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Igor Chudov's avatar

Good question, some questions remain unanswered

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BlazeCloude3's avatar

INDEED, LIKE THE QUESTION ABOUT THE REASON OLD NEWS IS BEING REHASHED WHEN EVERYBODY ALREADY KNEW THE FACT/TRUTH ABOUT THE INJECTIONS BEING

AN Ai/BIO WEAPON FOR MONTHS, NOW.

How about a neat, sweet little diversion, distraction, redirection of focus onto ANYTHING EXCEPT THE POWER GRAB IN GENEVA AT THE W.H.O., their I.D Passports, and CBDC'S INTRODUCTION to enslave the world surviving the Ai/Bioweapon Injections that are marketed and sold as convenience. The International Mafia is so giving...Having the Hegelian Dialectic at their disposal; a gift to use even their own CHAOS TO COVER FOR YET MORE CHAOS used to bribe the masses for Absolute Power.

How the sordid, macabre, perverted and sadistic giggle and harrumph into their cocaine, LSD and the bloody Adrenochrome during Ritualistic Torture, Rape and Murder of Babies/Children for their Demon God Moloch to the tune of $34,000,000,000.00 per year. 😠

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Ray Alford's avatar

It's such a terrible shame that the ENTIRE world's population is not as up to speed as you are. THEN, we'd see some necks stretched! And NOT all that many, because things would NEVER have progressed to this point in the game.

Lock and Load! should be the catch phrase of the resistance.

Ray

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BlazeCloude3's avatar

THIS is what happens when the SOCIAL WORKER mentality of 'Don't Discipline Your Children' is institutionalized in society and those who do are defined 'Child Abusers'.

It all began back in 1958-61 with M.K. Ultra and all their Psy-Op 'Sex,Drugs and Rock-n-Roll' Hippy Movement with Aldous Huxley, and all the LSD Clan; Psychiatrist Henry Murray, Tim Leary, Albert Hoffman, Sydney Gottlieb. Nobody knew that Mi5 and the CIA/DOD managed all the biggest Rock Stars out of Laurel Canyon and London to promote the Anti-God Counterculture.

NOBODY IS STRONG ENOUGH NOW TO FACE REALITY AS THE COURAGE OF CONVICTION AS A BLESSING FROM GOD TO HIS FAITHFUL IS ALMOST COMPLETELY DEAD. Were we intelligent and strong in confronting reality before evil had enough time to dig itself in and take more ground...We wouldn't be in the current mess and not so many people would have died or been disabled for life. All of society is as parents who don't discipline their children who are spoiled rotten, soft, weak, nasty and selfish...CREATING OURSELVES MONSTERS.

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Robyn S's avatar

As opposed to a lot of kids out there, our kids aren't monsters. Hubby & I (but TBH it's mostly me!) keep them in line. We also feed them well, give them hugs/cuddles, tell them we love them. And we discipline them when they need it. They're active and full of beans, but they're good. Our kids even tell us we're awesome and the best parents in the world! And they know they only get in trouble when they've done something wrong. Not bad for 5, 9 & 10! And of course we've never vaccinated them.

I think we ARE pretty good parents! But we've put a lot of effort into it. After all, the kids ARE the future.

You can only get out what you put in, right?!

Makes me wonder what on earth is going through most people's brains, parents or otherwise. 'Not very much' is the answer that comes to me...!

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BlazeCloude3's avatar

Congratulations! You probably are good parents and your children are blessed and blessings. It happens; just not as commonly as it once did as even up to 2012 virtually everybody believed in the 'Golden Rule' even if they lived alternative lifestyles. So much had changed in marriage, cohabitating, divorce rates, family, abortion and raising kids since the 1960's which was the time of Vatican II when morality/ethics of 'The Bible' began to be undermined and hallowed out. Now, the CIA and Rothschilds Central Bankers removed Banking Services from the Vatican and threatened the Nation State with violence if they didn't REMOVE the Pope to replace him with an Anti-Pope not even pretending faith in Jesus...Who supports homosexuality and places a Demon Goddess, Pachamama, from South America on the Alter.

I worked with many families in my vocation and retired early to run the multi-generational family farm. We opened a 'Home School' for the Grandkids and neighborhood people and while prioritizing the kids and their development it's an active decision to provide a Support System for our kids and neighborhood parents.

I sincerely HOPE YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL SUPPORT SYSTEM FOR YOURSELVES AS PARENTS as life can be pretty difficult to maintain balance without it.

YOUR CHILDREN ARE VERY BLESSED TO HAVE YOU FOR A MOM!!! 🙏🏻😉🙋🏻‍♀️

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Sirka Sie's avatar

Amazing. God Bless you and your family🙏❤️

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Ray Alford's avatar

Wow, BC-3!

Your life appears to be a "blue-print" of what the God of Creation has made for the family lay-out! THANK YOU, on behalf of all those you've tutored and shown the importance of healthy living to. And of course, along that path, you've subjected them to the Truth found in The Gospel of Christ. Souls having developed systems of true value in the education of life, will be rewarded a thousand-fold by our Redeemer. And that is an understatement to be sure!

God bless you and yours eternally!

Ray

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BlazeCloude3's avatar

Only by the grace of our Savior, Jesus Christ...Are any of us anything and nothing on Earth is perfect. All are sinners and act in evil; but not all are evil as it can only be determined by discernment from the Holy Spirit if not actual events repeated throughout life based in evil.

We can only try...In these trying times. Mostly, if our kids mean anything to any of us beyond child-bearing years...WE WILL GET OFF OUR LAZY BUMS TO FIGHT THIS FOE WITH ALL WE HAVE JUST AS THE GENERATIONS BEFORE US HAD THE COURAGE TO DO. For those beyond child-bearing years...The best we can do is to plant the seeds of truth and hope they are watered to grow a stronger society capable of at least trying to keep FREEDOM alive and well for themselves and the Grandchildren coming after us.

GOD BLESS AND KEEP YOU AND YOURS AS WELL. 🙏🏻🙋🏻‍♀️🙏🏻

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Ray Alford's avatar

BC-3

Thankyou for the blessing wish! Agreement squared! You paint a clear and truthful picture.

I'm past child bearing years (66) but hope to engage in a ministry of giving away tropical plants as a means to promote (along with that gift) some literature; simple and direct to the Gospel Pointedly for the youth. Things are getting set up in that direction, and it's my prayer that soon it can begin. The plants are ready, and the literature is almost ready. And it seems that very soon, "conditions" in the world will cause people's minds to be more open to suggestion. The H.S.'s presence will become more evident; growing in intensity, and effectiveness, since "the time is short."

I'm looking forward to those times ahead with a bit of apprehension, but allowing faith, hope, and prayer to lead out toward the opened doors thereof. Things will surely be frightening, if we allow fear to enter. But as you made mention, for us to be brave, as were our predecessors, is God's plan for His children in these troubled times now and ahead.

Thanks again, Sir!

Ray

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BlazeCloude3's avatar

Your words spoken in such a tone contain the resonance of truth as well. The future is rather frightening and we wouldn't be human if we didn't suffer a bit...Even Jesus suffered in the Garden of Gethsemane and it continues to be unimaginable for me. Suffering generally does serve to bring souls to God...So, guess Jesus is fishing and hitting the deepest waters having the largest schools soon.

Honestly, have a wonderful evening and find something to laugh at every day.

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Philanthropy Poketwanus's avatar

We went out then we came back.

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cl's avatar

you have the same name as my RE teacher in the 80s, UK ( I really hope it's Mr Alford of the blues brothers skit ... I guess not, likely 😎)

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Dr Kay's avatar

News is bread and circus. "Chaos going on over in ring #2, everybody, quick, look over here!" Meanwhile, the clowns from now-dark ring #1 are weaving their way through the audience picking everyones' pockets without notice......and ring #3 is being set up for the main event; it's gonna be the biggest show on Earth!

- The proclivity to only focus on whatever it is that is put before you is the result of decades of social programming which certainly did take solid root with the CIA's social programming campaign and their weaponization of language ("conspiracy theorist"). Steering people into detail-oriented thinking (specialization - reductionist thinking) and away from big-picture thinking (pattern recognition) has created an entire population who cannot see the forest because all they can focus on is one tree at a time.

When you look back at how public education has morphed and devolved, you can clearly see the slow, inch-by-inch progression into smaller boxes with thicker walls. The push to demonize liberal arts (which, back in the day was entirely big picture, teaching people how to think instead of what to think, and was all about holistic systems) and to heavily promote science (specialization, with no knowledge or even awareness of anything outside of that one little area ) has made it so easy to control otherwise intelligent people. It's been a very deliberate campaign, using very effective strategies that big-picture thinking alone is capable of; because the parasites behind the curtain are fully aware of systems, and the big picture........and they know that by programming people not to think in that way, the population is incapable of recognizing what is going on, and in many cases insists that it ISN'T going on at all!

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Sirka Sie's avatar

EXACTLY!!!!

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rickrolled's avatar

I think you’ve summed it up perfectly.

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rickrolled's avatar

Although you did not mention the Rockefellers and the Bank of International Settlements, whom I believe are at the center of all this.

Ie. the big op is “Herd Culling of the Useless Eaters” stacked with “Total Financial Surveillance”.

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BlazeCloude3's avatar

Concur! Trying to keep things simple. So many have the ability to focus limited to a text meme...So, it's not easy sometimes. 👍🏼🤔

Thanks for your Addendum...More people need to build upon what others write...To keep all nice and neat; easy to digest in small portions.

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SAMO's avatar

@ Igor: ...some questions remain unanswered.... Maybe; but not for long. But let's walk through this.

1. Wasn't it illegal to do gain of function here in the US? Yes, it was. So it had to be outsourced to another country.

2. Outsourced where? China is willing to pay US politicians to betray their own country - so that seems like a great place - and they already have the labs set up - even though they may not have been high enough level labs (that is, clean, secure, able to contain a dangerous virus, etc).

3. China is only "enemy territory" if you value your country and freedom over dirty money -- or you think your dirty money can buy you safety. It can't - at least not forever.

4. Where else do we have bioweapons labs?

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Richard A's avatar

Ukraine at least. The last I heard about the number of biolabs there was 37. Russia says we're doing germ warfare research there, Nuland says its for prevention of disease. Of course she would say that, she's paid to lie and to kill or have people killed in her job. WWIII starts? Blame Nuland, Biden, obama and the neo cons in general.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

If Victoria Nuland shows up in your country, death and destruction are sure to follow.

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Jomico's avatar

Yes .. there a bigger storm on the horizon... we already been through three years of a mini...we ain’t seen nothing yet...

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Jane Teller's avatar

The last I heard about the number of US biolabs in Ukraine was 46.

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186no's avatar

Daszak and Baric have already spilled those beans; Baric and Zheng Li combined to splice animal coronaviruses from rats/bats and there is a paper circa 2015/16 that Baric wrote if memory serves describing exactly how they did this - and if I remember correctly Zheng Li also published a paper around this time describing her "research"; is this/are they not the source of the information that they "devised" 8 viral subjects from which 2 viable chimeric viruses were produced. Did these not contain the spliced backbone from a different virus source - the Furin Cleavage site - which contained genetic code NOT present in ANY coronavirus up to then and still not found to date as far as I have read? This inserted code enables a pathogenic reaction enabling the chimeric virus to attach to human ACE 2 receptors in humans not seen in ANY coronavirus, to date, period; zoonosis theory as the source of SARS COV2 is a complete gaslighting exercise.

David Martin has documented the US Patent history of research into coronavirus et al since ~2000 - and he confirmed that such genetic modification of a (natural) virus constitutes a bioweapon in US Statutes amongst many other coincidences that cannot all be just that.

We know that Dazsak stated without any doubt that his intention was to facilitate Pharmaco profit massively from a pandemic that scares the shit out of everyone, only for the "vaccine Cavalry" to come galloping over the hill just in time - and that was NEVER going to be a one-off exercise hence the push using mRNA to enable other miracle cures to be fast tracked with other pandemics - is it only me that see the WHO's evil intent with their intended new supranational Health regime?

(David Martin has also documented the policy of Fauci to commit UStax $ for research and then take some - maybe partial or whole legal interest in a resulting patent. He also describes the decades long policy, in which Fauci is heavily involved, where his quango has been involved in funding research after which a patent ( which might not be of any commercial worth at all , and/or never has been) which has already been paid for at least in part if not whole by US taxpayers to a US University by the patent holder, usually a Pharmacy; the assignment is a tax write off for Pharmaco and the university claims it as a charitable donation and claims an identical value , from the US tax payer....Pharmaco's have been sanctioned but no Uni to the date of his video earlier this year)

That has been exposed just as the original mRNA so called vaccine trials have been shown in ever more greater detail to be grossly but intentionally very scant, about which Pfizer et al have consistently lied, covered up, tried to embargo all trial data for 75 years, are extremely suspect and even to a non scientist like me never intended to be scrutinised too closely; EMA/FDA are very guilty here - UK MHRA too, and which is now a "drug enabler" NOT a drug regulator - Dame ( how?) June Raine's OWN words....more proof needed?

Germ warfare is a blind imho - Russia has a history of doing exactly the same - hence Novichok - and using it (Salisbury); UK also ( Porton Down ); US - Fort Derrick.

Please remember that Farrar and Fauci were fingered by the disclosure in THOSE emails - cc'd to several European Scientists including Patrick Vallance as HoR at GSK at the time before he became UK CSO - that they were aware of the UniNCal research and Farrar & Co stated in one email that "it " looked engineered when discussing a certain (corona)virus which involved UniNCal and Wuhan - more proof needed?

If this whole episode was not preplanned in the run up to 2019, it might well be that certain very malign elements - Pharma/WHO/UN/GAVI/Gates & Co/Schwab - saw a chance to "bandwagon" for their own ends - and that has now morphed into something one hell of a lot bigger as malevolent politicians got into bed/jumped on the bandwagon -- because they immediately saw how THEIR Globalist agenda could be delivered just like a scam virus if only because all their "sleepers" could be instantly activated (Trudeau/Sunak/Biden/Trudeau etc etc etc ) with Government quangos ( UK - OFCOM/MHRA/JCVI/ONS/PHE England> UKHSA/NHS/GMC ) which colluded with BigTech/UK Intelligence to monitor, collate, suppress ANY comments questioning the "official narrative" - viz Prof Carl Heneghan for just one, David Davis UK MP and former Govt Minister for another; and their equivalent of the "new pandemic" is the remora like AWG/CC bollux being used as a Trojan horse for all their anti human depopulating agendas rolled into 1.

Apologies for this "stream of consciousness" that may be very wide of the mark - all from memory as I have too many sources stored to read through them all so very happy to be corrected. None of this indicates to me that human health was/is the driver - precisely the opposite; there are so many "wake up" calls it amazes me that sone folks still swallow this garbage.....

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

This may not be the paper you have in mind, but it's one of my prime exhibits. You don't have to be a microbiologist to realize this paper describes making a protyple of what SARS-CoV-2 later was.

I beleive you are right about the furin cleavage site not being present in natural viruses. According to some "alternative" writers, neither are the multiple edits of HIV virus data.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/pdf/10.1073/pnas.1517719113

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186no's avatar

Quite - I struggle with the breadth of all the issues and am aware that elements of the HIV virus figure - as Farrar wrote - "it appears engineered" ....I am unable to understand the microbiology behind this paper and related issues except that the nexus of Fauci/Daszak/Darpa/US military and Intelligence Services/Baric/WIV/CCP/Chinese military perhaps did not have the interest of mankind uppermost?

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RDP's avatar

Russia used Novichok only in the calculated wet dreams of the MI6 and media shills.

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186no's avatar

…. and Russia did not employ Polonium either - which part of the Lubyanka is paying you ??

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SAMO's avatar

@ Just a Clinician: Here's a map of BSL4 labs (but China didn't bother to do their work in one).

Of course not! What could go wrong? Or . . . perfect excuse if purposeful release.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

US has bioweapons labs in Ukraine and throughout Africa.

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Unagnu's avatar

no one mentions africa but interesting ebola and marburg originate there

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

...cooked up in the US funded bioweapons labs.

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Dr Linda's avatar

Absolutely correct on my mind

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SAMO's avatar

Bingo!

Last count in 2022 was 46 US bioweapons labs in Ukraine.

Yeah.

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Dr.Who's avatar

Pardon the interruption, but this question MUST BE answered. Because to put the blame solely on the Chinese military is doing atleast two things: (1) creating diversion away from a possible American project, which also explains the biolabs in UKR. And (2) feeding into the hatred towards China to eventually justify war on China.

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Copernicus's avatar

David Martin gave an articulate presentation to the European Parliament at the International C0vld summit in May describing the U S mliltarey work since 1965 with c0r0n@viruses as weap0ns. It's on Rumble in various places.

So for The Times to point all the blame at Chln@ is very convenient and probably wrong.

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Margaret Laub's avatar

Purposefully wrong!

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Martha72's avatar

China is already at war with the US, but most people do not realize it. If they can accomplish their goals without putting their soldiers at risk, and if they can accomplish their goals by stealth, why take the risks of an open war? The Chinese speak of "total war" which includes economic, propaganda, etc. The story of Dr. Lieber at this link https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/pr/former-harvard-university-professor-sentenced-lying-about-his-affiliation-wuhan shows one example of how they operate - Lieber was a Harvard professor and researcher who was on salary at Harvard while also earning $50,000 a month working for China. He had an active duty Chinese military officer, a lieutenant, working in his lab as a student lab assistant, though the "student" did not reveal his Chinese military employment when he applied for a student visa. Dr. Lieber knew - he was being paid to train this Chinese researcher, and Dr. Lieber also helped to set up the bioweapons lab at Wuhan. Lieber was charged with espionage and convicted on several lesser charges. But he is not the only US scientist employed by China through China's "Thousand Talents" program. China has been busily buying up US scientists, researchers, and professors, and also stealing info from US businesses, violating the companies' intellectual property rights, illegally working against the US at many, many levels. I don't "hate" Chinese people, but their government is at war against the US, and using money to buy off scientists and to buy off professors who help to spread Chinese propaganda etc. China has been buying up US farmland every chance they get perhaps with an eye to controlling our food production? Their government, enslaves vast segments of their own population, has no respect for human rights (imprisons many for participation in religious faith or spiritual practices whether Christian or Falun Gong, also imposing forced abortion for decades) - the Chinese Communist government has a barbaric record of human rights violations. And - that government actively is involved in a stealth war against the US, which is real - not only was the virus create in a bioweapons lab in Wuhan, but once China had an actual epidemic on its hands - they shut down domestic travel out of Wuhan, while letting planes take off for the US and other countries, intentionally allowing the virus to spread to other countries. And advice and information that the Chinese gave to the world was generally harmful, and contrary to the truth, for example, they told the world, "don't give anti-inflammatory meds or steroids for the Covid infection" saying these meds would make things worse, when these were meds that would have reduced the severity of the infection and would have saved lives - and initially doctors avoided using them because China, the first to experience the virus, said these meds were harmful. So, I believe they knowingly gave false information that increased death counts in the US and other countries also. But I don't hate the Chinese people - I feel sad for people who have to live under this oppressive government - and I don't want a shooting war if it can be avoided. But I think people need to open their eyes to the many ways that the Chinese government acts on its desire to destroy the US. But yes, certainly, Americans have had a role in working in support of Chinese interests against American interests, and this must come to light.

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HardeeHo's avatar

And China has done well possibly corrupting politicians even our President who stopped the effort to investigate Chinese operations in the US. Can't be anti-Asian, you see.

Wonder if we will ever see comic books with the words Chinks and gapped teeth? WW2 cartoons were not kind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy9rGAO-qfc. A bit of PsyOps of it's day.

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Mark's avatar

Have you ever read ANY of the statements that have been made by Chinese officials? Especially the ones endorsing biological war against us?

Here’s a nice peaceful example:

https://jrnyquist.blog/2019/09/11/the-secret-speech-of-general-chi-haotian/

And for those who think that the above speech is somehow a ‘one off’, there are many more such statements that have been made by Chinese officials.

They are the ones who have beefed up their offensive capabilities..... their navy is now technically bigger than ours.

THEY are the ones who seem to be spoiling for a fight, not us.

It’s ridiculous to think that the US is trying to justify a war with China, especially since the Pentagon says that we might actually loose it.

A side note.

I’m no fan of the Biden regime or of the ‘deep state’. There need to be MAJOR reforms in the US government to return it to the constitutional republic that it was meant to be.

But this ‘ blame the American Empire for everything’ crap is getting a little old .

Not everything is our fault.....

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ArnoldF's avatar

Agree Mark. JRNyquist at his blog site has a good handle on the communist strategy to divide and conquer the west.

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Kalle Pihlajasaari's avatar

War is a armaments marketing exercise, it just has to look scary, the goal is just to expend munitions. Countries are simply advertising agencies for the military industrial complex.

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

I respectfully disagree with your apparent belief that only China is the bad guy and that the USA/"The West" can do no wrong. "Our" government is anything but "ours." Very powerful people behind the scenes pull the strings. Of course I have no way to prove it, but are you really so brainwashed as to believe that "our" side, or more likely a renegade group within, would never stoop to dirty tricks like a false flag biological attack?

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Mark's avatar

I’ve never said that we are completely innocent. And I’m certainly not brainwashed by our government.

But I do have the ability to read the public comments made by Chinese officials. Their comments make National Socialism seem almost reasonable in comparison.

I hope that I’m wrong and that the Chinese are not really a threat, but I suspect that I (and many others) will be proven right in the end.

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ArnoldF's avatar

China is intent on conquering the United States. I blame them for taking what we provided them and weaponizing it. They have used it against the world and the globalists have gone along with it. Communists and globalists--hand and glove.

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Martha72's avatar

One might wonder if those sending the funding for this project were actually Chinese agents? Working for China against the US? Even if US citizens. China has bought off some of our scientists. Just for a known example - Dr. Charles Lieber, a Harvard professor and researcher, was being paid 50,000 dollars per month to do work for the Chinese government, while also receiving US government research grants. He had in his lab a "research assistant" who was also an active duty Chinese military lieutenant which had not been disclosed when he applied for his student visa. Dr. Lieber had helped to set up the lab at Wuhan. Dr. Lieber had apparently made false statements to US government officials, and eventually was charged with espionage, though convicted of some lesser charges. https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/pr/former-harvard-university-professor-sentenced-lying-about-his-affiliation-wuhan But any of those involved in the Wuhan project, providing funding or collaborating with the research which led to such great harms worldwide, though I think especially in the US - one might consider that perhaps some of those involved were in fact working for China. China talks about "total warfare" which includes economic warfare - and certainly the lockdowns contributed to financial harms in the US, though of course there were harms to the US on many levels during the pandemic. So - no question that US agencies were involved, but the research took place in a Chinese bioweapons lab. America's involvement in this was a well-kept secret for some years. Maybe, just like Dr. Lieber, some of those involved were actually Chinese agents, employed by China?

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ArnoldF's avatar

Likely in many institutions of power, the United States, Canada and Australia have been infiltrated and compromised by communist chinese agents and military pretending to be here academically or pharmaceutical scientists. The Soviet communists started infiltration in the 1940's--McCarthy, Nixon and the HUAC committees were all correct and been proven correct by Venona encryptions. But now, it is bribery, and likely blackmail that Chinese communists have engaged in causing many political leaders and well meaning scientists to commit acts that would be considered treasonable. I believe foreign agents within our intelligence and military operations enabled the events of 911 to occur right under our noses without us knowing about it while there was still time to prevent it. Marxist ideology has spread into our military academies--all through our 'freedoms'. Ben Franklin was correct that the American experiment must be 'kept'.

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HardeeHo's avatar

Well they understand our lust for money. In the process of also understanding us perhaps we are headed to a fiscal cliff. They do not share our values about life, nor liberty. And sadly to some degree many in our government don't believe in our liberty either.

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ArnoldF's avatar

'perhaps'. for certain. writers and leaders like Ross Perot were warning America 30 years ago of this day. Fiat money without backing of gold, precious metals or something tangible is a pile of worthless paper. I believe deals were secretly made with China to negotiate debt for United States physical assets...the only thing keeping them from foreclosing on those assets is our military.

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Mark's avatar

And it’s entirely possible that Joseph Biden is doing the same thing.

I cannot think of another reason why that Chinese surveillance balloon wasn’t shot down.

Someone in our government wanted that balloon to succeed in its mission....... and there are many more examples of us allowing/encouraging/sponsoring Chinese military and economic development....to the detriment of our country.

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RingmasteroftheSShow's avatar

One HAS to ask the question - Why is The Times reporting this finally???? Because all of us here find this to be old news. I am suspicious that this is to draw attention away from the fact that the US gov't was behind the majority of the pandemic AND the jab. And also to provide a reason to go to a hot war with China (we are already at war with them, it's just been 5th gen/covert)....the economy is on the edge of collapse and only a war can save the Uniparty's bacon now. Otherwise all the gun owning Americans will be pretty pissed about losing their 401k's. Honestly, I think they were hoping to pushed us into a violent response during all these overreaching Covid policies so they could enforce martial law BEFORE the economic collapse. So yeah. Color me suspicious when MSM prints a piece of the Truth. They are, and always will be, puppet shills.

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Mark's avatar

It’s old news for us, those who have been paying attention. But it’s new information for most of those who fell for the lies that the government and media have been pushing.

Just because it’s ‘old news’ to us doesn’t necessarily make it untrue.

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186no's avatar

Very good question - if you consider that these "events" are, say, the alphabet, they are beginning at, say, D; and A- C might be the fraud of these dangerous mRNA drugs they have dared not - at least up to now - question; the latest of which the UK MHRA, now a self titled "drug enabler" and not a drug regulator, has been waved through. The utterly scary thing is the admittance by UK MHRA of the paucity of the testing regimes adopted in the trial of a drug majorly funded by Gates - is Dame June Raine so emboldened that she admits to criminal lack of oversight - because she has been allowed to get away with the egregious "no short cuts were taken" bollux with the mRNA SARS COV2 drugs - subsequently shown to be a tissue of lies; why has she not been arrested? (rhetorical....)

The Daily Telegraph has done a similar thing with the Hancock WhatsApp messages and now the Dowden controlled censorship scandal in bed with, amongst others, Big Tech. They have surely ignored the scope of what the Times has published - will either of them or the rest of the MSM report Dr Thomas Binder's scientifically indisputable take down of the entire SARS COV2/RT PCR/CV19/mRNA scamdemic? I dont know what these broadsheets and others "know" and they certainly have been "shills" to the narrative to date; but their volte face has to start somewhere. Please remember that the TNI is the public face of the WHO/WEF/Gates/Pharma/Big tech nexus - even though that is now crumbling given the efforts of Canadians to scupper CNBC's epically poor track record?

I consider the Times investigation to be "A Good Thing" - lets see where it goes and who joins it. It also occurs to me that Woodward and Bernstein faced a very sceptical Bradlee and others running TWP before numerous criminal cases resulted in resignations and stir time for a lot of those who denied everything up 'til then - and their dogged work was shown to be 100% true, thanks due to Mark Felt for sure. Is this what is starting to run now? I wonder what Mark Steyn thinks ?

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Margaret Laub's avatar

Copernicus is correct: blaming China is the way the US government deep state again hides its own dirty work...please read all of the contracts between the US DOD and Pfizer and Moderna...the injections were countermeasures to a US funded bio weapon (virus). (See Sasha Laytpova’s well written, researched Substack for more)

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Martha72's avatar

Actually, many people believe, with good reason, that the vaccine was the bioweapon, or they both were. The vaccine is more harmful than the virus, but the virus was the reason to give the vaccine - which is much, much more harmful with longer term harms than most people realize. The spike protein turns off some genes that regulate immunity and turns on cancer genes (and there is much more spike protein in the body for a much longer period of time with the shot than with the actual viral infection). There is research showing increased prion disease after the injections (think, mad cow disease). The myocarditis and heart attacks. The injections were alleged to be "countermeasures" to the virus, but the injections are also bioweapons.

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186no's avatar

Nope; it IS a US military project at least in part and it does involve the Chinese CCP and military because of their totalitarian control of the WIV.

What it does allude to is complicit behaviour in a chain of events - it is clearly not wholly a US project but consider this; China and the US have self evidently combined to produce a chimeric coronavirus that, via GoF genetic modification ( at one time such research outlawed by the US and ignored by Daszak and Baricc successfully), is pathogenic to humans . The supposed "vaccine" is developed in record time by several Pharmacos but the main driver is Moderna, a US Pharmacy with not the most successful track record but which has been combined with other Pharmacos well before SARS COV2 was a "thing" - but it turns out the "vaccine" is shown to be not efficacious as per US FDA drug approval processes (minimum 50% ), does not prevent transmission/infection/hospitalisation and has known, repeat known adverse effects and mortality events from the trials (and after) at the highest level, greater than all novel drugs trialled in the US over the previous 4 decades - never mind the completely illegal EUA status granted by US/EU/UK et al government health quangos and the suppression of existing Ads such as IVM/HDQ etc.

The virus escapes from WIV; the drugs administered are now revealed to be self evidently worse than the infection experienced by the vast majority of people, and the long term effects on health have yet to be established, partly because Pfizer for one destroyed the drug trial cohort by giving the participants their mRNA drug - just why was that ?).

Given the involvement of the US military - Ft Detrick etc - and the US Intelligence agencies ( cf David Martin), the world worst experimental drug episode is only possible because of the WHO ( CCP controlled ), CCP and US - with some other subsidiary "players". If it were possible to take China and the US to court to seek redress for the millions of people who have been harmed/died, it would bankrupt the US and China - so that will never happen ( but it should, with "others" also bankrupted too)

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Cristina7's avatar

I’m afraid the thread was lost and the comment I was alluding to agrees mostly with yours.

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186no's avatar

If on a Mac, try 'command Z" until your draft comes back - happens to me occasionally especially when you C&P from another post - it can happen repeatedly...?

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Cristina7's avatar

Thank you!

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Mark's avatar

So when did someone in US intelligence (or NIAID) alert Bill Gates, and probably others, that something had been released (or escaped) from Wuhan???

I remember reading that US intelligence may have known about covid months earlier than originally reported.

It’s entirely possible that such information was disseminated to certain individuals before it became public knowledge.

Seems to happen in Congress all the time.

Another form of insider trading.....

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186no's avatar

Given Gates funding of GAVI/Unitaid and his use of the BMGF as documented in vast detail over the last few years and his stated aims - global habitual vaccination - that his investment in and subsequent sale of holdings in SARS COV2 mRNA experimental drug developers has NOT apparently been on the radar of the SEC and others ...beggars belief ( maybe..)

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pandelis's avatar

trump knew

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Pamela Chiu's avatar

It would have if ppl would have been treated properly and not gotten the damn shots

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Paving the Way's avatar

Because Obama made GOF research illegal. They had to go offshore.

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pebbleanttoast's avatar

Andrew G. Huff is the former VP of Data and Technology at EcoHealth Alliance. He is also a whistleblower and wrote a book in 2022 called "The Truth about Wuhan: How I Uncovered the Biggest Lie in History".

I heard an interview with him some months ago and his explanations of the US/China relationship and how it led to the outbreak make a lot of sense. His timeline and sequence of events is also really interesting. I don't know why he hasn't received more attention in the non-mainstream media.

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Steenroid's avatar

Wasn’t it because GOF was banned in the US land? Wonder what they were doing in Ukraine labs?

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Ministry of Truth's avatar

The reason for foreign lab being funded for US bio-weapon research is because during the Obama administration the Biological Weapons Convention Treaty was revised not allowing the US to do that research any longer in the US. That's when the US moved this virus bio-weapon research with NIH funding to Wuhan, and some reports Ukraine?

Info:

The Wuhan Institute of Virology, founded in the 1950s, is a prominent research facility that enjoyed an even more elevated profile after it opened the BSL-4 lab in 2015.

China looked to France to overcome the lack of local expertise and the two countries signed an agreement in 2004 to build the 300 million yuan (US$42.4 million) lab in Wuhan.

Jul 28, 2021 The U.S. federal government should have stopped funding research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in 2015 when China reduced its cooperation with the French in building and operating the lab ...

What's True

A portion of $3.7 million in grants awarded between 2014 and 2019 by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) to EcoHealth Alliance, a global environmental health nonprofit organization, helped fund research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China.

What's False

However, not all of that $3.7 million went to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and not all of the funding took place under the Obama administration. Approximately $700,000 of the $3.7 million total was approved under Donald Trump.

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Laura Garcia's avatar

Maybe because they already are working for the globalists who no longer have any use for the paradigm of national borders and sovereign nations. Let’s not forget how Gates and Warren Buffet went to China around 2010(interestingly around the same time Moderna was founded) to solicit and convince the ultra rich and fin/tech elite of China of the power of philanthropy. Let’s face it their idea of philanthropy is better labeled predatory philanthropy....it is the means by which they are building the NWO totalitarian fascist technocracy.

The “foundations of (supposed) good will” often heavily associated with or directly sponsored by corporate entities and goals are being used to capture and direct our government. Sadly Americans have become very accustomed to living beyond their means while showing less and less knowledge or interest in actual democratic principles and the idea that responsibilities accompany rights. They rather like the idea of being funded by Gates et al and thereby willingly drink the kool aid. Too much sacrifice would be required (although doable) by average citizens but we instead parrot sound bites spoon fed by the media, virtue signal and forget that nothing in life worth having is free.

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Meir's avatar

I tend to think that the Chinese bio weapons work was likely “on the side,” although if US founders had any sense, they would expect it. Maybe they do but don’t care.

The bio weapon angle does jive with China’s disproportionate internal response (after seeding) - I.e., that they weren’t sure how many strains were out there or how virulent, and were terrified of the worst case.

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