Listen to Dr. Mike Yeadon among others. He was open minded enough to dive into this rabbit hole and honest enough to recognize and speak about the underlying problems with standard viral theories.
So while yes, viruses as currently described in standard texts do nicely explain our lived experiences, there is still an underlying flaw, a pretty big one, in viral science.
It is possible that they are a bit different than we think, and that they can be transmitted or "triggered" by other mechanisms than direct contact, and that our cells, under certain circumstances, can actually produce what we call "viruses" themselves.
I think we need to consider Rupert Sheldrake, Nikola Tesla, and Wilhelm Reich in all our studies of Biology.
We perhaps don't understand everything in Nature as well as we assume we do!
The problem I have with the "viruses don't exist" hypothesis is that they (Cowan, etc.) say that there is no such thing as contagion & that diseases are caused by toxins or nutritional deficiencies. As Igor pointed out, most of us have experiences of getting sick from others. Contagion is obvious, maybe viruses don't cause illness, but something does.
How do you explain that someone can be around people who are constantly sick from a purported virus, in direct contact with them for extended periods on a daily basis over the course of two years no less, and that person never gets sick.
So how is that the virus is able to impact every single one of these people, repeatedly in fact, except this one person. We are also talking about the most deadly, transmissible and long-lasting virus in human history.
This has been going on for two and a half years.
Does this one person have superpowers or some insane immune system or is it blind luck?
The quadrivalent "flu" vaccine was rolled out in 2019.
I believe that is an avenue worth exploring.
However the reality is that there would have been no excess deaths whatsoever in March/April 2020 had it not been for policy changes in nursing homes and hospitals that directly caused that spike in deaths.
Vaccines ABSOLUTELY weaken the immune system! And they are full of toxins. When you are walking around with a huge body burden of mercury, aluminum, and other "nasties" your immune system is definitely depressed.
But to see the results in children of immune system harms from vaccination, look at Dr. James Lyons Weiler's peer reviewed study of Dr. Paul Thomas's pediatric practice, or the Guinea-Bissau study showing little girls that are vaccinated dying at much higher rates than the unvaccinated, or The Control Group Litigation's Survey of Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed.
Everywhere you look the unvaccinated are vastly healthier.
And the Lazarus study of Harvard Pilgrim Health Care showed less than 1% of vaccine adverse events make it into VAERS.
We are killing ourselves and our children with this practice which has never been proven either safe or effective!
My kids are the only people I know that have not had Covid. They are not vaccinated with anything, except my son until he was 4 months old (and his reaction to vaccines woke me up). I do think that their untouched immune systems help them repel a lot of viruses that make others sick. I also tried to infect them with chicken pox when they were young (an MD couple I knew invited me over so that my kids could catch it from their very spotty kids). Nothing.
I concur. My dad lived to 99 was sharp. NEVER took any vacc's. Ever that I know of. Ate pretty healthy, but not all that concerned. Mom, on the other hand, died at 83, ate SUPER healthy, gardened all the time, but DID get some flu shots, how many, I'm guessing at least ten in her life.
She suffered "hot flashes" all her post menapausal life, and got breast cancer, and had some pituitary gland growth issue as well. Poor lady. I'm now beginning to be not so puzzled by this. I'm of the mind to agree with many docs and nurses who "know" that the vacc. campaign to stick every person multiple times, is just a means to make people sick and prone to their "care" while bilking the ins. co.s at the same time.
ABSOLUTELY! Vaccines destroy the immune system. Tons of evidence.
Exploding autoimmunity in the children as vaccine schedules ballooned from 5 to 72 . Exploding cancer rates in the vaccinated.
Read Dr. Sherrie Tenpenny. Go to the High Wire and ICAN. Read Children's Health Defense's "Vaccines, Gateway Drugs by Design?" Read Dr. James Lyons Weiler's Study of Dr. Paul Thomas's pediatric practice----conclusion, "The unvaccinated simply do not get sick!" Finally, spend a little time with the Control Group Litigation's Survey Study. You will never be blind to the truth of vaccines ever again.
YES. Absolutely. VACCINES are made by mad scientists. Just look at the ingredients to some and ask yourself...WHERE DID THEY COME UP WITH THEM FROM? A seer? A card reader? An LSD trip? A dream? The "holy spirit"? The DEVIL? Why are OBVIOUS toxins in them? Isn't PEG a TOXIN? Isn't mercury a TOXIN? The questions that arise in my questioning mind are endless.
Your grandmother has what is sorely lacking in the population today...common sense and a belief in her own health and apparently a skepticism in western medicine. She's living proof of the validity of keeping the balance of body, mind and spirit. God bless her.
Believe it or not many people have a mucosal resistance and the virus never has a chance to replicate. Stopped at the front door. That immunity varies by individual. See UK Challenge Study (https://doi.org/10.1038/s41591-022-01780-9).
I try to avoid respiratory infections via mouth/nose sanitation like was done eons ago. I use a dilute Betadine solution other do fine with simple salt. So very odd our masters of public health can't be bothered to do a PSA. Doctors, some of them, say it works.
I recently discovered this nasal spray...and have been really impressed. I usually struggle with fall allergies, but have been completely fine since I started using this daily. It is a saline spray with xylitol and grapefruit seed oil...my understanding is that it coats the mucosal lining preventing allergens (as well as bacteria and viruses) from causing an issue. I can’t remember where I read that they used it it in the placebo arm of some of the trials for covid and discovered it’s got some efficacy against viral infections...anyway, thought I’d share, I’ve been really impressed.
SARS-Cov-2 is transmissible, but no more dangerous than influenza for 95% + of the population. Kids don't even know they have had it and they have built immunity! Our friends and family died from endless fear porn, dropping immune system function, house arrest in toxic cities, missing standard medical check ups and all human healthy activities, isolation, lack of vitamin D, toxic flu shots, cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and influenza, all aggravated to lethal levels by medical nihilism, with the final death blow delivered by Remdesivir and a Ventilator. The last two will kill anyone who is not as strong as a bull elephant, but is guaranteed lethal for a SARS-Cov-2 patient. Pull up "Hello My name is Spartacus, and I have had Enough," using DuckDuckGo as your search engine.
This stellar piece has been vetted by the FLCCC and looks to be completely accurate by all my understandings.
These hospital protocols were the equivalent of the Nazi Trains to the Death Camps for our elderly and frail, and for African Americans, who have chronically low levels of vitamin D, high levels of diabetes, obesity, and other "co-morbidities" for "Covid."
Really hear Dr. Mike Yeadon and Dr. Lee Merritt out. We didn't even need a new, dangerous respiratory virus for the deaths in hospital we experienced. American's underlying ill health plus the "Protocols" were all that was genuinely required.
Now the killer quackzine is dropping the young and healthy, and wreaking havoc worldwide as every nation that forced this experiment on their people are witnessing "unexplained" excess death rates, frequently much higher than those during the "pandemic!" Where this is going no one but the "Perps" really knows, yet universities and medical establishments all over the United States are still forcing them on the young and healthy, with immunity, no less! This is completely criminal and lethal behavior.
Yes they are - how do we stop it? Even De Santis signed something that has embedded in it that they can inject (without permission) a person if there is declared an emergency and it is in the best interest of the state.
"SARS-Cov-2 is transmissible, but no more dangerous than influenza for 95% + of the population."
That sounds like it's straight out of a newspaper article... How exactly do you know this? Everything else I've been seeing you say makes sense, except that. SARS COVII is a Bio-weapon, it's patented! Why/how would/could anyone patent something that a) is already a threat, even if it's not very dangerous, and b) they have clearly tampered with, or why would it be PATENTED at all?
Okay, you want to keep believing in evil, invisible attackers from Hell that fly up your nose, but not when you're SITTING DOWN in a restaurant, that's okay, but ... naw. I think you're smarter than that.
I think so - that's why I introduced the idea of 5G and whatever they are spraying in the environment. MOST of the 5G was deployed after people were sent home the last 2 years. They also stepped up the spraying. I recently read that MOST of the problems are happening in the west because of what they are spraying that dries up water, delays rain, etc. I have seen it happening around us and we've had the hottest, least rainy year that I remember in the 14 that we've lived in our coastal MS home. To me, there is no other explanation. Also, around the time they were spraying here, most of my family living in other states got sick, too. I had the "virus" twice (undiagnosed but all symptoms) but got it again in August - no doubt - same time everyone else came out with it, too. I don't know, I'm not a scientist - but I can think and see what's happening with our environment and it's not good. That people are allowing it all is what astounds me. Again, I knew something was wrong when they made a new "environmental division" to Wall Street right after sending everyone home. THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO MESS WITH OUR ENVIRONMENT - but BIDEN has signed that they may. The Usurper and his administration has said that climate experiments may be allowed.
I think you're definitely in the ballpark... There a lot that we don't "KNOW," but there's also a lot of clear evidence of fuckery that anyone could put together and come up with a theory... And so there are theories, some that seem more reasonable than others, but the more facts we have, the more some of these theories seem sound. Something like a new "environmental division" to Wall Street sure sounds *interesting* to me...
And I absolutely agree: These arrogant people, doing things they HAVE NO RIGHT to do, like messing with the environment... They should be in prison, in my view. But as long as people a) can't figure out what's going on, b) can't believe it when it becomes CLEAR what's going on, and c) can't get themselves in gear to DO something about what's going on when it's shown to be going on, tells me that there is a large percentage of the population that just WON'T LIFE A FINGER to do anything about much of anything until it threatens their life, their stuff, or their kids...
We're still seeing people getting jabs for their kids, so... The tide is turning, but it's a Slow Fricken Turn.
Some people have fewer Ace2 receptors than others and this virus enters the body via Ace2. Certain races have more of these receptors so your ancestry has some influence on this. Certain things block the virus which was not highly publicized, but things like nicotine or taking high blood pressure medicine (Ace2 inhibitors) were actually protective. What really bothered me was I was taking elderberry weekly as a preventative for flu and yet that did not block the new covid virus from getting me down in Dec 2019 before it was known in the US. I later tested positive for antibodies is how I know I had it, plus also the fact that I had Covid Toes and endothelial damage.
How is a 'virus' able to infect same person multiple times (when it supposedly got immunity after the first infection), but another person cannot infect even once?
You are trying to prove your case by using hypotheticals, which is impossible to refute (or prove). Observation suggests that there are many different factors influencing whether a person gets sick or not. The presence of an agent of contagion (perhaps a "virus" or some bacteria) does seem to be a factor.
It is not possible to avoid the pool of toxic sludge that we all live in. So your argument is irrelevant.
You call it that, but not as a result of science. You call it "immunity" because it fits your narrative. Don't be afraid to QUESTION, even your OWN narrative. THAT is science.
300 colds in your lifetime . Why no increased immunity to them . In fact they older you get the worse they get. in most cases a cold / flu takes you out in the end
Because colds and flus are inflammation (because of differences in temperatures, etc) and/or detox processes (because of toxins that built up in the organism).
The more toxins you get, the more severe the detox process it is.
Plus, it seems really weird that a family doctor sees more reality in an invisible virus than in a measurable toxic substance that could be affecting a patient. Low dose toxic poisoning is essentially poopooed; only lethal poisoning seems to get anyone's attention. One has to go outside conventional medicine for the miracles rendered through detox programs.
I recently listened to a Dr. Lee Merritt presentation about the 1918 "Spanish flu" and it was fascinating: That illness might have been blown out of proportion over time for pharma propaganda purposes. And two things might have been making people ill in that general era -- reactions to faulty inoculations given to soldiers during world War I and the proliferation of new electrical/telegraph lines which were only later made to better direct the flow of energy in as safe a manner as possible. That is, EMF illness may have been in the mix of human illnesses as technology was initiated and the human organism struggled to adapt. Information like this indicates that the story of human illness and human ability to adapt may be more interesting, fascinating, complex and mind-blowing than the rut in the science road repeated with the singular virus/contagion/immunity/vaccination mantra ENFORCED on society for decades. I think Science should operate a Big Tent and any system which tries to limit Science to a single paradigm should be questioned vigorously and loudly.
At 72 my worst cold was my first semester living on a college campus when I was 21. Not many since then. The flu? Rare, and often wonder if at times what I thought was the flu was some form of food poisoning. The last time I had an undisputed flu was about 12 years ago when a housemate decided to get a flu vax, got sick immediately, and made the rest of us in the house all sick with it, too. I'd call that an experience of "shedding" for sure.
It hasn't been my experience that growing older equates with increased illness. So, I don't think an older person is a sicker and sicker person.
Shoulda been "DE-toxin." ^_^ Those poor exosomes really got a bad rap! But what's clearly a HUGE CLUE is that exosomes are created BY THE BODY, they are the detoxers, not the CAUSE... Well, there it is. And so easy to pull the wool over everyone's eyes...
I like the word "exosome" because now "virus" has been utterly spoiled, after all these years of bs.
What's also interesting is how so many people study virology and somehow MISS the connection, MISS the nonsensical "virus theory" that is utterly bizarre... But then, look how many people think these masks are efficacious without ANYTHING to back that up. The FEAR that comes into people's eyes when I tell them masks don't work... And they get very condescending about me saying this... Oh, the human psychology is all about being RIGHT, because Oh, My Dog, if I'm wrong, maybe I'm wrong about a LOT of things... Now I have to go actually STUDY something!!!!!!!! ;)
Indeed. The argumentation offered for contagion is unfalsifiable. If someone nearby gets sick, it's taken as proof of contagion. If somene nearby doesn't get sick, it's explained as contagion plus immunity. Thie pattern is a sign of a pseudoscience, where the number of postulated entities rises as fast as the number of phenomena.
i find utterly disgusting that there exists a paper on the 2018 spanish flu
which fauchi co authored
and in it they all concluded that majority of deaths werent flu but actually bacterial pnuemonia - and theory is that extended mask wearing was the culprit
I read that study a couple of years ago when it was first drawn to my attention. While it did conclude that many deaths were from bacterial pneumonia, I could find no mention of the pneumonia being related to mask wearing. It also did not conclude that the bacterial pneumonia was not a direct result of the flu.
This almost doesn't matter - I don't think the study matters all that much wrt either figuring out what happened with covid, nor with figuring out Tony Fauci's general character - there is plenty of other evidence for both arguments. Nevertheless - this is a (common) mischaracterization of that particular piece of evidence.
It's worth remembering that studies we have show no significant effect on respiratory diseases from mask wearing. If we are happy to accept those studies as proof that the requirement for masks is/was nonsense, we probably also should accept that they don't seem to cause a statistically significant increase in either infection or severity of respiratory disease either.
One of the things I find fascinating here is how it is accepted at face value (even as that narrative is fundamental to entities that intend harm and profit from that harm) that there is this one "thing", this virus, that is causing disease and death.
Yet these same people who make this claim when confronted with the "healthy person amidst the sick" go into an array of intricate descriptions as to how that person remained healthy.
The example I gave is not a theoretical one. It is a verifiable first hand account.
Another first-hand account is my own. From about 2015 to 2022, I never got sick despite trying. We have two kids. Whenever they were sick, I would increase my usual role of "Daddy vacuum cleaner" and eat up the leftover food on their plates, drink up their water glasses, take my own temperature straight after taking theirs, etc.
In early 2022, I felt terrible for a few days and stayed in bed. I don't know why for sure but attribute it to the complicated, year-long process of emigrating finally being mostly done, so I could relax and heal -- meaning perhaps detox -- from the stress of it.
some theorize the flu (or the condition associated with its symptoms) is a normal bodily function initiated when too much toxins accumulate within the body's cells from day to day life.
this would also explain why the symptoms follow a pattern with everyone. because the body follows a detox pattern of operation. and its the same for everyone almost
Wrong... Good health can also be explained by lack of irritant/agent as well as immunity; you're making the dialogue up as you go, to fit your own biases. What you call pseudoscience uses much better logic and evidence than anything your or your germ-rejecting friends have yet provided.
I had pointed out that, when someone else in a family gets sick, it's "explained" as -- really, just called -- contagion. When someone else in the same family doesn't get sick, it's "explained" as immunity (to explain why the alleged contagion didn't happen despite the same exposure). All bases are covered, which is characteristic of a pseudoscience.
Your post just repeats that base-covering argument. Calling it "better logic" just makes me wonder even more how sound the logic of virology is.
Yes, never mind the fact that any time this has been scientifically scrutinized rather than simply anecdote as Dr John has provided, findings have come up bupkis (Rosenau for example and many more). Contagion exists in the narratives we create, certainly not the scientific literature
Which just happens to make virology utterly non falsifiable on the contagion front. Lucky that. As long as they can find the virus in human hosts though....oh wait.
I see you ran away. At least you're smart enough to know when you've been whipped. If you can progress to not saying stupid things with arrogant assurance you'll be doing even better.
You can't flip that around because not everyone is susceptible to whatever. For instance, if everyone eats from a buffet and 80% end up with the symptoms of food poisoning, you would conclude that the food must be contaminated even if 20% did not get food poisoning but ate the same food as everyone else ie. they didn't avoid the mayo, for instance. T
Howeve,r to the point brought up by Dr. John, if an outside person didn't know food could be contaminated, a situation such as the above could look as if there is a contagion spreading from person to person rather than from the food.
Food poisoning is usually caused by bacteria, unless it is some toxin like poisonous mushrooms, so that would still not be an acceptable analogy for those who believe there is no such thing as bacterial illness.
I know I'm about to be pooh-poohed for saying this bc metaphysics has no place in a proper scientific debate, but I say more's the pity. In order for one to maintain proper health, there must be a balance of body, mind and yes, spirit. You must believe in the integrity of your God-given body as well as a trust in a benevolent Universe, that would like nothing more than for you to thrive and become a contributing individual. Therefore you are not at the mercy of all bacteria or viruses that science discovers or puts a name to! We trust too entirely in the manmade, allopathic medical system and given that Rockefeller money funded it and brutally shut down all other schools of medicine, it needs to stop. I am in my 40s and can count on one hand how many times I've been sick enough to stay home from work. Was it bc of a flu virus? Maybe, but the real reason for sickness was more likely an emotional or mental unbalance that resulted in the flu! Stress is always involved. But the sickness is merely a warning to get to the root of the problem. Return to balance and the illness will go away without vaccines or pharmaceuticals.
The Flu will go away, as your body repels it. Yes - boost your immune system, and do your best to stay strong...but every so often you're going to get sick... And there's really nothing in the allopathic pharma or vaccine world that actually works to prevent or treat the flu. Perhaps Ivermectin works on it - studies should be done. But much of the FLCCC and related protocols is things like vitamin D and Zinc + quercetin, NACL etc..
People have been getting the flu for a long time... Much longer than the admittedly pernicious Rockefeller influence has been around.
Yes, sickness predates the Rockefellers, for sure, but the reasons for it will always be an imbalance in the over all individual. Yes, of course people die of diseases, but it only mirrors the individual's unwillingness to correct the emotional, mental and even the physical reason, ie: smoking, junk food, lack of exercise etc.
When I got Mononucleosis, I was doing great, living and surfing on O'ahu. I got it the standard way, by kissing a beautiful girl - who mentioned that she felt like she was catching a cold. It seemed 'worth the risk', at the time...
And no, I was living just as healthy as I did long before and long after. The Mono was pretty extreme, as 'colds' go - but it was limited to a time when I had direct contact with someone infected.
Catholic Church believes in scientific truth. Some Scientists reject that God can suspend laws He made... Like scientific laws.... They reject miracles, such as Fatina, Virgin of Guadalupe miracles etc.
Every person almost gets sick once or twice a year. It might be ‘I’m a bit under the weather. I’m going to go to bed early tonight’ and it goes away. In BC we have 5 million people. Let’s say one sickness every two years but three other ‘under the weathers’ on average. So 10 million new sicknesses a year. However slight. That’s a lot of new diseases a year. But more so it’s 25-30,000 a day. Random number distribution would say it would not be evenly distributed throughout a year. We would see lots of day to day stuff. But we’d also see clumping. Which we then call ‘something is going around’. But it might be simply random distribution.
That's not random distribution. That can be caused by a number of issues. BO? Adultress wife? Lousy Lover? This is a complex issue that requires a lot of study. It doesn't seem to be contagious....thank goodness.
Right - my 18-year-old never got the Wuhan flu. Sinus? Yes - and much of that was either what was blooming or what they were spraying. Great immune system, thank God, and good habits (although he could use a bit more exercise).
Maybe? If you note things happening in MANY cases, Autism and other things go with a leaky gut, something that I've observed as being a prominent issue with the older folks and many kids. Think their manipulation of formula for infants and then not giving good nutrition to older people are those influences? I breast fed our son for 2 years and he's very robust, thank God. When everyone else gets sick, he's usually the one making homemade chicken soup for them and tea. Also, I can honestly say that my older parents (80/86) didn't have many difficulties until they began eating out at fast food places - before they started that habit, were in VERY good health. I've been encouraging them to return more to eating closer to the vine and field and they are both doing better physically.
Absolutely. GMO, diet coke, glyphosate and many other things that are not actual food will ruin your gut, where 70% of your immune system resides. You don't want a leaky gut, leaky brain, leaky testies and other barriers of which there are many in your body.
I know nothing about this topic and frankly don't have time.
Ii don't jump at new copnspiracy thepries... I don't disparage this one, but I tend to dismiss no virus statements.
So on quest why some don't get it...some acquire natural immunity. BUT some have badass immune system... Heard this only once. So they didn't acquire immunity.... They just piss on any diseases.. So no idea if true
I like reading about war. Close quarters fighting. Some guys cannot be killed
Maybe they have heighten immunity or are taking or doing something that blocked the spike protein. Maybe they have fewer Ace2 receptors so the virus can't bind to them. I got covid after my hairstylist coughed all over me. Though I oddly had avoided it a couple weeks prior when my family members had it. My homebound disabled neighbor got the virus somehow. I and another neighbor were the only people ever came into her home and she did not ever leave her home because she was physically unable to. So one of us had to have spread it to her.
And how did the neighbor do? Did they have the jabs?
The way it seems to spread in "waves," much like how they are turning on and off 5G is what makes me super suspicious? Also, what they are spraying in the atmosphere. WHEN in your childhood did you EVER see pink and orange skies other than at the sunrise or sunset place? It all looks too suspicious to me.
Either, 1) an undamaged immune system, (my mom never got sick and never went to a doctor, lol) or, 2) for a radically different take, speaking homeopathically, some people are actually too profoundly ill to "catch a cold or a flu," which is a natural detox on some level.
People who have had "disease processes" driven in very deeply, to the point of mental, emotional or spiritual "disease" are frequently surprisingly "well" physically.
I’d still call that immunity. 80% of cases of wuflu were asymptomatic. A nurse might have had asymptomatic wuflu, developed immunity, and worked with the others with wuflu and never got reinfected because of immunity
So none of the others had immunity- not even one? We are talking about a few hundred other examples here.
We are also talking about this one person being considered the most "at risk" by all standard metrics. None of "immunity" explanations make any sense here.
I agree - because it's like a cold - there IS no immunity, basically. There is only not getting as sick - and the best way is by having whatever it is and relying on your own immunological responses along with Ivermectin, HCQ and vitamins because if you do the jabs, that only gives you one aspect of the "virus" and it adapts and incorporates into your cells and makes you more vulnerable to not only that, but to whatever is in your body that could potentially take over and kill or weaken you.
Ever wonder why people used to live to 600 in the olden days?
"No Virus" is not a hypothesis. It is not a theory.
It is a REFUTATION of the Germ Hypothesis.
Dr. Kaufman says it best:
"We actually are not presenting a theory. Because a theory would purport to explain natural phenomena. What we are doing is refuting a theory. We haven't made a claim as to the cause of the disease. But there has been a claim made that there is a virus called SARS-CoV-2... and that [this virus causes] a specific disease.
What we are doing is refuting the evidence put forth to satisfy that claim, because it is extremely faulty and perhaps even fraudulent at some level."
-- Dr Andrew Kaufman, Testimony before the German Corona Committee 4 Feb 2022
One of many problems with COVID theory is it seemed to be many diseases in one. What other disease affects twenty people in twenty different ways? Measles is measles. It isn’t mumps. Whooping cough is whooping cough. But COVID is whatever you want it to be.
One man's or woman's meat is another man's or woman's poison. You can quote me on that. By the way, remember when they used to say sugar is bad for you. That's a joke. Seriously, since I gave up sugar, I've controlled 25% more territory and produced 26% more offspring.
Do you (or Kaufman, or ...) refute the claim that Moderna patented the 19-nucleobase strand that codes for the unique furin-cleavage site of the spike protein of both SARS-CoV-2 and the spike in the mRNA “vaccines” in 2013, and has been working on both the virus and the “vaccines” since 2015?
Do you (etc.) refute the claim that whether a death was caused by the “vaccine“ or the virus can be determined by staining tissue from a deceased body to detect the presence of SARS-CoV-2 spike protein and nucleocapsid protein, and if only spike protein and not nucleocapsid protein is detected it was the “vaccine“ and not you virus?
And, by the way, when is claiming an absence not a theory and when is it a theory? If I claimed there were holes in the road, would that be a theory in itself or a refutation of the theory that there is a road? Genuine question. I think what distinguishes what are commonly called theories and hypotheses is that they are conjunctions rather than disjunctions.
I only speak for myself. If you want to know what someone else thinks, you'll have to ask them.
> refute the claim that Moderna patented the 19-nucleobase strand
Just because you see a budget line-item for "gain of function research" does not prove viruses exist. Just because you find a patent for a coronavirus or DNA strand, does not prove viruses exist
> that codes for the unique furin-cleavage site of the spike protein of both SARS-CoV-2
BS. SARS-CoV-2 has never been shown to exist. Therefore the "SARS-CoV-2 spike protein" is a fictional object.
> and the spike in the mRNA “vaccines”
I'm not sure that you understand how the "COVID Vaccines" claim to work.
The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are CLAIMED to be(*) mRNA viruses, which teach your cells how to manufacture the fictional "spike protein". The J+J and Astrazeneca "vaccines" are CLAIMED to be(*) adenovirus vector DNA vaccines, which again train your cells to manufacture the fictitious "spike protein". IN NEITHER CASE does anyone claim that these "vaccines" contain the fictitious "spike protein".
The only "vaccine" claimed to contain the fictitious "spike protein" is Novavax, which is claimed to be a "protein subunit" vaccine, also called a "dead virus" vaccine. However Novavax is not widely in use.
(* I don't believe it)
> Do you refute the claim that whether a death was caused by the “vaccine“ or the virus
There has never been any virus proven to EXIST. So I don't understand what you mean by "death was caused by the virus".
> when is claiming an absence not a theory
Refutation of Theory X to explain Phenomena Z is not a theory. It is a Refutation.
A theory purports to explain a natural phenomena. Sometimes I can prove "Theory X to explain Phenomena Z" is false, even if I don't know what the true cause of Phenomena Z is.
A theory explains something. They are refuting the explanation. They aren’t explaining the phenomena. They are merely saying ‘your idea doesn’t work for these reasons’.
In a large study in 1919, the US Army attempted to prove the contagion theory by injecting Spanish flu into healthy volunteers. The result was no one got sick. This was a far more extensive experiment than Igor's specious anecdotal conclusion that he got sick from merely being in the same room as someone who was already ill. Wasn't this dark authoritarian theory of contagion used to separate elderly people from their loved ones during the lockdowns? I think the "triggering mechanism" for the deaths of many of these elderly people was LONELINESS. A crime against humanity!
Precisely to what I referred - HOWEVER, we now know that there are THIRTY-SIX different (20 hepatic / serpentine, 15 conogastropodic / snail, and a type of starfish, German hedgehog, African bat so, at LEAST 38 then) VENINS incorporated into the synthetic 'novel' protein sequence that are EXCELLENT candidates for disease-state propagator.....
No, I didn't say that. Only that they may have tested with the wrong method of infection. There was an American cheese with the German sounding name of Leiderkrantz, which was originally created in 1891, as an American re-creation of Limburger cheese. I just found a source for its history which says that it was purchase by Borden in 1929, who owned it when I first remember eating it. A lot of this history I just discovered now on the Wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liederkranz_cheese
In 1981 a fire damaged the plant it was made at, and Borden sold it to another company who started producing it a few months later. This part I'm about to mention isn't in the Wikipedia article, but I remember at the time a news article about it. The new company mixed the culture into the batches when they tried to produce the cheese again, but it didn't come out right. They realized that it had to be cultured through airborne particles, so they smeared stock of the existing cheese on the walls of the factory, and that created the culture in the cheese they were producing. Back to Wikipedia-- However about four years later there was a bacterial contamination of some sort and they withdrew it from the market. The rights to the cheese and the cultures went through several ownerships, and I didn't realize till now that another company had started producing it again in 2010, after 25 years. Some doubted that the bacterial cultures would last that long, but apparently it worked. I used to like like the cheese--it wasn't as strong as Limburger and it had a unique flavor.
Isn't the traditional understanding of infection is that you end up inundated with a large viral load of pathogenic viruses? Even if we buy this theory of toxicity it does not appear that they tested the theory out with a large group of subjects and adequate controls. The so-called novel SAR-COV-2 virus was never linked to a myriad of sick people in the real world utilizing EM images. Anyway that's my impression. I would imagine to do so would jeopardize their entire theory and program. No the "pandemic" was 'certified" through the specious results of PCR tests that do not measure so-called infection.
That's what happened in the test subjects of mRNA in the past - when they came into contact with the stuff that had been injected into them, they died. They had no defense for anything that had mutated through the natural process.
The problem is the assumption of contagion. Back in the day widespread vitamin deficiencies were considered exemplars of contagion, until they weren't.
Pellagra (B3 niacin) is a prime example with its 4 D’s: Dermatitis, Diarrhea, Dementia, Death. Likewise on ships, scurvy afflicted all the sailors, with >50% dying on long voyages until the association was made between foods with vitamin C and the prevention of the deficiency disease.
"Until the discovery of pellagra's link with niacin, it was widely believed that the disease was an infection that could be transmitted from person to person."
GOV funds the development, erases all liability and market risk (the latter by psy-ops and mandates), BigPharma scores utterly titanic profits, gratis, while politicians acquire the levers of control.
OMG, there you are!!!!!!! I was trying to remember your name... So glad you're in this conversation! And glad you do what you do. You're one of my heroes. xo xo xo xo xo
I’m not sure if you have even listened to them closely. A lot of these folks don’t deny people label things they see as viruses. They are just of the opinion that these things are exosomes or cellular debris. They think it’s a different part of the disease progression and not the causative agent. It’s okay to disagree. It’s not okay to frame them as complete imbeciles.
>I’m not sure if you have even listened to them closely.
Are you speaking to me?
I'm sorry about your lack of clarity.
I have, BTW.
> A lot of these folks don’t deny people label things they see as viruses.
> They are just of the opinion that these things are exosomes or cellular debris.
You can point to a dot on an SEM photograph which seems to be a vesicle emitting from a cell, and say, "Look at that dot!!!!", and that's about all you can conclude.
But you cannot point to a dot on an SEM photograph and say, "that is a virus", without FIRST defining what you mean by the term "virus", i.e.,
a "replication-competent intra-cellular obligate parasite that causes cellular necrosis and symptomatic disease, which transmit between hosts via natural modes of exposure."
AND SECOND, proving that such things exist.
Yes, THE DOT on the PHOTO exists!
(So what? all SEM photography is a contrivance.)
However, saying that THE DOT is a "replication-competent intra-cellular obligate parasite that causes cellular necrosis and symptomatic disease, which transmits between hosts via natural modes of exposure" -- requires a lot of evidence which heretofore has not been entered into the record (the entire historical canon of peer-reviewed scientific papers published to date).
"Contagion is obvious" says the guy who wasn't killed by ebola, HIV-AIDS, SARS-1, MERS, SARS-COV-2, monkeypox, smallpox, marburg...
Lol. Like Rapporport said recently: You have a very short memory. How many "contagions" have raged across the planet, wiping out humanity? Zero. We always survive, I suspect, because disease isn't contagious. It can happen to a lot of people at the same time, but that does not prove it is spread from person to person....that must be demonstrated empirically, which it hasn't.
Yes, I do not subscribe to the germ-terrain false dichotomy. It is a case of both/and. I just do not believe in nanoscale 'contagious, disease-causing viruses'. If one doesn't think bacterium can cause illness well I can grow a batch of salmonella for you to drink...
They’re not transmissible in the way we think as transmissible. Don’t eat the salmonella you won’t get sick. Like a cobra bite. The cobra transmitted the poison into you. But don’t be bitten you won’t get sick.
Well, I didn't say anything about giving you salmonella drinks, but.
I don't think it's as simple as a "false dichotomy." I think it's still THEORIES, and while I think the THEORY of viruses is a false one, a scheme, as in profit-making scheme, I do think the Terrain Theory makes FAAAAR more sense than the Germ Theory, which has been dead for some time. But it might depend on whether you consider bacteria to be "germs."
Look into German new medicine. Answers a lot of the questions you might have beyond toxins and deficiencies. Truly the most game changing thing I’ve ever come across when it comes to health
....and they are ENTIRELY correct; there ARE no such things as, 'contagions' - as 'viruses', AREN'T sentient, alive but rather, NEUTRAL organic MEDIA until such conditions as specific resonant values PIEZOELECTRICALLY alter their crystalline structures and associated fieldS to produce (for THEM) constructive entanglement / FACILITATING pathogenic relationships; germ theory was DESIGNED to manufacture an EXTERNAL threat, create a contrived NEED - while we now have COMPELLING evidence that MOST disease-states arise from biological poisonings, synthesized toxins ALIKE.....
I would be curious to see a math analysis of actual disease outbreaks every year. If I take 5000 black tiles and 5000 white tiles , shake them into a bag and then randomly spread them onto a 100 x 100 squared board they will not alternate. I will get clumps of white and clumps of
Black and some areas of alternation etc. I’m not certain contagion is at least in part random number distribution. ‘How do you explain so many of us all getting sick last June?’ ‘Because everyone cleanses once or twice a year. Random distribution says it should clump. In addition these cleanses tend to occur more to people during abrupt weather changes as the body attempts to acclimate. Add in groups of people tend to ingest the same toxins/garbage and you will appear to have contagion when in fact it’s weather and similar toxins.’
Susceptibility appears to be all there really is. But, and this matters a lot to me, epidemiologists follow "viral outbreaks" as they move across the globe every year.
Ditto past experiences like smallpox infected blankets being given to Native Americans.
And outbreaks generated by Western Scientists visiting villages in the Amazon resulting in total decimation of a tribe. Observation is the Scientific Method.
Contagion is real, IMO. I just think that "viruses" are not exactly what we think they are, and perhaps can be triggered and/or generated many different ways.
Scientific method involves controlled experiments, not simply observing people getting sick or finding dead people. Logic please, people can die from many things. Meanwhile no virus particle has even been shown to exist. We've been conditioned to believe in contagion our entire lives. Yet every attempt to demonstrate it scientifically has failed. Literally no one got sick, no matter what the researchers tried.
I agree about the need for actual science on some very fundamental questions. Like Reich's discovery of Bions, Orgone, DOR, etc., among others, and Sheldrake's Morphogentic Fields, Tesla's frequency and resonance, etc., ...Life, and Everything in the Universe starts getting VERY interesting!
What if a viral infection is actually a cellular detox triggered by certain electromagnetic frequencies, or waves of DOR?
Or a relationship to starlight, sunlight, and the general contraction in Nature during the winter?
I know I get "sick" when I'm toxic, or weakened. So there is that. Naturopth Chris Chlebowski just wrote "The Virus and the Host," and I find it a good starting place for many.
First we definitely need to look at the "ground" long before we study the "pathogen."
Then maybe we could try to understand the "bugs" a bit more scientifically?
Germ Theory has been a complete fraud since Pasteur fabricated it, and viral theory is an even more fraudulent derivation of that BS, as Stefan Lanka and others have revealed by their detailed critique of the viral "isolation" process of the fake science discipline called virology, including the routine (WTF!) use of animal (different species) tissue and cell toxins, cherry-picking, etc.
I suggest you have a read of "Béchamp or Pasteur? A Lost Chapter in the History of Biology" by Ethel Douglas Hume, first published in 1923, and most recently republished in 2006. You will probably be shocked by what you read!
Nature may dismiss this book, but that is mostly likely a propaganda "hatchet job", probably because this inconvenient historic evidence threatens many "medical" people's investment and careers, and threatens the existence of many "medical" corporation and their massive ongoing fraudulent revenue!
Germ Theory has been a complete fraud since Pasteur fabricated it, and viral theory is an even more fraudulent derivation of that BS, as Stefan Lanka and others have revealed by their detailed critique of the viral "isolation" process of the fake science discipline called virology, including the routine (WTF!) use of animal (different species) tissue and cell toxins, cherry-picking, etc.
Agreed, but don't let Pasteur off the hook for the virus par specifically. He invented that to satisfy a contract with the french government to create a medical pretext to stop british maritime traffic from passing the strait of gibraltar without starting a war. France did this in response to the slave-state great britain seizing the suez canal in violation of international law for their banker owners.
So pasteur owns this bogus pathogenic virus particle theory.
I suggest you have a read of "Béchamp or Pasteur? A Lost Chapter in the History of Biology" by Ethel Douglas Hume, first published in 1923, and most recently republished in 2006. You will probably be shocked by what you read! http://mnwelldir.org/docs/history/biographies/Bechamp-or-Pasteur.pdf
I won't be shocked because I saw it in 2006. If you want to see the best collection of all of this information look at a site called "whale.to".
Nature may dismiss this book, but that is mostly likely a propaganda "hatchet job", probably because this inconvenient historic evidence threatens many "medical" people's investment and careers, and threatens the existence of many "medical" corporation and their massive ongoing fraudulent revenue!
Yes, it's all about the power. The bankers or whoever owns their asses want to make everybody more dependent on them. Their cull was planned certainly since before 1981 when they carved it in stone in the state of Georgia in 12 languages 4 of which are no longer spoken by human beings as their firts language.
The reason they want/needto cull us is the same reason all aggressive and passive beings do most things: Fear.
They have the technology that brought down the twin towers in seconds turning "solid" matter into fine powder faster than gravity could bring the top of the building to EArth.
But they live in fear that others will also have it and then they'll have competition.
That old piece of shit John D. Rockefeller said it: "competition is a sin".
so they figure their best shot at maintaining the exclusivity on this liberating technology which could take us several levels into the future requires killing most of us and maintaining us in an orwellian police state.
What I've learned here (for the n-th time) Is that even people like Igor are totally fooling themselves.
They think that they see a definition of science and the scientific method, and that they agree with us (I expect you and I would see eye to eye on it)
In fact Igor doesn't agree with us though he believes he does. Igor has a religion known as pseudo science and he believes that he is scientific because he can organize people to move large machines down the highway without killing innocent women and children or damaging material.
But his science ends there. He hasn't carried it to biology.
When it comes to biology Igor is neck deep in pseudo-science but still thinks he's a scientist.
And we won't likely be able to pull him out of his self-delusional world any more than I could help Heidi the psychopath (no offense Heidi, it's just the truth) to see that she too is a pseudo scientist.
The difference between Heidi and Igor is that Heidi is upfront in her delusions, Igor hides his from himself.
The concept of external causes for disease does two things; first it makes peoples choices about things like adequate exercise and a healthy diet irrelevant and secondly it greatly enriches the medical industrial complex.
This "cull" stuff has been going on since at least WWII, and likely before that. Eugenics is not a new thing, as I'm sure you know. Cheers, good comment.
Max Igan has dug up a lot of information of past culls that nobody else I know of has found. Search for the "mud flood". Apparently culls have been a regular feature of life on Earth. This is the solution found by the people who are working on suppressing paper money.
We all need to throw out our smartphones before it's too late. I have an idea to go around this. Commission a small indian firm to make an open source device with a gsm port, a wifi port an ethernet port and enough memory to permit opensource software scripts. Create non-profit organizations locally to own and bear the name on the contracts with the telecoms. The devices need to be able to detect each other. Every time you cross somebody in the supermarket you change devices with them. Or perhaps the devices could just randomly change their mac address. But I think it would be better to use both of those solutions. One would connect one's smart phone to this device's wifi, perhaps best to pass that interface through a VPN. It would be necessary to root the smart phone to be able to turn off the gsm interface because the psychopaths have a database of everybody's smart phone's mac address. Many smart phones one would likely need to physically damage the gsm interface.
In this way we could keep our smartphones and make it very much more difficult for them to track us. Also the non-profits would furnish a very useful aid to creating local currencies. The groups formed this way could collaborate with the groups in neighboring areas, or there could be multiple groups in the same geographical areas in densely populated places.
I don't think it's that "they don't exist." It's more like: they are created in ways we do not fully understand, and can be "transmitted" in more ways than getting sneezed upon!
Perhaps they really are "exosomes." And perhaps they are part of a natural detox process.
Maybe they can even be "triggered" by electricity as well as caught through contagion. Read "Invisible Rainbow" by Arthur Furstenberg
What I'm saying is that after listening to a WIDE range of experts over the past nearly three years, I have little faith in the idea that viruses are sneaky little agents of harm that lurk everywhere and jump up your nose and into your mouth and make you sick. I just don't see the PROOF.
Exosomes makes far more sense, as in, they are like trash collectors, who take out cells that are poisoned or dead or damaged, they are helpers, not bringers of harm. They come FROM our bodies, not from outside them. That has been explained in various ways over and over and over by people who should know, and it's LOGICAL, and therefore I agree with that, not as some sort of iron-clad MUST BE thing, b
Listen to Dr. Mike Yeadon among others. He was open minded enough to dive into this rabbit hole and honest enough to recognize and speak about the underlying problems with standard viral theories.
So while yes, viruses as currently described in standard texts do nicely explain our lived experiences, there is still an underlying flaw, a pretty big one, in viral science.
It is possible that they are a bit different than we think, and that they can be transmitted or "triggered" by other mechanisms than direct contact, and that our cells, under certain circumstances, can actually produce what we call "viruses" themselves.
I think we need to consider Rupert Sheldrake, Nikola Tesla, and Wilhelm Reich in all our studies of Biology.
We perhaps don't understand everything in Nature as well as we assume we do!
The problem I have with the "viruses don't exist" hypothesis is that they (Cowan, etc.) say that there is no such thing as contagion & that diseases are caused by toxins or nutritional deficiencies. As Igor pointed out, most of us have experiences of getting sick from others. Contagion is obvious, maybe viruses don't cause illness, but something does.
Let's flip that around.
How do you explain that someone can be around people who are constantly sick from a purported virus, in direct contact with them for extended periods on a daily basis over the course of two years no less, and that person never gets sick.
We call it immunity.
So how is that the virus is able to impact every single one of these people, repeatedly in fact, except this one person. We are also talking about the most deadly, transmissible and long-lasting virus in human history.
This has been going on for two and a half years.
Does this one person have superpowers or some insane immune system or is it blind luck?
Is it possible there is something else going on?
My grandmother is 94. Sharp as tack. Very social. Never wore a mask and didn't get the injections.
She also never received any vaccines in her life.
She never had covid.
I wonder if it's other vaccines that perhaps weakened people's immune system?
The quadrivalent "flu" vaccine was rolled out in 2019.
I believe that is an avenue worth exploring.
However the reality is that there would have been no excess deaths whatsoever in March/April 2020 had it not been for policy changes in nursing homes and hospitals that directly caused that spike in deaths.
Vaccines ABSOLUTELY weaken the immune system! And they are full of toxins. When you are walking around with a huge body burden of mercury, aluminum, and other "nasties" your immune system is definitely depressed.
But to see the results in children of immune system harms from vaccination, look at Dr. James Lyons Weiler's peer reviewed study of Dr. Paul Thomas's pediatric practice, or the Guinea-Bissau study showing little girls that are vaccinated dying at much higher rates than the unvaccinated, or The Control Group Litigation's Survey of Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed.
Everywhere you look the unvaccinated are vastly healthier.
And the Lazarus study of Harvard Pilgrim Health Care showed less than 1% of vaccine adverse events make it into VAERS.
We are killing ourselves and our children with this practice which has never been proven either safe or effective!
People's immune systems are being weakened by modern life.. Some people are gifted at birth with powerful immunity and some get it by lifestyle.
My kids are the only people I know that have not had Covid. They are not vaccinated with anything, except my son until he was 4 months old (and his reaction to vaccines woke me up). I do think that their untouched immune systems help them repel a lot of viruses that make others sick. I also tried to infect them with chicken pox when they were young (an MD couple I knew invited me over so that my kids could catch it from their very spotty kids). Nothing.
Possibly the annual flu vaccine may have driven some ADE.
Ryan,
I concur. My dad lived to 99 was sharp. NEVER took any vacc's. Ever that I know of. Ate pretty healthy, but not all that concerned. Mom, on the other hand, died at 83, ate SUPER healthy, gardened all the time, but DID get some flu shots, how many, I'm guessing at least ten in her life.
She suffered "hot flashes" all her post menapausal life, and got breast cancer, and had some pituitary gland growth issue as well. Poor lady. I'm now beginning to be not so puzzled by this. I'm of the mind to agree with many docs and nurses who "know" that the vacc. campaign to stick every person multiple times, is just a means to make people sick and prone to their "care" while bilking the ins. co.s at the same time.
Thanks for your post,
Ray
ABSOLUTELY! Vaccines destroy the immune system. Tons of evidence.
Exploding autoimmunity in the children as vaccine schedules ballooned from 5 to 72 . Exploding cancer rates in the vaccinated.
Read Dr. Sherrie Tenpenny. Go to the High Wire and ICAN. Read Children's Health Defense's "Vaccines, Gateway Drugs by Design?" Read Dr. James Lyons Weiler's Study of Dr. Paul Thomas's pediatric practice----conclusion, "The unvaccinated simply do not get sick!" Finally, spend a little time with the Control Group Litigation's Survey Study. You will never be blind to the truth of vaccines ever again.
YES. Absolutely. VACCINES are made by mad scientists. Just look at the ingredients to some and ask yourself...WHERE DID THEY COME UP WITH THEM FROM? A seer? A card reader? An LSD trip? A dream? The "holy spirit"? The DEVIL? Why are OBVIOUS toxins in them? Isn't PEG a TOXIN? Isn't mercury a TOXIN? The questions that arise in my questioning mind are endless.
Your grandmother has what is sorely lacking in the population today...common sense and a belief in her own health and apparently a skepticism in western medicine. She's living proof of the validity of keeping the balance of body, mind and spirit. God bless her.
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Yup. Me, too.
Yes. Not so much weakened it, but the other vaccines were TOXIC and the toxin is still in the victims.
How do you know your grandmother had "Covid"? On the basis of a ridiculous PCR test? Or was it just their idiotic supposition?
Believe it or not many people have a mucosal resistance and the virus never has a chance to replicate. Stopped at the front door. That immunity varies by individual. See UK Challenge Study (https://doi.org/10.1038/s41591-022-01780-9).
I try to avoid respiratory infections via mouth/nose sanitation like was done eons ago. I use a dilute Betadine solution other do fine with simple salt. So very odd our masters of public health can't be bothered to do a PSA. Doctors, some of them, say it works.
Or don't cut all your nose hairs out. I truly believe that helps. It is the first barrier.
And wash your mouth out people.
I recently discovered this nasal spray...and have been really impressed. I usually struggle with fall allergies, but have been completely fine since I started using this daily. It is a saline spray with xylitol and grapefruit seed oil...my understanding is that it coats the mucosal lining preventing allergens (as well as bacteria and viruses) from causing an issue. I can’t remember where I read that they used it it in the placebo arm of some of the trials for covid and discovered it’s got some efficacy against viral infections...anyway, thought I’d share, I’ve been really impressed.
https://xlear.com/xlear-sinus-care/
I never got covid. Hell, I stopped getting flu ONCE I STOPPED getting flu shot.
Ill send a link in a second
Look at me... I'm an animal. When some alarming news comes in, I just stare at my gorilla pecs for comfort
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yuhWD_N1VNI
I offered hugs to people in 2020 to mock covid😎😎😎😎😎 if nobody thinks you're funny but you...
My only illnrss... Bad headaches after arguing with people on internet that have no logic
Likewise....
SARS-Cov-2 is transmissible, but no more dangerous than influenza for 95% + of the population. Kids don't even know they have had it and they have built immunity! Our friends and family died from endless fear porn, dropping immune system function, house arrest in toxic cities, missing standard medical check ups and all human healthy activities, isolation, lack of vitamin D, toxic flu shots, cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and influenza, all aggravated to lethal levels by medical nihilism, with the final death blow delivered by Remdesivir and a Ventilator. The last two will kill anyone who is not as strong as a bull elephant, but is guaranteed lethal for a SARS-Cov-2 patient. Pull up "Hello My name is Spartacus, and I have had Enough," using DuckDuckGo as your search engine.
This stellar piece has been vetted by the FLCCC and looks to be completely accurate by all my understandings.
These hospital protocols were the equivalent of the Nazi Trains to the Death Camps for our elderly and frail, and for African Americans, who have chronically low levels of vitamin D, high levels of diabetes, obesity, and other "co-morbidities" for "Covid."
Really hear Dr. Mike Yeadon and Dr. Lee Merritt out. We didn't even need a new, dangerous respiratory virus for the deaths in hospital we experienced. American's underlying ill health plus the "Protocols" were all that was genuinely required.
Now the killer quackzine is dropping the young and healthy, and wreaking havoc worldwide as every nation that forced this experiment on their people are witnessing "unexplained" excess death rates, frequently much higher than those during the "pandemic!" Where this is going no one but the "Perps" really knows, yet universities and medical establishments all over the United States are still forcing them on the young and healthy, with immunity, no less! This is completely criminal and lethal behavior.
It is DEMOCIDE.
The Governments are killing the people.
Yes they are - how do we stop it? Even De Santis signed something that has embedded in it that they can inject (without permission) a person if there is declared an emergency and it is in the best interest of the state.
"SARS-Cov-2 is transmissible, but no more dangerous than influenza for 95% + of the population."
That sounds like it's straight out of a newspaper article... How exactly do you know this? Everything else I've been seeing you say makes sense, except that. SARS COVII is a Bio-weapon, it's patented! Why/how would/could anyone patent something that a) is already a threat, even if it's not very dangerous, and b) they have clearly tampered with, or why would it be PATENTED at all?
Okay, you want to keep believing in evil, invisible attackers from Hell that fly up your nose, but not when you're SITTING DOWN in a restaurant, that's okay, but ... naw. I think you're smarter than that.
I think so - that's why I introduced the idea of 5G and whatever they are spraying in the environment. MOST of the 5G was deployed after people were sent home the last 2 years. They also stepped up the spraying. I recently read that MOST of the problems are happening in the west because of what they are spraying that dries up water, delays rain, etc. I have seen it happening around us and we've had the hottest, least rainy year that I remember in the 14 that we've lived in our coastal MS home. To me, there is no other explanation. Also, around the time they were spraying here, most of my family living in other states got sick, too. I had the "virus" twice (undiagnosed but all symptoms) but got it again in August - no doubt - same time everyone else came out with it, too. I don't know, I'm not a scientist - but I can think and see what's happening with our environment and it's not good. That people are allowing it all is what astounds me. Again, I knew something was wrong when they made a new "environmental division" to Wall Street right after sending everyone home. THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO MESS WITH OUR ENVIRONMENT - but BIDEN has signed that they may. The Usurper and his administration has said that climate experiments may be allowed.
I think you're definitely in the ballpark... There a lot that we don't "KNOW," but there's also a lot of clear evidence of fuckery that anyone could put together and come up with a theory... And so there are theories, some that seem more reasonable than others, but the more facts we have, the more some of these theories seem sound. Something like a new "environmental division" to Wall Street sure sounds *interesting* to me...
And I absolutely agree: These arrogant people, doing things they HAVE NO RIGHT to do, like messing with the environment... They should be in prison, in my view. But as long as people a) can't figure out what's going on, b) can't believe it when it becomes CLEAR what's going on, and c) can't get themselves in gear to DO something about what's going on when it's shown to be going on, tells me that there is a large percentage of the population that just WON'T LIFE A FINGER to do anything about much of anything until it threatens their life, their stuff, or their kids...
We're still seeing people getting jabs for their kids, so... The tide is turning, but it's a Slow Fricken Turn.
That healthy person may be a witch.
1692 was a very good year....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx8keLopGIM
LOL!
"We are also talking about the most deadly, transmissible and long-lasting virus in human history."
Are you talking about SARS2?
I always use scare quotes or "alleged" before "SARS-CoV-2."
The internet doesn't do nuance in speech.
Some people have fewer Ace2 receptors than others and this virus enters the body via Ace2. Certain races have more of these receptors so your ancestry has some influence on this. Certain things block the virus which was not highly publicized, but things like nicotine or taking high blood pressure medicine (Ace2 inhibitors) were actually protective. What really bothered me was I was taking elderberry weekly as a preventative for flu and yet that did not block the new covid virus from getting me down in Dec 2019 before it was known in the US. I later tested positive for antibodies is how I know I had it, plus also the fact that I had Covid Toes and endothelial damage.
Nicotine blocks Ace2 receptor. But it also upregulates Ace2.
Tested how? The PCR?
Just imagine, for a second: What if "Covid" is actually poisoning from EMF's?
Flu viruses? Been around since the beginning of time, until wuflu came along and totally eradicated the flu.
We went from averaging about 30,000 deaths per year in the last decade to almost 0. Why do you think that is?
Well that's an easy one- I wrote this in April 2020:
https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2020/04/29/against-the-corona-panic-pt-vi-where-has-the-regular-flu-gone-the-cdc-reports-unprecedented-crash-in-non-covid-flu-positives-raising-questions/
And:
https://healthfreedomdefense.org/where-did-the-flu-go/
what's going on is that this person hasn't damaged his gut and all of the others have.
Those are my thoughts exactly, especially given that many people are ending up with "sepsis."
Aren't you describing contagion in all of these other people?
Yes, If you watch this you will gain some insight. Clue: it has to do with yeast or ecoli in the body.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/GTjwSyhXS7rV/
Yes.
Because that person has been exposed and has immunity. Pretty simple stuff.
How is a 'virus' able to infect same person multiple times (when it supposedly got immunity after the first infection), but another person cannot infect even once?
Yeah, right ..
Sorcery.
VAXX Bio Weapon
"Virus" = bioweapon, too.
IT'S A BIOWEAPON!! I know you understand that or you wouldn't have put it in quotes. People are lab rats right now.
The only bioweapon is the vaxx.
The 'virus' is smoke and mirrors. Only exists inside the TV..
Exactly! Maybe because this one is not "real virus"?
Shock horror!
WAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!
Oh, it's EVIL, and... determined. ;) It has a MIND, an EVIL mind.
I was breathing hard and sweating there trying to remain polite with Isabel, did you see her remark?
What if you knew that all of those other people had been swimming in a pool of toxic sludge each day but that one person was not doing this.
Would that still be a case of "immunity?"
You are trying to prove your case by using hypotheticals, which is impossible to refute (or prove). Observation suggests that there are many different factors influencing whether a person gets sick or not. The presence of an agent of contagion (perhaps a "virus" or some bacteria) does seem to be a factor.
It is not possible to avoid the pool of toxic sludge that we all live in. So your argument is irrelevant.
You call it that, but not as a result of science. You call it "immunity" because it fits your narrative. Don't be afraid to QUESTION, even your OWN narrative. THAT is science.
300 colds in your lifetime . Why no increased immunity to them . In fact they older you get the worse they get. in most cases a cold / flu takes you out in the end
Because colds and flus are inflammation (because of differences in temperatures, etc) and/or detox processes (because of toxins that built up in the organism).
The more toxins you get, the more severe the detox process it is.
There's no viruses to build immunity against.
There's a clarity in what you say here.
Plus, it seems really weird that a family doctor sees more reality in an invisible virus than in a measurable toxic substance that could be affecting a patient. Low dose toxic poisoning is essentially poopooed; only lethal poisoning seems to get anyone's attention. One has to go outside conventional medicine for the miracles rendered through detox programs.
I recently listened to a Dr. Lee Merritt presentation about the 1918 "Spanish flu" and it was fascinating: That illness might have been blown out of proportion over time for pharma propaganda purposes. And two things might have been making people ill in that general era -- reactions to faulty inoculations given to soldiers during world War I and the proliferation of new electrical/telegraph lines which were only later made to better direct the flow of energy in as safe a manner as possible. That is, EMF illness may have been in the mix of human illnesses as technology was initiated and the human organism struggled to adapt. Information like this indicates that the story of human illness and human ability to adapt may be more interesting, fascinating, complex and mind-blowing than the rut in the science road repeated with the singular virus/contagion/immunity/vaccination mantra ENFORCED on society for decades. I think Science should operate a Big Tent and any system which tries to limit Science to a single paradigm should be questioned vigorously and loudly.
At 72 my worst cold was my first semester living on a college campus when I was 21. Not many since then. The flu? Rare, and often wonder if at times what I thought was the flu was some form of food poisoning. The last time I had an undisputed flu was about 12 years ago when a housemate decided to get a flu vax, got sick immediately, and made the rest of us in the house all sick with it, too. I'd call that an experience of "shedding" for sure.
It hasn't been my experience that growing older equates with increased illness. So, I don't think an older person is a sicker and sicker person.
Hah hahh--!! That's pure bullshit.
Fuck off, troll
I call it a "conclusion" based on conjecture. These threads are so hard to follow! This was to Marius' comment....
Funny thing is, the original meaning of the 'virus' word, was toxin..
Shoulda been "DE-toxin." ^_^ Those poor exosomes really got a bad rap! But what's clearly a HUGE CLUE is that exosomes are created BY THE BODY, they are the detoxers, not the CAUSE... Well, there it is. And so easy to pull the wool over everyone's eyes...
I like the word "exosome" because now "virus" has been utterly spoiled, after all these years of bs.
What's also interesting is how so many people study virology and somehow MISS the connection, MISS the nonsensical "virus theory" that is utterly bizarre... But then, look how many people think these masks are efficacious without ANYTHING to back that up. The FEAR that comes into people's eyes when I tell them masks don't work... And they get very condescending about me saying this... Oh, the human psychology is all about being RIGHT, because Oh, My Dog, if I'm wrong, maybe I'm wrong about a LOT of things... Now I have to go actually STUDY something!!!!!!!! ;)
Indeed. The argumentation offered for contagion is unfalsifiable. If someone nearby gets sick, it's taken as proof of contagion. If somene nearby doesn't get sick, it's explained as contagion plus immunity. Thie pattern is a sign of a pseudoscience, where the number of postulated entities rises as fast as the number of phenomena.
How much of the respiratory sickness was caused by all those XXXX masks worn for more than 8 hours at a time?
i find utterly disgusting that there exists a paper on the 2018 spanish flu
which fauchi co authored
and in it they all concluded that majority of deaths werent flu but actually bacterial pnuemonia - and theory is that extended mask wearing was the culprit
clown world indeed
I read that study a couple of years ago when it was first drawn to my attention. While it did conclude that many deaths were from bacterial pneumonia, I could find no mention of the pneumonia being related to mask wearing. It also did not conclude that the bacterial pneumonia was not a direct result of the flu.
This almost doesn't matter - I don't think the study matters all that much wrt either figuring out what happened with covid, nor with figuring out Tony Fauci's general character - there is plenty of other evidence for both arguments. Nevertheless - this is a (common) mischaracterization of that particular piece of evidence.
You would think that would be a pretty obvious question wouldn't you?
Not to mention the bacterial and fungal colonies that come wtih those obscene face coverings.
And how about the toxic fibers that make up those blue masks going into the lungs?
It's worth remembering that studies we have show no significant effect on respiratory diseases from mask wearing. If we are happy to accept those studies as proof that the requirement for masks is/was nonsense, we probably also should accept that they don't seem to cause a statistically significant increase in either infection or severity of respiratory disease either.
Bingo.
One of the things I find fascinating here is how it is accepted at face value (even as that narrative is fundamental to entities that intend harm and profit from that harm) that there is this one "thing", this virus, that is causing disease and death.
Yet these same people who make this claim when confronted with the "healthy person amidst the sick" go into an array of intricate descriptions as to how that person remained healthy.
The example I gave is not a theoretical one. It is a verifiable first hand account.
Another first-hand account is my own. From about 2015 to 2022, I never got sick despite trying. We have two kids. Whenever they were sick, I would increase my usual role of "Daddy vacuum cleaner" and eat up the leftover food on their plates, drink up their water glasses, take my own temperature straight after taking theirs, etc.
In early 2022, I felt terrible for a few days and stayed in bed. I don't know why for sure but attribute it to the complicated, year-long process of emigrating finally being mostly done, so I could relax and heal -- meaning perhaps detox -- from the stress of it.
some theorize the flu (or the condition associated with its symptoms) is a normal bodily function initiated when too much toxins accumulate within the body's cells from day to day life.
this would also explain why the symptoms follow a pattern with everyone. because the body follows a detox pattern of operation. and its the same for everyone almost
I applaud you for not blaming it to a 'virus'.
Many others would have done that..
Wrong... Good health can also be explained by lack of irritant/agent as well as immunity; you're making the dialogue up as you go, to fit your own biases. What you call pseudoscience uses much better logic and evidence than anything your or your germ-rejecting friends have yet provided.
Your post makes my point for me.
I had pointed out that, when someone else in a family gets sick, it's "explained" as -- really, just called -- contagion. When someone else in the same family doesn't get sick, it's "explained" as immunity (to explain why the alleged contagion didn't happen despite the same exposure). All bases are covered, which is characteristic of a pseudoscience.
Your post just repeats that base-covering argument. Calling it "better logic" just makes me wonder even more how sound the logic of virology is.
Don is a typical person who sees himself only in others. He needs us.
people don't always remember being healthy, but they always remember getting sick.
and this little nugget is what they use to fuel the fear that keeps this viral charade going...
Yes, never mind the fact that any time this has been scientifically scrutinized rather than simply anecdote as Dr John has provided, findings have come up bupkis (Rosenau for example and many more). Contagion exists in the narratives we create, certainly not the scientific literature
I agree with you Nick
Terrain ALSO exists meaning that you have a strong enough immune system, and/or are inoculated by previous exposures.
Which just happens to make virology utterly non falsifiable on the contagion front. Lucky that. As long as they can find the virus in human hosts though....oh wait.
More than one factor at play doesn't make this unfalsifiable, lol. Just more difficult to get a grip on than superficially looking at it.
I see, your exposure to remotely complex systems is nil.
I see you ran away. At least you're smart enough to know when you've been whipped. If you can progress to not saying stupid things with arrogant assurance you'll be doing even better.
Because both theories are valid? Or is this highlander and there can only be one?
Lol, good one!
Because all 3 are BS! BS! BS!
The three narratives that I alluded to previously
Well human challenge trials are underway with SARS-CoV-2 and people were readily infected when exposed.
You can't flip that around because not everyone is susceptible to whatever. For instance, if everyone eats from a buffet and 80% end up with the symptoms of food poisoning, you would conclude that the food must be contaminated even if 20% did not get food poisoning but ate the same food as everyone else ie. they didn't avoid the mayo, for instance. T
Howeve,r to the point brought up by Dr. John, if an outside person didn't know food could be contaminated, a situation such as the above could look as if there is a contagion spreading from person to person rather than from the food.
Food poisoning is usually caused by bacteria, unless it is some toxin like poisonous mushrooms, so that would still not be an acceptable analogy for those who believe there is no such thing as bacterial illness.
Innate immunity.
Pre-existing immunity.
General state of health.
Hydration.
General state of GI health.
Genetics.
How about Occam's razor: there's no virus to begin with, disease is caused by environmental factors (toxicity, etc)
There are contagious agents, and there are co-factors.
Please, show me the contagion experiment.
I know I'm about to be pooh-poohed for saying this bc metaphysics has no place in a proper scientific debate, but I say more's the pity. In order for one to maintain proper health, there must be a balance of body, mind and yes, spirit. You must believe in the integrity of your God-given body as well as a trust in a benevolent Universe, that would like nothing more than for you to thrive and become a contributing individual. Therefore you are not at the mercy of all bacteria or viruses that science discovers or puts a name to! We trust too entirely in the manmade, allopathic medical system and given that Rockefeller money funded it and brutally shut down all other schools of medicine, it needs to stop. I am in my 40s and can count on one hand how many times I've been sick enough to stay home from work. Was it bc of a flu virus? Maybe, but the real reason for sickness was more likely an emotional or mental unbalance that resulted in the flu! Stress is always involved. But the sickness is merely a warning to get to the root of the problem. Return to balance and the illness will go away without vaccines or pharmaceuticals.
The Flu will go away, as your body repels it. Yes - boost your immune system, and do your best to stay strong...but every so often you're going to get sick... And there's really nothing in the allopathic pharma or vaccine world that actually works to prevent or treat the flu. Perhaps Ivermectin works on it - studies should be done. But much of the FLCCC and related protocols is things like vitamin D and Zinc + quercetin, NACL etc..
People have been getting the flu for a long time... Much longer than the admittedly pernicious Rockefeller influence has been around.
Exactly so - my question about all of this was, "Since when weren't people supposed to get sick?"
Yes, sickness predates the Rockefellers, for sure, but the reasons for it will always be an imbalance in the over all individual. Yes, of course people die of diseases, but it only mirrors the individual's unwillingness to correct the emotional, mental and even the physical reason, ie: smoking, junk food, lack of exercise etc.
Agree to disagree, then.
When I got Mononucleosis, I was doing great, living and surfing on O'ahu. I got it the standard way, by kissing a beautiful girl - who mentioned that she felt like she was catching a cold. It seemed 'worth the risk', at the time...
And no, I was living just as healthy as I did long before and long after. The Mono was pretty extreme, as 'colds' go - but it was limited to a time when I had direct contact with someone infected.
Catholic Church believes in scientific truth. Some Scientists reject that God can suspend laws He made... Like scientific laws.... They reject miracles, such as Fatina, Virgin of Guadalupe miracles etc.
I believe God suspends laws. Virgin of Guadalupe, Fatima. Oh, The Resurrection
Every person almost gets sick once or twice a year. It might be ‘I’m a bit under the weather. I’m going to go to bed early tonight’ and it goes away. In BC we have 5 million people. Let’s say one sickness every two years but three other ‘under the weathers’ on average. So 10 million new sicknesses a year. However slight. That’s a lot of new diseases a year. But more so it’s 25-30,000 a day. Random number distribution would say it would not be evenly distributed throughout a year. We would see lots of day to day stuff. But we’d also see clumping. Which we then call ‘something is going around’. But it might be simply random distribution.
Why does "Not tonight, I have a headache" affect some husbands more than others?
That's not random distribution. That can be caused by a number of issues. BO? Adultress wife? Lousy Lover? This is a complex issue that requires a lot of study. It doesn't seem to be contagious....thank goodness.
And the number one answer is: Disparity in sex drives.
Right - my 18-year-old never got the Wuhan flu. Sinus? Yes - and much of that was either what was blooming or what they were spraying. Great immune system, thank God, and good habits (although he could use a bit more exercise).
They have a well functioning immune system. Could it be that easy? No leaky gut etc.
Maybe? If you note things happening in MANY cases, Autism and other things go with a leaky gut, something that I've observed as being a prominent issue with the older folks and many kids. Think their manipulation of formula for infants and then not giving good nutrition to older people are those influences? I breast fed our son for 2 years and he's very robust, thank God. When everyone else gets sick, he's usually the one making homemade chicken soup for them and tea. Also, I can honestly say that my older parents (80/86) didn't have many difficulties until they began eating out at fast food places - before they started that habit, were in VERY good health. I've been encouraging them to return more to eating closer to the vine and field and they are both doing better physically.
Absolutely. GMO, diet coke, glyphosate and many other things that are not actual food will ruin your gut, where 70% of your immune system resides. You don't want a leaky gut, leaky brain, leaky testies and other barriers of which there are many in your body.
Yes, forget Diet Coke. Plenty of fresh regular Coke, and especially Mexican Coke, is the best thing for you.
I know nothing about this topic and frankly don't have time.
Ii don't jump at new copnspiracy thepries... I don't disparage this one, but I tend to dismiss no virus statements.
So on quest why some don't get it...some acquire natural immunity. BUT some have badass immune system... Heard this only once. So they didn't acquire immunity.... They just piss on any diseases.. So no idea if true
I like reading about war. Close quarters fighting. Some guys cannot be killed
Maybe they have heighten immunity or are taking or doing something that blocked the spike protein. Maybe they have fewer Ace2 receptors so the virus can't bind to them. I got covid after my hairstylist coughed all over me. Though I oddly had avoided it a couple weeks prior when my family members had it. My homebound disabled neighbor got the virus somehow. I and another neighbor were the only people ever came into her home and she did not ever leave her home because she was physically unable to. So one of us had to have spread it to her.
And how did the neighbor do? Did they have the jabs?
The way it seems to spread in "waves," much like how they are turning on and off 5G is what makes me super suspicious? Also, what they are spraying in the atmosphere. WHEN in your childhood did you EVER see pink and orange skies other than at the sunrise or sunset place? It all looks too suspicious to me.
Either, 1) an undamaged immune system, (my mom never got sick and never went to a doctor, lol) or, 2) for a radically different take, speaking homeopathically, some people are actually too profoundly ill to "catch a cold or a flu," which is a natural detox on some level.
People who have had "disease processes" driven in very deeply, to the point of mental, emotional or spiritual "disease" are frequently surprisingly "well" physically.
It's actually a known phenomenon in medicine.
I’d still call that immunity. 80% of cases of wuflu were asymptomatic. A nurse might have had asymptomatic wuflu, developed immunity, and worked with the others with wuflu and never got reinfected because of immunity
So none of the others had immunity- not even one? We are talking about a few hundred other examples here.
We are also talking about this one person being considered the most "at risk" by all standard metrics. None of "immunity" explanations make any sense here.
BTW this is not a hypothetical example.
I agree - because it's like a cold - there IS no immunity, basically. There is only not getting as sick - and the best way is by having whatever it is and relying on your own immunological responses along with Ivermectin, HCQ and vitamins because if you do the jabs, that only gives you one aspect of the "virus" and it adapts and incorporates into your cells and makes you more vulnerable to not only that, but to whatever is in your body that could potentially take over and kill or weaken you.
Ever wonder why people used to live to 600 in the olden days?
"No Virus" is not a hypothesis. It is not a theory.
It is a REFUTATION of the Germ Hypothesis.
Dr. Kaufman says it best:
"We actually are not presenting a theory. Because a theory would purport to explain natural phenomena. What we are doing is refuting a theory. We haven't made a claim as to the cause of the disease. But there has been a claim made that there is a virus called SARS-CoV-2... and that [this virus causes] a specific disease.
What we are doing is refuting the evidence put forth to satisfy that claim, because it is extremely faulty and perhaps even fraudulent at some level."
-- Dr Andrew Kaufman, Testimony before the German Corona Committee 4 Feb 2022
https://odysee.com/@Corona-Investigative-Committee:5/Andrew-Kaufman-Stefan-Lanka-session-90-en:a
Indeed. The virus pushers love shifting the burden of proof onto anyone questioning them.
One of many problems with COVID theory is it seemed to be many diseases in one. What other disease affects twenty people in twenty different ways? Measles is measles. It isn’t mumps. Whooping cough is whooping cough. But COVID is whatever you want it to be.
There are other diseases that have different and diffuse symptoms in different people.
Not many. And it certainly isn’t my fault experience with seasonal colds.
Scratch ‘fault’
One man's or woman's meat is another man's or woman's poison. You can quote me on that. By the way, remember when they used to say sugar is bad for you. That's a joke. Seriously, since I gave up sugar, I've controlled 25% more territory and produced 26% more offspring.
Do you (or Kaufman, or ...) refute the claim that Moderna patented the 19-nucleobase strand that codes for the unique furin-cleavage site of the spike protein of both SARS-CoV-2 and the spike in the mRNA “vaccines” in 2013, and has been working on both the virus and the “vaccines” since 2015?
Do you (etc.) refute the claim that whether a death was caused by the “vaccine“ or the virus can be determined by staining tissue from a deceased body to detect the presence of SARS-CoV-2 spike protein and nucleocapsid protein, and if only spike protein and not nucleocapsid protein is detected it was the “vaccine“ and not you virus?
And, by the way, when is claiming an absence not a theory and when is it a theory? If I claimed there were holes in the road, would that be a theory in itself or a refutation of the theory that there is a road? Genuine question. I think what distinguishes what are commonly called theories and hypotheses is that they are conjunctions rather than disjunctions.
> Do you (or Kaufman, or ...)
I only speak for myself. If you want to know what someone else thinks, you'll have to ask them.
> refute the claim that Moderna patented the 19-nucleobase strand
Just because you see a budget line-item for "gain of function research" does not prove viruses exist. Just because you find a patent for a coronavirus or DNA strand, does not prove viruses exist
> that codes for the unique furin-cleavage site of the spike protein of both SARS-CoV-2
BS. SARS-CoV-2 has never been shown to exist. Therefore the "SARS-CoV-2 spike protein" is a fictional object.
> and the spike in the mRNA “vaccines”
I'm not sure that you understand how the "COVID Vaccines" claim to work.
The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are CLAIMED to be(*) mRNA viruses, which teach your cells how to manufacture the fictional "spike protein". The J+J and Astrazeneca "vaccines" are CLAIMED to be(*) adenovirus vector DNA vaccines, which again train your cells to manufacture the fictitious "spike protein". IN NEITHER CASE does anyone claim that these "vaccines" contain the fictitious "spike protein".
The only "vaccine" claimed to contain the fictitious "spike protein" is Novavax, which is claimed to be a "protein subunit" vaccine, also called a "dead virus" vaccine. However Novavax is not widely in use.
(* I don't believe it)
> Do you refute the claim that whether a death was caused by the “vaccine“ or the virus
There has never been any virus proven to EXIST. So I don't understand what you mean by "death was caused by the virus".
> when is claiming an absence not a theory
Refutation of Theory X to explain Phenomena Z is not a theory. It is a Refutation.
A theory purports to explain a natural phenomena. Sometimes I can prove "Theory X to explain Phenomena Z" is false, even if I don't know what the true cause of Phenomena Z is.
A theory explains something. They are refuting the explanation. They aren’t explaining the phenomena. They are merely saying ‘your idea doesn’t work for these reasons’.
In a large study in 1919, the US Army attempted to prove the contagion theory by injecting Spanish flu into healthy volunteers. The result was no one got sick. This was a far more extensive experiment than Igor's specious anecdotal conclusion that he got sick from merely being in the same room as someone who was already ill. Wasn't this dark authoritarian theory of contagion used to separate elderly people from their loved ones during the lockdowns? I think the "triggering mechanism" for the deaths of many of these elderly people was LONELINESS. A crime against humanity!
Precisely to what I referred - HOWEVER, we now know that there are THIRTY-SIX different (20 hepatic / serpentine, 15 conogastropodic / snail, and a type of starfish, German hedgehog, African bat so, at LEAST 38 then) VENINS incorporated into the synthetic 'novel' protein sequence that are EXCELLENT candidates for disease-state propagator.....
I'm not an expert on this, but perhaps it was only infectious through aerosol exposure, not injection.
And I'm supposed to shiver in my boots because they want me to be afraid of the big bad virus? F-ck them!
No, I didn't say that. Only that they may have tested with the wrong method of infection. There was an American cheese with the German sounding name of Leiderkrantz, which was originally created in 1891, as an American re-creation of Limburger cheese. I just found a source for its history which says that it was purchase by Borden in 1929, who owned it when I first remember eating it. A lot of this history I just discovered now on the Wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liederkranz_cheese
In 1981 a fire damaged the plant it was made at, and Borden sold it to another company who started producing it a few months later. This part I'm about to mention isn't in the Wikipedia article, but I remember at the time a news article about it. The new company mixed the culture into the batches when they tried to produce the cheese again, but it didn't come out right. They realized that it had to be cultured through airborne particles, so they smeared stock of the existing cheese on the walls of the factory, and that created the culture in the cheese they were producing. Back to Wikipedia-- However about four years later there was a bacterial contamination of some sort and they withdrew it from the market. The rights to the cheese and the cultures went through several ownerships, and I didn't realize till now that another company had started producing it again in 2010, after 25 years. Some doubted that the bacterial cultures would last that long, but apparently it worked. I used to like like the cheese--it wasn't as strong as Limburger and it had a unique flavor.
Isn't the traditional understanding of infection is that you end up inundated with a large viral load of pathogenic viruses? Even if we buy this theory of toxicity it does not appear that they tested the theory out with a large group of subjects and adequate controls. The so-called novel SAR-COV-2 virus was never linked to a myriad of sick people in the real world utilizing EM images. Anyway that's my impression. I would imagine to do so would jeopardize their entire theory and program. No the "pandemic" was 'certified" through the specious results of PCR tests that do not measure so-called infection.
That's what happened in the test subjects of mRNA in the past - when they came into contact with the stuff that had been injected into them, they died. They had no defense for anything that had mutated through the natural process.
I think they had no defense against the toxic poison mix that was injected to them.
There is no transmission from human to human as far as viruses go.
The priests in white robes can only make people sick with 'viruses' by injecting them with poison.
Go figure that..
The problem is the assumption of contagion. Back in the day widespread vitamin deficiencies were considered exemplars of contagion, until they weren't.
Pellagra (B3 niacin) is a prime example with its 4 D’s: Dermatitis, Diarrhea, Dementia, Death. Likewise on ships, scurvy afflicted all the sailors, with >50% dying on long voyages until the association was made between foods with vitamin C and the prevention of the deficiency disease.
Contagion remains a supposition until proved.
Yes.
"Until the discovery of pellagra's link with niacin, it was widely believed that the disease was an infection that could be transmitted from person to person."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19892133/ Handb Clin Neurol. 2010;95:445-76.
doi: 10.1016/S0072-9752(08)02130-1.
Chapter 30: historical aspects of the major neurological vitamin deficiency disorders: the water-soluble B vitamins. Douglas J Lanska
Absolutely. The pleiotropic role of vitamin D is well established.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4045445/
A central plank of the current phenomenon.
GOV funds the development, erases all liability and market risk (the latter by psy-ops and mandates), BigPharma scores utterly titanic profits, gratis, while politicians acquire the levers of control.
To use a cliché, 'what could possibly go wrong?'
A triumvirate of control: BigGOV, BigPharma, WEF.
Getting sick after being around someone else who was sick is not proof of contagion. Nice try!
OMG, there you are!!!!!!! I was trying to remember your name... So glad you're in this conversation! And glad you do what you do. You're one of my heroes. xo xo xo xo xo
Thank you :) xoxo
Thank YOU. ^_^
Woah. "Poisoning Christine ideation"?
That's sick man.
You sound like Steve Kirsch or Kevin McCairn.
Don't think that you can issue vague threats from behind a fake name.
If anything happens, we WILL get subpoenas and will expose your real identity.
Creep.
In other words, you have no science demonstrating contagion or any virus.
This is a death threat. We will be handling it as such.
The virus pushers are so indoctrinated, they will get offended if you question their beliefs.
For them is almost a religious pursuit, to punish the virus deniers..
I’m not sure if you have even listened to them closely. A lot of these folks don’t deny people label things they see as viruses. They are just of the opinion that these things are exosomes or cellular debris. They think it’s a different part of the disease progression and not the causative agent. It’s okay to disagree. It’s not okay to frame them as complete imbeciles.
>I’m not sure if you have even listened to them closely.
Are you speaking to me?
I'm sorry about your lack of clarity.
I have, BTW.
> A lot of these folks don’t deny people label things they see as viruses.
> They are just of the opinion that these things are exosomes or cellular debris.
You can point to a dot on an SEM photograph which seems to be a vesicle emitting from a cell, and say, "Look at that dot!!!!", and that's about all you can conclude.
But you cannot point to a dot on an SEM photograph and say, "that is a virus", without FIRST defining what you mean by the term "virus", i.e.,
a "replication-competent intra-cellular obligate parasite that causes cellular necrosis and symptomatic disease, which transmit between hosts via natural modes of exposure."
AND SECOND, proving that such things exist.
Yes, THE DOT on the PHOTO exists!
(So what? all SEM photography is a contrivance.)
However, saying that THE DOT is a "replication-competent intra-cellular obligate parasite that causes cellular necrosis and symptomatic disease, which transmits between hosts via natural modes of exposure" -- requires a lot of evidence which heretofore has not been entered into the record (the entire historical canon of peer-reviewed scientific papers published to date).
Beautifully put. I concu completely.
A medical friend of mine used to say histopathology is “glorified art criticism” :)
There’s something in that.
Artefacts are a HUGE problem in all microscopy.
The main skills a histopathologist acquires is
-what normal looks like
-how to recognise the many artefacts that can easily confuse us.
Thank you, Dr Mike! It's so wonderful to have you as an ally in this fight!
"Contagion is obvious" says the guy who wasn't killed by ebola, HIV-AIDS, SARS-1, MERS, SARS-COV-2, monkeypox, smallpox, marburg...
Lol. Like Rapporport said recently: You have a very short memory. How many "contagions" have raged across the planet, wiping out humanity? Zero. We always survive, I suspect, because disease isn't contagious. It can happen to a lot of people at the same time, but that does not prove it is spread from person to person....that must be demonstrated empirically, which it hasn't.
Well, there is BACTERIAL infection. That's a whole nuther thing, but it looks very similar, sometimes, to all this nonsensical "viral" bollocks...
Yeah, you're on it. Makes me wonder if Igor is just testing us, LOL.
Yes, I do not subscribe to the germ-terrain false dichotomy. It is a case of both/and. I just do not believe in nanoscale 'contagious, disease-causing viruses'. If one doesn't think bacterium can cause illness well I can grow a batch of salmonella for you to drink...
They’re not transmissible in the way we think as transmissible. Don’t eat the salmonella you won’t get sick. Like a cobra bite. The cobra transmitted the poison into you. But don’t be bitten you won’t get sick.
Didn't I just say that? LOL.
Well, I didn't say anything about giving you salmonella drinks, but.
I don't think it's as simple as a "false dichotomy." I think it's still THEORIES, and while I think the THEORY of viruses is a false one, a scheme, as in profit-making scheme, I do think the Terrain Theory makes FAAAAR more sense than the Germ Theory, which has been dead for some time. But it might depend on whether you consider bacteria to be "germs."
It was rhetorical. No offense intended!
Look into German new medicine. Answers a lot of the questions you might have beyond toxins and deficiencies. Truly the most game changing thing I’ve ever come across when it comes to health
Can you send some information on that.
https://t.me/GermanicHealing
Do you have another source- I can look around.
I don't do telegram.
https://northerntracey213875959.wordpress.com/2022/09/14/the-future-of-medicine/
You should make an effort and do Telegram. You do Substack, after all..
I did!
I do try to find alternatives to the germ theory. And GNM is pretty compelling.
A lot more believable than a flying bomb that infects people.
Here are some resource including virologist, Dr. Stefan Lanka who tells us why viruses do not exist. - https://justpaste.it/2vqa5
....and they are ENTIRELY correct; there ARE no such things as, 'contagions' - as 'viruses', AREN'T sentient, alive but rather, NEUTRAL organic MEDIA until such conditions as specific resonant values PIEZOELECTRICALLY alter their crystalline structures and associated fieldS to produce (for THEM) constructive entanglement / FACILITATING pathogenic relationships; germ theory was DESIGNED to manufacture an EXTERNAL threat, create a contrived NEED - while we now have COMPELLING evidence that MOST disease-states arise from biological poisonings, synthesized toxins ALIKE.....
Can you cite a scientific study demonstrating contagion? I've never seen one and contagion is not at all obvious to me.
I would be curious to see a math analysis of actual disease outbreaks every year. If I take 5000 black tiles and 5000 white tiles , shake them into a bag and then randomly spread them onto a 100 x 100 squared board they will not alternate. I will get clumps of white and clumps of
Black and some areas of alternation etc. I’m not certain contagion is at least in part random number distribution. ‘How do you explain so many of us all getting sick last June?’ ‘Because everyone cleanses once or twice a year. Random distribution says it should clump. In addition these cleanses tend to occur more to people during abrupt weather changes as the body attempts to acclimate. Add in groups of people tend to ingest the same toxins/garbage and you will appear to have contagion when in fact it’s weather and similar toxins.’
Many attempts have been made to demonstrate contagion and failed. Several are discussed here: End of Germ Theory:
https://rumble.com/v1ak9zn-the-end-of-germ-theory-by-spacebusters.html
There are none, all the instances of ““contagion” are actually epidemiological observations it has nothing to do with causation.
Susceptibility appears to be all there really is. But, and this matters a lot to me, epidemiologists follow "viral outbreaks" as they move across the globe every year.
Ditto past experiences like smallpox infected blankets being given to Native Americans.
And outbreaks generated by Western Scientists visiting villages in the Amazon resulting in total decimation of a tribe. Observation is the Scientific Method.
Contagion is real, IMO. I just think that "viruses" are not exactly what we think they are, and perhaps can be triggered and/or generated many different ways.
Nothing that epidemiologists do can prove that a virus or contagion exists.
Smallpox being spread via blankets is a story. Share the scientific evidence?
People dying after western "scientists" visit is not proof of a virus or contagion.
I'm not asking for your opinion, I'm asking for science.
And I am asking you to read first person accounts. Observation is the Scientific Method.
All beings are unique. Therefore their susceptibilities are also unique.
But just read the early explorers accounts of empty villages, after the initial contact visits. Everyone died.
And study the pattern of certain diseases spreading through history. We can follow them, historically.
There is a mountain of evidence, but those first hand accounts I studied back in the 1970s and 80s.
Sorry, but I cannot dig them out for you now. I also bred German Shepherd Dogs and Throughbred Horses and
saw diseases run through a barn or kennel.
Ditto kids and childhood diseases.
Contagion is obvious. I think the manner of transmission is perhaps the real question. As is susceptibility.
Scientific method involves controlled experiments, not simply observing people getting sick or finding dead people. Logic please, people can die from many things. Meanwhile no virus particle has even been shown to exist. We've been conditioned to believe in contagion our entire lives. Yet every attempt to demonstrate it scientifically has failed. Literally no one got sick, no matter what the researchers tried.
Several attempts are discussed here:
End of Germ Theory:
https://rumble.com/v1ak9zn-the-end-of-germ-theory-by-spacebusters.html
I agree about the need for actual science on some very fundamental questions. Like Reich's discovery of Bions, Orgone, DOR, etc., among others, and Sheldrake's Morphogentic Fields, Tesla's frequency and resonance, etc., ...Life, and Everything in the Universe starts getting VERY interesting!
What if a viral infection is actually a cellular detox triggered by certain electromagnetic frequencies, or waves of DOR?
Or a relationship to starlight, sunlight, and the general contraction in Nature during the winter?
I know I get "sick" when I'm toxic, or weakened. So there is that. Naturopth Chris Chlebowski just wrote "The Virus and the Host," and I find it a good starting place for many.
First we definitely need to look at the "ground" long before we study the "pathogen."
Then maybe we could try to understand the "bugs" a bit more scientifically?
Germ Theory has been a complete fraud since Pasteur fabricated it, and viral theory is an even more fraudulent derivation of that BS, as Stefan Lanka and others have revealed by their detailed critique of the viral "isolation" process of the fake science discipline called virology, including the routine (WTF!) use of animal (different species) tissue and cell toxins, cherry-picking, etc.
I suggest you have a read of "Béchamp or Pasteur? A Lost Chapter in the History of Biology" by Ethel Douglas Hume, first published in 1923, and most recently republished in 2006. You will probably be shocked by what you read!
http://mnwelldir.org/docs/history/biographies/Bechamp-or-Pasteur.pdf
Nature may dismiss this book, but that is mostly likely a propaganda "hatchet job", probably because this inconvenient historic evidence threatens many "medical" people's investment and careers, and threatens the existence of many "medical" corporation and their massive ongoing fraudulent revenue!
Germ Theory has been a complete fraud since Pasteur fabricated it, and viral theory is an even more fraudulent derivation of that BS, as Stefan Lanka and others have revealed by their detailed critique of the viral "isolation" process of the fake science discipline called virology, including the routine (WTF!) use of animal (different species) tissue and cell toxins, cherry-picking, etc.
Agreed, but don't let Pasteur off the hook for the virus par specifically. He invented that to satisfy a contract with the french government to create a medical pretext to stop british maritime traffic from passing the strait of gibraltar without starting a war. France did this in response to the slave-state great britain seizing the suez canal in violation of international law for their banker owners.
So pasteur owns this bogus pathogenic virus particle theory.
I suggest you have a read of "Béchamp or Pasteur? A Lost Chapter in the History of Biology" by Ethel Douglas Hume, first published in 1923, and most recently republished in 2006. You will probably be shocked by what you read! http://mnwelldir.org/docs/history/biographies/Bechamp-or-Pasteur.pdf
I won't be shocked because I saw it in 2006. If you want to see the best collection of all of this information look at a site called "whale.to".
Nature may dismiss this book, but that is mostly likely a propaganda "hatchet job", probably because this inconvenient historic evidence threatens many "medical" people's investment and careers, and threatens the existence of many "medical" corporation and their massive ongoing fraudulent revenue!
Yes, it's all about the power. The bankers or whoever owns their asses want to make everybody more dependent on them. Their cull was planned certainly since before 1981 when they carved it in stone in the state of Georgia in 12 languages 4 of which are no longer spoken by human beings as their firts language.
The reason they want/needto cull us is the same reason all aggressive and passive beings do most things: Fear.
They have the technology that brought down the twin towers in seconds turning "solid" matter into fine powder faster than gravity could bring the top of the building to EArth.
But they live in fear that others will also have it and then they'll have competition.
That old piece of shit John D. Rockefeller said it: "competition is a sin".
so they figure their best shot at maintaining the exclusivity on this liberating technology which could take us several levels into the future requires killing most of us and maintaining us in an orwellian police state.
What I've learned here (for the n-th time) Is that even people like Igor are totally fooling themselves.
They think that they see a definition of science and the scientific method, and that they agree with us (I expect you and I would see eye to eye on it)
In fact Igor doesn't agree with us though he believes he does. Igor has a religion known as pseudo science and he believes that he is scientific because he can organize people to move large machines down the highway without killing innocent women and children or damaging material.
But his science ends there. He hasn't carried it to biology.
When it comes to biology Igor is neck deep in pseudo-science but still thinks he's a scientist.
And we won't likely be able to pull him out of his self-delusional world any more than I could help Heidi the psychopath (no offense Heidi, it's just the truth) to see that she too is a pseudo scientist.
The difference between Heidi and Igor is that Heidi is upfront in her delusions, Igor hides his from himself.
The concept of external causes for disease does two things; first it makes peoples choices about things like adequate exercise and a healthy diet irrelevant and secondly it greatly enriches the medical industrial complex.
more important than that to the psychopaths is that it makes the people dependent.
This "cull" stuff has been going on since at least WWII, and likely before that. Eugenics is not a new thing, as I'm sure you know. Cheers, good comment.
Max Igan has dug up a lot of information of past culls that nobody else I know of has found. Search for the "mud flood". Apparently culls have been a regular feature of life on Earth. This is the solution found by the people who are working on suppressing paper money.
We all need to throw out our smartphones before it's too late. I have an idea to go around this. Commission a small indian firm to make an open source device with a gsm port, a wifi port an ethernet port and enough memory to permit opensource software scripts. Create non-profit organizations locally to own and bear the name on the contracts with the telecoms. The devices need to be able to detect each other. Every time you cross somebody in the supermarket you change devices with them. Or perhaps the devices could just randomly change their mac address. But I think it would be better to use both of those solutions. One would connect one's smart phone to this device's wifi, perhaps best to pass that interface through a VPN. It would be necessary to root the smart phone to be able to turn off the gsm interface because the psychopaths have a database of everybody's smart phone's mac address. Many smart phones one would likely need to physically damage the gsm interface.
In this way we could keep our smartphones and make it very much more difficult for them to track us. Also the non-profits would furnish a very useful aid to creating local currencies. The groups formed this way could collaborate with the groups in neighboring areas, or there could be multiple groups in the same geographical areas in densely populated places.
We must NEVER dismiss the self-enrichment factor, nor the ego-stroking factor...
I agree with what you're saying.
I don't think it's that "they don't exist." It's more like: they are created in ways we do not fully understand, and can be "transmitted" in more ways than getting sneezed upon!
Perhaps they really are "exosomes." And perhaps they are part of a natural detox process.
Maybe they can even be "triggered" by electricity as well as caught through contagion. Read "Invisible Rainbow" by Arthur Furstenberg
What I'm saying is that after listening to a WIDE range of experts over the past nearly three years, I have little faith in the idea that viruses are sneaky little agents of harm that lurk everywhere and jump up your nose and into your mouth and make you sick. I just don't see the PROOF.
Exosomes makes far more sense, as in, they are like trash collectors, who take out cells that are poisoned or dead or damaged, they are helpers, not bringers of harm. They come FROM our bodies, not from outside them. That has been explained in various ways over and over and over by people who should know, and it's LOGICAL, and therefore I agree with that, not as some sort of iron-clad MUST BE thing, b