. I still have the cut outs of the articles from the late 1990's and early 2000's saying that the UK will never see snow after the 2008. I kept copies because I recognized then that this was nonsense and I wanted to keep the evidence. Every single generation there has been a group that would agitate about some world calamity and like at all times in history, the world kept moving on especially once the doomsday predictions failed to materialize. The difference is that this is now being actively weaponized against everyone by well resourced psychos that want a1984 kind of world that they get to run. I do not want a world in which I am not allowed to travel because of carbon emissions. I do not want a world in which I have to eat bugs because apparently it saves the planet (which it does not). Yet that is the direction we are heading if we go along with the climate change scam. Covid was an eye opener of what happens idiots and psychos get a free pass to do whatever they please.
Final point - I like the Substack format especially in the format that Igor runs. Everyone gets a say and that is why it is worth reading. It provides alternate points of view and often one learns new facts. I read it and post on it because it allows almost 100% uncensored discussion - I have no expectations of agreement from the readers of my posts and I will say it one more - you are entitled to your own opinion and have every right to support your view with whatever facts/info you deem useful. Giving up on the platform because there is disagreement on some topic is unfortunate but again, everyone makes their own decisions.
Newsweek article, April 28, 1975: "Cooling World." I have a copy of it on my computer, it was called "climatic" change then. We were supposedly heading into a mini ice age of sorts. All kinds of dire predictions just like we are hearing now. Hilarious to read, a 47 year old blast from the past, and perhaps the birth of the climate change scam industry.
I think that the end of world is coming scam is as old as civilization itself. The difference is that this sort of scam used to have a limited reach and it used to alternate (we will freeze vs we will burn) as one scam was proven to be just that - a scam.
Now, a bunch of demented individuals with a fixation on controlling everything and everyone (because they know better) have latched on to this nonsense and sadly, they are making progress. I have seen a media drive to normalize implants (you no longer need keys or cards for shopping - it is all done via a subcutaneous chip) that would allow the sort of surveillance and control, which would make China look like a free country. Norway is testing a card system that tracks all transactions on the basis of carbon usage and when your quota is gone, no more transactions. Hard to believe that people are that stupid and ignorant, but they are. How many people got Alexa or the equivalent in their houses? Answer? A ton in the West. If the government would mandate a microphone in their houses, the same people would be very unhappy. However, they are happy for Amazon, Google or whoever has an equivalent to monitor their conversations - 24/7. Moreover, they PAY for it. The climate change is the perfect scam because it appeals to a lot of people at the most basic level (who doesn't want to save the world, right?). I just hope that enough people wake up before they are stuck in a bio-tech totalitarian dystopia that will make all previous totalitarian system look like paradise.
Thanks for your thoughts. Seems you have acquired some knowledge in your years!
Perhaps the climate change 'business' is indeed a massive scam, and I'm certainly not about to boot over people's businesses or farmland that are working right now just because they're suddenly considered as causing 'too much' pollution in some bureaucrat's calculations.
However, trying to look after the Earth because it is a more natural way to live and be is not a scam. I don't want to eat bugs or live in high-rises or not be able to travel any more than you! But it just seems that any time anyone mentions something about being nice to the Earth, they are labelled as 'climate change crazies' and laughed at, just as if they were willingly wearing masks and taking jabs.
I'm all for making the world a cleaner place and living sustainably, but over much TIME. After all, we're not the only ones who live here. Governments should be supporting measures like renewable energy research and better farming practices etc, not just effectively saying 'we have to close down your farms unless you all move to organic farming right now'. That one didn't work out too well, did it?! It might've been a good idea in the long-term, but it had a stupid implementation.
And yes, I like Igor's substack. He's a nice guy, has a great sense of humour, appeals to many by how and what he writes - and everyone mostly gets a reasonable say. But writing comments to try to say what's in/on your mind is not always the easiest. A lot gets lost in translation, shall we say.
Igor is a very nice bloke who is a reminder that there are good people out there. He stuck his neck out and that is something that I will always appreciate, especially as the blow back could still be very damaging from all points of view (his name would also make some people I know throw a fit).
I do not laugh at people wanting to be nicer to Earth. I am all for less pollution and protecting some areas. However, I do have a laugh when I see the "extinction rebels" go on their trademark "protests" while using the latest tech (no oil, then you cannot have plastics and as result no mobiles or smart watches), wearing cold proofed modern jackets (yep, oil again) and acting like toddlers that have had one their toys taken away to be cleaned. The hypocrisy of these people is breathtaking. I also despise the "experts" that never leave the air-conditioned environments in the city but self confess to know more than the country folk (many of them would be terrified of the actual country). Much of the old wisdom on how to manage the environment has gone because we have had unelected morons ruining (yes, I do mean ruining) things. Going in the country here in Oz and back in Europe was very instructive. The people who work the land have a ton more knowledge than they are given credit for and are commonly stuffed by stupid city dictated environmental policies that are both costly and damaging. I am an academic by training and I often cringe at how isolated and irrelevant some parts of the academia are in reality.
Agree agree agree
Honestly Robyn, read “fossil future”, you don’t even have to get very far into it and you will understand what we “climate deniers “ are talking about. Alex Epstein is a philosopher and even concedes that humans may be driving CO2 levels up but he exposes the corruption in our climate and energy sector knowledge systems so beautifully. I used to believe that vaccines are safe, I used to give my kids all of them but now my eyes are open and I was very, very wrong before. Similarly I ask that you read the above mentioned book and then feed back to us. I don’t want you to give up on Substack
I went and looked up that book today. But I am not about to read it. Instead, from the many book reviews and comments that I read, it seems to me that Alex is 'negging' people. He comes up with his own little definitions like 'anti-impact' & 'climate mastery' - and then proceeds to tell people that they're basically immoral for not putting THEMSELVES first.
The whole thing is ultimately based on humans being self-centred - and making up arguments to suit themselves so that they can keep doing what they want to do.
I know I am only here because the Earth supports me, not because I 'impact' the Earth. It's a symbiotic relationship and I hope it will remain that way.
But humans are humans, and most are egocentric beyond belief. I think it's highly improbable to save such people. I've been wrong before, and no doubt I'll be wrong again. After all, I am only human! :-D
No vaccines have crossed my threshold since 15+ years ago because I realised just how they bad they were for me. My kids are vaccine-free and eat well and, on our property, we try to live in relative harmony with Nature.
So like Tarun, I think my hubby & I will just enjoy and maintain our country property, grow our food and help our kids to grow as well. What will happen to the world will happen.
Ok, I tried. Peace out
Hey!! I just read up on Epstein. Not the other one, the fossil fuel guy and i found out he's talking about me. Only he's got me wrong. I don't believe i should have no impact on nature. I do believe i should have a relationship with nature that is.... wait for it.... i'm going to use a word that those rogues at WEF have ruined pretty much..... sustainable. Yeah, i want the same nature that i'm interacting with to be there for my grandkids. Crazy eh. Why not just chop the damn forests down if it causes (some) humans to thrive. Especially the ones on the thirty first floor of the Chevron building. There's oil under that ground if we could just get rid of the trees and the damn environmentalists. Our future as a species is dependent on it.
I agree with Epstein, again the fossil guy, that we humans can use our minds in creative ways to further our human experience. And for me that means finding new technologies that are non toxic. If Epstein didn't work for the Koch brothers maybe he's agree with me.
Here's a good takedown that's very well done it seems...
https://medium.com/@samfiddis/alex-epstein-did-shill-himself-the-immorality-of-climate-skepticism-8489b71be3af
It seems we're both numpties, based on this writer's views that vaccinations are great, and if we question 5G then that's also a no-no!
However, it was quite a good article otherwise! ;-)
It would be nice if people could put their Egos aside and see things for what they are, but they have too much invested in it all. Reducing reliance on fossil fuels would be great, but no-one's really putting the resources towards it.
I'd love to live plastic-free, or at least petroleum-based plastic-free! But no-one's really pushing plant-based plastics, just plant-based 'meat' and bug-filled chips.
And if TPTB were truly worried about methane from animals, then people should feed their animals more natural diets, not be told to instead eat only plants (and bugs). Studies show that changing the animal's diet DOES affect the methane (or methanogenesis).
The answers are all out there, but we're on Substack with quite a number of right-wingers that ultimately want the freedom to do whatever they want: to NOT get covid-jabbed, to go game shooting, to practice whatever religion, to use whatever amount of fossil fuels etc; to basically not have to change anything except NOT get jabbed. As much it seems right to band with them for our freedom from covid, what's going to change once we get that freedom? We're still stuck with humanity's old problems, and the same sort of thing will happen again. It's like a bad story, being told time and time again.
Anyway, we can't change their minds, and it seems they have not changed ours, so the world will continue on in consumerism until such time that it falls flat on its face (from crazy WEF policies and/or illness/death from the covid jabs and/or negative environmental changes for our species), whenever that may be. I doubt it will completely fail in our lifetime, because humans are horribly resilient, but you never know. I guess our society could also fall apart from aliens visiting Earth...but I could only think their arrival would be for their own worshipping purposes since very little intelligent life seems to be here, ha ha! :-D
Anyway, it is what it is. I'm honestly getting a bit 'over' all this crap. I just want to live a decent live, be a decent person and hope that others do the same. On the surface, most pass this test - but underneath, we're all still grasping, egocentric humans.
Sorry, i sometimes get excited and post articles i haven't finished reading... glad i read it tho.. i have not gotten into climate science much, and for the reasons this man set out. It's damn complicated. And i came to the party late. But just seeing him debunk that graph was enlightening. People in the chat were making claims of no significant cyclical changes happening.. they must have read Epstein's book. I do think it is like the flat earthers i know. Not the brightest bulbs. Usually can't get too deep into data, so they take some authorities word as truth, based on their own psychophysical makeup. It does take a certain type of character to go along with the pro fossil fuel line. I have a few of them in my life.
My lamentation about what has happened over the last couple years is the devastation of the environmental movement. WEF style climate policy has given it a bad face. Now the hordes are sure it is all a hoax. The earth's systems are still failing. What to do?? Wait and see maybe.
It's OK, I was just having a joke in my first line of my last reply. I fully expect most people out there to think the anti-vaccination movement is nuts! But of course most people have NOT done their homework, have they?
I find it so amusingly sad that people who have painstakingly done their research on one topic...totally fail on another. But to be fair, one needs to sleep and be able to read fast to be learned about so many topics!!!
But yes, planet Earth. I rather like it. So much so that I did a Geology degree after school. And at the end of that I was pretty sure if I was working in the field I was either going to be a vulcanologist (but their average death is in their 40s...!) or an environmental geologist. But then there weren't any jobs when I finished anyway, so I didn't have to make that choice and I retrained...to become a Chiropractor! :-D
Agreed that the ones that are on our side now with covid are mostly against us when it comes to the environment. And WEF-style 'climate policy' - if you call it that (!) - has done a disastrous job. They've made a mockery of the whole thing such that more and more people will say "who cares?" when it comes to the environment - but we SHOULD care!!! The environment nurtures us. It gives us life. And there are so many tell-tale signs out there that we're screwing it up, but the ones on our side for covid mostly turn a blind eye to that :-(
I don't think the Earth and the other life on it deserves to suffer because we can't get our systems in order. Why are we so special? Don't other lifeforms have just as much right to live and prosper as us? I guess some would say only those at the top get to have it all...but so many humans don't realise just how fragile WE are on Earth. The Earth is tough. She'll be fine enough. She's taken asteroid hits, been a helluva lot hotter, and a helluva lot colder, but lots of life might not be OK. We have had it so good for so long that we think we're actually truly OK, that we can handle almost anything. People forget that CO2 going up to 4000ppm or something is going to make us as dumb as dogfood. Our species evolved in LOW CO2. Rising CO2 IS a problem - for our brainpower! So unless we all plan on wearing proper masked helmets outdoors and breathing artificial air whilst our plants grow out of control (no, we won't have a wood-fuel problem then, ha ha!), and having to live in sealed places indoors, then we really ought to have been incorporating some major change, oh, well over 20 years ago!! Over 50 to be fair. And don't have those nukes. Or WW1. Or WW2. All we need are a few extra volcanoes to go off and THEN we'll see how well we fare with those sky-high 'greenhouse gases'...
But everyone else reading this will probably laugh and think we're nuts! That we're 'worst-case-scenario' types. That it's not really that bad.
Time Will Tell.
97% of climate scientists agree that global warming is real. Also 97% of all virologists and epidemiologists agree that vaccines and lockdowns and masks are needed to stop the spread. At least that was how it was put to me back in 2020. And this article was written in 2020. So we can give him a bit of slack on that one. But the amount of scientists who have dissented from the consensus now is quite impressive. And the data is not that hard to read.
Books like Epstein's remind me more of Fauci's style of manipulating the data. Funny that folks would be opposed to that in one instance and embrace it in another.
I haven't read the book but it does seem all the rage now not only on the right which is not surprising, but on the socialist left too.. Trouble with both crowds seems to be a loe of materialism in a human centric world. Socialism traditionally for sure. Nature is here for our pleasure only. No intrinsic value of its own. It's also a traditional Christian notion, the idea of a dead material world that God has given us to lord over. So with those sorts of biases, any book that offers unlimited opportunity for further exploitation with no repercussions would be welcome. I think better to go back to the stone age and start over..
I haven't read the book either.
But I did read a lot of comments and book reviews today about it, plus some background info on Alex Epstein.
I'm rather in agreement that it is based on a 'human centric world'.
'Tis a pity most people commenting here (and elsewhere) can't realise that without the Earth we don't exist.. Well, WE will exist, but perhaps a number of generations down the line won't...
This just in Robyn... is it fake news from lame stream media?? Well it's being reported on multiple sites... But maybe they just want to take away our pick up trucks...
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/oct/13/almost-70-of-animal-populations-wiped-out-since-1970-report-reveals-aoe