Listen to Dr. Mike Yeadon among others. He was open minded enough to dive into this rabbit hole and honest enough to recognize and speak about the underlying problems with standard viral theories.
So while yes, viruses as currently described in standard texts do nicely explain our lived experiences, there is still an underlying flaw, a pretty big one, in viral science.
It is possible that they are a bit different than we think, and that they can be transmitted or "triggered" by other mechanisms than direct contact, and that our cells, under certain circumstances, can actually produce what we call "viruses" themselves.
I think we need to consider Rupert Sheldrake, Nikola Tesla, and Wilhelm Reich in all our studies of Biology.
We perhaps don't understand everything in Nature as well as we assume we do!
The problem I have with the "viruses don't exist" hypothesis is that they (Cowan, etc.) say that there is no such thing as contagion & that diseases are caused by toxins or nutritional deficiencies. As Igor pointed out, most of us have experiences of getting sick from others. Contagion is obvious, maybe viruses don't cause illness, but something does.
How do you explain that someone can be around people who are constantly sick from a purported virus, in direct contact with them for extended periods on a daily basis over the course of two years no less, and that person never gets sick.
So how is that the virus is able to impact every single one of these people, repeatedly in fact, except this one person. We are also talking about the most deadly, transmissible and long-lasting virus in human history.
This has been going on for two and a half years.
Does this one person have superpowers or some insane immune system or is it blind luck?
The quadrivalent "flu" vaccine was rolled out in 2019.
I believe that is an avenue worth exploring.
However the reality is that there would have been no excess deaths whatsoever in March/April 2020 had it not been for policy changes in nursing homes and hospitals that directly caused that spike in deaths.
Vaccines ABSOLUTELY weaken the immune system! And they are full of toxins. When you are walking around with a huge body burden of mercury, aluminum, and other "nasties" your immune system is definitely depressed.
But to see the results in children of immune system harms from vaccination, look at Dr. James Lyons Weiler's peer reviewed study of Dr. Paul Thomas's pediatric practice, or the Guinea-Bissau study showing little girls that are vaccinated dying at much higher rates than the unvaccinated, or The Control Group Litigation's Survey of Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed.
Everywhere you look the unvaccinated are vastly healthier.
And the Lazarus study of Harvard Pilgrim Health Care showed less than 1% of vaccine adverse events make it into VAERS.
We are killing ourselves and our children with this practice which has never been proven either safe or effective!
My kids are the only people I know that have not had Covid. They are not vaccinated with anything, except my son until he was 4 months old (and his reaction to vaccines woke me up). I do think that their untouched immune systems help them repel a lot of viruses that make others sick. I also tried to infect them with chicken pox when they were young (an MD couple I knew invited me over so that my kids could catch it from their very spotty kids). Nothing.
I concur. My dad lived to 99 was sharp. NEVER took any vacc's. Ever that I know of. Ate pretty healthy, but not all that concerned. Mom, on the other hand, died at 83, ate SUPER healthy, gardened all the time, but DID get some flu shots, how many, I'm guessing at least ten in her life.
She suffered "hot flashes" all her post menapausal life, and got breast cancer, and had some pituitary gland growth issue as well. Poor lady. I'm now beginning to be not so puzzled by this. I'm of the mind to agree with many docs and nurses who "know" that the vacc. campaign to stick every person multiple times, is just a means to make people sick and prone to their "care" while bilking the ins. co.s at the same time.
ABSOLUTELY! Vaccines destroy the immune system. Tons of evidence.
Exploding autoimmunity in the children as vaccine schedules ballooned from 5 to 72 . Exploding cancer rates in the vaccinated.
Read Dr. Sherrie Tenpenny. Go to the High Wire and ICAN. Read Children's Health Defense's "Vaccines, Gateway Drugs by Design?" Read Dr. James Lyons Weiler's Study of Dr. Paul Thomas's pediatric practice----conclusion, "The unvaccinated simply do not get sick!" Finally, spend a little time with the Control Group Litigation's Survey Study. You will never be blind to the truth of vaccines ever again.
YES. Absolutely. VACCINES are made by mad scientists. Just look at the ingredients to some and ask yourself...WHERE DID THEY COME UP WITH THEM FROM? A seer? A card reader? An LSD trip? A dream? The "holy spirit"? The DEVIL? Why are OBVIOUS toxins in them? Isn't PEG a TOXIN? Isn't mercury a TOXIN? The questions that arise in my questioning mind are endless.
Your grandmother has what is sorely lacking in the population today...common sense and a belief in her own health and apparently a skepticism in western medicine. She's living proof of the validity of keeping the balance of body, mind and spirit. God bless her.
Believe it or not many people have a mucosal resistance and the virus never has a chance to replicate. Stopped at the front door. That immunity varies by individual. See UK Challenge Study (https://doi.org/10.1038/s41591-022-01780-9).
I try to avoid respiratory infections via mouth/nose sanitation like was done eons ago. I use a dilute Betadine solution other do fine with simple salt. So very odd our masters of public health can't be bothered to do a PSA. Doctors, some of them, say it works.
I recently discovered this nasal spray...and have been really impressed. I usually struggle with fall allergies, but have been completely fine since I started using this daily. It is a saline spray with xylitol and grapefruit seed oil...my understanding is that it coats the mucosal lining preventing allergens (as well as bacteria and viruses) from causing an issue. I can’t remember where I read that they used it it in the placebo arm of some of the trials for covid and discovered it’s got some efficacy against viral infections...anyway, thought I’d share, I’ve been really impressed.
SARS-Cov-2 is transmissible, but no more dangerous than influenza for 95% + of the population. Kids don't even know they have had it and they have built immunity! Our friends and family died from endless fear porn, dropping immune system function, house arrest in toxic cities, missing standard medical check ups and all human healthy activities, isolation, lack of vitamin D, toxic flu shots, cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and influenza, all aggravated to lethal levels by medical nihilism, with the final death blow delivered by Remdesivir and a Ventilator. The last two will kill anyone who is not as strong as a bull elephant, but is guaranteed lethal for a SARS-Cov-2 patient. Pull up "Hello My name is Spartacus, and I have had Enough," using DuckDuckGo as your search engine.
This stellar piece has been vetted by the FLCCC and looks to be completely accurate by all my understandings.
These hospital protocols were the equivalent of the Nazi Trains to the Death Camps for our elderly and frail, and for African Americans, who have chronically low levels of vitamin D, high levels of diabetes, obesity, and other "co-morbidities" for "Covid."
Really hear Dr. Mike Yeadon and Dr. Lee Merritt out. We didn't even need a new, dangerous respiratory virus for the deaths in hospital we experienced. American's underlying ill health plus the "Protocols" were all that was genuinely required.
Now the killer quackzine is dropping the young and healthy, and wreaking havoc worldwide as every nation that forced this experiment on their people are witnessing "unexplained" excess death rates, frequently much higher than those during the "pandemic!" Where this is going no one but the "Perps" really knows, yet universities and medical establishments all over the United States are still forcing them on the young and healthy, with immunity, no less! This is completely criminal and lethal behavior.
Yes they are - how do we stop it? Even De Santis signed something that has embedded in it that they can inject (without permission) a person if there is declared an emergency and it is in the best interest of the state.
"SARS-Cov-2 is transmissible, but no more dangerous than influenza for 95% + of the population."
That sounds like it's straight out of a newspaper article... How exactly do you know this? Everything else I've been seeing you say makes sense, except that. SARS COVII is a Bio-weapon, it's patented! Why/how would/could anyone patent something that a) is already a threat, even if it's not very dangerous, and b) they have clearly tampered with, or why would it be PATENTED at all?
Okay, you want to keep believing in evil, invisible attackers from Hell that fly up your nose, but not when you're SITTING DOWN in a restaurant, that's okay, but ... naw. I think you're smarter than that.
I think so - that's why I introduced the idea of 5G and whatever they are spraying in the environment. MOST of the 5G was deployed after people were sent home the last 2 years. They also stepped up the spraying. I recently read that MOST of the problems are happening in the west because of what they are spraying that dries up water, delays rain, etc. I have seen it happening around us and we've had the hottest, least rainy year that I remember in the 14 that we've lived in our coastal MS home. To me, there is no other explanation. Also, around the time they were spraying here, most of my family living in other states got sick, too. I had the "virus" twice (undiagnosed but all symptoms) but got it again in August - no doubt - same time everyone else came out with it, too. I don't know, I'm not a scientist - but I can think and see what's happening with our environment and it's not good. That people are allowing it all is what astounds me. Again, I knew something was wrong when they made a new "environmental division" to Wall Street right after sending everyone home. THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO MESS WITH OUR ENVIRONMENT - but BIDEN has signed that they may. The Usurper and his administration has said that climate experiments may be allowed.
I think you're definitely in the ballpark... There a lot that we don't "KNOW," but there's also a lot of clear evidence of fuckery that anyone could put together and come up with a theory... And so there are theories, some that seem more reasonable than others, but the more facts we have, the more some of these theories seem sound. Something like a new "environmental division" to Wall Street sure sounds *interesting* to me...
And I absolutely agree: These arrogant people, doing things they HAVE NO RIGHT to do, like messing with the environment... They should be in prison, in my view. But as long as people a) can't figure out what's going on, b) can't believe it when it becomes CLEAR what's going on, and c) can't get themselves in gear to DO something about what's going on when it's shown to be going on, tells me that there is a large percentage of the population that just WON'T LIFE A FINGER to do anything about much of anything until it threatens their life, their stuff, or their kids...
We're still seeing people getting jabs for their kids, so... The tide is turning, but it's a Slow Fricken Turn.
Some people have fewer Ace2 receptors than others and this virus enters the body via Ace2. Certain races have more of these receptors so your ancestry has some influence on this. Certain things block the virus which was not highly publicized, but things like nicotine or taking high blood pressure medicine (Ace2 inhibitors) were actually protective. What really bothered me was I was taking elderberry weekly as a preventative for flu and yet that did not block the new covid virus from getting me down in Dec 2019 before it was known in the US. I later tested positive for antibodies is how I know I had it, plus also the fact that I had Covid Toes and endothelial damage.
How is a 'virus' able to infect same person multiple times (when it supposedly got immunity after the first infection), but another person cannot infect even once?
You are trying to prove your case by using hypotheticals, which is impossible to refute (or prove). Observation suggests that there are many different factors influencing whether a person gets sick or not. The presence of an agent of contagion (perhaps a "virus" or some bacteria) does seem to be a factor.
It is not possible to avoid the pool of toxic sludge that we all live in. So your argument is irrelevant.
You call it that, but not as a result of science. You call it "immunity" because it fits your narrative. Don't be afraid to QUESTION, even your OWN narrative. THAT is science.
300 colds in your lifetime . Why no increased immunity to them . In fact they older you get the worse they get. in most cases a cold / flu takes you out in the end
Because colds and flus are inflammation (because of differences in temperatures, etc) and/or detox processes (because of toxins that built up in the organism).
The more toxins you get, the more severe the detox process it is.
Plus, it seems really weird that a family doctor sees more reality in an invisible virus than in a measurable toxic substance that could be affecting a patient. Low dose toxic poisoning is essentially poopooed; only lethal poisoning seems to get anyone's attention. One has to go outside conventional medicine for the miracles rendered through detox programs.
I recently listened to a Dr. Lee Merritt presentation about the 1918 "Spanish flu" and it was fascinating: That illness might have been blown out of proportion over time for pharma propaganda purposes. And two things might have been making people ill in that general era -- reactions to faulty inoculations given to soldiers during world War I and the proliferation of new electrical/telegraph lines which were only later made to better direct the flow of energy in as safe a manner as possible. That is, EMF illness may have been in the mix of human illnesses as technology was initiated and the human organism struggled to adapt. Information like this indicates that the story of human illness and human ability to adapt may be more interesting, fascinating, complex and mind-blowing than the rut in the science road repeated with the singular virus/contagion/immunity/vaccination mantra ENFORCED on society for decades. I think Science should operate a Big Tent and any system which tries to limit Science to a single paradigm should be questioned vigorously and loudly.
At 72 my worst cold was my first semester living on a college campus when I was 21. Not many since then. The flu? Rare, and often wonder if at times what I thought was the flu was some form of food poisoning. The last time I had an undisputed flu was about 12 years ago when a housemate decided to get a flu vax, got sick immediately, and made the rest of us in the house all sick with it, too. I'd call that an experience of "shedding" for sure.
It hasn't been my experience that growing older equates with increased illness. So, I don't think an older person is a sicker and sicker person.
Shoulda been "DE-toxin." ^_^ Those poor exosomes really got a bad rap! But what's clearly a HUGE CLUE is that exosomes are created BY THE BODY, they are the detoxers, not the CAUSE... Well, there it is. And so easy to pull the wool over everyone's eyes...
I like the word "exosome" because now "virus" has been utterly spoiled, after all these years of bs.
What's also interesting is how so many people study virology and somehow MISS the connection, MISS the nonsensical "virus theory" that is utterly bizarre... But then, look how many people think these masks are efficacious without ANYTHING to back that up. The FEAR that comes into people's eyes when I tell them masks don't work... And they get very condescending about me saying this... Oh, the human psychology is all about being RIGHT, because Oh, My Dog, if I'm wrong, maybe I'm wrong about a LOT of things... Now I have to go actually STUDY something!!!!!!!! ;)
Indeed. The argumentation offered for contagion is unfalsifiable. If someone nearby gets sick, it's taken as proof of contagion. If somene nearby doesn't get sick, it's explained as contagion plus immunity. Thie pattern is a sign of a pseudoscience, where the number of postulated entities rises as fast as the number of phenomena.
i find utterly disgusting that there exists a paper on the 2018 spanish flu
which fauchi co authored
and in it they all concluded that majority of deaths werent flu but actually bacterial pnuemonia - and theory is that extended mask wearing was the culprit
I read that study a couple of years ago when it was first drawn to my attention. While it did conclude that many deaths were from bacterial pneumonia, I could find no mention of the pneumonia being related to mask wearing. It also did not conclude that the bacterial pneumonia was not a direct result of the flu.
This almost doesn't matter - I don't think the study matters all that much wrt either figuring out what happened with covid, nor with figuring out Tony Fauci's general character - there is plenty of other evidence for both arguments. Nevertheless - this is a (common) mischaracterization of that particular piece of evidence.
It's worth remembering that studies we have show no significant effect on respiratory diseases from mask wearing. If we are happy to accept those studies as proof that the requirement for masks is/was nonsense, we probably also should accept that they don't seem to cause a statistically significant increase in either infection or severity of respiratory disease either.
One of the things I find fascinating here is how it is accepted at face value (even as that narrative is fundamental to entities that intend harm and profit from that harm) that there is this one "thing", this virus, that is causing disease and death.
Yet these same people who make this claim when confronted with the "healthy person amidst the sick" go into an array of intricate descriptions as to how that person remained healthy.
The example I gave is not a theoretical one. It is a verifiable first hand account.
Another first-hand account is my own. From about 2015 to 2022, I never got sick despite trying. We have two kids. Whenever they were sick, I would increase my usual role of "Daddy vacuum cleaner" and eat up the leftover food on their plates, drink up their water glasses, take my own temperature straight after taking theirs, etc.
In early 2022, I felt terrible for a few days and stayed in bed. I don't know why for sure but attribute it to the complicated, year-long process of emigrating finally being mostly done, so I could relax and heal -- meaning perhaps detox -- from the stress of it.
some theorize the flu (or the condition associated with its symptoms) is a normal bodily function initiated when too much toxins accumulate within the body's cells from day to day life.
this would also explain why the symptoms follow a pattern with everyone. because the body follows a detox pattern of operation. and its the same for everyone almost
Wrong... Good health can also be explained by lack of irritant/agent as well as immunity; you're making the dialogue up as you go, to fit your own biases. What you call pseudoscience uses much better logic and evidence than anything your or your germ-rejecting friends have yet provided.
I had pointed out that, when someone else in a family gets sick, it's "explained" as -- really, just called -- contagion. When someone else in the same family doesn't get sick, it's "explained" as immunity (to explain why the alleged contagion didn't happen despite the same exposure). All bases are covered, which is characteristic of a pseudoscience.
Your post just repeats that base-covering argument. Calling it "better logic" just makes me wonder even more how sound the logic of virology is.
Yes, never mind the fact that any time this has been scientifically scrutinized rather than simply anecdote as Dr John has provided, findings have come up bupkis (Rosenau for example and many more). Contagion exists in the narratives we create, certainly not the scientific literature
Which just happens to make virology utterly non falsifiable on the contagion front. Lucky that. As long as they can find the virus in human hosts though....oh wait.
I see you ran away. At least you're smart enough to know when you've been whipped. If you can progress to not saying stupid things with arrogant assurance you'll be doing even better.
I know I'm about to be pooh-poohed for saying this bc metaphysics has no place in a proper scientific debate, but I say more's the pity. In order for one to maintain proper health, there must be a balance of body, mind and yes, spirit. You must believe in the integrity of your God-given body as well as a trust in a benevolent Universe, that would like nothing more than for you to thrive and become a contributing individual. Therefore you are not at the mercy of all bacteria or viruses that science discovers or puts a name to! We trust too entirely in the manmade, allopathic medical system and given that Rockefeller money funded it and brutally shut down all other schools of medicine, it needs to stop. I am in my 40s and can count on one hand how many times I've been sick enough to stay home from work. Was it bc of a flu virus? Maybe, but the real reason for sickness was more likely an emotional or mental unbalance that resulted in the flu! Stress is always involved. But the sickness is merely a warning to get to the root of the problem. Return to balance and the illness will go away without vaccines or pharmaceuticals.
The Flu will go away, as your body repels it. Yes - boost your immune system, and do your best to stay strong...but every so often you're going to get sick... And there's really nothing in the allopathic pharma or vaccine world that actually works to prevent or treat the flu. Perhaps Ivermectin works on it - studies should be done. But much of the FLCCC and related protocols is things like vitamin D and Zinc + quercetin, NACL etc..
People have been getting the flu for a long time... Much longer than the admittedly pernicious Rockefeller influence has been around.
Yes, sickness predates the Rockefellers, for sure, but the reasons for it will always be an imbalance in the over all individual. Yes, of course people die of diseases, but it only mirrors the individual's unwillingness to correct the emotional, mental and even the physical reason, ie: smoking, junk food, lack of exercise etc.
When I got Mononucleosis, I was doing great, living and surfing on O'ahu. I got it the standard way, by kissing a beautiful girl - who mentioned that she felt like she was catching a cold. It seemed 'worth the risk', at the time...
And no, I was living just as healthy as I did long before and long after. The Mono was pretty extreme, as 'colds' go - but it was limited to a time when I had direct contact with someone infected.
Catholic Church believes in scientific truth. Some Scientists reject that God can suspend laws He made... Like scientific laws.... They reject miracles, such as Fatina, Virgin of Guadalupe miracles etc.
You can't flip that around because not everyone is susceptible to whatever. For instance, if everyone eats from a buffet and 80% end up with the symptoms of food poisoning, you would conclude that the food must be contaminated even if 20% did not get food poisoning but ate the same food as everyone else ie. they didn't avoid the mayo, for instance. T
Howeve,r to the point brought up by Dr. John, if an outside person didn't know food could be contaminated, a situation such as the above could look as if there is a contagion spreading from person to person rather than from the food.
Food poisoning is usually caused by bacteria, unless it is some toxin like poisonous mushrooms, so that would still not be an acceptable analogy for those who believe there is no such thing as bacterial illness.
Every person almost gets sick once or twice a year. It might be ‘I’m a bit under the weather. I’m going to go to bed early tonight’ and it goes away. In BC we have 5 million people. Let’s say one sickness every two years but three other ‘under the weathers’ on average. So 10 million new sicknesses a year. However slight. That’s a lot of new diseases a year. But more so it’s 25-30,000 a day. Random number distribution would say it would not be evenly distributed throughout a year. We would see lots of day to day stuff. But we’d also see clumping. Which we then call ‘something is going around’. But it might be simply random distribution.
That's not random distribution. That can be caused by a number of issues. BO? Adultress wife? Lousy Lover? This is a complex issue that requires a lot of study. It doesn't seem to be contagious....thank goodness.
Right - my 18-year-old never got the Wuhan flu. Sinus? Yes - and much of that was either what was blooming or what they were spraying. Great immune system, thank God, and good habits (although he could use a bit more exercise).
Maybe? If you note things happening in MANY cases, Autism and other things go with a leaky gut, something that I've observed as being a prominent issue with the older folks and many kids. Think their manipulation of formula for infants and then not giving good nutrition to older people are those influences? I breast fed our son for 2 years and he's very robust, thank God. When everyone else gets sick, he's usually the one making homemade chicken soup for them and tea. Also, I can honestly say that my older parents (80/86) didn't have many difficulties until they began eating out at fast food places - before they started that habit, were in VERY good health. I've been encouraging them to return more to eating closer to the vine and field and they are both doing better physically.
Absolutely. GMO, diet coke, glyphosate and many other things that are not actual food will ruin your gut, where 70% of your immune system resides. You don't want a leaky gut, leaky brain, leaky testies and other barriers of which there are many in your body.
I know nothing about this topic and frankly don't have time.
Ii don't jump at new copnspiracy thepries... I don't disparage this one, but I tend to dismiss no virus statements.
So on quest why some don't get it...some acquire natural immunity. BUT some have badass immune system... Heard this only once. So they didn't acquire immunity.... They just piss on any diseases.. So no idea if true
I like reading about war. Close quarters fighting. Some guys cannot be killed
Maybe they have heighten immunity or are taking or doing something that blocked the spike protein. Maybe they have fewer Ace2 receptors so the virus can't bind to them. I got covid after my hairstylist coughed all over me. Though I oddly had avoided it a couple weeks prior when my family members had it. My homebound disabled neighbor got the virus somehow. I and another neighbor were the only people ever came into her home and she did not ever leave her home because she was physically unable to. So one of us had to have spread it to her.
And how did the neighbor do? Did they have the jabs?
The way it seems to spread in "waves," much like how they are turning on and off 5G is what makes me super suspicious? Also, what they are spraying in the atmosphere. WHEN in your childhood did you EVER see pink and orange skies other than at the sunrise or sunset place? It all looks too suspicious to me.
Either, 1) an undamaged immune system, (my mom never got sick and never went to a doctor, lol) or, 2) for a radically different take, speaking homeopathically, some people are actually too profoundly ill to "catch a cold or a flu," which is a natural detox on some level.
People who have had "disease processes" driven in very deeply, to the point of mental, emotional or spiritual "disease" are frequently surprisingly "well" physically.
I’d still call that immunity. 80% of cases of wuflu were asymptomatic. A nurse might have had asymptomatic wuflu, developed immunity, and worked with the others with wuflu and never got reinfected because of immunity
So none of the others had immunity- not even one? We are talking about a few hundred other examples here.
We are also talking about this one person being considered the most "at risk" by all standard metrics. None of "immunity" explanations make any sense here.
I agree - because it's like a cold - there IS no immunity, basically. There is only not getting as sick - and the best way is by having whatever it is and relying on your own immunological responses along with Ivermectin, HCQ and vitamins because if you do the jabs, that only gives you one aspect of the "virus" and it adapts and incorporates into your cells and makes you more vulnerable to not only that, but to whatever is in your body that could potentially take over and kill or weaken you.
Ever wonder why people used to live to 600 in the olden days?
"No Virus" is not a hypothesis. It is not a theory.
It is a REFUTATION of the Germ Hypothesis.
Dr. Kaufman says it best:
"We actually are not presenting a theory. Because a theory would purport to explain natural phenomena. What we are doing is refuting a theory. We haven't made a claim as to the cause of the disease. But there has been a claim made that there is a virus called SARS-CoV-2... and that [this virus causes] a specific disease.
What we are doing is refuting the evidence put forth to satisfy that claim, because it is extremely faulty and perhaps even fraudulent at some level."
-- Dr Andrew Kaufman, Testimony before the German Corona Committee 4 Feb 2022
One of many problems with COVID theory is it seemed to be many diseases in one. What other disease affects twenty people in twenty different ways? Measles is measles. It isn’t mumps. Whooping cough is whooping cough. But COVID is whatever you want it to be.
One man's or woman's meat is another man's or woman's poison. You can quote me on that. By the way, remember when they used to say sugar is bad for you. That's a joke. Seriously, since I gave up sugar, I've controlled 25% more territory and produced 26% more offspring.
Do you (or Kaufman, or ...) refute the claim that Moderna patented the 19-nucleobase strand that codes for the unique furin-cleavage site of the spike protein of both SARS-CoV-2 and the spike in the mRNA “vaccines” in 2013, and has been working on both the virus and the “vaccines” since 2015?
Do you (etc.) refute the claim that whether a death was caused by the “vaccine“ or the virus can be determined by staining tissue from a deceased body to detect the presence of SARS-CoV-2 spike protein and nucleocapsid protein, and if only spike protein and not nucleocapsid protein is detected it was the “vaccine“ and not you virus?
And, by the way, when is claiming an absence not a theory and when is it a theory? If I claimed there were holes in the road, would that be a theory in itself or a refutation of the theory that there is a road? Genuine question. I think what distinguishes what are commonly called theories and hypotheses is that they are conjunctions rather than disjunctions.
I only speak for myself. If you want to know what someone else thinks, you'll have to ask them.
> refute the claim that Moderna patented the 19-nucleobase strand
Just because you see a budget line-item for "gain of function research" does not prove viruses exist. Just because you find a patent for a coronavirus or DNA strand, does not prove viruses exist
> that codes for the unique furin-cleavage site of the spike protein of both SARS-CoV-2
BS. SARS-CoV-2 has never been shown to exist. Therefore the "SARS-CoV-2 spike protein" is a fictional object.
> and the spike in the mRNA “vaccines”
I'm not sure that you understand how the "COVID Vaccines" claim to work.
The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are CLAIMED to be(*) mRNA viruses, which teach your cells how to manufacture the fictional "spike protein". The J+J and Astrazeneca "vaccines" are CLAIMED to be(*) adenovirus vector DNA vaccines, which again train your cells to manufacture the fictitious "spike protein". IN NEITHER CASE does anyone claim that these "vaccines" contain the fictitious "spike protein".
The only "vaccine" claimed to contain the fictitious "spike protein" is Novavax, which is claimed to be a "protein subunit" vaccine, also called a "dead virus" vaccine. However Novavax is not widely in use.
(* I don't believe it)
> Do you refute the claim that whether a death was caused by the “vaccine“ or the virus
There has never been any virus proven to EXIST. So I don't understand what you mean by "death was caused by the virus".
> when is claiming an absence not a theory
Refutation of Theory X to explain Phenomena Z is not a theory. It is a Refutation.
A theory purports to explain a natural phenomena. Sometimes I can prove "Theory X to explain Phenomena Z" is false, even if I don't know what the true cause of Phenomena Z is.
A theory explains something. They are refuting the explanation. They aren’t explaining the phenomena. They are merely saying ‘your idea doesn’t work for these reasons’.
In a large study in 1919, the US Army attempted to prove the contagion theory by injecting Spanish flu into healthy volunteers. The result was no one got sick. This was a far more extensive experiment than Igor's specious anecdotal conclusion that he got sick from merely being in the same room as someone who was already ill. Wasn't this dark authoritarian theory of contagion used to separate elderly people from their loved ones during the lockdowns? I think the "triggering mechanism" for the deaths of many of these elderly people was LONELINESS. A crime against humanity!
Precisely to what I referred - HOWEVER, we now know that there are THIRTY-SIX different (20 hepatic / serpentine, 15 conogastropodic / snail, and a type of starfish, German hedgehog, African bat so, at LEAST 38 then) VENINS incorporated into the synthetic 'novel' protein sequence that are EXCELLENT candidates for disease-state propagator.....
No, I didn't say that. Only that they may have tested with the wrong method of infection. There was an American cheese with the German sounding name of Leiderkrantz, which was originally created in 1891, as an American re-creation of Limburger cheese. I just found a source for its history which says that it was purchase by Borden in 1929, who owned it when I first remember eating it. A lot of this history I just discovered now on the Wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liederkranz_cheese
In 1981 a fire damaged the plant it was made at, and Borden sold it to another company who started producing it a few months later. This part I'm about to mention isn't in the Wikipedia article, but I remember at the time a news article about it. The new company mixed the culture into the batches when they tried to produce the cheese again, but it didn't come out right. They realized that it had to be cultured through airborne particles, so they smeared stock of the existing cheese on the walls of the factory, and that created the culture in the cheese they were producing. Back to Wikipedia-- However about four years later there was a bacterial contamination of some sort and they withdrew it from the market. The rights to the cheese and the cultures went through several ownerships, and I didn't realize till now that another company had started producing it again in 2010, after 25 years. Some doubted that the bacterial cultures would last that long, but apparently it worked. I used to like like the cheese--it wasn't as strong as Limburger and it had a unique flavor.
Isn't the traditional understanding of infection is that you end up inundated with a large viral load of pathogenic viruses? Even if we buy this theory of toxicity it does not appear that they tested the theory out with a large group of subjects and adequate controls. The so-called novel SAR-COV-2 virus was never linked to a myriad of sick people in the real world utilizing EM images. Anyway that's my impression. I would imagine to do so would jeopardize their entire theory and program. No the "pandemic" was 'certified" through the specious results of PCR tests that do not measure so-called infection.
That's what happened in the test subjects of mRNA in the past - when they came into contact with the stuff that had been injected into them, they died. They had no defense for anything that had mutated through the natural process.
The problem is the assumption of contagion. Back in the day widespread vitamin deficiencies were considered exemplars of contagion, until they weren't.
Pellagra (B3 niacin) is a prime example with its 4 D’s: Dermatitis, Diarrhea, Dementia, Death. Likewise on ships, scurvy afflicted all the sailors, with >50% dying on long voyages until the association was made between foods with vitamin C and the prevention of the deficiency disease.
"Until the discovery of pellagra's link with niacin, it was widely believed that the disease was an infection that could be transmitted from person to person."
GOV funds the development, erases all liability and market risk (the latter by psy-ops and mandates), BigPharma scores utterly titanic profits, gratis, while politicians acquire the levers of control.
OMG, there you are!!!!!!! I was trying to remember your name... So glad you're in this conversation! And glad you do what you do. You're one of my heroes. xo xo xo xo xo
I’m not sure if you have even listened to them closely. A lot of these folks don’t deny people label things they see as viruses. They are just of the opinion that these things are exosomes or cellular debris. They think it’s a different part of the disease progression and not the causative agent. It’s okay to disagree. It’s not okay to frame them as complete imbeciles.
>I’m not sure if you have even listened to them closely.
Are you speaking to me?
I'm sorry about your lack of clarity.
I have, BTW.
> A lot of these folks don’t deny people label things they see as viruses.
> They are just of the opinion that these things are exosomes or cellular debris.
You can point to a dot on an SEM photograph which seems to be a vesicle emitting from a cell, and say, "Look at that dot!!!!", and that's about all you can conclude.
But you cannot point to a dot on an SEM photograph and say, "that is a virus", without FIRST defining what you mean by the term "virus", i.e.,
a "replication-competent intra-cellular obligate parasite that causes cellular necrosis and symptomatic disease, which transmit between hosts via natural modes of exposure."
AND SECOND, proving that such things exist.
Yes, THE DOT on the PHOTO exists!
(So what? all SEM photography is a contrivance.)
However, saying that THE DOT is a "replication-competent intra-cellular obligate parasite that causes cellular necrosis and symptomatic disease, which transmits between hosts via natural modes of exposure" -- requires a lot of evidence which heretofore has not been entered into the record (the entire historical canon of peer-reviewed scientific papers published to date).
"Contagion is obvious" says the guy who wasn't killed by ebola, HIV-AIDS, SARS-1, MERS, SARS-COV-2, monkeypox, smallpox, marburg...
Lol. Like Rapporport said recently: You have a very short memory. How many "contagions" have raged across the planet, wiping out humanity? Zero. We always survive, I suspect, because disease isn't contagious. It can happen to a lot of people at the same time, but that does not prove it is spread from person to person....that must be demonstrated empirically, which it hasn't.
Yes, I do not subscribe to the germ-terrain false dichotomy. It is a case of both/and. I just do not believe in nanoscale 'contagious, disease-causing viruses'. If one doesn't think bacterium can cause illness well I can grow a batch of salmonella for you to drink...
They’re not transmissible in the way we think as transmissible. Don’t eat the salmonella you won’t get sick. Like a cobra bite. The cobra transmitted the poison into you. But don’t be bitten you won’t get sick.
Well, I didn't say anything about giving you salmonella drinks, but.
I don't think it's as simple as a "false dichotomy." I think it's still THEORIES, and while I think the THEORY of viruses is a false one, a scheme, as in profit-making scheme, I do think the Terrain Theory makes FAAAAR more sense than the Germ Theory, which has been dead for some time. But it might depend on whether you consider bacteria to be "germs."
Look into German new medicine. Answers a lot of the questions you might have beyond toxins and deficiencies. Truly the most game changing thing I’ve ever come across when it comes to health
....and they are ENTIRELY correct; there ARE no such things as, 'contagions' - as 'viruses', AREN'T sentient, alive but rather, NEUTRAL organic MEDIA until such conditions as specific resonant values PIEZOELECTRICALLY alter their crystalline structures and associated fieldS to produce (for THEM) constructive entanglement / FACILITATING pathogenic relationships; germ theory was DESIGNED to manufacture an EXTERNAL threat, create a contrived NEED - while we now have COMPELLING evidence that MOST disease-states arise from biological poisonings, synthesized toxins ALIKE.....
I would be curious to see a math analysis of actual disease outbreaks every year. If I take 5000 black tiles and 5000 white tiles , shake them into a bag and then randomly spread them onto a 100 x 100 squared board they will not alternate. I will get clumps of white and clumps of
Black and some areas of alternation etc. I’m not certain contagion is at least in part random number distribution. ‘How do you explain so many of us all getting sick last June?’ ‘Because everyone cleanses once or twice a year. Random distribution says it should clump. In addition these cleanses tend to occur more to people during abrupt weather changes as the body attempts to acclimate. Add in groups of people tend to ingest the same toxins/garbage and you will appear to have contagion when in fact it’s weather and similar toxins.’
Susceptibility appears to be all there really is. But, and this matters a lot to me, epidemiologists follow "viral outbreaks" as they move across the globe every year.
Ditto past experiences like smallpox infected blankets being given to Native Americans.
And outbreaks generated by Western Scientists visiting villages in the Amazon resulting in total decimation of a tribe. Observation is the Scientific Method.
Contagion is real, IMO. I just think that "viruses" are not exactly what we think they are, and perhaps can be triggered and/or generated many different ways.
Scientific method involves controlled experiments, not simply observing people getting sick or finding dead people. Logic please, people can die from many things. Meanwhile no virus particle has even been shown to exist. We've been conditioned to believe in contagion our entire lives. Yet every attempt to demonstrate it scientifically has failed. Literally no one got sick, no matter what the researchers tried.
I agree about the need for actual science on some very fundamental questions. Like Reich's discovery of Bions, Orgone, DOR, etc., among others, and Sheldrake's Morphogentic Fields, Tesla's frequency and resonance, etc., ...Life, and Everything in the Universe starts getting VERY interesting!
What if a viral infection is actually a cellular detox triggered by certain electromagnetic frequencies, or waves of DOR?
Or a relationship to starlight, sunlight, and the general contraction in Nature during the winter?
I know I get "sick" when I'm toxic, or weakened. So there is that. Naturopth Chris Chlebowski just wrote "The Virus and the Host," and I find it a good starting place for many.
First we definitely need to look at the "ground" long before we study the "pathogen."
Then maybe we could try to understand the "bugs" a bit more scientifically?
Germ Theory has been a complete fraud since Pasteur fabricated it, and viral theory is an even more fraudulent derivation of that BS, as Stefan Lanka and others have revealed by their detailed critique of the viral "isolation" process of the fake science discipline called virology, including the routine (WTF!) use of animal (different species) tissue and cell toxins, cherry-picking, etc.
I suggest you have a read of "Béchamp or Pasteur? A Lost Chapter in the History of Biology" by Ethel Douglas Hume, first published in 1923, and most recently republished in 2006. You will probably be shocked by what you read!
Nature may dismiss this book, but that is mostly likely a propaganda "hatchet job", probably because this inconvenient historic evidence threatens many "medical" people's investment and careers, and threatens the existence of many "medical" corporation and their massive ongoing fraudulent revenue!
Germ Theory has been a complete fraud since Pasteur fabricated it, and viral theory is an even more fraudulent derivation of that BS, as Stefan Lanka and others have revealed by their detailed critique of the viral "isolation" process of the fake science discipline called virology, including the routine (WTF!) use of animal (different species) tissue and cell toxins, cherry-picking, etc.
Agreed, but don't let Pasteur off the hook for the virus par specifically. He invented that to satisfy a contract with the french government to create a medical pretext to stop british maritime traffic from passing the strait of gibraltar without starting a war. France did this in response to the slave-state great britain seizing the suez canal in violation of international law for their banker owners.
So pasteur owns this bogus pathogenic virus particle theory.
I suggest you have a read of "Béchamp or Pasteur? A Lost Chapter in the History of Biology" by Ethel Douglas Hume, first published in 1923, and most recently republished in 2006. You will probably be shocked by what you read! http://mnwelldir.org/docs/history/biographies/Bechamp-or-Pasteur.pdf
I won't be shocked because I saw it in 2006. If you want to see the best collection of all of this information look at a site called "whale.to".
Nature may dismiss this book, but that is mostly likely a propaganda "hatchet job", probably because this inconvenient historic evidence threatens many "medical" people's investment and careers, and threatens the existence of many "medical" corporation and their massive ongoing fraudulent revenue!
Yes, it's all about the power. The bankers or whoever owns their asses want to make everybody more dependent on them. Their cull was planned certainly since before 1981 when they carved it in stone in the state of Georgia in 12 languages 4 of which are no longer spoken by human beings as their firts language.
The reason they want/needto cull us is the same reason all aggressive and passive beings do most things: Fear.
They have the technology that brought down the twin towers in seconds turning "solid" matter into fine powder faster than gravity could bring the top of the building to EArth.
But they live in fear that others will also have it and then they'll have competition.
That old piece of shit John D. Rockefeller said it: "competition is a sin".
so they figure their best shot at maintaining the exclusivity on this liberating technology which could take us several levels into the future requires killing most of us and maintaining us in an orwellian police state.
What I've learned here (for the n-th time) Is that even people like Igor are totally fooling themselves.
They think that they see a definition of science and the scientific method, and that they agree with us (I expect you and I would see eye to eye on it)
In fact Igor doesn't agree with us though he believes he does. Igor has a religion known as pseudo science and he believes that he is scientific because he can organize people to move large machines down the highway without killing innocent women and children or damaging material.
But his science ends there. He hasn't carried it to biology.
When it comes to biology Igor is neck deep in pseudo-science but still thinks he's a scientist.
And we won't likely be able to pull him out of his self-delusional world any more than I could help Heidi the psychopath (no offense Heidi, it's just the truth) to see that she too is a pseudo scientist.
The difference between Heidi and Igor is that Heidi is upfront in her delusions, Igor hides his from himself.
The concept of external causes for disease does two things; first it makes peoples choices about things like adequate exercise and a healthy diet irrelevant and secondly it greatly enriches the medical industrial complex.
This "cull" stuff has been going on since at least WWII, and likely before that. Eugenics is not a new thing, as I'm sure you know. Cheers, good comment.
Max Igan has dug up a lot of information of past culls that nobody else I know of has found. Search for the "mud flood". Apparently culls have been a regular feature of life on Earth. This is the solution found by the people who are working on suppressing paper money.
We all need to throw out our smartphones before it's too late. I have an idea to go around this. Commission a small indian firm to make an open source device with a gsm port, a wifi port an ethernet port and enough memory to permit opensource software scripts. Create non-profit organizations locally to own and bear the name on the contracts with the telecoms. The devices need to be able to detect each other. Every time you cross somebody in the supermarket you change devices with them. Or perhaps the devices could just randomly change their mac address. But I think it would be better to use both of those solutions. One would connect one's smart phone to this device's wifi, perhaps best to pass that interface through a VPN. It would be necessary to root the smart phone to be able to turn off the gsm interface because the psychopaths have a database of everybody's smart phone's mac address. Many smart phones one would likely need to physically damage the gsm interface.
In this way we could keep our smartphones and make it very much more difficult for them to track us. Also the non-profits would furnish a very useful aid to creating local currencies. The groups formed this way could collaborate with the groups in neighboring areas, or there could be multiple groups in the same geographical areas in densely populated places.
I don't think it's that "they don't exist." It's more like: they are created in ways we do not fully understand, and can be "transmitted" in more ways than getting sneezed upon!
Perhaps they really are "exosomes." And perhaps they are part of a natural detox process.
Maybe they can even be "triggered" by electricity as well as caught through contagion. Read "Invisible Rainbow" by Arthur Furstenberg
What I'm saying is that after listening to a WIDE range of experts over the past nearly three years, I have little faith in the idea that viruses are sneaky little agents of harm that lurk everywhere and jump up your nose and into your mouth and make you sick. I just don't see the PROOF.
Exosomes makes far more sense, as in, they are like trash collectors, who take out cells that are poisoned or dead or damaged, they are helpers, not bringers of harm. They come FROM our bodies, not from outside them. That has been explained in various ways over and over and over by people who should know, and it's LOGICAL, and therefore I agree with that, not as some sort of iron-clad MUST BE thing, but as the most rational and logical explanation I've heard so far.
Yes, via the natural detox process.
I think what is "triggered" by EMF's, or electricity if you want to call it that-- I call it RADIATION-- are the metals that are found in our foods, beverages, and sprayed into the air on a regular basis, for decades, and are in EVERY SINGLE VACCINE, not just these "Covid" ones. Whether these metals are "activated" or "triggered" by something is not the only problem... They are toxic regardless of being triggered. They are known harmful substances that shouldn't be in our bodies.
I don't know what would be "transmission" besides breathing, eating, drinking... magic? lol
I see people driving around in cars, windows up, all alone, wearing masks. People understand science the way worms understand philosophy... They don't. People are manipulated by using FEAR, a very, very, very, very effective tool.
Try to find a study that verifies your perceived experience of getting sick from others, and/or review the historical attempts by public health researchers to prove contagion (there is a great review of such at the beginning of the film End of Germ Theory:
https://rumble.com/v1ak9zn-the-end-of-germ-theory-by-spacebusters.html). They failed every time, no matter the methods used, methods that today would be considered unethical. We've been conditioned to interpret our experiences in light of this claimed contagion phenomenon and to disregard the experiences that don't fit the pattern (of which there are many).
No matter how one tries, it strikes me that people just love their fables, while the titanic investment in them precludes the entertainment of fallacy let alone a search for better understanding. And given that the barreled needle has the triple benefit of cash, cull and control, its going to be struggle to change the thinking, .... but we'll get there.
your response has helped me to see the other side of the "conspiracy theory" coin. The "educated" masses nearly all believe in the virus theory which is an obvious conspiracy theory involving whoever owns the pharm industry and the nobel organization. And then when a "conspiracy theorist" points out something that is very likely but impossible to prove, he (me) gets treated like he (me) is a nut.
So these people want to believe lies and don't want to believe truth.
They are making it difficult to stop the democide of their own kind.
Let's always remember that the burden of proof is always on the one making the positive claim. So there is no onus on us to prove/disprove anything, we can simply point out the blatant flaws in the evidence put forward to support the virus story and that they have no science whatsoever :)
If it’s not a virus though then we might actually be able to stop
Contagion in whatever way it occurs. I’m beginning to believe upper respiratory viruses might not exist. Which means COVID doesn’t. But it appears some viruses exist. I know people who were healthy and strong and got Herpes transmitted to them. Pretty tough to argue against that. Unless...Herpes isn’t a virus. It might be a parasite. It seems the hardest viruses to explain away are the ones that present on the skin.
Amen to that!! I think MOST of the problems that have arisen are because people have been scared. Initially, before looking at all the data, the face masks were a comfort - that didn't last long. I quickly became a person who felt like an idiot when wearing one - and very conscious of it affecting my breathing. Never again will I take "their" word for anything... never.
It could be a herpes sore situated usually in a hot dark moist place ends up getting germs, infections, etc ON it. Sex where a mini tear occurs transfers the festering sore compounds into the receiver. These materials grow in the person until enough have been grown the body sheds it. And it’s own sore is produced. Not a virus. Just an unclean environment.
It's a bit strange that apparently hasn't been isolated.
With so much of it (apparently) being around, why ? ?
I'm a simple soul and don't understand, if it can be tested, you know, tests that "confirm" you have or, don't have the virus - well, why can't it be isolated? For those getting irritated with me, I apologize. I'm not scientifically educated.
They actually are testing it through a faulty manner if they are using the PCR test because they can adjust the level of the test and put it at a higher level. According to the person who made the test (who is mysteriously now deceased after all of this began and they were very vocally against using it), it can be turned up to detect that you have the flea butt virus if they farted in your vicinity and you smelled it - it is that faulty. Then there's the fact that they actually had a preservative that is carcinogenic on the swab being used - they are determined to get us one way or another. Anyway, don't ever stop asking questions or you'll become a part of "the man."
You didn't get sick from others, you got sick from the same exposure to the same toxins at the same time or close to the same time. Why did I get sick EVERY TIME I drove to Florida on vacation along with my wife and four sons? Because of the interruption in our circadian rhythm caused by being in a different area of the earth magnetic field setting off a detox in all of us.
My wife and I might never have been sick at the same time. She claims to remember once it happened. I cant recall ever. I can recall lots of times my kids were sick at the same time. But also lots and lots of times they weren’t.
.....THINK you mean 'CIRCADIAN' rhythmS (unless you're ACTUALLY insects ;P - predicated by the ionosphere-producing 'Schumann Resonance'; there's SOME thought that widescale terrestrial magnetic-field anomalies around FL (though NOT alone; may be true of ALL Ivan Sanderson's infamous, evenly-located [above and below BOTH latitudinal, globe-encircling 'Tropics'] 'Vile Vortices') can SIGNIFICANTLY compromise KEY biological processes depending upon certain ecosystemic conditions being in play.....
At the end of the day, who’s to say that one really understands the inner workings of any natural system? The models built by science work so we think we are on the right track. And they can ‘seem’ to work for a long time. Seem is the keyword because we expect deviations and we think those deviations are noise — usually a catch all for stuff we cannot explain. A lot of times, this so called noise carries information that beckons us to build more models to think we have a handle to the problem. This is how science progresses.
So if one can explain the virus phenomenon with an alternative formulation, all the power to them.
The globular earth theory seems to hold a lot of water.. oceans in fact. If there are anomalies i don't know about them, but many flat earthers believe there are. But what we want are theories we can use in our life on earth, or on Mars, whatever.
Great comment. I feel like the truth is somewhere between germ and terrain theories. I mean, I was blown away when I realised exosomes and viruses are almost indistinguishable from each other. I've experienced catching an illness from my partner after she went away on a weekend trip. It's possible that she was infected with a virus and spread it to me. It's also possible that her body was out of whack due to the new environment, and eating different food and drinking too much so when she got home her body was detoxing and shedding exosomes which triggered an immune response in me. All I know is that she was unwell and seemed to pass that diseased state to me (with different symptoms) but I can't possibly say which mechanism was responsible for my mild illness.
I’ve been in factories in China, with few safety measures. Toxic fumes everywhere. After a half hour you walk out and you have a ‘cold’. Well, your eyes burn and water and your nose runs and you cough. I didn’t pick up a virus. I had been poisoned. After washing my face and drinking some water and being in. Semi clean air my ‘cold’ cleared up.
Exactly. The original meaning of 'virus' was poison. And for a good reason.
There are no pathogenic viruses, as depicted in virology. We are getting poisoned, in more than one way.. through the air we breathe, the food full of chemicals and additives, the water full of chlorine and fluorine, EMF radiation, even the stress we experience on daily basis has a negative effect on our health.
The 'flu' and most of other diseases, if I may add, is just the body's attempt to clear out the toxins accumulated in a period of time.
You can't catch the flu, you develop it. It's as simple as that.
Just as I didn't catch pneumonia three times in my life, I developed it because I was running naked in the snow, trying to become 'Rambo'..
And now we have grids of lines being laid out in the sky. A beautiful
Sunny day here in Victoria an hour ago. Now a cloud cover is beginning to ‘form’. Not roll in from the horizon. But form from the chemicals being sprayed over our city.
I listen to Mike Yeadon and from what I heard he said there might not even be a covid virus, however he did not say there was no such thing as a virus. He then went on to state that this whole Covid nonsense could be done with numbers trickery, propaganda, and not treating things like Pneumonia in people we are not very healthy to begin with.
I listened to an interview of his last night. He said that he doesn't think respiratory viruses infect in the manner we've been taught. He went on to other topics, but I'd like to hear him expand on those thoughts.
The claim being made is that he said there is no such thing as a virus. I never heard him say anything of the sort, people penciled that part in because it fits their confirmation bias.
Ditto. Yeadon mentions something Andrew Kaufman said to him in 2020 that bothered him. I would like to know what that was and how exactly his thinking on respiratory viruses evolved and what he thinks they are.
I personally do not know but I have heard of human experiments during the Spanish flu that tried to infect healthy volunteers with saliva and blood from sick person. All of the experiments failed oddly.
An excerpt: "Another major jolt to my background acceptance of the existence of the virus was the observations by Denis Rancourt & others that deaths in counties in US states occurred in patterns that were inconsistent with natural spreading of a respiratory pathogen. A very accessible version is his interview on Jerm Warfare."
Then, I believe that I heard, the number of deaths were actually attributed, in large numbers, to people wearing the actual "masks" that had bacteria on them and they got bacterial pneumonia?
Rancourt does not attribute it to masks but just bacterial pneumonia which is normally treated with antibiotics but doctors were urged not to dispense antibiotics because covid is viral. However, you bring up a good point. Masks may have increased the prevalence though I don't think there is any data to support this view as yet.
Heck, is there data to support anything? They pretty much threw that practice out when they saw the shots weren't doing their supposed preventative jobs! (But had too much money and investors in the 2030 agenda to stop) But, I was only talking about the earlier flu, though...not this bioweapon.
What he said..."It collapsed the possibility that respiratory viruses as described exist at all".. What you heard "viruses do not exist". Not even close to the same thing. In my opinion he is correct in what he said. We have no idea how these viruses work, There are a lot of doctors who think Covid is a blood virus along the lines of AIDS.
AIDS is not a virus. Everyone knows that. :-) HIV? Even many people who believe it exists have stated it does not cause AIDS, people like Peter Duesberg and even Luc Montagnier, who got a Nobel in 2008 for allegedly discovering HIV. Others like Eleni Papadopoulos-Eliopoulos and the Perth Group she was with have demonstrated the lack of proof for it, including how Mongagnier admitted that his "discovery" of HIV was based on the presence of reverse transcriptase, which he believed was associated only with retroviruses. Members of his own team back then knew otherwise, per papers they published, and now this is common knowledge. People can go watch Yeadon themselves and see what he says, including the laudatory comments about people whom this blog entry calls "psyop."
That is what i said. And he said more than just that re respiratory viruses. He thanked a bunch of people for opening up his eyes. People can go watch it for themselves.
Finally nobody cares what you 'believe' or don't 'believe'. I might believe in the flower fairies but unless you can show me evidence for them... ah wait actually the new way of doing science has actually proved the existence of flower fairies https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/we-cant-find-them-therefore-they
the diseases of the industrial revolution smallpox and measles all turned out to be due to toxins, malnourishment and chid labour.
chicken pox as we know protects against shingles and the development of solid tumours, and like all poxes are just the body getting rid of toxins through the skin and of course we can signal to each other to detox; visually and in other ways we don't understand, doesn't mean its not happening https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/some-people-say-we-dont-know-why
the outcome of 'believing' in viruses is world domination, control, vaccines, myocarditis and tyranny.
the outcome of not 'believing' in viruses until there is some evidence is complete freedom
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Agreed - these are not just "viruses," they are bioweapons. Bioweapons... They were meant to transmit easily - which is what was accomplished - and to sell shots that weakened everyone and depopulated much of the earth while making the "elites" a s4it-ton of money.
Ohhhh-kayyyy, so you'll have to explain away the F.A.C.T. that Ralph Baric and his team of ghouls at Univ. of North Carolina crowed about adding an S-protein to a bat corona virus, making it capable of infecting humans, in the Nov. 16, 2015 edition of The Scientist, and Boston Univ. recently adding an Omicron spike back onto the Wuhan virus body just a few weeks back, plus all the public information re the patents on this virus going back to the 90s. And all you TROLLS essentially working here to discredit questioning the narrative is to spew fake theories and call names, no facts necessary.
I would think that I've asked you to show the controlled experiment which proves that pathogenic virus particles exist. I"m sure you didn't respond, perhaps I never asked you. Consider yourself asked. If you come up with a valid response which proves that they exist, I'll be awestruck.
Thanks for the effort.
If you can't find it, please have the courage to admit that you've wasted everybody's time with your shrill drivel.
So here are my thoughts...i think they have made these bioweapons to shed and infect from one person to another. I do think some people are more resistant to this unnatural influence and others who might be more sensitive to the shedding. On the other hand, I also think there are outside influences that might be part of this...5G emps or whatever they are spraying. I do know we have to deal with these murderers.
You're probably right in most aspects. But I have doubts in regards to the actual virus, I don't think that ever existed.
The virus was the boogie man used to scare the masses to take the injections. What's in those injections, I don't know, I can only guess. But I'm sure as hell it's not preventing any 'infection' with a supposed 'virus'.. quite the opposite, actually. The vaxxed are getting sicker and sicker, and from all kind of diseases..
Yes, and it is difficult to watch for sure. The only thing that I can do at this point is say to myself, "I did the best that I could to educate you before you took them. God help us all." I will be sad when something happens, but God gave us all free will. Then there's the thing that no one knows the day or hour, so I might actually go before them. You never know.
On the "virus," I have a difficult time EVER calling it a virus - even talking to family or friends, I tend to do air quotes, lol. At less than .5% of death, it should NEVER have been used as the catalyst for the WEF agenda! It is hard to wrap my head around the thought that most of my "educated" friends didn't educate themselves enough to see that they were playing the world.
They have patents on genetic sequences, proteins and such. Not on viruses.
Then they create the vaccines based on those patents, and inject people with them.
Having a patent for something doesn't mean a real thing exists in nature, or if it's even feasible to do it, from a scientific point of view. It just have to describe a process, an idea, but it doesn't even have to be proven to work.
Dr Yeadon told Hearts of Oak in late July that he no longer believes respiratory viruses exist. As you probably know, his specialty was "respiratory diseases."
I’ve heard him say he was prepared to say upper respiratory viruses don’t exist. And he said he wasn’t prepared to say that about all viruses. But he indicated he was leaning towards that.
Maybe not shaped by them, but maybe there is something that you hadn't thought about before? Nothing wrong with "listening" and opening a mind. I think the idea that you wouldn't be open to any other opinion or view might be what they are looking for in the world of Fauci and Walensky, maybe Macron and Trudeau?
I agree re Wilhelm Reich (orgone theory) and Rupert Sheldrake (morphic resonance) etcetera.
Perhaps an energy field exists that we have so far not truly recognized.
Perhaps there is an aspect of this bio energy synchronizing and presenting with some illness.
Perhaps also like light, both partial and wave at the same time. Viruses as we know them have different forms or abilities?
But IMHO it is dangerous to ignore some of the safety control options the current viral model gives us. Eg particles moving through air can be controlled or minimized in ways a biological energy cannot. And until we know with certainty, it makes sense to keep those controls on the table as options.
Masks have been a very valuable tool for me. They permit me to know immediately that somebody is not worth my time. I believe they've avoided me several 20 second conversations which leave me in the uncomfortable position of needing to prohibit a look of contempt and disgust from reaching my facial muscles.
LOL! I had to wear a mask once or I would have been kicked out of a doctors office. I had it on for 15 minutes. When I went in they stuck an oxygen sensor on my finger and almost immediately the nurse said TAKE THAT MASK OFF! I was down to 89 and she said a little less and I would have passed out. Well why did it effect me more so than other folks? IT WAS TIGHT. I'm 6'4" tall and my head is in proportion with the rest of my body. So the mask was SUFFOCATING me. Somethings are just common sense. If my car started acting up and I went to my mechanic and he said stick a potato up the exhaust to make it run better, I'd be seeking a more professional answer.
but I'd rather be with a person with a 100 iq and an open mind than one with a 130 iq who "knows" everything. He knows that there are no conspiracies, for example. Give me the slow one who knows how to think but doesn't think fast.
Agree. A face nappy cannot work anyway the aerosol droplets are too small. A positive pressure suit perhaps. But not a cloth mask. If you wouldn't use it working around friable asbestos. What makes you think it can control a respiratory virus?
Researching, I did find some very interesting things. First of all, viruses do exists, however, after my research, I think we have what they are, very wrong.
Without sending all the evidence, my current theory is that viruses are part of mammalian immune response to environmental stresses (including bateria).
If you are interested in some evidence on this (feel free to ignore this whole post):
- Whenever we try to trace where a cold virus comes from, we find very large areas come up all at once (environment stress cosmic rays, plus low vit D that might be protective as possible cause?).
- Fetus are found to have a lot of viruses in them, and when sterilized in animals experiments, the baby doesn't survive (used as a defense to protect against bacteria and other environmental things?).
- 6% of human DNA is "virus DNA" (could it not be there for a reason? Maybe as part of our immune response)
- In labs, we have only seen viruses attack bacteria under the microscope, never healthy tissue (an anti bacterial virus would be a very good defense mechanism in humans and mammals)
- To "culture" viruses requires animal tissues that are "stressed" in certain ways.
Just to be clear, I am not interested in debating or anything, and still exploring this topic for fun. But so far, this is interesting.
The whole immune memory of which viruses were used for which stressors and for the body to remember which worked and didn't (on different levels) would also be a good thing for the body to do.
Phages are the 'viruses' that attack the bacteria. We are resurrecting some old school medicine and using them to fight bacterial infections, especially antibiotic resistant organisms.
The probiotics I take added "phage" technology 5 years ago. It was fascinating reading about them. Very old tech from the 1930's or earlier but got forgotten when antibiotics hit the scene. Since we've now misused antibiotics to the point where a lot don't work they started going back to the phage technology to deal with bacteria.
Each phage is specific to on bacteria from what I understand. That is great as they don't harm the helpful bacteria in our gut.
I think it makes a lot of sense that we co-evolved with viruses and they play an integral role in our bodies and immune systems. Just one example is that people who get chicken pox are less likely to get brain tumors. https://neurosciencenews.com/glioma-brain-cancer-chicken-pox-3942/
About ten years ago I happened to sit next to highly regarded Australian immunologist on an airplane (I looked him up and confirmed his credentials when I got home). We had a very interesting discussion on the gut microbiome and it's implications for human health.
I point blank asked him, "Do you think sometime in the future we'll find that some viruses play a positive role in human health?" His answer was an unequivocal no, that viruses were always harmful or passive at best. I was struck by his closed-mindedness, particularly after we had just discussed how over fifty years bacteria had gone from almost always bad to often good.
They say science advances one death at a time and unfortunately that seems to be true.
Really? Because humans would not have mitochondria if it weren't for the fact that a virus hijacked it and through evolution turned it into the power house of the cellular system.
I think the immunologist mentioned above is a firm believer in the beneficial role of the mitochondria. If he is, who I think he is, he has been pretty open to ideas that go against the prevailing science. He’s even given reasons why the current vaccines were bound to fail. Even supported Ivermectin before it was “trendy.”
Pretty amazing that they decided to focus on chicken pox and ignore the countless other possible factors that can lead to or protect against that type of cancer 🙃
"In labs, we have only seen viruses attack bacteria under the microscope, never healthy tissue"
That's total bullshit. Is there anyone alive today that doesn't know the covid virus infects healthy human cells via the ACE2 receptor, even if they have no idea what that is? That we can examine the damn virus so closely we can detect it came from a lab, detect Moderna's patent in there and Baric's 'no-see-um' technique, or that another lab recently created a dangerous hybrid?
There is no one on Earth that can show that SARS-COV-2 'virus' can 'attack' healthy human lung cells.
ALL (and I mean ALL) experiments done in the labs are using monkey kidney cells or bovine fetal cells (or something similar to these ones) in a test tube, by poisoning and starving those cells first.
Please SHOW ME at least ONE experiment where they infected healthy human cells with the so-called 'virus'.
I am refuting the virus theory, I didn't put forward a replacement theory. I don't have to propose an alternate theory, if I'm refuting the current one.
But if you want a better explanation for disease than viruses, try the terrain theory or German new medicine.
I am asking for the experiments that proved SARS-COV-2 attacks human lung cells.
Do you have any or not?
Because if you don't, you're just a snake oil salesman.
If you make a claim, you have to back it up with proper evidence.
Evidence that fetal bovine cells or monkey kidney cells break down in a test tube is miles away from evidence that there's a virus called SARS-COV-2, which attacks human lung cells.
Do you get what I'm saying, or you are challenged?
I can't repeat same thing over and over again, sorry.
I cannot prove a negative. Otherwise, I could ask you to prove unicorns are not real.
You have to provide evidence for your claims. If you claim the viruses are real and cause disease and are transmissible from human to human, you bare the burden of proof. Otherwise, you are making baseless claims.
Besides, there were experiments done already which proved that Spanish flu was not contagious, for example. Look up Rosenau experiments done in 1918 for the Spanish flu. You have to explain those from virology point of view, and there is no explanation, other than viruses don't exist or they're not contagious in nature. Viruses are exozomes, things that get released by the cell when it's sick (because of toxicity, lack of nutrients, etc).
I’m a real estate developer. If my building collapses I can say definitively my structural engineer screwed up, as he is the one whose job it is to make sure the right materials are used etc. You seem to be saying I have to know all the details of why and how he screwed up. No. I can merely point out my building fell down. I don’t need to propose anything other than his work didn’t stand up to scrutiny. We hired these people. They screwed up. I don’t have to know how and why etc. that’s for the inquiry. They could not after 100 years produce evidence what they were saying is correct. It’s all a theory. Which isn’t standing up. I don’t need to provide anything other than ‘a mistake was made. Their work is wrong’ m
BTW Moderna patents are for genetic sequences whether they are from a virus or a vaccine or anything else..
So yeah.. I think this was planned, but in the sense that they wanted to inject people with poisons, but there is NO REAL VIRUS that can infect a healthy human. Anywhere. Period.
That was the PsyOp used to convince sheeple to take the death shots - against a supposed deadly 'virus'..
Geeez, give me a fking break. All vaccines are poisonous it was proved already.. there is 0 benefit to them, and only dangerous side effects due to toxins and heavy metals.
Interesting. I read someone's theory once that the viruses which attack bacteria (called phages) are only present when bacteria are in a stressed environment.
The theory was that phages are a way to transfer DNA from one to another as a means to help the colony survive.
You have cited a lot of interesting details here. One thing you make me wonder about is how they managed to “sterilize” a living fetus to get rid of the “viruses” within it. Then the fact that they “sterilized “ it and wiped out its “possibly protective” (against bacteria, etc.) was what killed the fetus, they say. So I wonder how they determined that their “sterilization” procedure itself on the living fetus wasn’t what killed the fetus?
I think you are approaching a newer and more accurate idea here of what the bits of material we have been labeling "viruses" really might be!
It's fascinating because we need a theory that covers all, not just parts and pieces, of the evidence we have gathered over 100 years+.
What we have called "viruses" do move in waves, at times, around the Globe, and my mother, daughter, or friend can "catch" one, and I seemingly, can catch it from them.
But, if my immune system is super healthy, they can be as sick as can be, and I stay fine, lol!
But most people exposed to genital herpes catch it. So some "viruses" are more contagious than others.
Yet outside normal contagion it appears electricity seems to trigger influenza outbreaks, and many are activated by "resonance" as well.
I agree, there is a lot more to discover. We really have no clue. Viruses do exists, but what they are might be lacking. Maybe herpes is a combination of things (my whole family but me have the mouth version, for sure I was also exposed, but for some reason never had any).
I am thinking something like it is a natural bacteria that causes the body to react where skin is more sensitive (mouth and genital) and the natural anti-bacterial oils our body produces gets lowered for a reason (poor diet / less sunlight), which makes our body produce a virus to fight that bacteria. Its contagiousness might just be a regular skin bacteria that is slightly more evolved.
I just know that out of most of those things blamed on viruses, it isn't as simple as you are exposed and then have symptoms. (Koshes Postulate? --not sure the spelling)
Anyway, everything we know so far doesn't fix any main stream theory so far...
That sounds extremely strange saying just ONE PERSON ON SUBSTACK was responsible for this psyop as proof of it, was that all? That is very strange what is on with that insanity so BE CAREFUL PEOPLE.
D'ye know what, I have been reading, watching, listening and thinking about this stuff every day for two and a half years - and with all the knowledge that I have amassed and fills my headspace I have come to a decision:
I don't know if 'viruses' exist or not - and for now it's not the most important thing - That is stopping the insane vaccines, especially for children and the young, and telling the world the truth about what has been done to them.
I have read much on both sides and respect proponents equally. It could be that we still don't know enough or it's down to semantics. Who knows. What IS important is the battle in hand as the globalists seek to impose their total control over us. Anything else will have to wait for another day.
Am I allowed to be smug now? To say truly "I told you so"? Because the
'no virus' debate was a psyop derail from the start, meant to tie people in knots off on the railroad spur of thought.
It's like arguing about angels, heads of pins, and what dance step they prefer. And keeps us from discussing the meat of the matter in a serious and organized way.
The Terrain vs Germ theory thing reminds me of something a teacher told me (back when teachers were there to teach you critical thought) that the reality of things was likely something that fell between theories, that encompassed them all to some extent. I agree, a shitty terrain (which we likely have in much of North America due to diet and pollution) is gonna make people sick. However, the fact that these sickenesses often follow certain pathways and outcomes argues for some kind of agent causing them. So, like everyone's right here, shut up and fight the bastards that are using this as a tool to consolidate power. We can wuibble about the damn angels later.
If you believe the 'no-virus' movement is a PsyOp you are the victim of the PsyOp.
This debate is as old as it gets.. way before any three letter agency..
Jon Rappoport, for example, was talking about this for at least 2 decades. And there are others, like Tom Cowan, Stefan Lanka, and probably many others which I don't even know about.
This debate has got more focus mainstream, as more people woke up to the scam, that's all..
Those, at least many of those, who are boosted are dead men walking. Many of us here are trying to save the children. This is not a psy op. This is the fight right now.
I put a lot of work into compassionately and clearly providing the counterpoints to these arguments after I noticed they kept on spamming my page and derailing discussions. It worked and it took two articles with that approach to end the discussion without any hard feelings on either side so we could focus on where we had common ground. I also felt these topics were worth exploring because they touched upon a lot of key epistemological issues I see all the time, so I used them to open up that discussion.
I was quite disappointed your articles never really addressed the true heart of the issue: the METHODOLOGY of virology and how EXACTLY they claim to prove that viruses exist. You didn’t say anything about the consistent failure of every experiment that has tried to prove contagion. You didn’t even look at the methodology section of the virology “research” and genuinely ask: HOW does this METHODOLOGY actually PROVE that viruses exist? That’s why this debate won’t die. Not one single person on the Viruses Exist team even bothers to address the elephant.
Because Igor is not interested in the truth. He knows he's right: his friends in big pharma told him so.
Same guys that pushed the deadly vaxxes, told him the viruses are real. He can't possibly comprehend that disease may have other causes, like toxicity, poisoning, lack of nutrients, EMF radiation, etc etc
He KNOWS that he got sick because of an imaginary virus. It couldn't be anything else! After all, someone else close to him got sick as well.. it must be an invisible, flying particle, right?
People have explained the methodology showing how they ‘prove’ a virus and it’s such obvious nonsense I could barely contain my derision. They then explain to me patiently how that proves something, which it cannot. Up until a while ago I believed 100% in viruses can be isolated and proved to exist. I didn’t think that had happened with COVID but I assumed HIV etc had been isolated. Discovering six months this ago the method was a shock. When I read about it it is such obvious meaningless data it bewildered me the world has done this to us.
"All models are wrong. Some models are useful." Picked up that quote somewhere and I like to use it.
I believe the virus model is "wrong" and I'm not sure it's actually useful. The model of a "virus" is a particle containing DNA or RNA wrapped in a protein coat, which gains entry to a cell in order to hijack its machinery in order to make copies of itself, which blow up the cell from the inside, killing it. Those copies go on to infect other cells and do the same thing. That's pretty specific. It's a particle of a certain size with a very specific mode of operation.
Here's how I think about this issue: NAV crew has some serious critiques of the METHODOLOGY of virology. If we ask the very simple question - HOW do you know a particular virus exists? - virologists will tell you one or more of three very specific things:
1) we "isolated" it - which does not mean they separated it from all other particles which would allow them to characterize, photograph, and sequence the DNA/RNA of said particles in order to test their theory. It means that they took a sample from a human and added it to usually diseased monkey kidney cells, which were then starved of nutrients and dosed with kidney-toxic antibiotics, and when the cells start to die, they point and say, "see, the cells die because of the virus" but they don't bother to do a control experiment with every step except the actual human sample. So how exactly do they know what is killing those cells? I don't know. I can't find anyone who can really defend this method or respond to the specific critique, other than "a virus needs a cell to replicate." Okay, but that is just the part where it's making copies, does the virus exist outside of the cell? It would have to according to their model because how else does the "virus" pass between cells and between people?
2) we took pictures - but again, the process involved in taking those pictures is to put the results of step one through further insults with alcohol, chemicals and resin, to dry it out then form it into a block, slice it really thin and then bombard it with electrons. What they're taking a picture of is clearly dead, but if they haven't separated out the specific particle they are claiming is a virus before taking a picture (like, ever) how the heck do they know what a "virus" particle even looks like? They just look for something they think fits the bill and add an arrow. How do they know what that specific arrow is pointing at? The result of the METHOD of taking those pictures seems very destructive and likely doesn't represent what actually happens to live tissue inside a body. Again, I can't find a decent rebuttal to a logical critique.
3) we have the genome sequenced - but again, the METHOD of puting the results of step one in a blender to then take out millions of tiny pieces of genetic code and use a computer program to splice them back together. But again, if they've never separated out the particles and sequenced them whole, what the heck is the computer program constructing? And how do they know which particles are from a "virus" versus the rest of whatever the human coughed up and whatever else is in the soup?
Now, if these are invalid critiques, why are they invalid? Why won't anyone address them? What questions should I be asking? Most of the defenders of virology don't even bother to understand these issues at all, I think because of the militant wing of team NAV that makes asking basic questions seem like crazy talk.
The whole question of whether any disease can be passed between humans has logical critiques as well, but it's so ingrained in the paradigm, most people can't even think outside of it in order to genuinely question it. It's a really basic assumption that appears to be unquestionable. And I don't think any assumptions are beyond question.
The notion that viruses (and other "germs") don't exist is just so patently absurd that I've dismissed it out-of-hand, right along with flat-earth nonsense.
Now is a healthy body & immune system less susceptible to disease caused by germs? Yes, I'm sure it is. So the "terrain" should not be ignored, but the fact that terrain preparation is useful doesn't mean that the germs or viruses don't exist or don't cause disease.
The notion that an inanimate object can fly from person to person, break cell barriers, replicate itself and cause a disease in that individual is so patently absurd that I've dismissed it out-of-hand.
See what I did there?
Diseases cannot be caused by toxins, chemicals, poisons, stress, lack of nutrients.. they can only be caused by an invisible flying particle.. right?
The fact that yawning is contagious, means it's caused by a virus. Obviously!
They argue that viruses cannot make people ill. When you provide examples of communicable diseases breaking out in populations, they dismiss this out of hand, saying it must have been something else. Anything else.
They cite one experiment where scientists tried to infect people by injection and constant exposure but it failed. When you mention that the immune system is complicated and human bodies differ, that mere exposure is not the only factor, they ridicule and call names.
Because you subscribe to germ theory, they say, you must not believe that poisons or malnutrition exist.
They accuse you of promoting the clot shots by not agreeing with and promoting their views.
It reminds me of arguments made by flat earthers.
I've been curious about terrain theory as opposed to germ theory. Thanks to the comments here I know enough.
Let’s say there are viruses. Are there upper respiratory viruses? Just because some are BS does not mean all are. And visa versa. Some might be real. Some might not.
infiltrating message boards with users talking about bizzare things is a long-established tactic that was used during a previous biolab disaster, Morgellons. At that time the fake users were talking about aliens, trying to derail the conversation and distract users from finding the origin, causes and cures for the disease. Polluting the biotech / medical science discussions with something bizarre also serves to erase the credibility of the real people discussing the issue. There are $$$ people with things to hide and a bottomless intent to deceive.
They actually tried the Aliens topic a couple times during Covid, didn't really distract international discussion. Then there was the snake venom thing.
Yep, old tactic. Try to peel off as many viewers as possible by postulating something outrageous yet plausible to get them into a hamster wheel where they will no longer take in new or opposing information. Then tar the remaining objectors with the 'crazy' brush because of the psyop introduced nonsense. I've seen this in motion since at least 911.
As I read some of the comments, I recognize the “virus brainwashing” is still deep that even questioning the theory triggers such vile reaction. It’s similar to telling a devout religious person that his or her God does not exist or is not what they think it is.
It's not harmless, as it makes sane and sensible people asking real questions about the virus and vaccines look like a bunch of fucking loons, who don't even believe in viruses.
Rabies. Terrain theory does not exclude the idea of viruses or germs. The psy op folks want to demonize terrain theory because healthy people don’t buy drugs.
Viruses exist but they don’t behave the way they tell us, they’re necessary personal garbage cleaners and not contagious. That’s how I understood it. It took me awhile to wrap my head around it and I heard of this theory a few years before Covid-1984 hit us. I work in a very large elderly home with 350+ elderly, ages ranging from 78-107, surely they were sitting ducks, canaries I’m the coal mine but I didn’t see a single Covid illness/death the entire time. And before the tests rolled out many of us workers had various coughs that no one was sent home for. Before the injections rolled out I had one death with respiratory symptoms but noted that she got a bad case of shingles post her shingles vaccine and went downhill fast after that, she had an icky congested cough but we didn’t treat her like she had Covid and her death certificate didn’t say Covid. I’m at the age that the shingles vax is being pushed on me but because I’ve noticed that nearly everyone I know that has gotten it gets a bad reaction AND a bad case of shingles...many on the face. I had decided I would forego the vax because why get it if it makes you sick AND you still get shingles. Anyway, I started thinking about some of my experiences with the flu and recall that my young son never caught my flu’s and vice versa. I was a single parent and had to care for him regardless. Also, I have worked as a nurse for 18+ years and have been face to face with TB positive people (before knowing their diagnosis in the ER) the ER doctors wouldn’t even bat an eye as they say they’ve had too many encounters of TB+ patients who’ve coughed in their faces. Alarming, considering they teach us you must isolate/quarantine them if contacting them. But, do you know how many TB+ peeps live among us? In SF, it’s a lot! Anyway, I’m nobody and certainly not a genius but I wonder why I can work among sick people and have not caught anything. I wonder how humans can exist despite the dangerous viruses among us.
Hey there Nurse Christine. . . Interesting observations. I'm wondering too. Last year tonight, we hosted 37 people at our home for a presentation on Survival Skills. 20 of the attendees and the presenter came down with the bioweapon (it was not a flu, virus, cold for my husband or me...it was the strangest 'thing' we've experienced and we were out for a month - me on oxygen for most of the month). How did more than 1/2 of the people get it at the same time, when the other 1/2 did not? PS - we did not share food at this presentation. A month after we recovered, we got blood tested to check our CON-vid antibodies and mine were off the charts. What the fuck did we have? And how did so many get it at once? xo Hope to see you soon.
I have no idea. I’m not a scientist…not even close. I’m trying to wrap my head around so many things that have come to my attention during this plandemic that it seems to get more convoluted as time goes on. I too got “the bioweapon” that wasn’t a true flu or even a respiratory illness. I assumed I “caught” it from my BF who “caught” it 3 days before me. Looking back, who knows if my mind was set on becoming symptomatic or if I really did catch something. Ended up sicker for longer than my BF, too. He had a runny nose and mild temp for one day whereas I had a raging headache, sore throat, moderate temp with chills and major brain fog and pounding heart rate. I did not feel concerned about this illness since I’ve had far worse illnesses to compare from. I think we are extremely complicated organisms and we are saturated by many stressors that maybe we will never fully understand but one things for sure that I no longer trust the medical system and I definitely don’t trust our government. ❤️
I’m wondering how many of the 20 were taking prophylactic IVM? Or anything In comparison to those who remained well? Ages? How much emf are people exposed to? How many are exposed to the shedders? I suppose I also shed, or have shed, since I was duped (and coerced) into taking 2 nasty jabs.
There’s so many questions to be asked that I wonder why the experts aren’t trying to figure this stuff out. Well, we know why….$.
OMG, another Virus Pusher digging in to an untenable position. Good luck with that!
Pro tip: May need a bigger shovel.
Hey, if you believe that viruses exist, would you be interested in a couple cases of Unicorn Repellent? I can get you a wholesale price.
Or maybe you'd be interested in my new book: "The Migratory Routes of the Western Jackalope"?
I personally THANK GOD for Dr Andrew Kaufman, because he's the guy who basically convinced me, using very simple logic. And then I found Dr. Tom Cowan. And Dr. Amandha Dawn Vollmer. Then Tom Barnett.
Then I discovered people like Jon Rappoport, Dr Kevin Corbett, Dr. Stefan Lanka, David Crowe, and Eleni Papadopoulos-Eleopoulos/The Perth Group had figured out The Great Virus Swindle 30 years ago!!!
Not enough people would listen back then.
But plenty of people are listening now!
According to Steve Kirsch's own poll, 31% (1 in 3) of HIS OWN AUDIENCE don't believe his BS about viruses! That is a HUGE PERCENTAGE!!! In 2019, it would have been 0.01% (1 in 10,000) or less.
So for some reason, the Perth Group, et. al., could never get the momentum going back then. The truth has been known that long!
But they are listening now. And so many great people have joined the fight: Eric Francis Coppolino (Planet Waves-- possibly the world's greatest authority on the PCR "test"), Christine Massey, MSc and her FOI responses from 200 institutions in 40 nations, NONE OF WHICH can find any evidence that this alleged "virus" has ever existed, anywhere on the planet, outside of an in-silico, computer model.
Then add Mike Stone (viroLIEgy), Dawn Lester and David Parker ("What really makes us Ill?"), Kate Sugak (filmmaker), Mike Wallach (filmmaker), the amazing Steve Falconer (Spacebusters), Alec Danny Zeck, ...
OMG! How could I forget Drs. Mark and Sam Bailey, from New Zealand!? A powerhouse. These dynamic duo produce some of the highest quality work available. Sam's videos are funny, and engaging, and most of all, smart. And Mark is there behind the scenes doing a lot of the deep dives into the scientific literature.
...Each and every one of these beautiful people brings something new and unique to the table.
There is an EXPLOSION OF DOUBT happening now, a "Paradigm Shift" exactly defined by Kuhn.
We have a sh1t ton of anomalous data now, portending a massive and rare earth-shattering 7.0-scale paradigm shift, and that is from exposing a 150 year old swindle, which has grown to dominate our lives, own our governments.
This swindle is fixin' to be dismantled.
You Virus Pushers are on a Sinking Ship.
I would suggest that you start looking for an ESCAPE ROUTE,
e.g., a Life-Boat, or at least a Personal Flotation Device.
What a ridiculous post Igor. I thought you were better (or at minimum smarter) than this. You found some irrelevant sub stack that none of the most main no-virus voices are even aware of so this MEANS it is a psyop? Please explain away the obvious no sequitur logical fallacy here.
I cant help but think the evidence of a psyop being one person that alleges it is is a psyop is akin to the evidence of particles unable to be found in a human host is different dying culture with stuff added to make the culture die.
Why dont you actually converse with some of the no virus team. There is only 20 or so of them with a profile.
Lets also get straight. They are REFUTING A THEORY based on insufficient evidence. NOT providing a new theory. And guess what.... we all got chickenpox, as im sure you are aware, is not quite up to scientific scratch to show viruses exist.
Their evidence for refutation is clear and simple. Maybe tackle that instead of simply appealing to your base that will all ignore the glaring logic omissions you have made simply to tell themselves they are still on the right side.
When they can’t argue with the FACTS, they will shame and ridicule the PERSON. It’s a classic ad hominem technique. People are far more afraid of being ridiculed and shamed than searching for and expressing truths.
If it is a psyop, are eminent doctors who have studied this stuff for years and came to the conclusion that viruses don't exist in on the scam? Are they all de facto charlatans, peddling snake oil? Or, maybe, they are on to something, something that needs further study well beyond back and forth discussions on Substack.
The whole thing was shoehorned in with the therefore the clotshot was useless. It was an attempt to package the anti-shot crowd with these idiots and by doing so discredit the anti-shot crowd as nut jobs. It was a failure because of people like yourself and the others you mention. A hat tip to you and them sir.
Viruses are a myth. A boogeyman. A mistaken belief system that serves no one but pharma and the medical complex. Virology is the modern version of phrenology. A broken belief system supported by pseudoscience which is clear to anyone who actually takes the time examine and critically appraise the published journal articles in the field. I say that as a free thinking person. If you disagree, that's fine with me. But this idea that the virus model MUST BE TRUE is absurd. Why must viruses exist - even though they cannot be found in human or animal bodies and the science of their "proof" doesn't meet the standards of a 7th grade science fair? This article is classic witch-hunting.
Wow. Really? This is some basic logic we are talking about here. There are a million reasons why people in the same place could get sick at the same time. Let me throw your logic back at you. If you assert that "demons" make people sick and are contagious, and then I say demons don't exist, why on earth would you reply back "but i got sick right after my friend, so demons MUST exist." This is ABSURDLY BAD LOGIC. The only reason it passes out of people with a ticking brain cell is that folks have been virtually hypnotized into this absurd superstition. It's just flabbergasting that people who are intelligent enough to sign up for a substack authorship are still foggy enough in their logic to ask questions as baseless as this. I don't mean any offense by that. Honestly, I am just trying to sort of linguistically shock you out of this hypo-thinking. Let me try another tack. I read that you are a mathematician, how does your logic stand up in a geometric proof? But let me say this, not ONLY is this the kind of insanely simplistic and logically flawed question i am constantly dealing with, it is THIS LEVEL of THINKING that forms the ENTIRE FOUNDATION OF THE FIELD OF VIROLOGY. I kid you not!
To answer your question a bit more directly - there are many many reasons why you and your friends may have gotten sick at similar times in similar places. Many of them can answer your question without any appeal to contagion. Others can appeal to contagion, but have no need to appeal to viruses. As to the ACTUAL reason you got sick, man, how on earth do you expect me to know why YOU got sick on such and such day in such and such place, as well as why YOUR FRIEND got sick on such and such day in such and such place. That's totally hilariously absurd. Maybe you all drank from the same polluted tap water. I have NO idea. There are a thousand reasons why you could have gotten sick. But I am glad you are on your way to thinking about all of this!
A blog link does not qualify as scientific evidence. The final stage of the scientific method is to ensure that the predicted results are reproducible by several independent experimenters with properly performed experiments. Please post the experiments.
Nope, you’re going to have to do the work here. I’ve led hundreds of horses to this spring, step by step to show them the “proof” of gnm, they just stop talking and go away (very quietly, without a fuss). Nothing changes, until they’re ready. The verifications, logic, and independent proofs are in that link. Yes there are still unanswered questions and new horizons to explore from these discoveries. Id be happy to bounce off ideas if you have any questions or criticisms. But that requires learning the newly discovered biological laws and the basic premises at least. What will you get out of doing this? You’ll get the first reliable answer to the age old question about disease causality that predicts diseases before they occur (like any other natural science investigating phenomena should be able to do) and without statistical guess work. Some people don’t see the relevance of that statement, and that’s fine.
For what it’s worth..my wife and I raised three boys. We have searched our memories whether either of us have been sick at the same time. My wife remembers once. I can’t recall any times. However viruses tend to emerge during abrupt weather changes. When this happens our biome has to change its basic functioning. If I eat a lot of dairy and then weather turns cold and damp dairy might not be the best thing. So my already phlegm ridden body does what it is supposed to and rids itself of the accumulation. Ergo families who eat the same thing might tend during weather changes to cleanse together. In my wife’s and my case we actually eat a lot of different foods. Which might be why we don’t cleanse together. I’m not saying this disproves viral theory but it might be one mechanism why contagion seems to happen from one to another. It could be too when one person cleanses, ie sneezes/coughs etc this causes others to inhale this and this triggers a sympathetic cleansing response. It might also be every body produces substances which cause it to cleanse undigested junk periodically. These agents that cleanse might be passed on to others through symptoms. All of that could be part of what is ‘contagious’. When I’m fact it is not contagion at all and if one didn’t need cleansing nothing would get passed on.
why did some not react at all, and why would some get sick later?
what's up with 4 days that you are so hang up about that?
Didn't you read the earlier reply from Michael Wallach?
He explained in quite detail the flawed reasoning you have on this..
Oh, I got sick around same time with a few of my coworkers.. it must be a virus!
No, dummy, it doesn't have to be a virus, there are a gazillion of other possible reasons, but if you just go and assume there is a 'virus' without proper investigation, you will never know what it was.
You have exact same type of reasoning as religious people: they don't know how/why some natural phenomena occurs, so it must be God! God did it, problem solved!
In your case, it was a virus, problem solved, why bother finding out the real cause?
In college, I would often fall sick hours after turning in my last end-of-semester exam. It reminds me of the bakery example. (The more conventional explanation is that the stress of the semester or exam week keeps cortisol high, which suppresses the immune system. When the stress goes, the immune system wakes up and starts attacking the viruses lying in wait, which produces the symptoms. But I now find that explanation hard to credit.)
I have seen housemates with differing schedules and stress levels catching a cold from one of their co-habitors. Stress is generally a contributing, not an initiating, factor.
It’s not “stress” as much as an unexpected biological shock that lasted for some time then resolved leading to the restoration symptoms. The shock actually imprints in the part of the brain controlling the specific afflicted organ, and this imprint can be seen on a computer tomography scan. So it’s a new falsifiable science of medicine that explains (and predicts) disease symptoms. It hasn’t been falsified (only ridiculed), and for thousands of people now, it’s been affirmed with brain scans and all. New paradigm is upon us.
You’ve stated that your illness was the cause of your coworkers’ illness but how would you prove causation? Or is this only correlation? Could simply being exposed to the same environmental toxins cause all the illnesses? Are you aware there is no scientific proof of contagion and every study that sought to prove it failed? Every. Single. One. Are we just going to throw out the scientific method if it doesn’t confirm our biases?
I have had colds during periods of isolation from other human beings. The last 3 years I have made every effort to mix with other humans and have failed to ‘catch’ even the mildest cold let alone convid.
You're acting like you haven't gotten thousands of valid responses to this very question before 😜 You have every right to stick to the belief that you infected your coworkers with a virus. The fear of getting sick is far more contagious. We just had to let unreliable COVID tests take care of the rest...
a “virus” to make you and others ill, they’re literally dozens if not hundreds of potential causes. It’s crucial to understand the logic of correlation not implying causation.
Listen to Dr. Mike Yeadon among others. He was open minded enough to dive into this rabbit hole and honest enough to recognize and speak about the underlying problems with standard viral theories.
So while yes, viruses as currently described in standard texts do nicely explain our lived experiences, there is still an underlying flaw, a pretty big one, in viral science.
It is possible that they are a bit different than we think, and that they can be transmitted or "triggered" by other mechanisms than direct contact, and that our cells, under certain circumstances, can actually produce what we call "viruses" themselves.
I think we need to consider Rupert Sheldrake, Nikola Tesla, and Wilhelm Reich in all our studies of Biology.
We perhaps don't understand everything in Nature as well as we assume we do!
The problem I have with the "viruses don't exist" hypothesis is that they (Cowan, etc.) say that there is no such thing as contagion & that diseases are caused by toxins or nutritional deficiencies. As Igor pointed out, most of us have experiences of getting sick from others. Contagion is obvious, maybe viruses don't cause illness, but something does.
Let's flip that around.
How do you explain that someone can be around people who are constantly sick from a purported virus, in direct contact with them for extended periods on a daily basis over the course of two years no less, and that person never gets sick.
We call it immunity.
So how is that the virus is able to impact every single one of these people, repeatedly in fact, except this one person. We are also talking about the most deadly, transmissible and long-lasting virus in human history.
This has been going on for two and a half years.
Does this one person have superpowers or some insane immune system or is it blind luck?
Is it possible there is something else going on?
My grandmother is 94. Sharp as tack. Very social. Never wore a mask and didn't get the injections.
She also never received any vaccines in her life.
She never had covid.
I wonder if it's other vaccines that perhaps weakened people's immune system?
The quadrivalent "flu" vaccine was rolled out in 2019.
I believe that is an avenue worth exploring.
However the reality is that there would have been no excess deaths whatsoever in March/April 2020 had it not been for policy changes in nursing homes and hospitals that directly caused that spike in deaths.
Vaccines ABSOLUTELY weaken the immune system! And they are full of toxins. When you are walking around with a huge body burden of mercury, aluminum, and other "nasties" your immune system is definitely depressed.
But to see the results in children of immune system harms from vaccination, look at Dr. James Lyons Weiler's peer reviewed study of Dr. Paul Thomas's pediatric practice, or the Guinea-Bissau study showing little girls that are vaccinated dying at much higher rates than the unvaccinated, or The Control Group Litigation's Survey of Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed.
Everywhere you look the unvaccinated are vastly healthier.
And the Lazarus study of Harvard Pilgrim Health Care showed less than 1% of vaccine adverse events make it into VAERS.
We are killing ourselves and our children with this practice which has never been proven either safe or effective!
People's immune systems are being weakened by modern life.. Some people are gifted at birth with powerful immunity and some get it by lifestyle.
My kids are the only people I know that have not had Covid. They are not vaccinated with anything, except my son until he was 4 months old (and his reaction to vaccines woke me up). I do think that their untouched immune systems help them repel a lot of viruses that make others sick. I also tried to infect them with chicken pox when they were young (an MD couple I knew invited me over so that my kids could catch it from their very spotty kids). Nothing.
Possibly the annual flu vaccine may have driven some ADE.
Ryan,
I concur. My dad lived to 99 was sharp. NEVER took any vacc's. Ever that I know of. Ate pretty healthy, but not all that concerned. Mom, on the other hand, died at 83, ate SUPER healthy, gardened all the time, but DID get some flu shots, how many, I'm guessing at least ten in her life.
She suffered "hot flashes" all her post menapausal life, and got breast cancer, and had some pituitary gland growth issue as well. Poor lady. I'm now beginning to be not so puzzled by this. I'm of the mind to agree with many docs and nurses who "know" that the vacc. campaign to stick every person multiple times, is just a means to make people sick and prone to their "care" while bilking the ins. co.s at the same time.
Thanks for your post,
Ray
ABSOLUTELY! Vaccines destroy the immune system. Tons of evidence.
Exploding autoimmunity in the children as vaccine schedules ballooned from 5 to 72 . Exploding cancer rates in the vaccinated.
Read Dr. Sherrie Tenpenny. Go to the High Wire and ICAN. Read Children's Health Defense's "Vaccines, Gateway Drugs by Design?" Read Dr. James Lyons Weiler's Study of Dr. Paul Thomas's pediatric practice----conclusion, "The unvaccinated simply do not get sick!" Finally, spend a little time with the Control Group Litigation's Survey Study. You will never be blind to the truth of vaccines ever again.
YES. Absolutely. VACCINES are made by mad scientists. Just look at the ingredients to some and ask yourself...WHERE DID THEY COME UP WITH THEM FROM? A seer? A card reader? An LSD trip? A dream? The "holy spirit"? The DEVIL? Why are OBVIOUS toxins in them? Isn't PEG a TOXIN? Isn't mercury a TOXIN? The questions that arise in my questioning mind are endless.
Your grandmother has what is sorely lacking in the population today...common sense and a belief in her own health and apparently a skepticism in western medicine. She's living proof of the validity of keeping the balance of body, mind and spirit. God bless her.
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Yup. Me, too.
Yes. Not so much weakened it, but the other vaccines were TOXIC and the toxin is still in the victims.
How do you know your grandmother had "Covid"? On the basis of a ridiculous PCR test? Or was it just their idiotic supposition?
Believe it or not many people have a mucosal resistance and the virus never has a chance to replicate. Stopped at the front door. That immunity varies by individual. See UK Challenge Study (https://doi.org/10.1038/s41591-022-01780-9).
I try to avoid respiratory infections via mouth/nose sanitation like was done eons ago. I use a dilute Betadine solution other do fine with simple salt. So very odd our masters of public health can't be bothered to do a PSA. Doctors, some of them, say it works.
Or don't cut all your nose hairs out. I truly believe that helps. It is the first barrier.
And wash your mouth out people.
I recently discovered this nasal spray...and have been really impressed. I usually struggle with fall allergies, but have been completely fine since I started using this daily. It is a saline spray with xylitol and grapefruit seed oil...my understanding is that it coats the mucosal lining preventing allergens (as well as bacteria and viruses) from causing an issue. I can’t remember where I read that they used it it in the placebo arm of some of the trials for covid and discovered it’s got some efficacy against viral infections...anyway, thought I’d share, I’ve been really impressed.
https://xlear.com/xlear-sinus-care/
I never got covid. Hell, I stopped getting flu ONCE I STOPPED getting flu shot.
Ill send a link in a second
Look at me... I'm an animal. When some alarming news comes in, I just stare at my gorilla pecs for comfort
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yuhWD_N1VNI
I offered hugs to people in 2020 to mock covid😎😎😎😎😎 if nobody thinks you're funny but you...
My only illnrss... Bad headaches after arguing with people on internet that have no logic
Likewise....
SARS-Cov-2 is transmissible, but no more dangerous than influenza for 95% + of the population. Kids don't even know they have had it and they have built immunity! Our friends and family died from endless fear porn, dropping immune system function, house arrest in toxic cities, missing standard medical check ups and all human healthy activities, isolation, lack of vitamin D, toxic flu shots, cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and influenza, all aggravated to lethal levels by medical nihilism, with the final death blow delivered by Remdesivir and a Ventilator. The last two will kill anyone who is not as strong as a bull elephant, but is guaranteed lethal for a SARS-Cov-2 patient. Pull up "Hello My name is Spartacus, and I have had Enough," using DuckDuckGo as your search engine.
This stellar piece has been vetted by the FLCCC and looks to be completely accurate by all my understandings.
These hospital protocols were the equivalent of the Nazi Trains to the Death Camps for our elderly and frail, and for African Americans, who have chronically low levels of vitamin D, high levels of diabetes, obesity, and other "co-morbidities" for "Covid."
Really hear Dr. Mike Yeadon and Dr. Lee Merritt out. We didn't even need a new, dangerous respiratory virus for the deaths in hospital we experienced. American's underlying ill health plus the "Protocols" were all that was genuinely required.
Now the killer quackzine is dropping the young and healthy, and wreaking havoc worldwide as every nation that forced this experiment on their people are witnessing "unexplained" excess death rates, frequently much higher than those during the "pandemic!" Where this is going no one but the "Perps" really knows, yet universities and medical establishments all over the United States are still forcing them on the young and healthy, with immunity, no less! This is completely criminal and lethal behavior.
It is DEMOCIDE.
The Governments are killing the people.
Yes they are - how do we stop it? Even De Santis signed something that has embedded in it that they can inject (without permission) a person if there is declared an emergency and it is in the best interest of the state.
"SARS-Cov-2 is transmissible, but no more dangerous than influenza for 95% + of the population."
That sounds like it's straight out of a newspaper article... How exactly do you know this? Everything else I've been seeing you say makes sense, except that. SARS COVII is a Bio-weapon, it's patented! Why/how would/could anyone patent something that a) is already a threat, even if it's not very dangerous, and b) they have clearly tampered with, or why would it be PATENTED at all?
Okay, you want to keep believing in evil, invisible attackers from Hell that fly up your nose, but not when you're SITTING DOWN in a restaurant, that's okay, but ... naw. I think you're smarter than that.
I think so - that's why I introduced the idea of 5G and whatever they are spraying in the environment. MOST of the 5G was deployed after people were sent home the last 2 years. They also stepped up the spraying. I recently read that MOST of the problems are happening in the west because of what they are spraying that dries up water, delays rain, etc. I have seen it happening around us and we've had the hottest, least rainy year that I remember in the 14 that we've lived in our coastal MS home. To me, there is no other explanation. Also, around the time they were spraying here, most of my family living in other states got sick, too. I had the "virus" twice (undiagnosed but all symptoms) but got it again in August - no doubt - same time everyone else came out with it, too. I don't know, I'm not a scientist - but I can think and see what's happening with our environment and it's not good. That people are allowing it all is what astounds me. Again, I knew something was wrong when they made a new "environmental division" to Wall Street right after sending everyone home. THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO MESS WITH OUR ENVIRONMENT - but BIDEN has signed that they may. The Usurper and his administration has said that climate experiments may be allowed.
I think you're definitely in the ballpark... There a lot that we don't "KNOW," but there's also a lot of clear evidence of fuckery that anyone could put together and come up with a theory... And so there are theories, some that seem more reasonable than others, but the more facts we have, the more some of these theories seem sound. Something like a new "environmental division" to Wall Street sure sounds *interesting* to me...
And I absolutely agree: These arrogant people, doing things they HAVE NO RIGHT to do, like messing with the environment... They should be in prison, in my view. But as long as people a) can't figure out what's going on, b) can't believe it when it becomes CLEAR what's going on, and c) can't get themselves in gear to DO something about what's going on when it's shown to be going on, tells me that there is a large percentage of the population that just WON'T LIFE A FINGER to do anything about much of anything until it threatens their life, their stuff, or their kids...
We're still seeing people getting jabs for their kids, so... The tide is turning, but it's a Slow Fricken Turn.
That healthy person may be a witch.
1692 was a very good year....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx8keLopGIM
LOL!
"We are also talking about the most deadly, transmissible and long-lasting virus in human history."
Are you talking about SARS2?
I always use scare quotes or "alleged" before "SARS-CoV-2."
The internet doesn't do nuance in speech.
Some people have fewer Ace2 receptors than others and this virus enters the body via Ace2. Certain races have more of these receptors so your ancestry has some influence on this. Certain things block the virus which was not highly publicized, but things like nicotine or taking high blood pressure medicine (Ace2 inhibitors) were actually protective. What really bothered me was I was taking elderberry weekly as a preventative for flu and yet that did not block the new covid virus from getting me down in Dec 2019 before it was known in the US. I later tested positive for antibodies is how I know I had it, plus also the fact that I had Covid Toes and endothelial damage.
Nicotine blocks Ace2 receptor. But it also upregulates Ace2.
Tested how? The PCR?
Just imagine, for a second: What if "Covid" is actually poisoning from EMF's?
Flu viruses? Been around since the beginning of time, until wuflu came along and totally eradicated the flu.
We went from averaging about 30,000 deaths per year in the last decade to almost 0. Why do you think that is?
Well that's an easy one- I wrote this in April 2020:
https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2020/04/29/against-the-corona-panic-pt-vi-where-has-the-regular-flu-gone-the-cdc-reports-unprecedented-crash-in-non-covid-flu-positives-raising-questions/
And:
https://healthfreedomdefense.org/where-did-the-flu-go/
what's going on is that this person hasn't damaged his gut and all of the others have.
Those are my thoughts exactly, especially given that many people are ending up with "sepsis."
Aren't you describing contagion in all of these other people?
Yes, If you watch this you will gain some insight. Clue: it has to do with yeast or ecoli in the body.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/GTjwSyhXS7rV/
Yes.
Because that person has been exposed and has immunity. Pretty simple stuff.
How is a 'virus' able to infect same person multiple times (when it supposedly got immunity after the first infection), but another person cannot infect even once?
Yeah, right ..
Sorcery.
VAXX Bio Weapon
"Virus" = bioweapon, too.
IT'S A BIOWEAPON!! I know you understand that or you wouldn't have put it in quotes. People are lab rats right now.
The only bioweapon is the vaxx.
The 'virus' is smoke and mirrors. Only exists inside the TV..
Exactly! Maybe because this one is not "real virus"?
Shock horror!
WAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!
Oh, it's EVIL, and... determined. ;) It has a MIND, an EVIL mind.
I was breathing hard and sweating there trying to remain polite with Isabel, did you see her remark?
What if you knew that all of those other people had been swimming in a pool of toxic sludge each day but that one person was not doing this.
Would that still be a case of "immunity?"
You are trying to prove your case by using hypotheticals, which is impossible to refute (or prove). Observation suggests that there are many different factors influencing whether a person gets sick or not. The presence of an agent of contagion (perhaps a "virus" or some bacteria) does seem to be a factor.
It is not possible to avoid the pool of toxic sludge that we all live in. So your argument is irrelevant.
You call it that, but not as a result of science. You call it "immunity" because it fits your narrative. Don't be afraid to QUESTION, even your OWN narrative. THAT is science.
300 colds in your lifetime . Why no increased immunity to them . In fact they older you get the worse they get. in most cases a cold / flu takes you out in the end
Because colds and flus are inflammation (because of differences in temperatures, etc) and/or detox processes (because of toxins that built up in the organism).
The more toxins you get, the more severe the detox process it is.
There's no viruses to build immunity against.
There's a clarity in what you say here.
Plus, it seems really weird that a family doctor sees more reality in an invisible virus than in a measurable toxic substance that could be affecting a patient. Low dose toxic poisoning is essentially poopooed; only lethal poisoning seems to get anyone's attention. One has to go outside conventional medicine for the miracles rendered through detox programs.
I recently listened to a Dr. Lee Merritt presentation about the 1918 "Spanish flu" and it was fascinating: That illness might have been blown out of proportion over time for pharma propaganda purposes. And two things might have been making people ill in that general era -- reactions to faulty inoculations given to soldiers during world War I and the proliferation of new electrical/telegraph lines which were only later made to better direct the flow of energy in as safe a manner as possible. That is, EMF illness may have been in the mix of human illnesses as technology was initiated and the human organism struggled to adapt. Information like this indicates that the story of human illness and human ability to adapt may be more interesting, fascinating, complex and mind-blowing than the rut in the science road repeated with the singular virus/contagion/immunity/vaccination mantra ENFORCED on society for decades. I think Science should operate a Big Tent and any system which tries to limit Science to a single paradigm should be questioned vigorously and loudly.
At 72 my worst cold was my first semester living on a college campus when I was 21. Not many since then. The flu? Rare, and often wonder if at times what I thought was the flu was some form of food poisoning. The last time I had an undisputed flu was about 12 years ago when a housemate decided to get a flu vax, got sick immediately, and made the rest of us in the house all sick with it, too. I'd call that an experience of "shedding" for sure.
It hasn't been my experience that growing older equates with increased illness. So, I don't think an older person is a sicker and sicker person.
Hah hahh--!! That's pure bullshit.
Fuck off, troll
I call it a "conclusion" based on conjecture. These threads are so hard to follow! This was to Marius' comment....
Funny thing is, the original meaning of the 'virus' word, was toxin..
Shoulda been "DE-toxin." ^_^ Those poor exosomes really got a bad rap! But what's clearly a HUGE CLUE is that exosomes are created BY THE BODY, they are the detoxers, not the CAUSE... Well, there it is. And so easy to pull the wool over everyone's eyes...
I like the word "exosome" because now "virus" has been utterly spoiled, after all these years of bs.
What's also interesting is how so many people study virology and somehow MISS the connection, MISS the nonsensical "virus theory" that is utterly bizarre... But then, look how many people think these masks are efficacious without ANYTHING to back that up. The FEAR that comes into people's eyes when I tell them masks don't work... And they get very condescending about me saying this... Oh, the human psychology is all about being RIGHT, because Oh, My Dog, if I'm wrong, maybe I'm wrong about a LOT of things... Now I have to go actually STUDY something!!!!!!!! ;)
Indeed. The argumentation offered for contagion is unfalsifiable. If someone nearby gets sick, it's taken as proof of contagion. If somene nearby doesn't get sick, it's explained as contagion plus immunity. Thie pattern is a sign of a pseudoscience, where the number of postulated entities rises as fast as the number of phenomena.
How much of the respiratory sickness was caused by all those XXXX masks worn for more than 8 hours at a time?
i find utterly disgusting that there exists a paper on the 2018 spanish flu
which fauchi co authored
and in it they all concluded that majority of deaths werent flu but actually bacterial pnuemonia - and theory is that extended mask wearing was the culprit
clown world indeed
I read that study a couple of years ago when it was first drawn to my attention. While it did conclude that many deaths were from bacterial pneumonia, I could find no mention of the pneumonia being related to mask wearing. It also did not conclude that the bacterial pneumonia was not a direct result of the flu.
This almost doesn't matter - I don't think the study matters all that much wrt either figuring out what happened with covid, nor with figuring out Tony Fauci's general character - there is plenty of other evidence for both arguments. Nevertheless - this is a (common) mischaracterization of that particular piece of evidence.
You would think that would be a pretty obvious question wouldn't you?
Not to mention the bacterial and fungal colonies that come wtih those obscene face coverings.
And how about the toxic fibers that make up those blue masks going into the lungs?
It's worth remembering that studies we have show no significant effect on respiratory diseases from mask wearing. If we are happy to accept those studies as proof that the requirement for masks is/was nonsense, we probably also should accept that they don't seem to cause a statistically significant increase in either infection or severity of respiratory disease either.
Bingo.
One of the things I find fascinating here is how it is accepted at face value (even as that narrative is fundamental to entities that intend harm and profit from that harm) that there is this one "thing", this virus, that is causing disease and death.
Yet these same people who make this claim when confronted with the "healthy person amidst the sick" go into an array of intricate descriptions as to how that person remained healthy.
The example I gave is not a theoretical one. It is a verifiable first hand account.
Another first-hand account is my own. From about 2015 to 2022, I never got sick despite trying. We have two kids. Whenever they were sick, I would increase my usual role of "Daddy vacuum cleaner" and eat up the leftover food on their plates, drink up their water glasses, take my own temperature straight after taking theirs, etc.
In early 2022, I felt terrible for a few days and stayed in bed. I don't know why for sure but attribute it to the complicated, year-long process of emigrating finally being mostly done, so I could relax and heal -- meaning perhaps detox -- from the stress of it.
some theorize the flu (or the condition associated with its symptoms) is a normal bodily function initiated when too much toxins accumulate within the body's cells from day to day life.
this would also explain why the symptoms follow a pattern with everyone. because the body follows a detox pattern of operation. and its the same for everyone almost
I applaud you for not blaming it to a 'virus'.
Many others would have done that..
Wrong... Good health can also be explained by lack of irritant/agent as well as immunity; you're making the dialogue up as you go, to fit your own biases. What you call pseudoscience uses much better logic and evidence than anything your or your germ-rejecting friends have yet provided.
Your post makes my point for me.
I had pointed out that, when someone else in a family gets sick, it's "explained" as -- really, just called -- contagion. When someone else in the same family doesn't get sick, it's "explained" as immunity (to explain why the alleged contagion didn't happen despite the same exposure). All bases are covered, which is characteristic of a pseudoscience.
Your post just repeats that base-covering argument. Calling it "better logic" just makes me wonder even more how sound the logic of virology is.
Don is a typical person who sees himself only in others. He needs us.
people don't always remember being healthy, but they always remember getting sick.
and this little nugget is what they use to fuel the fear that keeps this viral charade going...
Yes, never mind the fact that any time this has been scientifically scrutinized rather than simply anecdote as Dr John has provided, findings have come up bupkis (Rosenau for example and many more). Contagion exists in the narratives we create, certainly not the scientific literature
I agree with you Nick
Terrain ALSO exists meaning that you have a strong enough immune system, and/or are inoculated by previous exposures.
Which just happens to make virology utterly non falsifiable on the contagion front. Lucky that. As long as they can find the virus in human hosts though....oh wait.
More than one factor at play doesn't make this unfalsifiable, lol. Just more difficult to get a grip on than superficially looking at it.
I see, your exposure to remotely complex systems is nil.
I see you ran away. At least you're smart enough to know when you've been whipped. If you can progress to not saying stupid things with arrogant assurance you'll be doing even better.
Because both theories are valid? Or is this highlander and there can only be one?
Lol, good one!
Because all 3 are BS! BS! BS!
The three narratives that I alluded to previously
Well human challenge trials are underway with SARS-CoV-2 and people were readily infected when exposed.
I know I'm about to be pooh-poohed for saying this bc metaphysics has no place in a proper scientific debate, but I say more's the pity. In order for one to maintain proper health, there must be a balance of body, mind and yes, spirit. You must believe in the integrity of your God-given body as well as a trust in a benevolent Universe, that would like nothing more than for you to thrive and become a contributing individual. Therefore you are not at the mercy of all bacteria or viruses that science discovers or puts a name to! We trust too entirely in the manmade, allopathic medical system and given that Rockefeller money funded it and brutally shut down all other schools of medicine, it needs to stop. I am in my 40s and can count on one hand how many times I've been sick enough to stay home from work. Was it bc of a flu virus? Maybe, but the real reason for sickness was more likely an emotional or mental unbalance that resulted in the flu! Stress is always involved. But the sickness is merely a warning to get to the root of the problem. Return to balance and the illness will go away without vaccines or pharmaceuticals.
The Flu will go away, as your body repels it. Yes - boost your immune system, and do your best to stay strong...but every so often you're going to get sick... And there's really nothing in the allopathic pharma or vaccine world that actually works to prevent or treat the flu. Perhaps Ivermectin works on it - studies should be done. But much of the FLCCC and related protocols is things like vitamin D and Zinc + quercetin, NACL etc..
People have been getting the flu for a long time... Much longer than the admittedly pernicious Rockefeller influence has been around.
Exactly so - my question about all of this was, "Since when weren't people supposed to get sick?"
Yes, sickness predates the Rockefellers, for sure, but the reasons for it will always be an imbalance in the over all individual. Yes, of course people die of diseases, but it only mirrors the individual's unwillingness to correct the emotional, mental and even the physical reason, ie: smoking, junk food, lack of exercise etc.
Agree to disagree, then.
When I got Mononucleosis, I was doing great, living and surfing on O'ahu. I got it the standard way, by kissing a beautiful girl - who mentioned that she felt like she was catching a cold. It seemed 'worth the risk', at the time...
And no, I was living just as healthy as I did long before and long after. The Mono was pretty extreme, as 'colds' go - but it was limited to a time when I had direct contact with someone infected.
Catholic Church believes in scientific truth. Some Scientists reject that God can suspend laws He made... Like scientific laws.... They reject miracles, such as Fatina, Virgin of Guadalupe miracles etc.
I believe God suspends laws. Virgin of Guadalupe, Fatima. Oh, The Resurrection
You can't flip that around because not everyone is susceptible to whatever. For instance, if everyone eats from a buffet and 80% end up with the symptoms of food poisoning, you would conclude that the food must be contaminated even if 20% did not get food poisoning but ate the same food as everyone else ie. they didn't avoid the mayo, for instance. T
Howeve,r to the point brought up by Dr. John, if an outside person didn't know food could be contaminated, a situation such as the above could look as if there is a contagion spreading from person to person rather than from the food.
Food poisoning is usually caused by bacteria, unless it is some toxin like poisonous mushrooms, so that would still not be an acceptable analogy for those who believe there is no such thing as bacterial illness.
Innate immunity.
Pre-existing immunity.
General state of health.
Hydration.
General state of GI health.
Genetics.
How about Occam's razor: there's no virus to begin with, disease is caused by environmental factors (toxicity, etc)
There are contagious agents, and there are co-factors.
Please, show me the contagion experiment.
Every person almost gets sick once or twice a year. It might be ‘I’m a bit under the weather. I’m going to go to bed early tonight’ and it goes away. In BC we have 5 million people. Let’s say one sickness every two years but three other ‘under the weathers’ on average. So 10 million new sicknesses a year. However slight. That’s a lot of new diseases a year. But more so it’s 25-30,000 a day. Random number distribution would say it would not be evenly distributed throughout a year. We would see lots of day to day stuff. But we’d also see clumping. Which we then call ‘something is going around’. But it might be simply random distribution.
Why does "Not tonight, I have a headache" affect some husbands more than others?
That's not random distribution. That can be caused by a number of issues. BO? Adultress wife? Lousy Lover? This is a complex issue that requires a lot of study. It doesn't seem to be contagious....thank goodness.
And the number one answer is: Disparity in sex drives.
Right - my 18-year-old never got the Wuhan flu. Sinus? Yes - and much of that was either what was blooming or what they were spraying. Great immune system, thank God, and good habits (although he could use a bit more exercise).
They have a well functioning immune system. Could it be that easy? No leaky gut etc.
Maybe? If you note things happening in MANY cases, Autism and other things go with a leaky gut, something that I've observed as being a prominent issue with the older folks and many kids. Think their manipulation of formula for infants and then not giving good nutrition to older people are those influences? I breast fed our son for 2 years and he's very robust, thank God. When everyone else gets sick, he's usually the one making homemade chicken soup for them and tea. Also, I can honestly say that my older parents (80/86) didn't have many difficulties until they began eating out at fast food places - before they started that habit, were in VERY good health. I've been encouraging them to return more to eating closer to the vine and field and they are both doing better physically.
Absolutely. GMO, diet coke, glyphosate and many other things that are not actual food will ruin your gut, where 70% of your immune system resides. You don't want a leaky gut, leaky brain, leaky testies and other barriers of which there are many in your body.
Yes, forget Diet Coke. Plenty of fresh regular Coke, and especially Mexican Coke, is the best thing for you.
I know nothing about this topic and frankly don't have time.
Ii don't jump at new copnspiracy thepries... I don't disparage this one, but I tend to dismiss no virus statements.
So on quest why some don't get it...some acquire natural immunity. BUT some have badass immune system... Heard this only once. So they didn't acquire immunity.... They just piss on any diseases.. So no idea if true
I like reading about war. Close quarters fighting. Some guys cannot be killed
Maybe they have heighten immunity or are taking or doing something that blocked the spike protein. Maybe they have fewer Ace2 receptors so the virus can't bind to them. I got covid after my hairstylist coughed all over me. Though I oddly had avoided it a couple weeks prior when my family members had it. My homebound disabled neighbor got the virus somehow. I and another neighbor were the only people ever came into her home and she did not ever leave her home because she was physically unable to. So one of us had to have spread it to her.
And how did the neighbor do? Did they have the jabs?
The way it seems to spread in "waves," much like how they are turning on and off 5G is what makes me super suspicious? Also, what they are spraying in the atmosphere. WHEN in your childhood did you EVER see pink and orange skies other than at the sunrise or sunset place? It all looks too suspicious to me.
Either, 1) an undamaged immune system, (my mom never got sick and never went to a doctor, lol) or, 2) for a radically different take, speaking homeopathically, some people are actually too profoundly ill to "catch a cold or a flu," which is a natural detox on some level.
People who have had "disease processes" driven in very deeply, to the point of mental, emotional or spiritual "disease" are frequently surprisingly "well" physically.
It's actually a known phenomenon in medicine.
I’d still call that immunity. 80% of cases of wuflu were asymptomatic. A nurse might have had asymptomatic wuflu, developed immunity, and worked with the others with wuflu and never got reinfected because of immunity
So none of the others had immunity- not even one? We are talking about a few hundred other examples here.
We are also talking about this one person being considered the most "at risk" by all standard metrics. None of "immunity" explanations make any sense here.
BTW this is not a hypothetical example.
I agree - because it's like a cold - there IS no immunity, basically. There is only not getting as sick - and the best way is by having whatever it is and relying on your own immunological responses along with Ivermectin, HCQ and vitamins because if you do the jabs, that only gives you one aspect of the "virus" and it adapts and incorporates into your cells and makes you more vulnerable to not only that, but to whatever is in your body that could potentially take over and kill or weaken you.
Ever wonder why people used to live to 600 in the olden days?
"No Virus" is not a hypothesis. It is not a theory.
It is a REFUTATION of the Germ Hypothesis.
Dr. Kaufman says it best:
"We actually are not presenting a theory. Because a theory would purport to explain natural phenomena. What we are doing is refuting a theory. We haven't made a claim as to the cause of the disease. But there has been a claim made that there is a virus called SARS-CoV-2... and that [this virus causes] a specific disease.
What we are doing is refuting the evidence put forth to satisfy that claim, because it is extremely faulty and perhaps even fraudulent at some level."
-- Dr Andrew Kaufman, Testimony before the German Corona Committee 4 Feb 2022
https://odysee.com/@Corona-Investigative-Committee:5/Andrew-Kaufman-Stefan-Lanka-session-90-en:a
Indeed. The virus pushers love shifting the burden of proof onto anyone questioning them.
One of many problems with COVID theory is it seemed to be many diseases in one. What other disease affects twenty people in twenty different ways? Measles is measles. It isn’t mumps. Whooping cough is whooping cough. But COVID is whatever you want it to be.
There are other diseases that have different and diffuse symptoms in different people.
Not many. And it certainly isn’t my fault experience with seasonal colds.
Scratch ‘fault’
One man's or woman's meat is another man's or woman's poison. You can quote me on that. By the way, remember when they used to say sugar is bad for you. That's a joke. Seriously, since I gave up sugar, I've controlled 25% more territory and produced 26% more offspring.
Do you (or Kaufman, or ...) refute the claim that Moderna patented the 19-nucleobase strand that codes for the unique furin-cleavage site of the spike protein of both SARS-CoV-2 and the spike in the mRNA “vaccines” in 2013, and has been working on both the virus and the “vaccines” since 2015?
Do you (etc.) refute the claim that whether a death was caused by the “vaccine“ or the virus can be determined by staining tissue from a deceased body to detect the presence of SARS-CoV-2 spike protein and nucleocapsid protein, and if only spike protein and not nucleocapsid protein is detected it was the “vaccine“ and not you virus?
And, by the way, when is claiming an absence not a theory and when is it a theory? If I claimed there were holes in the road, would that be a theory in itself or a refutation of the theory that there is a road? Genuine question. I think what distinguishes what are commonly called theories and hypotheses is that they are conjunctions rather than disjunctions.
> Do you (or Kaufman, or ...)
I only speak for myself. If you want to know what someone else thinks, you'll have to ask them.
> refute the claim that Moderna patented the 19-nucleobase strand
Just because you see a budget line-item for "gain of function research" does not prove viruses exist. Just because you find a patent for a coronavirus or DNA strand, does not prove viruses exist
> that codes for the unique furin-cleavage site of the spike protein of both SARS-CoV-2
BS. SARS-CoV-2 has never been shown to exist. Therefore the "SARS-CoV-2 spike protein" is a fictional object.
> and the spike in the mRNA “vaccines”
I'm not sure that you understand how the "COVID Vaccines" claim to work.
The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are CLAIMED to be(*) mRNA viruses, which teach your cells how to manufacture the fictional "spike protein". The J+J and Astrazeneca "vaccines" are CLAIMED to be(*) adenovirus vector DNA vaccines, which again train your cells to manufacture the fictitious "spike protein". IN NEITHER CASE does anyone claim that these "vaccines" contain the fictitious "spike protein".
The only "vaccine" claimed to contain the fictitious "spike protein" is Novavax, which is claimed to be a "protein subunit" vaccine, also called a "dead virus" vaccine. However Novavax is not widely in use.
(* I don't believe it)
> Do you refute the claim that whether a death was caused by the “vaccine“ or the virus
There has never been any virus proven to EXIST. So I don't understand what you mean by "death was caused by the virus".
> when is claiming an absence not a theory
Refutation of Theory X to explain Phenomena Z is not a theory. It is a Refutation.
A theory purports to explain a natural phenomena. Sometimes I can prove "Theory X to explain Phenomena Z" is false, even if I don't know what the true cause of Phenomena Z is.
A theory explains something. They are refuting the explanation. They aren’t explaining the phenomena. They are merely saying ‘your idea doesn’t work for these reasons’.
In a large study in 1919, the US Army attempted to prove the contagion theory by injecting Spanish flu into healthy volunteers. The result was no one got sick. This was a far more extensive experiment than Igor's specious anecdotal conclusion that he got sick from merely being in the same room as someone who was already ill. Wasn't this dark authoritarian theory of contagion used to separate elderly people from their loved ones during the lockdowns? I think the "triggering mechanism" for the deaths of many of these elderly people was LONELINESS. A crime against humanity!
Precisely to what I referred - HOWEVER, we now know that there are THIRTY-SIX different (20 hepatic / serpentine, 15 conogastropodic / snail, and a type of starfish, German hedgehog, African bat so, at LEAST 38 then) VENINS incorporated into the synthetic 'novel' protein sequence that are EXCELLENT candidates for disease-state propagator.....
I'm not an expert on this, but perhaps it was only infectious through aerosol exposure, not injection.
And I'm supposed to shiver in my boots because they want me to be afraid of the big bad virus? F-ck them!
No, I didn't say that. Only that they may have tested with the wrong method of infection. There was an American cheese with the German sounding name of Leiderkrantz, which was originally created in 1891, as an American re-creation of Limburger cheese. I just found a source for its history which says that it was purchase by Borden in 1929, who owned it when I first remember eating it. A lot of this history I just discovered now on the Wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liederkranz_cheese
In 1981 a fire damaged the plant it was made at, and Borden sold it to another company who started producing it a few months later. This part I'm about to mention isn't in the Wikipedia article, but I remember at the time a news article about it. The new company mixed the culture into the batches when they tried to produce the cheese again, but it didn't come out right. They realized that it had to be cultured through airborne particles, so they smeared stock of the existing cheese on the walls of the factory, and that created the culture in the cheese they were producing. Back to Wikipedia-- However about four years later there was a bacterial contamination of some sort and they withdrew it from the market. The rights to the cheese and the cultures went through several ownerships, and I didn't realize till now that another company had started producing it again in 2010, after 25 years. Some doubted that the bacterial cultures would last that long, but apparently it worked. I used to like like the cheese--it wasn't as strong as Limburger and it had a unique flavor.
Isn't the traditional understanding of infection is that you end up inundated with a large viral load of pathogenic viruses? Even if we buy this theory of toxicity it does not appear that they tested the theory out with a large group of subjects and adequate controls. The so-called novel SAR-COV-2 virus was never linked to a myriad of sick people in the real world utilizing EM images. Anyway that's my impression. I would imagine to do so would jeopardize their entire theory and program. No the "pandemic" was 'certified" through the specious results of PCR tests that do not measure so-called infection.
That's what happened in the test subjects of mRNA in the past - when they came into contact with the stuff that had been injected into them, they died. They had no defense for anything that had mutated through the natural process.
I think they had no defense against the toxic poison mix that was injected to them.
There is no transmission from human to human as far as viruses go.
The priests in white robes can only make people sick with 'viruses' by injecting them with poison.
Go figure that..
The problem is the assumption of contagion. Back in the day widespread vitamin deficiencies were considered exemplars of contagion, until they weren't.
Pellagra (B3 niacin) is a prime example with its 4 D’s: Dermatitis, Diarrhea, Dementia, Death. Likewise on ships, scurvy afflicted all the sailors, with >50% dying on long voyages until the association was made between foods with vitamin C and the prevention of the deficiency disease.
Contagion remains a supposition until proved.
Yes.
"Until the discovery of pellagra's link with niacin, it was widely believed that the disease was an infection that could be transmitted from person to person."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19892133/ Handb Clin Neurol. 2010;95:445-76.
doi: 10.1016/S0072-9752(08)02130-1.
Chapter 30: historical aspects of the major neurological vitamin deficiency disorders: the water-soluble B vitamins. Douglas J Lanska
Absolutely. The pleiotropic role of vitamin D is well established.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4045445/
A central plank of the current phenomenon.
GOV funds the development, erases all liability and market risk (the latter by psy-ops and mandates), BigPharma scores utterly titanic profits, gratis, while politicians acquire the levers of control.
To use a cliché, 'what could possibly go wrong?'
A triumvirate of control: BigGOV, BigPharma, WEF.
Getting sick after being around someone else who was sick is not proof of contagion. Nice try!
OMG, there you are!!!!!!! I was trying to remember your name... So glad you're in this conversation! And glad you do what you do. You're one of my heroes. xo xo xo xo xo
Thank you :) xoxo
Thank YOU. ^_^
Woah. "Poisoning Christine ideation"?
That's sick man.
You sound like Steve Kirsch or Kevin McCairn.
Don't think that you can issue vague threats from behind a fake name.
If anything happens, we WILL get subpoenas and will expose your real identity.
Creep.
In other words, you have no science demonstrating contagion or any virus.
This is a death threat. We will be handling it as such.
The virus pushers are so indoctrinated, they will get offended if you question their beliefs.
For them is almost a religious pursuit, to punish the virus deniers..
I’m not sure if you have even listened to them closely. A lot of these folks don’t deny people label things they see as viruses. They are just of the opinion that these things are exosomes or cellular debris. They think it’s a different part of the disease progression and not the causative agent. It’s okay to disagree. It’s not okay to frame them as complete imbeciles.
>I’m not sure if you have even listened to them closely.
Are you speaking to me?
I'm sorry about your lack of clarity.
I have, BTW.
> A lot of these folks don’t deny people label things they see as viruses.
> They are just of the opinion that these things are exosomes or cellular debris.
You can point to a dot on an SEM photograph which seems to be a vesicle emitting from a cell, and say, "Look at that dot!!!!", and that's about all you can conclude.
But you cannot point to a dot on an SEM photograph and say, "that is a virus", without FIRST defining what you mean by the term "virus", i.e.,
a "replication-competent intra-cellular obligate parasite that causes cellular necrosis and symptomatic disease, which transmit between hosts via natural modes of exposure."
AND SECOND, proving that such things exist.
Yes, THE DOT on the PHOTO exists!
(So what? all SEM photography is a contrivance.)
However, saying that THE DOT is a "replication-competent intra-cellular obligate parasite that causes cellular necrosis and symptomatic disease, which transmits between hosts via natural modes of exposure" -- requires a lot of evidence which heretofore has not been entered into the record (the entire historical canon of peer-reviewed scientific papers published to date).
Beautifully put. I concu completely.
A medical friend of mine used to say histopathology is “glorified art criticism” :)
There’s something in that.
Artefacts are a HUGE problem in all microscopy.
The main skills a histopathologist acquires is
-what normal looks like
-how to recognise the many artefacts that can easily confuse us.
Thank you, Dr Mike! It's so wonderful to have you as an ally in this fight!
"Contagion is obvious" says the guy who wasn't killed by ebola, HIV-AIDS, SARS-1, MERS, SARS-COV-2, monkeypox, smallpox, marburg...
Lol. Like Rapporport said recently: You have a very short memory. How many "contagions" have raged across the planet, wiping out humanity? Zero. We always survive, I suspect, because disease isn't contagious. It can happen to a lot of people at the same time, but that does not prove it is spread from person to person....that must be demonstrated empirically, which it hasn't.
Well, there is BACTERIAL infection. That's a whole nuther thing, but it looks very similar, sometimes, to all this nonsensical "viral" bollocks...
Yeah, you're on it. Makes me wonder if Igor is just testing us, LOL.
Yes, I do not subscribe to the germ-terrain false dichotomy. It is a case of both/and. I just do not believe in nanoscale 'contagious, disease-causing viruses'. If one doesn't think bacterium can cause illness well I can grow a batch of salmonella for you to drink...
They’re not transmissible in the way we think as transmissible. Don’t eat the salmonella you won’t get sick. Like a cobra bite. The cobra transmitted the poison into you. But don’t be bitten you won’t get sick.
Didn't I just say that? LOL.
Well, I didn't say anything about giving you salmonella drinks, but.
I don't think it's as simple as a "false dichotomy." I think it's still THEORIES, and while I think the THEORY of viruses is a false one, a scheme, as in profit-making scheme, I do think the Terrain Theory makes FAAAAR more sense than the Germ Theory, which has been dead for some time. But it might depend on whether you consider bacteria to be "germs."
It was rhetorical. No offense intended!
Look into German new medicine. Answers a lot of the questions you might have beyond toxins and deficiencies. Truly the most game changing thing I’ve ever come across when it comes to health
Can you send some information on that.
https://t.me/GermanicHealing
Do you have another source- I can look around.
I don't do telegram.
https://northerntracey213875959.wordpress.com/2022/09/14/the-future-of-medicine/
You should make an effort and do Telegram. You do Substack, after all..
I did!
I do try to find alternatives to the germ theory. And GNM is pretty compelling.
A lot more believable than a flying bomb that infects people.
Here are some resource including virologist, Dr. Stefan Lanka who tells us why viruses do not exist. - https://justpaste.it/2vqa5
....and they are ENTIRELY correct; there ARE no such things as, 'contagions' - as 'viruses', AREN'T sentient, alive but rather, NEUTRAL organic MEDIA until such conditions as specific resonant values PIEZOELECTRICALLY alter their crystalline structures and associated fieldS to produce (for THEM) constructive entanglement / FACILITATING pathogenic relationships; germ theory was DESIGNED to manufacture an EXTERNAL threat, create a contrived NEED - while we now have COMPELLING evidence that MOST disease-states arise from biological poisonings, synthesized toxins ALIKE.....
Can you cite a scientific study demonstrating contagion? I've never seen one and contagion is not at all obvious to me.
I would be curious to see a math analysis of actual disease outbreaks every year. If I take 5000 black tiles and 5000 white tiles , shake them into a bag and then randomly spread them onto a 100 x 100 squared board they will not alternate. I will get clumps of white and clumps of
Black and some areas of alternation etc. I’m not certain contagion is at least in part random number distribution. ‘How do you explain so many of us all getting sick last June?’ ‘Because everyone cleanses once or twice a year. Random distribution says it should clump. In addition these cleanses tend to occur more to people during abrupt weather changes as the body attempts to acclimate. Add in groups of people tend to ingest the same toxins/garbage and you will appear to have contagion when in fact it’s weather and similar toxins.’
Many attempts have been made to demonstrate contagion and failed. Several are discussed here: End of Germ Theory:
https://rumble.com/v1ak9zn-the-end-of-germ-theory-by-spacebusters.html
There are none, all the instances of ““contagion” are actually epidemiological observations it has nothing to do with causation.
Susceptibility appears to be all there really is. But, and this matters a lot to me, epidemiologists follow "viral outbreaks" as they move across the globe every year.
Ditto past experiences like smallpox infected blankets being given to Native Americans.
And outbreaks generated by Western Scientists visiting villages in the Amazon resulting in total decimation of a tribe. Observation is the Scientific Method.
Contagion is real, IMO. I just think that "viruses" are not exactly what we think they are, and perhaps can be triggered and/or generated many different ways.
Nothing that epidemiologists do can prove that a virus or contagion exists.
Smallpox being spread via blankets is a story. Share the scientific evidence?
People dying after western "scientists" visit is not proof of a virus or contagion.
I'm not asking for your opinion, I'm asking for science.
And I am asking you to read first person accounts. Observation is the Scientific Method.
All beings are unique. Therefore their susceptibilities are also unique.
But just read the early explorers accounts of empty villages, after the initial contact visits. Everyone died.
And study the pattern of certain diseases spreading through history. We can follow them, historically.
There is a mountain of evidence, but those first hand accounts I studied back in the 1970s and 80s.
Sorry, but I cannot dig them out for you now. I also bred German Shepherd Dogs and Throughbred Horses and
saw diseases run through a barn or kennel.
Ditto kids and childhood diseases.
Contagion is obvious. I think the manner of transmission is perhaps the real question. As is susceptibility.
Scientific method involves controlled experiments, not simply observing people getting sick or finding dead people. Logic please, people can die from many things. Meanwhile no virus particle has even been shown to exist. We've been conditioned to believe in contagion our entire lives. Yet every attempt to demonstrate it scientifically has failed. Literally no one got sick, no matter what the researchers tried.
Several attempts are discussed here:
End of Germ Theory:
https://rumble.com/v1ak9zn-the-end-of-germ-theory-by-spacebusters.html
I agree about the need for actual science on some very fundamental questions. Like Reich's discovery of Bions, Orgone, DOR, etc., among others, and Sheldrake's Morphogentic Fields, Tesla's frequency and resonance, etc., ...Life, and Everything in the Universe starts getting VERY interesting!
What if a viral infection is actually a cellular detox triggered by certain electromagnetic frequencies, or waves of DOR?
Or a relationship to starlight, sunlight, and the general contraction in Nature during the winter?
I know I get "sick" when I'm toxic, or weakened. So there is that. Naturopth Chris Chlebowski just wrote "The Virus and the Host," and I find it a good starting place for many.
First we definitely need to look at the "ground" long before we study the "pathogen."
Then maybe we could try to understand the "bugs" a bit more scientifically?
Germ Theory has been a complete fraud since Pasteur fabricated it, and viral theory is an even more fraudulent derivation of that BS, as Stefan Lanka and others have revealed by their detailed critique of the viral "isolation" process of the fake science discipline called virology, including the routine (WTF!) use of animal (different species) tissue and cell toxins, cherry-picking, etc.
I suggest you have a read of "Béchamp or Pasteur? A Lost Chapter in the History of Biology" by Ethel Douglas Hume, first published in 1923, and most recently republished in 2006. You will probably be shocked by what you read!
http://mnwelldir.org/docs/history/biographies/Bechamp-or-Pasteur.pdf
Nature may dismiss this book, but that is mostly likely a propaganda "hatchet job", probably because this inconvenient historic evidence threatens many "medical" people's investment and careers, and threatens the existence of many "medical" corporation and their massive ongoing fraudulent revenue!
Germ Theory has been a complete fraud since Pasteur fabricated it, and viral theory is an even more fraudulent derivation of that BS, as Stefan Lanka and others have revealed by their detailed critique of the viral "isolation" process of the fake science discipline called virology, including the routine (WTF!) use of animal (different species) tissue and cell toxins, cherry-picking, etc.
Agreed, but don't let Pasteur off the hook for the virus par specifically. He invented that to satisfy a contract with the french government to create a medical pretext to stop british maritime traffic from passing the strait of gibraltar without starting a war. France did this in response to the slave-state great britain seizing the suez canal in violation of international law for their banker owners.
So pasteur owns this bogus pathogenic virus particle theory.
I suggest you have a read of "Béchamp or Pasteur? A Lost Chapter in the History of Biology" by Ethel Douglas Hume, first published in 1923, and most recently republished in 2006. You will probably be shocked by what you read! http://mnwelldir.org/docs/history/biographies/Bechamp-or-Pasteur.pdf
I won't be shocked because I saw it in 2006. If you want to see the best collection of all of this information look at a site called "whale.to".
Nature may dismiss this book, but that is mostly likely a propaganda "hatchet job", probably because this inconvenient historic evidence threatens many "medical" people's investment and careers, and threatens the existence of many "medical" corporation and their massive ongoing fraudulent revenue!
Yes, it's all about the power. The bankers or whoever owns their asses want to make everybody more dependent on them. Their cull was planned certainly since before 1981 when they carved it in stone in the state of Georgia in 12 languages 4 of which are no longer spoken by human beings as their firts language.
The reason they want/needto cull us is the same reason all aggressive and passive beings do most things: Fear.
They have the technology that brought down the twin towers in seconds turning "solid" matter into fine powder faster than gravity could bring the top of the building to EArth.
But they live in fear that others will also have it and then they'll have competition.
That old piece of shit John D. Rockefeller said it: "competition is a sin".
so they figure their best shot at maintaining the exclusivity on this liberating technology which could take us several levels into the future requires killing most of us and maintaining us in an orwellian police state.
What I've learned here (for the n-th time) Is that even people like Igor are totally fooling themselves.
They think that they see a definition of science and the scientific method, and that they agree with us (I expect you and I would see eye to eye on it)
In fact Igor doesn't agree with us though he believes he does. Igor has a religion known as pseudo science and he believes that he is scientific because he can organize people to move large machines down the highway without killing innocent women and children or damaging material.
But his science ends there. He hasn't carried it to biology.
When it comes to biology Igor is neck deep in pseudo-science but still thinks he's a scientist.
And we won't likely be able to pull him out of his self-delusional world any more than I could help Heidi the psychopath (no offense Heidi, it's just the truth) to see that she too is a pseudo scientist.
The difference between Heidi and Igor is that Heidi is upfront in her delusions, Igor hides his from himself.
The concept of external causes for disease does two things; first it makes peoples choices about things like adequate exercise and a healthy diet irrelevant and secondly it greatly enriches the medical industrial complex.
more important than that to the psychopaths is that it makes the people dependent.
This "cull" stuff has been going on since at least WWII, and likely before that. Eugenics is not a new thing, as I'm sure you know. Cheers, good comment.
Max Igan has dug up a lot of information of past culls that nobody else I know of has found. Search for the "mud flood". Apparently culls have been a regular feature of life on Earth. This is the solution found by the people who are working on suppressing paper money.
We all need to throw out our smartphones before it's too late. I have an idea to go around this. Commission a small indian firm to make an open source device with a gsm port, a wifi port an ethernet port and enough memory to permit opensource software scripts. Create non-profit organizations locally to own and bear the name on the contracts with the telecoms. The devices need to be able to detect each other. Every time you cross somebody in the supermarket you change devices with them. Or perhaps the devices could just randomly change their mac address. But I think it would be better to use both of those solutions. One would connect one's smart phone to this device's wifi, perhaps best to pass that interface through a VPN. It would be necessary to root the smart phone to be able to turn off the gsm interface because the psychopaths have a database of everybody's smart phone's mac address. Many smart phones one would likely need to physically damage the gsm interface.
In this way we could keep our smartphones and make it very much more difficult for them to track us. Also the non-profits would furnish a very useful aid to creating local currencies. The groups formed this way could collaborate with the groups in neighboring areas, or there could be multiple groups in the same geographical areas in densely populated places.
We must NEVER dismiss the self-enrichment factor, nor the ego-stroking factor...
I agree with what you're saying.
I don't think it's that "they don't exist." It's more like: they are created in ways we do not fully understand, and can be "transmitted" in more ways than getting sneezed upon!
Perhaps they really are "exosomes." And perhaps they are part of a natural detox process.
Maybe they can even be "triggered" by electricity as well as caught through contagion. Read "Invisible Rainbow" by Arthur Furstenberg
What I'm saying is that after listening to a WIDE range of experts over the past nearly three years, I have little faith in the idea that viruses are sneaky little agents of harm that lurk everywhere and jump up your nose and into your mouth and make you sick. I just don't see the PROOF.
Exosomes makes far more sense, as in, they are like trash collectors, who take out cells that are poisoned or dead or damaged, they are helpers, not bringers of harm. They come FROM our bodies, not from outside them. That has been explained in various ways over and over and over by people who should know, and it's LOGICAL, and therefore I agree with that, not as some sort of iron-clad MUST BE thing, but as the most rational and logical explanation I've heard so far.
Yes, via the natural detox process.
I think what is "triggered" by EMF's, or electricity if you want to call it that-- I call it RADIATION-- are the metals that are found in our foods, beverages, and sprayed into the air on a regular basis, for decades, and are in EVERY SINGLE VACCINE, not just these "Covid" ones. Whether these metals are "activated" or "triggered" by something is not the only problem... They are toxic regardless of being triggered. They are known harmful substances that shouldn't be in our bodies.
I don't know what would be "transmission" besides breathing, eating, drinking... magic? lol
I see people driving around in cars, windows up, all alone, wearing masks. People understand science the way worms understand philosophy... They don't. People are manipulated by using FEAR, a very, very, very, very effective tool.
Are you saying ‘superstitions not the way’
Just trying to be clear.
Try to find a study that verifies your perceived experience of getting sick from others, and/or review the historical attempts by public health researchers to prove contagion (there is a great review of such at the beginning of the film End of Germ Theory:
https://rumble.com/v1ak9zn-the-end-of-germ-theory-by-spacebusters.html). They failed every time, no matter the methods used, methods that today would be considered unethical. We've been conditioned to interpret our experiences in light of this claimed contagion phenomenon and to disregard the experiences that don't fit the pattern (of which there are many).
No matter how one tries, it strikes me that people just love their fables, while the titanic investment in them precludes the entertainment of fallacy let alone a search for better understanding. And given that the barreled needle has the triple benefit of cash, cull and control, its going to be struggle to change the thinking, .... but we'll get there.
your response has helped me to see the other side of the "conspiracy theory" coin. The "educated" masses nearly all believe in the virus theory which is an obvious conspiracy theory involving whoever owns the pharm industry and the nobel organization. And then when a "conspiracy theorist" points out something that is very likely but impossible to prove, he (me) gets treated like he (me) is a nut.
So these people want to believe lies and don't want to believe truth.
They are making it difficult to stop the democide of their own kind.
Let's always remember that the burden of proof is always on the one making the positive claim. So there is no onus on us to prove/disprove anything, we can simply point out the blatant flaws in the evidence put forward to support the virus story and that they have no science whatsoever :)
If it’s not a virus though then we might actually be able to stop
Contagion in whatever way it occurs. I’m beginning to believe upper respiratory viruses might not exist. Which means COVID doesn’t. But it appears some viruses exist. I know people who were healthy and strong and got Herpes transmitted to them. Pretty tough to argue against that. Unless...Herpes isn’t a virus. It might be a parasite. It seems the hardest viruses to explain away are the ones that present on the skin.
This is all you need... To be THINKING, critically.
Not everything is immediately clear, and we've been trained for about 200 years to believe in "viruses." And in vaccines to "help" us.
There is much work to do, and I think all this will be revealed, but we have to QUESTION EVERYTHING, as you and I, and lots of others, are doing now.
It is absolutely blowing my mind this evening, lol.
Minds are better blown than full of terror... Cheers! ^_^
Amen to that!! I think MOST of the problems that have arisen are because people have been scared. Initially, before looking at all the data, the face masks were a comfort - that didn't last long. I quickly became a person who felt like an idiot when wearing one - and very conscious of it affecting my breathing. Never again will I take "their" word for anything... never.
There is no contagion for COVID or the flu. It's just periodical detox process of the organism, after it built up enough toxins.
It could be a herpes sore situated usually in a hot dark moist place ends up getting germs, infections, etc ON it. Sex where a mini tear occurs transfers the festering sore compounds into the receiver. These materials grow in the person until enough have been grown the body sheds it. And it’s own sore is produced. Not a virus. Just an unclean environment.
It's a bit strange that apparently hasn't been isolated.
With so much of it (apparently) being around, why ? ?
I'm a simple soul and don't understand, if it can be tested, you know, tests that "confirm" you have or, don't have the virus - well, why can't it be isolated? For those getting irritated with me, I apologize. I'm not scientifically educated.
They actually are testing it through a faulty manner if they are using the PCR test because they can adjust the level of the test and put it at a higher level. According to the person who made the test (who is mysteriously now deceased after all of this began and they were very vocally against using it), it can be turned up to detect that you have the flea butt virus if they farted in your vicinity and you smelled it - it is that faulty. Then there's the fact that they actually had a preservative that is carcinogenic on the swab being used - they are determined to get us one way or another. Anyway, don't ever stop asking questions or you'll become a part of "the man."
What they call SARS-COV-2 'isolate' is very different than what regular people think.
It's simply a mixture of cells poisoned with antibiotics and starved to death, which started decaying.
It has no ability to 'infect' anyone.. this is not a virus by any stretch of the imagination..
you can also pay to sit on Santa's lap in a few weeks at the mall.
You didn't get sick from others, you got sick from the same exposure to the same toxins at the same time or close to the same time. Why did I get sick EVERY TIME I drove to Florida on vacation along with my wife and four sons? Because of the interruption in our circadian rhythm caused by being in a different area of the earth magnetic field setting off a detox in all of us.
My wife and I might never have been sick at the same time. She claims to remember once it happened. I cant recall ever. I can recall lots of times my kids were sick at the same time. But also lots and lots of times they weren’t.
.....THINK you mean 'CIRCADIAN' rhythmS (unless you're ACTUALLY insects ;P - predicated by the ionosphere-producing 'Schumann Resonance'; there's SOME thought that widescale terrestrial magnetic-field anomalies around FL (though NOT alone; may be true of ALL Ivan Sanderson's infamous, evenly-located [above and below BOTH latitudinal, globe-encircling 'Tropics'] 'Vile Vortices') can SIGNIFICANTLY compromise KEY biological processes depending upon certain ecosystemic conditions being in play.....
Isn't that what I wrote? LOL!
At the end of the day, who’s to say that one really understands the inner workings of any natural system? The models built by science work so we think we are on the right track. And they can ‘seem’ to work for a long time. Seem is the keyword because we expect deviations and we think those deviations are noise — usually a catch all for stuff we cannot explain. A lot of times, this so called noise carries information that beckons us to build more models to think we have a handle to the problem. This is how science progresses.
So if one can explain the virus phenomenon with an alternative formulation, all the power to them.
The globular earth theory seems to hold a lot of water.. oceans in fact. If there are anomalies i don't know about them, but many flat earthers believe there are. But what we want are theories we can use in our life on earth, or on Mars, whatever.
Great comment. I feel like the truth is somewhere between germ and terrain theories. I mean, I was blown away when I realised exosomes and viruses are almost indistinguishable from each other. I've experienced catching an illness from my partner after she went away on a weekend trip. It's possible that she was infected with a virus and spread it to me. It's also possible that her body was out of whack due to the new environment, and eating different food and drinking too much so when she got home her body was detoxing and shedding exosomes which triggered an immune response in me. All I know is that she was unwell and seemed to pass that diseased state to me (with different symptoms) but I can't possibly say which mechanism was responsible for my mild illness.
I’ve been in factories in China, with few safety measures. Toxic fumes everywhere. After a half hour you walk out and you have a ‘cold’. Well, your eyes burn and water and your nose runs and you cough. I didn’t pick up a virus. I had been poisoned. After washing my face and drinking some water and being in. Semi clean air my ‘cold’ cleared up.
Exactly. The original meaning of 'virus' was poison. And for a good reason.
There are no pathogenic viruses, as depicted in virology. We are getting poisoned, in more than one way.. through the air we breathe, the food full of chemicals and additives, the water full of chlorine and fluorine, EMF radiation, even the stress we experience on daily basis has a negative effect on our health.
The 'flu' and most of other diseases, if I may add, is just the body's attempt to clear out the toxins accumulated in a period of time.
You can't catch the flu, you develop it. It's as simple as that.
Just as I didn't catch pneumonia three times in my life, I developed it because I was running naked in the snow, trying to become 'Rambo'..
And now we have grids of lines being laid out in the sky. A beautiful
Sunny day here in Victoria an hour ago. Now a cloud cover is beginning to ‘form’. Not roll in from the horizon. But form from the chemicals being sprayed over our city.
We are being sprayed and poisoned like bugs. But, it's four our safety and health, of course!
Have you heard of the nocebo efect?
I listen to Mike Yeadon and from what I heard he said there might not even be a covid virus, however he did not say there was no such thing as a virus. He then went on to state that this whole Covid nonsense could be done with numbers trickery, propaganda, and not treating things like Pneumonia in people we are not very healthy to begin with.
I listened to an interview of his last night. He said that he doesn't think respiratory viruses infect in the manner we've been taught. He went on to other topics, but I'd like to hear him expand on those thoughts.
The claim being made is that he said there is no such thing as a virus. I never heard him say anything of the sort, people penciled that part in because it fits their confirmation bias.
Agree. I've not heard him say that either.
Ditto. Yeadon mentions something Andrew Kaufman said to him in 2020 that bothered him. I would like to know what that was and how exactly his thinking on respiratory viruses evolved and what he thinks they are.
I personally do not know but I have heard of human experiments during the Spanish flu that tried to infect healthy volunteers with saliva and blood from sick person. All of the experiments failed oddly.
You're thinking of the Rosenau Experiments. This includes a link to the actual experiment's paper, which was published in JAMA in 1919.
https://viroliegy.com/2021/10/03/the-infectious-myth-busted-part-1-the-rosenau-spanish-flu-experiments-1918/
Yes. Thanks for the link!
You are welcome!
He gives a rundown of how his thinking was shaped over time here:
https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/thoughts-on-the-existence-of-viruses/comment/8087108
An excerpt: "Another major jolt to my background acceptance of the existence of the virus was the observations by Denis Rancourt & others that deaths in counties in US states occurred in patterns that were inconsistent with natural spreading of a respiratory pathogen. A very accessible version is his interview on Jerm Warfare."
Thanks for the link. That was very helpful!
Then, I believe that I heard, the number of deaths were actually attributed, in large numbers, to people wearing the actual "masks" that had bacteria on them and they got bacterial pneumonia?
Rancourt does not attribute it to masks but just bacterial pneumonia which is normally treated with antibiotics but doctors were urged not to dispense antibiotics because covid is viral. However, you bring up a good point. Masks may have increased the prevalence though I don't think there is any data to support this view as yet.
Heck, is there data to support anything? They pretty much threw that practice out when they saw the shots weren't doing their supposed preventative jobs! (But had too much money and investors in the 2030 agenda to stop) But, I was only talking about the earlier flu, though...not this bioweapon.
See above, he specifically said he does not believe they exist. From 13:00 on, particularly at 14:50.
https://rumble.com/v1ee8yv-dr-mike-yeadon-fraud-fear-and-how-herd-mentality-has-brought-us-to-the-edge.html?fbclid=IwAR3z--CR0cU5wxsizsllsOFrFYATODIIttBXC-Xp5tBeqQSZAXHvfslQ1cs
What he said..."It collapsed the possibility that respiratory viruses as described exist at all".. What you heard "viruses do not exist". Not even close to the same thing. In my opinion he is correct in what he said. We have no idea how these viruses work, There are a lot of doctors who think Covid is a blood virus along the lines of AIDS.
AIDS is not a virus. Everyone knows that. :-) HIV? Even many people who believe it exists have stated it does not cause AIDS, people like Peter Duesberg and even Luc Montagnier, who got a Nobel in 2008 for allegedly discovering HIV. Others like Eleni Papadopoulos-Eliopoulos and the Perth Group she was with have demonstrated the lack of proof for it, including how Mongagnier admitted that his "discovery" of HIV was based on the presence of reverse transcriptase, which he believed was associated only with retroviruses. Members of his own team back then knew otherwise, per papers they published, and now this is common knowledge. People can go watch Yeadon themselves and see what he says, including the laudatory comments about people whom this blog entry calls "psyop."
It seems to me you want to understand something else from his words.
But pretty much anyone else would interpret his words as 'viruses don't exist as previously thought', or something along those lines.
He's speaking of respiratory viruses, not all viruses.
"I could no longer maintain my understanding of respiratory viruses as I thought I knew them."
That is what i said. And he said more than just that re respiratory viruses. He thanked a bunch of people for opening up his eyes. People can go watch it for themselves.
Yes, well said, I had a conversation with Mikey here with his update on August 5th https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/what-they-really-dont-want-us-talking/comments
We may well have all experienced symptoms appearing to go round, but how come it has never been shown experimentally, even with the Spanish flu https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/how-does-transmission-of-illness
and how come I didn't catch 'it', though was exposed to 'it'. If it's a difference in my 'immune' (actually the healing and detox system) why do we need a viral infection theory to explain illness???? https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/why-didnt-i-catch-it-is-it-my-immune
Finally nobody cares what you 'believe' or don't 'believe'. I might believe in the flower fairies but unless you can show me evidence for them... ah wait actually the new way of doing science has actually proved the existence of flower fairies https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/we-cant-find-them-therefore-they
Viruses were only postulated and never proven as causes of disease in the first place. Now we have to prove they don't exist. It's mental! https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/were-so-far-down-the-rabbit-hole
the diseases of the industrial revolution smallpox and measles all turned out to be due to toxins, malnourishment and chid labour.
chicken pox as we know protects against shingles and the development of solid tumours, and like all poxes are just the body getting rid of toxins through the skin and of course we can signal to each other to detox; visually and in other ways we don't understand, doesn't mean its not happening https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/some-people-say-we-dont-know-why
the outcome of 'believing' in viruses is world domination, control, vaccines, myocarditis and tyranny.
the outcome of not 'believing' in viruses until there is some evidence is complete freedom
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Agreed - these are not just "viruses," they are bioweapons. Bioweapons... They were meant to transmit easily - which is what was accomplished - and to sell shots that weakened everyone and depopulated much of the earth while making the "elites" a s4it-ton of money.
The bioweapons are the injections.
The 'viruses' is just the PsyOp used for people to take those injections.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Ohhhh-kayyyy, so you'll have to explain away the F.A.C.T. that Ralph Baric and his team of ghouls at Univ. of North Carolina crowed about adding an S-protein to a bat corona virus, making it capable of infecting humans, in the Nov. 16, 2015 edition of The Scientist, and Boston Univ. recently adding an Omicron spike back onto the Wuhan virus body just a few weeks back, plus all the public information re the patents on this virus going back to the 90s. And all you TROLLS essentially working here to discredit questioning the narrative is to spew fake theories and call names, no facts necessary.
I have only one thing to say to you, my darling: FUCK OFF, TROLL!
Troll Hunter, my ass.. you're a DARPA bot, aren't you?
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Go fuck yourself, Indian or Indonesian troll.
I hope you fed your family today with these cheap replies you made.
"Go home, Dorothy." Spreading your medi-evil bullshit is YOUR job here. Your "Turning the tables" game isn't fooling anyone.
I would think that I've asked you to show the controlled experiment which proves that pathogenic virus particles exist. I"m sure you didn't respond, perhaps I never asked you. Consider yourself asked. If you come up with a valid response which proves that they exist, I'll be awestruck.
Thanks for the effort.
If you can't find it, please have the courage to admit that you've wasted everybody's time with your shrill drivel.
So here are my thoughts...i think they have made these bioweapons to shed and infect from one person to another. I do think some people are more resistant to this unnatural influence and others who might be more sensitive to the shedding. On the other hand, I also think there are outside influences that might be part of this...5G emps or whatever they are spraying. I do know we have to deal with these murderers.
You're probably right in most aspects. But I have doubts in regards to the actual virus, I don't think that ever existed.
The virus was the boogie man used to scare the masses to take the injections. What's in those injections, I don't know, I can only guess. But I'm sure as hell it's not preventing any 'infection' with a supposed 'virus'.. quite the opposite, actually. The vaxxed are getting sicker and sicker, and from all kind of diseases..
Yes, and it is difficult to watch for sure. The only thing that I can do at this point is say to myself, "I did the best that I could to educate you before you took them. God help us all." I will be sad when something happens, but God gave us all free will. Then there's the thing that no one knows the day or hour, so I might actually go before them. You never know.
On the "virus," I have a difficult time EVER calling it a virus - even talking to family or friends, I tend to do air quotes, lol. At less than .5% of death, it should NEVER have been used as the catalyst for the WEF agenda! It is hard to wrap my head around the thought that most of my "educated" friends didn't educate themselves enough to see that they were playing the world.
Yes. AND: WHY are there PATENTS on this virus since "it does not exist."?? Duhhh.
They have patents on genetic sequences, proteins and such. Not on viruses.
Then they create the vaccines based on those patents, and inject people with them.
Having a patent for something doesn't mean a real thing exists in nature, or if it's even feasible to do it, from a scientific point of view. It just have to describe a process, an idea, but it doesn't even have to be proven to work.
Have you heard of patent trolls?
Girl! That's the understatement of the year!
Thanks much
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Dr Yeadon told Hearts of Oak in late July that he no longer believes respiratory viruses exist. As you probably know, his specialty was "respiratory diseases."
This is exactly what I am talking about. Even the headline is not what he said LOL. https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ol8n3XM23vnP/
See below. 14:50.
https://rumble.com/v1ee8yv-dr-mike-yeadon-fraud-fear-and-how-herd-mentality-has-brought-us-to-the-edge.html?fbclid=IwAR3z--CR0cU5wxsizsllsOFrFYATODIIttBXC-Xp5tBeqQSZAXHvfslQ1cs
From what I have seen and read he said he does not believe this is a respiratory virus. That is not what you are claiming. Show me otherwise.
I’ve heard him say he was prepared to say upper respiratory viruses don’t exist. And he said he wasn’t prepared to say that about all viruses. But he indicated he was leaning towards that.
I heard "respiratory viruses," without the "upper," but fair enough.
It could have been respiratory without upper.
At around 13:00, he starts talking about the matter of viruses, and around 14:50 specifically says he no longer believes respiratory viruses exist.
https://rumble.com/v1ee8yv-dr-mike-yeadon-fraud-fear-and-how-herd-mentality-has-brought-us-to-the-edge.html?fbclid=IwAR3z--CR0cU5wxsizsllsOFrFYATODIIttBXC-Xp5tBeqQSZAXHvfslQ1cs
Why take the bait? Any opinion I have on viruses isn't going to be shaped by morons on substack.
Why attack the people on the finest open and intelligent exchange medium/media platform we have?
Substack has the brightest lights of today writing and discussing our current situation. It's stable of geniuses is second to none!
I'm sure you can earn plenty shaping opinion on most substacks.
Maybe not shaped by them, but maybe there is something that you hadn't thought about before? Nothing wrong with "listening" and opening a mind. I think the idea that you wouldn't be open to any other opinion or view might be what they are looking for in the world of Fauci and Walensky, maybe Macron and Trudeau?
Amen!
Yes, Sheldrake's resonance theories.
Sounds complicated. Just like reality.
Plenty of conjectures going on here.
I agree re Wilhelm Reich (orgone theory) and Rupert Sheldrake (morphic resonance) etcetera.
Perhaps an energy field exists that we have so far not truly recognized.
Perhaps there is an aspect of this bio energy synchronizing and presenting with some illness.
Perhaps also like light, both partial and wave at the same time. Viruses as we know them have different forms or abilities?
But IMHO it is dangerous to ignore some of the safety control options the current viral model gives us. Eg particles moving through air can be controlled or minimized in ways a biological energy cannot. And until we know with certainty, it makes sense to keep those controls on the table as options.
If you’re referring to masks the studies and common sense say they make things worse.
Masks have been a very valuable tool for me. They permit me to know immediately that somebody is not worth my time. I believe they've avoided me several 20 second conversations which leave me in the uncomfortable position of needing to prohibit a look of contempt and disgust from reaching my facial muscles.
LOL! I had to wear a mask once or I would have been kicked out of a doctors office. I had it on for 15 minutes. When I went in they stuck an oxygen sensor on my finger and almost immediately the nurse said TAKE THAT MASK OFF! I was down to 89 and she said a little less and I would have passed out. Well why did it effect me more so than other folks? IT WAS TIGHT. I'm 6'4" tall and my head is in proportion with the rest of my body. So the mask was SUFFOCATING me. Somethings are just common sense. If my car started acting up and I went to my mechanic and he said stick a potato up the exhaust to make it run better, I'd be seeking a more professional answer.
Its like dumb people printing their IQs on their foreheads so we know not to waste our time.
but I'd rather be with a person with a 100 iq and an open mind than one with a 130 iq who "knows" everything. He knows that there are no conspiracies, for example. Give me the slow one who knows how to think but doesn't think fast.
Agreed.
Agree. A face nappy cannot work anyway the aerosol droplets are too small. A positive pressure suit perhaps. But not a cloth mask. If you wouldn't use it working around friable asbestos. What makes you think it can control a respiratory virus?
Sheldrake especially.
Triggered by toxins as they die. The end result is an EXOSOME...https://courageouslion380.substack.com/p/toxicology-vs-virology
Thanks :-))
Oh f*&%$k-- And The Beat goes on. This horse is "dead?"
Fuck off, indian or Indonesian troll.
I hope you earned your living for today, with spitting out your stupid shit. Your family must be really hungry..
Researching, I did find some very interesting things. First of all, viruses do exists, however, after my research, I think we have what they are, very wrong.
Without sending all the evidence, my current theory is that viruses are part of mammalian immune response to environmental stresses (including bateria).
If you are interested in some evidence on this (feel free to ignore this whole post):
- Whenever we try to trace where a cold virus comes from, we find very large areas come up all at once (environment stress cosmic rays, plus low vit D that might be protective as possible cause?).
- Fetus are found to have a lot of viruses in them, and when sterilized in animals experiments, the baby doesn't survive (used as a defense to protect against bacteria and other environmental things?).
- 6% of human DNA is "virus DNA" (could it not be there for a reason? Maybe as part of our immune response)
- In labs, we have only seen viruses attack bacteria under the microscope, never healthy tissue (an anti bacterial virus would be a very good defense mechanism in humans and mammals)
- To "culture" viruses requires animal tissues that are "stressed" in certain ways.
Just to be clear, I am not interested in debating or anything, and still exploring this topic for fun. But so far, this is interesting.
The whole immune memory of which viruses were used for which stressors and for the body to remember which worked and didn't (on different levels) would also be a good thing for the body to do.
Phages are the 'viruses' that attack the bacteria. We are resurrecting some old school medicine and using them to fight bacterial infections, especially antibiotic resistant organisms.
-Laura Kragie MD biomedworks.substack.com
The probiotics I take added "phage" technology 5 years ago. It was fascinating reading about them. Very old tech from the 1930's or earlier but got forgotten when antibiotics hit the scene. Since we've now misused antibiotics to the point where a lot don't work they started going back to the phage technology to deal with bacteria.
Each phage is specific to on bacteria from what I understand. That is great as they don't harm the helpful bacteria in our gut.
How did phages get out of control in Resident Evil?
I think it makes a lot of sense that we co-evolved with viruses and they play an integral role in our bodies and immune systems. Just one example is that people who get chicken pox are less likely to get brain tumors. https://neurosciencenews.com/glioma-brain-cancer-chicken-pox-3942/
About ten years ago I happened to sit next to highly regarded Australian immunologist on an airplane (I looked him up and confirmed his credentials when I got home). We had a very interesting discussion on the gut microbiome and it's implications for human health.
I point blank asked him, "Do you think sometime in the future we'll find that some viruses play a positive role in human health?" His answer was an unequivocal no, that viruses were always harmful or passive at best. I was struck by his closed-mindedness, particularly after we had just discussed how over fifty years bacteria had gone from almost always bad to often good.
They say science advances one death at a time and unfortunately that seems to be true.
Really? Because humans would not have mitochondria if it weren't for the fact that a virus hijacked it and through evolution turned it into the power house of the cellular system.
Just a thought.
I think the immunologist mentioned above is a firm believer in the beneficial role of the mitochondria. If he is, who I think he is, he has been pretty open to ideas that go against the prevailing science. He’s even given reasons why the current vaccines were bound to fail. Even supported Ivermectin before it was “trendy.”
Oh shoot. Got it.
I didn't know. Whoops my bad
No worries. It might not be who I think it is but the description of the conversation sounds like the old guys specialty.
Pretty amazing that they decided to focus on chicken pox and ignore the countless other possible factors that can lead to or protect against that type of cancer 🙃
Since virtually everyone has had chicken pox it seems that would be difficult to prove.
I agree. Which is why most diseases should not be vaccinated and instead allow our immune system to do its work.
"In labs, we have only seen viruses attack bacteria under the microscope, never healthy tissue"
That's total bullshit. Is there anyone alive today that doesn't know the covid virus infects healthy human cells via the ACE2 receptor, even if they have no idea what that is? That we can examine the damn virus so closely we can detect it came from a lab, detect Moderna's patent in there and Baric's 'no-see-um' technique, or that another lab recently created a dangerous hybrid?
There is no one on Earth that can show that SARS-COV-2 'virus' can 'attack' healthy human lung cells.
ALL (and I mean ALL) experiments done in the labs are using monkey kidney cells or bovine fetal cells (or something similar to these ones) in a test tube, by poisoning and starving those cells first.
Please SHOW ME at least ONE experiment where they infected healthy human cells with the so-called 'virus'.
I'm waiting.
There isn't one.
If you have experiments supporting your hypothesis, please post.
And what is my hypothesis, exactly?
I merely refuted the virus theory. I didn't propose an alternate theory.
Although, I could do that, but that's not my point here.
My point is that the virus theory is flawed - it has as much evidence as Santa Claus and Tooth fairy.
If you have an alternate theory, please post the supporting studies.
I am refuting the virus theory, I didn't put forward a replacement theory. I don't have to propose an alternate theory, if I'm refuting the current one.
But if you want a better explanation for disease than viruses, try the terrain theory or German new medicine.
You're welcome.
I am asking for the experiments that proved SARS-COV-2 attacks human lung cells.
Do you have any or not?
Because if you don't, you're just a snake oil salesman.
If you make a claim, you have to back it up with proper evidence.
Evidence that fetal bovine cells or monkey kidney cells break down in a test tube is miles away from evidence that there's a virus called SARS-COV-2, which attacks human lung cells.
Do you get what I'm saying, or you are challenged?
I am asking for experiments that show otherwise. Do you have any, or not?
That isn’t how science is done. You’re making a claim. We are asking for evidence. I can’t prove a negative. You have to prove a positive.
You my friend, are braindead.
I can't repeat same thing over and over again, sorry.
I cannot prove a negative. Otherwise, I could ask you to prove unicorns are not real.
You have to provide evidence for your claims. If you claim the viruses are real and cause disease and are transmissible from human to human, you bare the burden of proof. Otherwise, you are making baseless claims.
Besides, there were experiments done already which proved that Spanish flu was not contagious, for example. Look up Rosenau experiments done in 1918 for the Spanish flu. You have to explain those from virology point of view, and there is no explanation, other than viruses don't exist or they're not contagious in nature. Viruses are exozomes, things that get released by the cell when it's sick (because of toxicity, lack of nutrients, etc).
I’m a real estate developer. If my building collapses I can say definitively my structural engineer screwed up, as he is the one whose job it is to make sure the right materials are used etc. You seem to be saying I have to know all the details of why and how he screwed up. No. I can merely point out my building fell down. I don’t need to propose anything other than his work didn’t stand up to scrutiny. We hired these people. They screwed up. I don’t have to know how and why etc. that’s for the inquiry. They could not after 100 years produce evidence what they were saying is correct. It’s all a theory. Which isn’t standing up. I don’t need to provide anything other than ‘a mistake was made. Their work is wrong’ m
BTW Moderna patents are for genetic sequences whether they are from a virus or a vaccine or anything else..
So yeah.. I think this was planned, but in the sense that they wanted to inject people with poisons, but there is NO REAL VIRUS that can infect a healthy human. Anywhere. Period.
That was the PsyOp used to convince sheeple to take the death shots - against a supposed deadly 'virus'..
Geeez, give me a fking break. All vaccines are poisonous it was proved already.. there is 0 benefit to them, and only dangerous side effects due to toxins and heavy metals.
Wake.Up.
Nice one, Bigs. I call Poe’s law!
Interesting. I read someone's theory once that the viruses which attack bacteria (called phages) are only present when bacteria are in a stressed environment.
The theory was that phages are a way to transfer DNA from one to another as a means to help the colony survive.
You have cited a lot of interesting details here. One thing you make me wonder about is how they managed to “sterilize” a living fetus to get rid of the “viruses” within it. Then the fact that they “sterilized “ it and wiped out its “possibly protective” (against bacteria, etc.) was what killed the fetus, they say. So I wonder how they determined that their “sterilization” procedure itself on the living fetus wasn’t what killed the fetus?
Plus that sounds like they did unethical experiments on a fetus. Likely against the law.
I think you are approaching a newer and more accurate idea here of what the bits of material we have been labeling "viruses" really might be!
It's fascinating because we need a theory that covers all, not just parts and pieces, of the evidence we have gathered over 100 years+.
What we have called "viruses" do move in waves, at times, around the Globe, and my mother, daughter, or friend can "catch" one, and I seemingly, can catch it from them.
But, if my immune system is super healthy, they can be as sick as can be, and I stay fine, lol!
But most people exposed to genital herpes catch it. So some "viruses" are more contagious than others.
Yet outside normal contagion it appears electricity seems to trigger influenza outbreaks, and many are activated by "resonance" as well.
No resonance, no "virus."
I agree, there is a lot more to discover. We really have no clue. Viruses do exists, but what they are might be lacking. Maybe herpes is a combination of things (my whole family but me have the mouth version, for sure I was also exposed, but for some reason never had any).
I am thinking something like it is a natural bacteria that causes the body to react where skin is more sensitive (mouth and genital) and the natural anti-bacterial oils our body produces gets lowered for a reason (poor diet / less sunlight), which makes our body produce a virus to fight that bacteria. Its contagiousness might just be a regular skin bacteria that is slightly more evolved.
I just know that out of most of those things blamed on viruses, it isn't as simple as you are exposed and then have symptoms. (Koshes Postulate? --not sure the spelling)
Anyway, everything we know so far doesn't fix any main stream theory so far...
That sounds extremely strange saying just ONE PERSON ON SUBSTACK was responsible for this psyop as proof of it, was that all? That is very strange what is on with that insanity so BE CAREFUL PEOPLE.
D'ye know what, I have been reading, watching, listening and thinking about this stuff every day for two and a half years - and with all the knowledge that I have amassed and fills my headspace I have come to a decision:
I don't know if 'viruses' exist or not - and for now it's not the most important thing - That is stopping the insane vaccines, especially for children and the young, and telling the world the truth about what has been done to them.
I have read much on both sides and respect proponents equally. It could be that we still don't know enough or it's down to semantics. Who knows. What IS important is the battle in hand as the globalists seek to impose their total control over us. Anything else will have to wait for another day.
Am I allowed to be smug now? To say truly "I told you so"? Because the
'no virus' debate was a psyop derail from the start, meant to tie people in knots off on the railroad spur of thought.
It's like arguing about angels, heads of pins, and what dance step they prefer. And keeps us from discussing the meat of the matter in a serious and organized way.
Be very smug now!!! :-)
I promise I won't be too smug.
The Terrain vs Germ theory thing reminds me of something a teacher told me (back when teachers were there to teach you critical thought) that the reality of things was likely something that fell between theories, that encompassed them all to some extent. I agree, a shitty terrain (which we likely have in much of North America due to diet and pollution) is gonna make people sick. However, the fact that these sickenesses often follow certain pathways and outcomes argues for some kind of agent causing them. So, like everyone's right here, shut up and fight the bastards that are using this as a tool to consolidate power. We can wuibble about the damn angels later.
Nature vs nurture...the struggle is real.
Precisely! 👍
“Tie people in knots?” Just the opposite, it cuts The Gordian Knot and frees us from the evil, destructive industry built on the virus fiction.
The whole virus vaccine industry which is wrecking our children’s health.
"And keeps us from discussing the meat of the matter in a serious and organized"
Yes. Wasting the enemy's (or here, "their" prey's) time on bullshit is an old but still very popular trick.
So even if that particular blog was some adolescent fun. People like Lanka and Kaufman are not, they are (in service of) evil.
Wasting the enemy's time on bullshit is exactly why there are so many psy-ops currently going on in the US. This isn't the only one.
I suspect selective censoring on Big Tech platforms is also part of some psy opps.
If you believe the 'no-virus' movement is a PsyOp you are the victim of the PsyOp.
This debate is as old as it gets.. way before any three letter agency..
Jon Rappoport, for example, was talking about this for at least 2 decades. And there are others, like Tom Cowan, Stefan Lanka, and probably many others which I don't even know about.
This debate has got more focus mainstream, as more people woke up to the scam, that's all..
Sure, let’s call it psyop instead of questioning the pseudoscience which will be the foundation of more plandemics ad infinitum.
But, but.. "No virus" movement is much older than the latest c19 caboozle.
The frustrating thing is we agree on what's important. Not hard to see why psy opp trolls would promote it.
Those, at least many of those, who are boosted are dead men walking. Many of us here are trying to save the children. This is not a psy op. This is the fight right now.
I put a lot of work into compassionately and clearly providing the counterpoints to these arguments after I noticed they kept on spamming my page and derailing discussions. It worked and it took two articles with that approach to end the discussion without any hard feelings on either side so we could focus on where we had common ground. I also felt these topics were worth exploring because they touched upon a lot of key epistemological issues I see all the time, so I used them to open up that discussion.
Those two articles can be found here:
https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/thoughts-on-the-existence-of-viruses
https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/nuanced-ideas-and-simplistic-truths
I always suspected this was a psy-op but I never had proof so I am very thankful you put this together!
adding second link
I was quite disappointed your articles never really addressed the true heart of the issue: the METHODOLOGY of virology and how EXACTLY they claim to prove that viruses exist. You didn’t say anything about the consistent failure of every experiment that has tried to prove contagion. You didn’t even look at the methodology section of the virology “research” and genuinely ask: HOW does this METHODOLOGY actually PROVE that viruses exist? That’s why this debate won’t die. Not one single person on the Viruses Exist team even bothers to address the elephant.
Because Igor is not interested in the truth. He knows he's right: his friends in big pharma told him so.
Same guys that pushed the deadly vaxxes, told him the viruses are real. He can't possibly comprehend that disease may have other causes, like toxicity, poisoning, lack of nutrients, EMF radiation, etc etc
He KNOWS that he got sick because of an imaginary virus. It couldn't be anything else! After all, someone else close to him got sick as well.. it must be an invisible, flying particle, right?
Straw manning. He never claimed toxins and poisons or nutrient deficiencies do not exist or cause sickness.
If Igor has ever praised or recommended the clot shot please show the link to that article. I would like to read it.
I didn't say Igor pushed the clog shots. I said his trusted doctors did.
Read again.
People have explained the methodology showing how they ‘prove’ a virus and it’s such obvious nonsense I could barely contain my derision. They then explain to me patiently how that proves something, which it cannot. Up until a while ago I believed 100% in viruses can be isolated and proved to exist. I didn’t think that had happened with COVID but I assumed HIV etc had been isolated. Discovering six months this ago the method was a shock. When I read about it it is such obvious meaningless data it bewildered me the world has done this to us.
It qualifies as proof as much as all the viral-isolation studies.
"All models are wrong. Some models are useful." Picked up that quote somewhere and I like to use it.
I believe the virus model is "wrong" and I'm not sure it's actually useful. The model of a "virus" is a particle containing DNA or RNA wrapped in a protein coat, which gains entry to a cell in order to hijack its machinery in order to make copies of itself, which blow up the cell from the inside, killing it. Those copies go on to infect other cells and do the same thing. That's pretty specific. It's a particle of a certain size with a very specific mode of operation.
Here's how I think about this issue: NAV crew has some serious critiques of the METHODOLOGY of virology. If we ask the very simple question - HOW do you know a particular virus exists? - virologists will tell you one or more of three very specific things:
1) we "isolated" it - which does not mean they separated it from all other particles which would allow them to characterize, photograph, and sequence the DNA/RNA of said particles in order to test their theory. It means that they took a sample from a human and added it to usually diseased monkey kidney cells, which were then starved of nutrients and dosed with kidney-toxic antibiotics, and when the cells start to die, they point and say, "see, the cells die because of the virus" but they don't bother to do a control experiment with every step except the actual human sample. So how exactly do they know what is killing those cells? I don't know. I can't find anyone who can really defend this method or respond to the specific critique, other than "a virus needs a cell to replicate." Okay, but that is just the part where it's making copies, does the virus exist outside of the cell? It would have to according to their model because how else does the "virus" pass between cells and between people?
2) we took pictures - but again, the process involved in taking those pictures is to put the results of step one through further insults with alcohol, chemicals and resin, to dry it out then form it into a block, slice it really thin and then bombard it with electrons. What they're taking a picture of is clearly dead, but if they haven't separated out the specific particle they are claiming is a virus before taking a picture (like, ever) how the heck do they know what a "virus" particle even looks like? They just look for something they think fits the bill and add an arrow. How do they know what that specific arrow is pointing at? The result of the METHOD of taking those pictures seems very destructive and likely doesn't represent what actually happens to live tissue inside a body. Again, I can't find a decent rebuttal to a logical critique.
3) we have the genome sequenced - but again, the METHOD of puting the results of step one in a blender to then take out millions of tiny pieces of genetic code and use a computer program to splice them back together. But again, if they've never separated out the particles and sequenced them whole, what the heck is the computer program constructing? And how do they know which particles are from a "virus" versus the rest of whatever the human coughed up and whatever else is in the soup?
Now, if these are invalid critiques, why are they invalid? Why won't anyone address them? What questions should I be asking? Most of the defenders of virology don't even bother to understand these issues at all, I think because of the militant wing of team NAV that makes asking basic questions seem like crazy talk.
The whole question of whether any disease can be passed between humans has logical critiques as well, but it's so ingrained in the paradigm, most people can't even think outside of it in order to genuinely question it. It's a really basic assumption that appears to be unquestionable. And I don't think any assumptions are beyond question.
Hmmm. I’m pretty sure Terrain theory predates SubStack.
Yes and I just added a sentence to this effect -- the terrain theory predates even the virus theory!
C'mon Igor admit it- you were sitting around bored and wanted to stir some shit.
Next time just ask and I'll buy you a coffee (laughs).
lol
LOL
The notion that viruses (and other "germs") don't exist is just so patently absurd that I've dismissed it out-of-hand, right along with flat-earth nonsense.
Now is a healthy body & immune system less susceptible to disease caused by germs? Yes, I'm sure it is. So the "terrain" should not be ignored, but the fact that terrain preparation is useful doesn't mean that the germs or viruses don't exist or don't cause disease.
The notion that an inanimate object can fly from person to person, break cell barriers, replicate itself and cause a disease in that individual is so patently absurd that I've dismissed it out-of-hand.
See what I did there?
Diseases cannot be caused by toxins, chemicals, poisons, stress, lack of nutrients.. they can only be caused by an invisible flying particle.. right?
The fact that yawning is contagious, means it's caused by a virus. Obviously!
They argue that viruses cannot make people ill. When you provide examples of communicable diseases breaking out in populations, they dismiss this out of hand, saying it must have been something else. Anything else.
They cite one experiment where scientists tried to infect people by injection and constant exposure but it failed. When you mention that the immune system is complicated and human bodies differ, that mere exposure is not the only factor, they ridicule and call names.
Because you subscribe to germ theory, they say, you must not believe that poisons or malnutrition exist.
They accuse you of promoting the clot shots by not agreeing with and promoting their views.
It reminds me of arguments made by flat earthers.
I've been curious about terrain theory as opposed to germ theory. Thanks to the comments here I know enough.
Let’s say there are viruses. Are there upper respiratory viruses? Just because some are BS does not mean all are. And visa versa. Some might be real. Some might not.
As I've said here and on other boards,
infiltrating message boards with users talking about bizzare things is a long-established tactic that was used during a previous biolab disaster, Morgellons. At that time the fake users were talking about aliens, trying to derail the conversation and distract users from finding the origin, causes and cures for the disease. Polluting the biotech / medical science discussions with something bizarre also serves to erase the credibility of the real people discussing the issue. There are $$$ people with things to hide and a bottomless intent to deceive.
They actually tried the Aliens topic a couple times during Covid, didn't really distract international discussion. Then there was the snake venom thing.
Examples of my comments.
https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/where-did-covid-19-come-from-and/comments#comment-8229682
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/i-will-bet-1m-with-anyone-who-thinks/comments#comment-8075010
Yep, old tactic. Try to peel off as many viewers as possible by postulating something outrageous yet plausible to get them into a hamster wheel where they will no longer take in new or opposing information. Then tar the remaining objectors with the 'crazy' brush because of the psyop introduced nonsense. I've seen this in motion since at least 911.
Your links did not work for me
Worked for me
Hmm, when I clear my browser and try it, I just get the general comments page.
For the Midwestern Doctor, search "Dear Carrie", then expand the extra comments of that thread..... time-consuming.
For the Kirsch comment, search "I see your post has triggered", referring to reader comments a couple places up.
Don't work for me either.
For sure. We must seek consensus. Never truth.
It’s very important to create division , then we can’t gang up on the evildoers as easily.
That's been a very effective tactic, as we well know.
As I read some of the comments, I recognize the “virus brainwashing” is still deep that even questioning the theory triggers such vile reaction. It’s similar to telling a devout religious person that his or her God does not exist or is not what they think it is.
It's not harmless, as it makes sane and sensible people asking real questions about the virus and vaccines look like a bunch of fucking loons, who don't even believe in viruses.
And you, clever Bigs, were there calling them out on one of these other threads! I just posted here in my other comment a link to our discussion. (https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/where-did-covid-19-come-from-and/comments#comment-8229682)
Rabies. Terrain theory does not exclude the idea of viruses or germs. The psy op folks want to demonize terrain theory because healthy people don’t buy drugs.
Viruses exist but they don’t behave the way they tell us, they’re necessary personal garbage cleaners and not contagious. That’s how I understood it. It took me awhile to wrap my head around it and I heard of this theory a few years before Covid-1984 hit us. I work in a very large elderly home with 350+ elderly, ages ranging from 78-107, surely they were sitting ducks, canaries I’m the coal mine but I didn’t see a single Covid illness/death the entire time. And before the tests rolled out many of us workers had various coughs that no one was sent home for. Before the injections rolled out I had one death with respiratory symptoms but noted that she got a bad case of shingles post her shingles vaccine and went downhill fast after that, she had an icky congested cough but we didn’t treat her like she had Covid and her death certificate didn’t say Covid. I’m at the age that the shingles vax is being pushed on me but because I’ve noticed that nearly everyone I know that has gotten it gets a bad reaction AND a bad case of shingles...many on the face. I had decided I would forego the vax because why get it if it makes you sick AND you still get shingles. Anyway, I started thinking about some of my experiences with the flu and recall that my young son never caught my flu’s and vice versa. I was a single parent and had to care for him regardless. Also, I have worked as a nurse for 18+ years and have been face to face with TB positive people (before knowing their diagnosis in the ER) the ER doctors wouldn’t even bat an eye as they say they’ve had too many encounters of TB+ patients who’ve coughed in their faces. Alarming, considering they teach us you must isolate/quarantine them if contacting them. But, do you know how many TB+ peeps live among us? In SF, it’s a lot! Anyway, I’m nobody and certainly not a genius but I wonder why I can work among sick people and have not caught anything. I wonder how humans can exist despite the dangerous viruses among us.
Hey there Nurse Christine. . . Interesting observations. I'm wondering too. Last year tonight, we hosted 37 people at our home for a presentation on Survival Skills. 20 of the attendees and the presenter came down with the bioweapon (it was not a flu, virus, cold for my husband or me...it was the strangest 'thing' we've experienced and we were out for a month - me on oxygen for most of the month). How did more than 1/2 of the people get it at the same time, when the other 1/2 did not? PS - we did not share food at this presentation. A month after we recovered, we got blood tested to check our CON-vid antibodies and mine were off the charts. What the fuck did we have? And how did so many get it at once? xo Hope to see you soon.
I have no idea. I’m not a scientist…not even close. I’m trying to wrap my head around so many things that have come to my attention during this plandemic that it seems to get more convoluted as time goes on. I too got “the bioweapon” that wasn’t a true flu or even a respiratory illness. I assumed I “caught” it from my BF who “caught” it 3 days before me. Looking back, who knows if my mind was set on becoming symptomatic or if I really did catch something. Ended up sicker for longer than my BF, too. He had a runny nose and mild temp for one day whereas I had a raging headache, sore throat, moderate temp with chills and major brain fog and pounding heart rate. I did not feel concerned about this illness since I’ve had far worse illnesses to compare from. I think we are extremely complicated organisms and we are saturated by many stressors that maybe we will never fully understand but one things for sure that I no longer trust the medical system and I definitely don’t trust our government. ❤️
I’m wondering how many of the 20 were taking prophylactic IVM? Or anything In comparison to those who remained well? Ages? How much emf are people exposed to? How many are exposed to the shedders? I suppose I also shed, or have shed, since I was duped (and coerced) into taking 2 nasty jabs.
There’s so many questions to be asked that I wonder why the experts aren’t trying to figure this stuff out. Well, we know why….$.
I would be interested in how many had been vaxed and when.
I believe this group are unvaxxed. I found them after I “woke” up
But how many ‘woke up’ and how many saw through it before the vax?
Great information 👍🏻
Thank you for sharing it Christine.
🛎🛎🛎
OMG, another Virus Pusher digging in to an untenable position. Good luck with that!
Pro tip: May need a bigger shovel.
Hey, if you believe that viruses exist, would you be interested in a couple cases of Unicorn Repellent? I can get you a wholesale price.
Or maybe you'd be interested in my new book: "The Migratory Routes of the Western Jackalope"?
I personally THANK GOD for Dr Andrew Kaufman, because he's the guy who basically convinced me, using very simple logic. And then I found Dr. Tom Cowan. And Dr. Amandha Dawn Vollmer. Then Tom Barnett.
Then I discovered people like Jon Rappoport, Dr Kevin Corbett, Dr. Stefan Lanka, David Crowe, and Eleni Papadopoulos-Eleopoulos/The Perth Group had figured out The Great Virus Swindle 30 years ago!!!
Not enough people would listen back then.
But plenty of people are listening now!
According to Steve Kirsch's own poll, 31% (1 in 3) of HIS OWN AUDIENCE don't believe his BS about viruses! That is a HUGE PERCENTAGE!!! In 2019, it would have been 0.01% (1 in 10,000) or less.
So for some reason, the Perth Group, et. al., could never get the momentum going back then. The truth has been known that long!
But they are listening now. And so many great people have joined the fight: Eric Francis Coppolino (Planet Waves-- possibly the world's greatest authority on the PCR "test"), Christine Massey, MSc and her FOI responses from 200 institutions in 40 nations, NONE OF WHICH can find any evidence that this alleged "virus" has ever existed, anywhere on the planet, outside of an in-silico, computer model.
Then add Mike Stone (viroLIEgy), Dawn Lester and David Parker ("What really makes us Ill?"), Kate Sugak (filmmaker), Mike Wallach (filmmaker), the amazing Steve Falconer (Spacebusters), Alec Danny Zeck, ...
OMG! How could I forget Drs. Mark and Sam Bailey, from New Zealand!? A powerhouse. These dynamic duo produce some of the highest quality work available. Sam's videos are funny, and engaging, and most of all, smart. And Mark is there behind the scenes doing a lot of the deep dives into the scientific literature.
...Each and every one of these beautiful people brings something new and unique to the table.
There is an EXPLOSION OF DOUBT happening now, a "Paradigm Shift" exactly defined by Kuhn.
We have a sh1t ton of anomalous data now, portending a massive and rare earth-shattering 7.0-scale paradigm shift, and that is from exposing a 150 year old swindle, which has grown to dominate our lives, own our governments.
This swindle is fixin' to be dismantled.
You Virus Pushers are on a Sinking Ship.
I would suggest that you start looking for an ESCAPE ROUTE,
e.g., a Life-Boat, or at least a Personal Flotation Device.
Is that German New Medicine?
Yeah, I've been hearing a lot of people mentioning it. I need to learn more about it.
What a ridiculous post Igor. I thought you were better (or at minimum smarter) than this. You found some irrelevant sub stack that none of the most main no-virus voices are even aware of so this MEANS it is a psyop? Please explain away the obvious no sequitur logical fallacy here.
I cant help but think the evidence of a psyop being one person that alleges it is is a psyop is akin to the evidence of particles unable to be found in a human host is different dying culture with stuff added to make the culture die.
Why dont you actually converse with some of the no virus team. There is only 20 or so of them with a profile.
Lets also get straight. They are REFUTING A THEORY based on insufficient evidence. NOT providing a new theory. And guess what.... we all got chickenpox, as im sure you are aware, is not quite up to scientific scratch to show viruses exist.
Their evidence for refutation is clear and simple. Maybe tackle that instead of simply appealing to your base that will all ignore the glaring logic omissions you have made simply to tell themselves they are still on the right side.
When they can’t argue with the FACTS, they will shame and ridicule the PERSON. It’s a classic ad hominem technique. People are far more afraid of being ridiculed and shamed than searching for and expressing truths.
If it is a psyop, are eminent doctors who have studied this stuff for years and came to the conclusion that viruses don't exist in on the scam? Are they all de facto charlatans, peddling snake oil? Or, maybe, they are on to something, something that needs further study well beyond back and forth discussions on Substack.
The whole thing was shoehorned in with the therefore the clotshot was useless. It was an attempt to package the anti-shot crowd with these idiots and by doing so discredit the anti-shot crowd as nut jobs. It was a failure because of people like yourself and the others you mention. A hat tip to you and them sir.
Viruses are a myth. A boogeyman. A mistaken belief system that serves no one but pharma and the medical complex. Virology is the modern version of phrenology. A broken belief system supported by pseudoscience which is clear to anyone who actually takes the time examine and critically appraise the published journal articles in the field. I say that as a free thinking person. If you disagree, that's fine with me. But this idea that the virus model MUST BE TRUE is absurd. Why must viruses exist - even though they cannot be found in human or animal bodies and the science of their "proof" doesn't meet the standards of a 7th grade science fair? This article is classic witch-hunting.
So, how do people get infected from each other.
For example, my Covid started on Nov 18, 2020. My coworkers covid started on Nov 22, 2020 because I infected them.
How do you explain this please if "viruses do not exist"
Wow. Really? This is some basic logic we are talking about here. There are a million reasons why people in the same place could get sick at the same time. Let me throw your logic back at you. If you assert that "demons" make people sick and are contagious, and then I say demons don't exist, why on earth would you reply back "but i got sick right after my friend, so demons MUST exist." This is ABSURDLY BAD LOGIC. The only reason it passes out of people with a ticking brain cell is that folks have been virtually hypnotized into this absurd superstition. It's just flabbergasting that people who are intelligent enough to sign up for a substack authorship are still foggy enough in their logic to ask questions as baseless as this. I don't mean any offense by that. Honestly, I am just trying to sort of linguistically shock you out of this hypo-thinking. Let me try another tack. I read that you are a mathematician, how does your logic stand up in a geometric proof? But let me say this, not ONLY is this the kind of insanely simplistic and logically flawed question i am constantly dealing with, it is THIS LEVEL of THINKING that forms the ENTIRE FOUNDATION OF THE FIELD OF VIROLOGY. I kid you not!
To answer your question a bit more directly - there are many many reasons why you and your friends may have gotten sick at similar times in similar places. Many of them can answer your question without any appeal to contagion. Others can appeal to contagion, but have no need to appeal to viruses. As to the ACTUAL reason you got sick, man, how on earth do you expect me to know why YOU got sick on such and such day in such and such place, as well as why YOUR FRIEND got sick on such and such day in such and such place. That's totally hilariously absurd. Maybe you all drank from the same polluted tap water. I have NO idea. There are a thousand reasons why you could have gotten sick. But I am glad you are on your way to thinking about all of this!
It is on your "team" to figure out the alternative factors causing contagious illness. You can report back once you have some.
No, the burden of proof is on people proposing an object (virus) or process (contagion) -- not on people asking for evidence of the same.
If you have a scientific publication testing and demonstrating contagion, please report back here. Meanwhile, there are studies showing that contagion doesn't happen even when circumstances are well arranged to produce it (e.g. the Rosenau experiments https://viroliegy.com/2021/10/03/the-infectious-myth-busted-part-1-the-rosenau-spanish-flu-experiments-1918/ )
So. Your proof of non-transmissibility of viral illness is a single study from 1919?
Did you see the "e.g." -- meaning "for example"? There are plenty of studies failing to find contagion despite trying.
Done. The burden has been lifted: learninggnm.com
But I wonder if that’s really what you wanted… or expected. We’ll see.
A blog link does not qualify as scientific evidence. The final stage of the scientific method is to ensure that the predicted results are reproducible by several independent experimenters with properly performed experiments. Please post the experiments.
Nope, you’re going to have to do the work here. I’ve led hundreds of horses to this spring, step by step to show them the “proof” of gnm, they just stop talking and go away (very quietly, without a fuss). Nothing changes, until they’re ready. The verifications, logic, and independent proofs are in that link. Yes there are still unanswered questions and new horizons to explore from these discoveries. Id be happy to bounce off ideas if you have any questions or criticisms. But that requires learning the newly discovered biological laws and the basic premises at least. What will you get out of doing this? You’ll get the first reliable answer to the age old question about disease causality that predicts diseases before they occur (like any other natural science investigating phenomena should be able to do) and without statistical guess work. Some people don’t see the relevance of that statement, and that’s fine.
“I have NO idea.”
Correct.
But why did they react 4 days after meeting the infected me
For what it’s worth..my wife and I raised three boys. We have searched our memories whether either of us have been sick at the same time. My wife remembers once. I can’t recall any times. However viruses tend to emerge during abrupt weather changes. When this happens our biome has to change its basic functioning. If I eat a lot of dairy and then weather turns cold and damp dairy might not be the best thing. So my already phlegm ridden body does what it is supposed to and rids itself of the accumulation. Ergo families who eat the same thing might tend during weather changes to cleanse together. In my wife’s and my case we actually eat a lot of different foods. Which might be why we don’t cleanse together. I’m not saying this disproves viral theory but it might be one mechanism why contagion seems to happen from one to another. It could be too when one person cleanses, ie sneezes/coughs etc this causes others to inhale this and this triggers a sympathetic cleansing response. It might also be every body produces substances which cause it to cleanse undigested junk periodically. These agents that cleanse might be passed on to others through symptoms. All of that could be part of what is ‘contagious’. When I’m fact it is not contagion at all and if one didn’t need cleansing nothing would get passed on.
why did some not react at all, and why would some get sick later?
what's up with 4 days that you are so hang up about that?
Didn't you read the earlier reply from Michael Wallach?
He explained in quite detail the flawed reasoning you have on this..
Oh, I got sick around same time with a few of my coworkers.. it must be a virus!
No, dummy, it doesn't have to be a virus, there are a gazillion of other possible reasons, but if you just go and assume there is a 'virus' without proper investigation, you will never know what it was.
You have exact same type of reasoning as religious people: they don't know how/why some natural phenomena occurs, so it must be God! God did it, problem solved!
In your case, it was a virus, problem solved, why bother finding out the real cause?
Fascinating, thank you.
In college, I would often fall sick hours after turning in my last end-of-semester exam. It reminds me of the bakery example. (The more conventional explanation is that the stress of the semester or exam week keeps cortisol high, which suppresses the immune system. When the stress goes, the immune system wakes up and starts attacking the viruses lying in wait, which produces the symptoms. But I now find that explanation hard to credit.)
Where does your quoted text come from?
Great resource. Thank you!
I have seen housemates with differing schedules and stress levels catching a cold from one of their co-habitors. Stress is generally a contributing, not an initiating, factor.
And I've seen housemates which did not get sick from each other.
You are proposing a non-falsifiable hypothesis.. if they get sick, it's from the virus. If they don't get sick, it's because of the immune system.
That's what usually religious people do..
It’s not “stress” as much as an unexpected biological shock that lasted for some time then resolved leading to the restoration symptoms. The shock actually imprints in the part of the brain controlling the specific afflicted organ, and this imprint can be seen on a computer tomography scan. So it’s a new falsifiable science of medicine that explains (and predicts) disease symptoms. It hasn’t been falsified (only ridiculed), and for thousands of people now, it’s been affirmed with brain scans and all. New paradigm is upon us.
You’ve stated that your illness was the cause of your coworkers’ illness but how would you prove causation? Or is this only correlation? Could simply being exposed to the same environmental toxins cause all the illnesses? Are you aware there is no scientific proof of contagion and every study that sought to prove it failed? Every. Single. One. Are we just going to throw out the scientific method if it doesn’t confirm our biases?
I have had colds during periods of isolation from other human beings. The last 3 years I have made every effort to mix with other humans and have failed to ‘catch’ even the mildest cold let alone convid.
You're acting like you haven't gotten thousands of valid responses to this very question before 😜 You have every right to stick to the belief that you infected your coworkers with a virus. The fear of getting sick is far more contagious. We just had to let unreliable COVID tests take care of the rest...
It really doesn’t take the existence of
a “virus” to make you and others ill, they’re literally dozens if not hundreds of potential causes. It’s crucial to understand the logic of correlation not implying causation.
The proof is in the pudding…the nasty, evil, destructive pudding.