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Neil Timmerman's avatar

That's what I've observed is done in politics sometimes -- you push through a negative and turn it into a positive. You demonstrate that you're confident and firm in your views and ideas by owning the slur and proclaiming it. Others see it and are curious. As your ranks grow, the other side has to retreat from the slur. Could be a while with anti-vaxxer but I'm in. I am 100% pro-freedom. No vaccine should be required. An entirely new approach to disease prevention is possible. And anyone who chortles at that should look around. Does American society look healthy to you?

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Dr Linda's avatar

Great point. A healthy society is a threat though. The self inflicted ill-health allows certain industries to thrive. These industries do NOT us to be well but rather dependent on them; I throw big government into that group.

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Faith's avatar

Healthy people make no profits for the Medical-Industrial Complex.

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Perry Simms's avatar

Which is why my dad insisted on the panel discussing and evaluating the character of students applying to the medical school. Perhaps unsurprisingly some found this too 'old fashioned'.

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Apparently FAUCI didn't attend THAT medical school!

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I don't think it is that easy to cheat on a comprehensive evaluation. The examiners are quite cognizant of people trying to "beat the system" and are prepared for such applicants.

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They apparently are not being tested in relevant areas. If a school focuses on SAT scores to the exclusion of other ways of evaluating intelligence, they will get conformists who are very good at memorizing facts and "playing the academic game" but who won't necessarily be competent in other ways that intelligence can be characterized. Like abstract reasoning skills, or "social" intelligence that could include things like a good "bedside manner", empathy, and ethics.

Decades ago when I was in high school, I was of the opinion that the straight A students were rather dumb. Too conformist with what I understood to be an overly regimented, inhumane educational system that is designed to turn out "cogs in the wheel" semi-robots. Only later did I learn that it was designed to be exactly that: to produce compliant slaves for the System. And only people who "buy into" the system will excel and go on to become "educators" themselves, perpetuating the whole rotten mess! Medical schools traditionally have abused the students (though it may be getting a little better) to psychologically "beat them into submission" to The System, reminiscent of Boot Camp brainwashing. To succeed, doctors must obey the rigid rules. So lots of less-than-stellar human beings can learn to play the game and end up doctors.

(Meanwhile, "heretics" like our COVID Heros get censored and censured! )

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John's avatar

Healthy people are the profits in medicine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=117bncRb7DA

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Mike B's avatar

Absolutely! I’m old enough to remember better times in the USA and Europe as well. In my senior highschool days in 1974 I spent an entire summer visiting the mother of my school buddy who had married a GI and now lived in Glendale, Ca. For a young German those were the best holidays of my life. We traveled up and down the west coast, from San Diego to San Francisco, did river rafting on the Tahoe River and in the Grand Canyon. We visited Las Vegas and Denver. Hollywood and Disneyland were still awesome and not woke. Even L.A. was mostly safe (except some parts like Watts). What I saw looked like peak western civilization to me.

To your point: we spent many days at Venice Beach, sun bathing and swimming. I vividly remember that the overwhelming majority of beach goers looked extremely fit, slim, and healthy. Obesity was a rare exception back then. During the early 60s and 70s there were just three mandatory childhood vaccinations in Germany and I assume it was about the same in the US. In 2017 and 2020 we visited our kids in America and went to the beaches in South Carolina. Nowadays, the fit, slim, and healthy looking people at the beaches are a tiny minority and shopping for groceries at Walmart is like a dystopian movie filled with extreme obese folks driving those little E-scooters (often reminded me of those folks in the flic Wall-E). That’s why we switched to Farmer’s market. The difference (and one of the probable causes) for this significant deterioration in public health: there are now 76 vaccinations on the schedule.

Our grandson is one of the many kids who suffered vaccine damage. One of his early vaccinations turned a well behaved friendly toddler into an uncontrollable kid and then teen with lasting behavioral problems (primarily ADHD). Of course, his child psychiatrist was quick to prescribe Ritalin and other psychotropic substances which made things even worse and added raging ODD to his many ailments. To me it looked like the results of substantial damage to the prefrontal cortex, resulting in severely reduced ability to control impulsive behaviors, affects and almost no capability to think through the consequences of his own behavior. It was a nightmare and it only ended when we got him off the prescription drugs, put him on a special diet, and got him into psychotherapy. He’s mostly back to normal now in his early 20s but this iatrogenic damage made him and the rest of the family go through years of hell.

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Tina's avatar

My son started showing ADHD symptoms in preschool. He couldn’t sit still, was always jumping on the furniture, had trouble focusing, babbled nonsense words non-stop, etc. His teachers and pediatrician were mentioning the possibility of medication. Having seen what that did to my nephew, I was searching for other options. After reading a friend’s post on FB, I tried eliminating red dye 40 from his diet. It is hard to do because it is in so many things including toothpaste and medicine. At the time, he loved to eat strawberry Nutrigrain cereal bars and had anywhere from 1-3 bars per day. After just two days without those cereal bars or other foods with RD40, he was a totally different kid! I kid you not. The change was shocking. He immediately started reading and had so much more self control and focus. And after that, we could always tell when he’d eaten RD40 because without fail, the old symptoms would return.

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Perry Simms's avatar

Funny my cancer-researcher dad told me RD40 and some other dyes were 'of concern' back in the 80s and I never looked into it.

Looks like a lot of research has been done since then. Lots of sites discussing it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3441937/

https://www.amenclinics.com/blog/brain-health-guide-red-dye-40/

Welp. Now i'm also militantly anti-processed foods. That was the last straw.

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Tina's avatar

Artificial dyes are made from coal, as in the black rock dug from the bowels of the earth. Who thought that should be put in our food?!

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Sophia's avatar

wow! when it’s so easy to dye food with natural plant-based colorants… why?!

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Mike B's avatar

Thanks for that pro tip! Yes, our grandson was exactly like that. When I was on watch duty I sometimes had a hard time keeping him from driving his bike onto the bypassing country road right in front of oncoming traffic. It was a constant struggle just to keep him from getting himself killed.

My wife accompanied him into special needs class for ADHD kids and told me it was like a zoo. The whole class was in constant uproar, running around, jumping on tables, fighting, screaming, etc. Horrible experience. Yet she kept going, tried to help out, became an honorary teacher later on. We as western societies have failed generations of kids and watched them getting sacrificed for the shareholder value of the pharma mafia and probably some godforsaken NWO agenda.

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Tina's avatar

Kudos to you and your wife for taking such an active role in your grandson’s health. I’ve passed along my experience to other parents with kids showing ADHD symptoms. Changing their diet is such a simple thing to try but doctors never suggest it. And the parents I’ve talked to think it is easier to drug the kid (potentially for life) and keep feeding him colorful, processed crap. I really worry about all the harm being done to these poor kids.

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Freedom Lover's avatar

Shareholder value needs destigmatization just as anti-vaxx.

It’s corruption, whether in politics or business, that needs rooting out.

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Mike B's avatar

We‘re beyond free-market capitalism and shareholder value – we really should’ve tried that one.

But now we have Malthusian stakeholder capitalism à la WEF eugenicists.

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Freedom Lover's avatar

Agreed!! BUT!!! Just as we must stop incorrectly calling mRNA therapies “vaccines” we must stop using capitalism with any disparaging words preceding it.

Crony, Malthusian stakeholder etc are antitheses to capitalism. Do NOT use capitalism with these terms.

Left took over and drives our language to the detriment of everyone but themselves.

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Mike B's avatar

Full Ack! As another substack author pointed out: «If human thought and communication [in the field of science, politics, philosophy, religion] are a program whose alleged function is to bring thoughts in line with reality, certain neologisms and ideology-infested memes, when introduced into the system, can interfere with this function or destroy it altogether. [that’s what the collectivists have successfully done]

They "break the collective brain," so to speak. Such memes are naturally selected and cultivated by those for whom the successful function of the program - that is, the identification of reality - is against their own interests.»

That’s why I normally don’t use the terminology of the WEF oligarchy or that of their moronic leftist minions. Their project isn’t any form of capitalism but a neofascist, technocratic global tyranny.

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JustANobody's avatar

Wow. Very interesting! I never could tolerate it and I would throw up. My body knew!!

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Faith's avatar

Do you know if your grandson is taking brain-supportive nutrients like PQQ, CoQ10, magnesium, melatonin, Annatto for its tocotrienols, astaxanthan, fish oil, resveritrol, grape seed extract, turmeric, alpha lipoic acid, ETC.? They can help brains to heal. Also, going gluten-free/grain-free helps a lot of people, as does intermittent fasting to trigger autophagy. Even meditation has been shown to increase brain grey matter and helps in healing.

By the way, I grew up right next to Glendale, CA! Small world!

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Mike B's avatar

Thanks! We used some of those nutrients + plus dietary changes tailored to these kids. Since he’s back to a functioning state now and going his own ways as an adult I can’t really say whether he’s still continuing any of that. Heck, we can’t even visit our folks b/c we refuse the quaccines. But I’ll ask him next time he shows up on FaceTime.

Glendale was really great back then, as was most of everything we got to see. When the summer holidays ended they had to drag me out kickin’ and screaming. I came back to L.A. with my future wife in the mid 80s and immediately noticed that things had began to go south (no pun intended to those southerners): when we stepped out of LAX and onto the bus terminal we found ourselves in the middle of a shootout – a warm ‘welcome back’ of sorts.

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Faith's avatar

OMG!

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Paris's avatar

I remember how beautiful everyone was in the 70's - especially all the amazing glossy hair. I went to Sweden in 2016, and it reminded me of the US in the 70's, the majority of the people were GLOWING and slim, happy, with beautiful skin and hair. I'll have whatever they are having!

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Mike B's avatar

Compared to the state of most of big city USA today’s Sweden may look good. But compared to the Sweden of the 70s it’s a third world shithole overun by migrant hordes and suffering the usual consequences. Sweden may still be tolerable or even great in flyover country — much like USA — but cities like Malmø, Gothenburg, and Stockholm are lost.

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John Raymond's avatar

I was great looking in 70s and even greater looking 5 decades later. It's scary, humbling.

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Zade's avatar

A lot of the obesity may be caused by antidepressants also.

One of my leftist neighbors blames everything on the processed food industries. He doesn't think people have any ability to control what they put in their faces.

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Faith's avatar

Processed food is designed to be highly addictive. It is also ubiquitous and more easily accessible (also by design), and quick and convenient. It is very difficult to avoid, and if one is under a time, or access-to-a-kitchen, constraint, is the "path of least resistance ".

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Zade's avatar

Ultimately we have to take responsibility for what we eat.

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JustANobody's avatar

Indeed. A lot of these foods have addictive chemicals in them. It almost makes it impossible to quit. Need the willpower.

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Zade's avatar

I don't bring the stuff in my house. Ready access to the processed crap is fatal.

A lot of the remedy may be education. Teaching people what the junk is doing to them is only part of it. They need to know how to cook and prepare better stuff. I look at the Central American work crews shopping at Walmart for their groceries and they're not buying cases of Fanta. They're buying meats, cheeses and vegetables. Somehow they have the right idea.

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John's avatar

Cooking is processing. There is nothing faster and more convenient than fruit. You can eat fruit out a hotel room. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bge-OkyN3E

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Zade's avatar

Fruit is something I personally can only have in small amounts. The acids not good for me. Anyway I'm a weight lifter and need protein.

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JustANobody's avatar

I totally agree!

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John Raymond's avatar

Yes, I ask women at pool to put clothes on.

It's disgusting.

Esp when you throw in tats, nose rings.

You used to have to guard your senses against beautiful women. Now, disgusting women all over.

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Faith's avatar

Caution! They WANT to provoke people into violence, which will give them the excuse to really crack down, declare Martial law, and strip away our last vestiges of (formerly) Constitutional Rights! Best to NOT play that game, or we will be the loosers. Only after we have exhausted all LEGAL means of reclaiming our country from this illegal coup de tat would such a last-ditch effort be justified, but the results wouldn't be pretty.

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Tony Ryan's avatar

And guess who propagates that logic, Faith? The City of London with its cultivated peacenik, Mohandas Gandhi; or the Rockefeller-owned Martin Luthor King, wherein CIA and FBI agents prevented King from being lynched. And when the puppets had served their purpose, their message of peaceful protest was further validated with their assassinations. All part of the plan to have you sing joyously to your death in the camps.

So now, rethink, Faith. We vastly ourtnumber our enemy. In one single day we could capture them all, try and execute them, and restore genuine democracy. For the first time, I might add. Install what Lincoln spelled out so lyrically.

Oh, and here is another shocker for you. Since March 2017, the first World dictator has been installed, the David Rockefeller-anointed (in 1973) successor, Emperor Rupert the First. Controlling all of the world's media, and thence, politicians, he throws up target bait icons to hate and fear, not particularly desirous of being the first assassinated World Emperor.

We are so easy to manipulate.

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Faith's avatar

Tony, you might find this posting on my Substack interesting:

The Only Real Solution to The New World Order - by Faith

https://asnhat.substack.com/p/the-only-real-solution-to-the-new

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Tony Ryan's avatar

Hell, yes, Faith. Put my name down.

I always do things back-to-front, so I wrote a novel that as well as being entertaining, exposing corruption right at the top, also takes people on a journey of understanding ancient Aboriginal culture. This culture not only featured pure democracy, it created a philosophy, system of law, and social organisation that flows seamlessly with and from universal laws. Actually, generated by what the Chinese named Yin and Yang, but preceding the Chinese by 9000 years. The novel is intended to switch people back to the thoughts of Abraham Lincoln and Thomas Paine... community consensus democracy. What, post-assassination, inspired the American Populist Movement.

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Faith's avatar

Oh yes, an Aussie! Cool!

Wow! You folks have really gone through it down there. Seriously the test case for what the friggin' Globalists fantasize about imposing on the whole world. No wonder you are "pulling no punches"!

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Tony Ryan's avatar

If you send me an email I can send you the book on PDF or docx, whichever you prefer. Until the publisher makes a decison it is free,. Soon, I commence making a movie version, but more real adventure than Croc Dundee, but same Top End locality.

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Faith's avatar

The REAL Croc Dundee that your government murdered?

anicopia at yahoo dot com

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Faith's avatar

Is that Australian Aborigines?

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Faith's avatar

Feel free to share my link with anyone whom you think would be interested.

Where can one find your novel?

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John Raymond's avatar

Good Tony

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John Raymond's avatar

Tony, they are running their playback. People on "our side" say we're winning.

I don't see it.

I see them consolidating power

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Tony Ryan's avatar

Sigh. Unfortunately, John, I am certain you are right. The enemy has planned this for 200 years and they accounted for every eventuality. They also installed a Plan B and C and I can pretty much guess how these work

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John Raymond's avatar

I could say you're brilliant.

But people would say because you think along my lines.

I'd have no defense..

But other things elsewhere.. you're very sharp

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Tony Ryan's avatar

I would insist on a fair trial. Something like: "You did it"? "I done it". Bang.

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Tony Ryan's avatar

LBDP... Almost forgot. Everything I read of value I recorded in "Australia Fights Back" on oziz4oziz.com/

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Faith's avatar

Poor Charles! Now that he's King, he probably won't be able to spend as much time in Dracula's castle in Transylvania (the real-life model for Dracula, Vlad the Impaler). He must miss the super evil vibes that place undoubtedly has!

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John Raymond's avatar

Rosa Kiers UN 21 or something. She got dead. Brilliant woman

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Tony Ryan's avatar

I had never encountered a case of athsma in my life until a senior nurse died of it in 1972. I was 31 at the time. Allergies were limited to some blossoms, bananas, and very little else. And "sugar rush" was unheard-of. I backchecked child-hood illnesses and discovered there were no chronic middle ear infections, or tonsil and adenoid infections, prior to 1934, the commencement of major child vaccination regimes. Also, that was the first year autism was identified. It is way over time to cancell the medical mafia.

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John Raymond's avatar

Boys should be bouncing around. If teachers were smart recess would be 45 min, gym 45 min, and sneak in as much physical activity as possible.

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I am wary of anyone urging "a giant lynch mob". Think Ray Epps

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Freedom Lover's avatar

You are 10000% correct!

It’s not industries, it’s corrupt in them.

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Worse yet, if you are in a war and do not know with whom.

It’s like treating against cancer while having a heart attack.

It’s not industries, it’s corrupt in them.

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Freedom Lover's avatar

Ok, so if nothing will change their minds, what do you suggest?

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Freedom Lover's avatar

Waiting out is an interesting way to be at war 🤔

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Faith's avatar

Mobs, lynch or otherwise have no effect on Washington. Washington operatives are all puppets/minions of the Globalists and they couldn't care less about us. They just false-flag any orgenized attempt of The People to be heard. Look at what happend Jan 6th! Over a million peaceful Americans got ignored and demonized, and hundreds arrested on nonsensical charges. Most of the handful of people committing minor violence were FBI or their paid instigators. When an illegitimate criminal, traitorous, rogue, Organized Crime Cartel has commited a coup de tat against a sitting President and country, reversing it or unravelling it through its now corrupt systems, judicial and otherwise, becomes highly problematic. IF a third of the country weren't suffering from Mass Formation Psychosis, and IF there were Attorneys General that would do their jobs (they are probably afraid of being assassinated), and IF the military hadn't already been subverted, and IF there were ANY Federal law enforcement agency that wasn't compromised, and IF there were mainstream media outlets remaining that weren't compromised and could still inform the public of the dire straits we are in, then maybe the system could still right itself, but at this point it's not looking very good. The bad guys have been very thorough in their dismantling of every institution that could counter them.

The good part? Lots and lots of people are wising up, and we outnumber them maybe two million to one!!!!!

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The internal rot of every significant institution of western societies has been systematically seeded and nurtured for many decades. Those of us who started to recognize the patterns of criminal corruption 20, 30, or even 40 years ago were deemed crazy conspiracy theorists by “the good citizens” and order followers who still today think that governments are there to help them. IMHO, there’s not one major western nation that isn’t FUBAR by now, yet most people here in Europe are still in denial. We do live in interesting times …

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JustANobody's avatar

HOLY CRAP! EVERYTHING.. IN ONE PLACE!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!😀

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Porge's avatar

Spot on Doc! You rock!

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DC5's avatar

It’s never been about health, but about taking medicine.

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Mike B's avatar

Not just you, AmeriBros. They’re thinning the global herd of “useless eaters” and we also get to pay for it.

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John Raymond's avatar

The average person doesn't want social crediting. Deranged post.

On GETTR I have 550,000 Chinese friends who freaken hate CCP... OPENLY TALK OF overthrowing commie filth.

Dems let in Mexicans... WHO VOTE REPUBLICAN.

Very few like commies

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John Raymond's avatar

Energetic post!

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Nancy's avatar

We’ll all be dead and those Mexican, etc will be slaves of and for the elites, the ones wanting us dead!!!

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

In his book "The Real Anthony Fauci" RFK, Jr. makes the same point. Fauci is in charge of "public health." Well, has "public health" really improved in the 38 years he's been in charge of the NIAID?

As you say, just look around. It's far worse and getting worse by the day. Few of the things that could have improved "public health" have been done and a lot of things that have made it worse have been done (a vaccine and pill for every ill).

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Neil Timmerman's avatar

That book is sitting on my couch right now. It's huge and I won't read all of it but will pick and choose chapters in the coming weeks.

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

Warning: It's definitely not a "feel good" read. If you are like me, you'll only be able to read 10 pages at a time before becoming too pissed off to continue further.

BTW, I actually wrote a book review that even got picked up by The Citizen Free Press.

In my review, I argue this book could end up being the most important book of our times .... that is, if our side prevails and a major reassesment on all kinds of "settled" science occurs.

https://uncoverdc.com/2022/07/18/robert-f-kennedy-jr-takes-on-fauci-in-most-important-book-of-our-times/

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Laura Kasner's avatar

EXCELLENT review. I purchased this book a couple of days ago and hope to have Bobby sign it at his next CHD meeting in Knoxville in October.

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Ginny's avatar

Great idea Bill to read 10 pages at a time! Will try that . I agree that it may be the most important book in regard to the entire covid issue!

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Lysander Spoonbread's avatar

man, me too after chapter 1 I bought a torch (not a flashlight, Brits) and a pitchfork looking for DeSantis' 'elf' to throw IN the Potomac.

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Dr Linda's avatar

Agreed. I read some of the referenced paper as well.

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Nancy's avatar

Excellent review, tho a bit long. Thank you for including it here!

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The Sideways Thinker's avatar

I found listening to the Audible version alongside really helpful. It is the most densely printed book ever, not a smidgen of space spare. Says a lot. The book is excellent.

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ACroneintheWoods's avatar

Glad to hear someone else comment on that. I thought it was to keep the cost down.

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The Mallorn Tree's avatar

I started and got tired pretty early, and I'm pretty good at reading and absorbing information. But that book is so packed with information and references it's on a different level. Even the little I read was quite incredible though.

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Dr Linda's avatar

Agreed

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Dr Linda's avatar

I read what I can; time dictating and my tolerance for my own anger. I take it when I travel for intellectual stimulate and to annoy anyone who might disagree. I’m a little annoying : )

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Perry Simms's avatar

And the best people will love you for that.

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Cornwall Marc's avatar

Neil, It's brilliant but hard work. First bit is a lot about Fauci's historical evils, including AIDS. Second half is more recent and covers his business dealings with buddy boy Billy Gates.

It"s horrific and heartbreaking but they can only keep doing it to us if we don't realise and understand it.

Protect Yourself - read the book. Good luck!

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The Mallorn Tree's avatar

You've just motivated me to open it again and try the second half. Thanks!

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Renee Marie's avatar

It’s an AMAZING piece of work RFK Jr. did! As another person stated, it’s very emotional seeing the evil of Fauci and company. They should not be walking free. Ever!

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Ginny's avatar

I have it too and haven’t read it yet. Definitely will . Also the Peter and Ginger Breggin book .

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uselesseater's avatar

I saw that a documentary of the same name is coming soon.

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Gail Bloxham's avatar

Start with Chapter 12, you’ll want to take to your bed and never get up!

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Perry Simms's avatar

I'll again advocate we reject the concept of 'public health' entirely. Health decisions must be individual - they can not be dictated. They are always about tradeoffs and opportunity costs.

More generally, I also have come to find that whenever the adjective 'public' is prepended to a noun, it is a mental pacifier for a sales pitch for some tyrannical scheme or grift of one form or another.

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Cathleen Manny's avatar

I agree. We’d be better off without any ‘public health’ agencies/authorities. I worked for a public health agency for 14 years, by the way.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

You should have a thousand likes for this comment.

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Perry Simms's avatar

This one might work too: "Public health policy is as stupid an idea as public shoe policy."

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

"Public health" is one of the glossary terms in my New Normal dictionary.

https://billricejr.substack.com/p/orwell-was-right-change-the-language

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John's avatar

I don't think he " is in charge" . The problem is far worse than just being fixable by replacing Fauci. I wouldn't trust RFK jr on 'vaccines'. He is 'pro vaccine' by his own admission. He supported Hillary Clinton who is 'pro-vaccine' and closely tied to Bill Gates:

https://rfkexposed.com/

This interview where he spoke about meeting with Trump about 'vaccines' seems suspect. What did he say to Trump that was so ineffective? What do you make of Rfk's body language?

https://odysee.com/@sysdumb:5/Did-Trump-Side-With-Bill-Gates--26-Fauci-Over-RFK-Jr.:3

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Perry Simms's avatar

RFK is still married to the idea of the technocratic-bureaucratic regulatory state, despite the fact that most of his useful work was done in the court system.

With a decentralized court system and rule-of-law, you don't need bureaucrats. You just sue anyone who damages you.

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Andrew Dickson's avatar

I pre-ordered it before release cause I thought they'd disappear it and/or RFK off the planet asap. Seriously well done job by Bobby. I tell all the doubters that if only 1% of the book is true then Fauci should swing. The evidence against him is colossal.

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Connect The Dots's avatar

You are right… Owning it and not being defensive is the strongest stance you can take. Unfortunately I was defensive in the beginning and try to explain why I was not an anti-vaxxer. I wish I had just laughed heartily and said “damn straight! this plan sounds CRAZY!”

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Neil Timmerman's avatar

My progression involved reading numerous books about the medical industry and vaccines. What I learned is that, as in economics, there is no free lunch. It's a nuanced subject matter and I would encourage anyone to do the work before taking any opinion, pro or con, on vaccines. The wide majority have never read a single book on vaccines and have no idea how corrupt and deadly our pharmaceutical industry and governmental approval process is. Folks are literally dying due to their ignorance, sadly.

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Candis's avatar

A much easier progression than listening to your infant screaming inconsolably after being jabbed at a "well baby" visit and watching them become unresponsive and autistic forever by the next day and then having everyone tell you that you are crazy if you think it was from the jabs. Nothing nuanced about that particular progression.

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Leonard Lopate used to talk on public radio about how that happened to his son. I’m sure they wouldn’t let him say that now if his show was still on.

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Neil Timmerman's avatar

Candis, I’m incredibly sorry. That is heartbreaking and I cannot imagine the pain and suffering you’ve been through.

In recent months I have read many of the pieces published by A Midwestern Doctor on Substack and his most recent is about why all vaccines are inherently dangerous.

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Perry Simms's avatar

I understand the theory of vaccines, and some of them can do what they're supposed-to. But I also understand the reality of poor production quality, contaminants, harmful adjuvants, and a regime pushing ever more less useful jabs. The gene-jabs are just by far the worst ones ever.

In a less state-dominated world, it would be possible for an independent manufacturer to serve this underserved market for quality vaccines.

They would produce just those few vaccines with the best track record, without harmful adjuvants, using new processes, batch testing regimen, and only ship 'fresh' with a short expiration date (to avoid need for so many preservatives).

These vaccinations would cost in the hundreds of dollars each. Manufacturers and doctors would be liable for harms in civil court. And they'd have to screen any potential patients/customers for pre-existing conditions known to put them at risk for each type of jab.

Until then, sorry. I'm an 'anti-vaxxer'.

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Neil Timmerman's avatar

That all sounds reasonable. We’re a long way from there but that theoretically sounds reasonable.

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John's avatar

Which of these 'vaccines' does what it is supposed to do?

Were There Ever Any Valid Vaccines – Amandha Vollmer:

https://yummy.doctor/video-list/were-there-ever-any-valid-vaccines-amandha-vollmer/

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Perry Simms's avatar

Potential candidates for good, net-positive vaccines are *pox, diphtheria, mumps, pertussis, and tetanus. Maybe hepatitis b and polio and some others.

That is not an endorsement for any of the current vaccines, and with the current regime in place (no, not "Biden's"), I would reject all jabs categorically.

I'm in accord with most of Amandha's source links, not all.

[EDIT] If you are convinced a vaccine is safe and effective, go ahead and take it and be protected. You won't need to force anyone else to take it to protect you or your child if your vaccine works as advertised. The worst virus is the myth of 'public health'.

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John's avatar

There is no pertussis or tetanus 'vaccine'. Atleast not commonly available. There is the DTaP which is a 3-in-1 cocktail same like the mumps 'vaccine' is only available in MMR. Dr Archie Kalokerinos said that the whooping cough 'vaccine' aka Dtap/ Tdap/Dpt/ pertussis "was the worst vaccine of all": http://whale.to/vaccines/whooping.htm

As for efficacy there is none. How could there be efficacy when the whole idea of a vaccine is a fantasy based on superstition and pseudoscience:

"Data from the Health Department (and the ESR for that matter), conclusively proves that the pertussis vaccine in this country has done nothing.

......What “gains” has Australia made which they didn’t have before, through having a 95% whooping cough vaccination rate, when they had an 80% vaccination rate? Their whooping cough vaccination rates have increased 20% in 9 years; their number of vaccines has radically increased, yet their whooping cough rates have increase 1200% in that time. [March 2010 NZ] Letter to Paul Hutchison from Hilary Butler

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Perry Simms's avatar

Thanks for the correction. I completely forgot about the 'bundling' of pertussis in DTP and the inefficacy of the pertussis vaccine.

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Andrew Dickson's avatar

Just read that. AMD has always been worth the time but that piece was outstanding - made sense of a few mysteries.

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kertch's avatar

I was the same way. I kept coming up with excuses. Finally, I started to say things like "What do you care if I'm not vaxxed? Presumably you're safe". Then "What? I'll kill Grandma? Grandma is on her third shot so she should be safe, right?". "Spread it? I've had Covid so I know I have immunity. Are you that sure about that shot you got? If so why do you need to keep getting boosters?".

Now that the vaxxed are getting Covid multiple times and the side effects are showing up all over, I don't get much grief about it any more. There was one particularly obnoxious acquaintance who shunned me while saying "*******, you are a Ph.D., you should know better (meaning follow the science)". Now her quadruple vaxxed boyfriend is in the hospital with heart issues. When she brings it up, I say "He was quadruple vaxxed, right?" then I look down sadly and slowly shake my head and say "I hope he recovers". I think deep down she knows I'm right because she says nothing for about a minute. I don't want to rub it in as a form of revenge, but I do want them to think about their past actions.

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Faith's avatar

I never felt compelled to make an issue of labels. So what if we get called Anti-vaxxers? You are right, just laugh at them and stand tall and proud. Or don't even bother. THEY are the ones who very well could be dead within five years. Or three. Or one. And if they survive, by then they will have witnessed so much carnage, I doubt that they will be laughing.

I'm pro science, but not Fauci’s brand. He is NOT a scientist, he is an evil medical doctor who knows nothing about science, and not even medicine because he has done nothing for decades but be a bureaucratic paper-pusher. He certainly is clueless when it comes to patient care. Why does he pretend to be able to make COVID healthcare decisions when he has never taken care of a single COVID patient, and he even flunked completely taking care of himself!

All the valid science says the COVID shots don't work. Remdesivir doesn't work. Paxlovid doesn't work. How long are people going to continue witnessing their failures before they realize they are all lying frauds? And the Anti-vaxxes have been correct on nearly every issue from the beginning.

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Ginny's avatar

Your comments are great ! So agree!

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JustANobody's avatar

Fluncked taking care of himself, that's hysterical!

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Porge's avatar

Me too! "Damn straight "!

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Mike B's avatar

I have pushed through so many smears and vilifications that I just don’t give a rat’s ass anymore. As someone vehemently opposing uncontrollable and unvetted mass immigration (into any nation) I’m officially deemed a raycysst and a Nazi (with a Jewish mom and a black son). Because I oppose the MISC and NATO’s eastward expansionism I’m a Pootin stooge, of course. So being an anti-vaxxer comes almost naturally to me. As a German I therefore define the slur NAZI as “Nicht An Zwangsimpfung Interessiert” (not interested in forced vaccinations).

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Johnny truthseeker's avatar

That’s amazing. I’m spreading that!!!

Nicht An Zwangsimpfung Interessiert

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norstadt's avatar

Still, letting your opponents pick your name is a bad move. "Pro-life" and "pro-choice" both sound positive. I consider myself pro-vaccine-choice. In my deep-blue neck of the woods, I can ask people if they are pro-choice, and when they say "yes", tell them that I mean pro-choice for vaccination.

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Tsipora Pereira's avatar

Not a bad move at all. It is an achievement to turn an opprobrium into a badge of honour.

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Johnny truthseeker's avatar

Well they control the media, so it’s better to embrace it than fight it.

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John's avatar

Choice is useful for a small minority of children fortunate enough to have parents wise enough to protect them. It however leaves the vast majority of children in danger. The choice argument was actually made up by lawyer lobbyists for the industry rather than being a opposition argument. It has a long history of failure when abolition and a pro health position are needed: https://www.waronwethepeople.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/the_truth_about_barbara_loe_fischer_and_the_national_vaccine_information_center.mp3

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norstadt's avatar

In my ideal world, medicine would be available without prescription and people could choose wisely or foolishly. Doctors would offer advice and inject what people want. Parents are more likely to do what's best for their kids than the government.

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Cruising Economist's avatar

We shouldn't let self serving political ideologues label us "anti-vaxxers". Most of us have voluntarily received numerous vaccinations in the past. What we are is informed individuals who understand SARS2 poses little to no danger to reasonably healthy people (zero to healthy children) while the injection being pushed employs a radical new technology which has no medium or long term track record or testing and has never been used as a vaccine, even in livestock. We now also know COVID injections have proven dreadfully dangerous in the short term while any efficacy wanes rapidly. No informed person is going to inject that trash into their bodies or their children.

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Remi Steele's avatar

I used to think I wasn't anti-vaxx because in the military, traveling to far-flung reaches of the world I thought that it was best to take the shots. During the past two years I have learned so much about the vaxx industry, that now I am totally anti-vaxx. Full stop. On an aside. I took my dog in for a rabies booster during the 1st week of May this year. Within two days he developed a seizure disorder and almost died. He now has to take phenobarbital for the rest of his probably shortened life. I am now also totally anti-vaxx for my animals as well and have found that there are homeopathic applications that can be used to achieve immunity to rabies, etc.

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ACroneintheWoods's avatar

Micro-chipping your pet was the beginning of getting people used to the idea. Where I live rabies shots are required by law.

I agree, animals don't need all the junk they have sold us to believe they need. I'm sorry about your pup, I hope he will improve.

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JustANobody's avatar

It's sick and twisted. Where I live I had to get my dog her second rabies shot. I told her that that's the last time. I wish I knew then what I know now! Same for my children who are in their late 30s. Curiously, I asked my vet what happened to her prior rabies shot did it just disappear? No clue!

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N/A's avatar

I don't have any pets right now, but I've slowly been realizing that dogs and cats have probably been treated as cash cows for the pharma industry. I saw one retired vet on YT who talks about not vaxxing his pets. Sorry that I don't remember his name, but he talks about his experiences online.

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Cathleen Manny's avatar

Keep your eye on what’s coming with pets, livestock.

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DandD's avatar

I just thank God that neither I (70 yrs young) nor my children (born in the 70's) suffered any ill effects from taking any childhood inoculations. It's about time people started realizing that we have been led down the primrose path.

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JustANobody's avatar

Agreed!!

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DandD's avatar

Both kids, who are now in their mid 40's, grew up very healthy and all grandchildren are non-vaxxed. Regarding your comments on the human trust issues--I agree one hundred percent. I spent the first half of my life trusting people (mostly family members) I shouldn't have trusted. Now that I think about it, that's where this really starts, isn't it? H-m-m. You struck a chord.

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Zade's avatar

If covid comes up in conversation and it's appropriate I always say why I didn't want the mRNA or aav shots. And I add that now I doubt I'd give kids any shot except maybe dpt because of the 1 in 30 chance of causing autism. I've yet to have anyone roll his eyes... At least in front of me.

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John's avatar

Dpt? There was a huge scandal about that back in the 70s. It is pretty shocking coz all those parents would have heard about this only to ignore the warnings and give there kids 'vaccines' in the 80s and 90s. https://odysee.com/@QuantumRhino:9/DPT--Vaccine-Roulette-1982-Documentary:f

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Tony Ryan's avatar

Sound approach, Zade, and it does have its impact.

For seven years, I wrote letters to the local paper contradicting the vaxx promotions of doctors. At first, I was ridiculed and vilified, but gradually, more and more people began taking my side. At the end of 7 years, that region had the highest vaxx non-compliance in Australia; 30%. A tin of paint and a nice wall is an effective alternative to the local paper, most of which have now been taken over by a dozen world media barons; all of whom are invested in Big Pharma.

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Zade's avatar

That's encouraging, that your persistence paid off like that. Now, almost two years into the shots, most people here in the States know someone injured by them. There's often an uneasy silence when I describe the deaths and injuries I know of personally. And all of us with the exception of a tiny minority, have had covid and know we've had it. We survived it. So why would we want the boosters? Booster uptake has cratered here. But there will always be the few who attribute their health to having had the shots and will go for one after another. I feel bad for them because I think they're shortening their lives but there's no way to reach them.

At a well check about six months ago, my primary care doc saw me, then after she was finished, a nurse came in with a Shingrix shot and a Pneumovax shot all cocked and loaded. I said no thank you. The pushing of these shots is a total racket. But now everyone is terrified of shingles, I suspect because the covid shots have caused a tremendous wave of it. I'll never take another vaccine again, possible exception tetanus if I step on a nail in a barnyard (actually did that 8 years ago and went for the shot). The thing with vaccines is you can't prove they spared you an illness. You might never have caught it anyway, shot or not. You can only say with certainty when they fail. The crazy thing is the covid shots have failed on every score, and they're still pushed.

I used to write letters to the local daily newspaper. They were bought out by Gannett, a conglomerate in the States. They went from serving up true local news and opinion to a pale imitation of "USA Toady". I've been thinking it might be time to bring back the broadsheet printed on home printers.

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Tony Ryan's avatar

You are an unusually thoughtful and empathetic person, Zade, and I think you have summed the situation up well. A warning: there is no Tetnus shot. it is a combo of T, Diptheria, and Pertussis. But if you get a puncture wound again, just make it bleed. The oxyhaemoglobin will kill the tetnus pathogen, being anerobic. If you can't make it bleed, pour hydrogenperoxide into it. Tetnus is rare and the T shot would make no difference anyway.

And just a warning to any predatory doctors out there... I have no medical knowledge whatsoever, but I am a health product consumer and I research products prodidgously before using. Thus I confer with medical scientists and doctors who are world-renown for their integrity and expertise. This statement frustrates Australian doctors who would rather see me dead LOL.

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Zade's avatar

I get every side effect known to man from ordinary meds (just one example: anaphylaxis to guaifenesin, the common expectorant). I'm not a medically trained person either but have learned to pay attention to what happens after I take medicines. I do a lot of reading about side effects and pharmacology of drugs, and I'm shocked at how oblivious doctors can be. They do a lot of damage with their ignorance, and I've seen one estimate that iatrogenic death due to meds may be the fifth or sixth leading cause of death in the US, and that's just of patients who've died in hospital. Add those who deteriorate slowly and this is not a minor problem. The bad experiences I've had with ordinary meds made me look hard at the mRNA and AAV shots and decide no way. I tell any doctors I think will listen with an open mind, but so far every single one I know thinks there is nothing to worry about. This has further eroded my faith in doctors. I try to stay away from them and treat myself at home as much as possible.

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Tony Ryan's avatar

I see. Wise too. Beginning in 2007, I did the same and, as a former anti-Vietnam War researcher and freelance journalist, my old contacts recognised my name decades later, they now being in the top of their fields, and they pointed me to the good oil. I collated all their advice, which appears on my website "Australia Fights Back", URL oziz4oziz.com/

You may find a lot of time-saving leads here. It is chock-full of links to amazing sources of information, including the graphs of a century of disease reduction, none of which flows from vaccines, but of public health measures. Hilariously, prior to 1975, this formed the basis of all Public Health Exam curriculum, which I passed twice.

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Zade's avatar

Thanks for the link! Very interesting.

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JustANobody's avatar

You are correct! Also wise!

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JustANobody's avatar

I agree with everything you said except the Tetnus shots. Thats full of metals! Vids on Odyssey and Bitchute.

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Christophe Douté's avatar

I'll get a vaccine again when the pharmaceutical industry and its regulators have been cleaned up from top to bottom, typhoon-style: until then you never know what they might inject you with.

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Zade's avatar

That's not going to happen in my lifetime I'm afraid

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Christophe Douté's avatar

It'll take a revolution, certainly. Given the troubled times which await us, who knows when such a revolution may happen. I'll be surprised if none of those Big Pharma CEOs ends in prison, though.

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Zade's avatar

To undo the pharma capture of the HHS agencies, will require abolishing them, letting some time go by, then recreating agencies for the public's protection. Snake oil has always sold well, even before the FDA was around. I lean toward not having federal health agencies at all and letting a free market take over drugs and medicine.

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Christophe Douté's avatar

There are contradictory needs, and it's hard to solve the contradiction. On the one hand, you do need some control, otherwise any poison will be for sale. On the other hand, the people can never let down their guard, otherwise you have the current situation, where the agencies have been corrupted and allow poisons onto the market anyway, and on top of this impose abusive controls on the population like the masks. To improve the situation, the population need to take an active interest in medicine, in their health, we can't just trust the profesionals and the marketing men. An informed and engaged citizenry is necessary to a free state, and also to a healthy one.

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Zade's avatar

A good personal step is to refuse any new pharmaceutical until at least five years post market. Then study the reported side effects.

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Christophe Douté's avatar

I forgot: the press in Guatemala has reported that those (Indian) rural folk here were not just suspicious of the vaccines because of distrust of the public health system or vaccines in general or the government: In basically all villages there are people with family members living in the United States and they were receiving warnings about the adverse effects from these family members via Facebook, Whatsapp...

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Christophe Douté's avatar

Right. That would be an option. But it would depend on the individual having the capacity and the will to do that and, realistically, only a minority would do that. Even doctors don't do that, they just follow the guidelines. I guess that in the past, with herbal or traditional medicine, people would take responsibility for their choices of treatment, but it would be done collectively, maybe the whole village would opt for certain treatments based on their experience. In any case, they wouldn't accept passively any treatment just because some "expert" in a distant capital city said so (by the way, interestingly, here in Guatemala, the highest resistance to the shots has been in rural areas, especially in the predominantly Indian regions of the country. Vaccination teams would show up in villages and it even sometimes happened that they would be kicked out of the village under threat of violence. Here, the Indians, with good reason, don't trust the central government). Maybe one problem is this "outsourcing" of the decisions on therapeutics, and then the enforcement of these decisions by law. Solution: citizens must become active and engage again, not function on trust with respect to the decisions of strangers.

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The Beach Is My Bliss's avatar

One of Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals.

We need to start using those rules religiously.

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Sophia's avatar

indeed!

that what I said to my shy friends: learn to wear the slur with pride and it will lose its power, making those who throw it at you look pathetic and inadequate :)

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Vxi7's avatar

In my country a ton of vaccines are mandatory in childhood. It is stomach churning.

Within the first 18 months of any baby:

-9 shots will be given

-for 7 illnesses

Absolutely disgusting.

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Tony Ryan's avatar

Good point, Neil. The two most vaccinated people on this planet are Americans and Australian Aborigines; the two unhealthiest people on this planet.

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Johnny truthseeker's avatar

Another point, is that you empower people who agree, but feel isolated and don’t want to speak up.

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John Raymond's avatar

Neil, non Catholics started calling Catholics "Roman Catholic " as a slur, hooking in Pope issue.

Catholics thought about it, and often say im Roman Catholic instead of Catholic...

Funny thing, we still do, even though Rome has lost the faith, we have no pope...

Rome for us is Eternal Rome... we'll take it back, and get a Pope.

Cliff notes.. we have exactly what you describe.

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John Raymond's avatar

Oh, and I told liberal lady , please use my pronoun SILVERBACK.

Shd told me not to insult gorillas.

I gave her Post of Week, but nevertheless, , you must submit to My reality

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Neil Timmerman's avatar

Pronouns and attempting to erase gender seem to be the hills that the left will in fact die upon.

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