Unsustainable according to whom? The food production has kept well ahead of the population growth. There are enough fossil fuel resources to keep things running for several hundred years if needed. Given human ingenuity I would say that we will find other ways of keeping things running long before we ran out fossil fuels. Climate change?…
Unsustainable according to whom? The food production has kept well ahead of the population growth. There are enough fossil fuel resources to keep things running for several hundred years if needed. Given human ingenuity I would say that we will find other ways of keeping things running long before we ran out fossil fuels. Climate change? Seriously? Have a look at the Roman records - they were growing vineyards in places far up north in the UK, places which are still too cold now to support that sort of crop. Greenland was settled by the Vikings because it was livable. It is all BS and it plays right in the hands of a bunch of psychos that would love to rule every corner of this world. How can these psychos get away with things that normally would cause upheaval? It is an emergency, it is a crisis - throw out the rule book and do this before the sky is falling. After the Covid scam, hopefully people will start to wake up to the reality.
I think that the quality of the food depends on the culture and the emphasis put on good quality product. Some of the things that were common practice in the UK for example would have been blasphemous in other parts of Europe (cow feed was incomprehensible - the cows were effectively cannibals). Similarly, in Belgium where some farms were using motor oil in the chicken and cow feed. BTW, the quality has gone done the drain for most things. Most things made in China are abysmal. Take for example washing machines - they used to last decades. Now if you get five years out of one, you are doing well. The quality of the clothing material is just appalling but people buy it anyway. To be honest I do understand it though as most people have problems paying key bills like electricity or gas.
100% agreement on psychos wanting to get the hoi polloi sick. Have a look at the concerted effort to get bug flour normalized. Never thought I would have to check for it but there you have it. Now it is necessary.
Why, when the concept of 'Climate Change' comes up, do people think we're mad? What's wrong with just trying to live more sustainably...simply because you can?! What's wrong with trying to live more in harmony with the Earth instead of raping the world of its non-renewable resources and saying things like:
"There are enough fossil fuel resources to keep things running for several hundred years if needed. Given human ingenuity I would say that we will find other ways of keeping things running long before we ran out fossil fuels."
I think you'll find humans would only start focusing on other energy sources when they were but 15 years shy of running out! Humans aren't too smart in general. They act when and only if they have to, like a lazy lion.
If we want more non-renewable resources, we might just have to wait a few million years+ for all that plant matter to decompose enough. Not really likely. So then we move to nuclear power....and take MORE resources from the earth...and then we shoot the spent fuel rods into space because too many people are getting cancer from these rods buried all over the place....and the fish are getting weird or dying out with those that got dumped in the deep ocean...and then when all else fails, we try to colonise another planet....
In the meantime, we continue burning fossil fuels at stupidly high levels, polluting our air and ruining our health. Having done a Geology degree and having been a Chiropractor for 16 years, it seems a bit stupid for people to effectively shit in their water. Why not just make things work better over generations? And no, that does not include everyone eating bugs and living in high rises and doing everything the govt tells them to!
The thing is, climates DO change, that's pretty normal. Sometimes it's colder and sometimes it's warmer, and sometimes it's stormier, and there are levels upon levels of patterns at play.
There are some of us out there that would like us to all live in harmony a bit better - because if we don't, some crazies like Bill Gates & the WEF are going to crack down on us all and make most people adhere to their nutjob policies - which are basically unemotive ways to move forward as an effective insect colony.
I'm never going to wake up to us using up all the earth's non-renewable resources just because we can. We have a duty of care to this planet. It is our home. And we should respect it. Would we just take take take from our parents all the time, or would we give back sometimes? I think we've taken quite enough for quite long enough, and it's time to stop being so greedy as a species. BUT there are so many ways we can do this - kindly, ethically & humanely. People might do better looking at this from another angle.
When I was in college I took an ecological science class. We were told that the world would be 100% depleted of every drop of oil in 22 years. I never forgot that.
However, I took that class in 1990. 2012 has come and gone and lo and behold, there is still oil to be found on planet Earth.
It is not just oil - there are massive resources of natural gas that are easily accessible so whenever I hear that we hit peak oil and we are done, I know that I am listening to someone with an agenda rather than someone that is honest and knows the facts.
Ummm...all I suggested was that humans would only start looking for other energy sources when they were down to their last 15 years of non-renewables. I didn't say WHEN that 15 years was. You are putting words in my mouth!!! Of course we have more than 15 years' worth of non-renewables in the ground. Perhaps you could've read my comment correctly, or perhaps I could've said "humans would only start SERIOUSLY focusing on PERMANENT ALTERNATE energy sources when they were but 15 years shy of running out OF NON-RENEWABLES" - would that make more sense to you?!
I still stand by my argument that humans aren't interested in change until they have their hand forced. And right now, even with covid and the crazy WEF, their hand is STILL not forced. For the most part, it will literally take oil wells running dry and natural gas reserves all becoming empty for people to go 'oh, what are we going to do now?'...! And that, my friend, is MANY years off, and so humans will do nothing to try to live more in harmony with the Earth in the meantime.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Mine is that the climate change or whatever it is called these days is a massive scam that is run by the same filth that gave Covid and the jabs. I am for cleaner living but I also want for things to improve not get worse. Smart people do things better - they do not go back to the stone age for the sake of Gaia. Every generation before the 60s tried to do things to improve the quality of life and ensure that their kids would do even better. That changed quickly and a lot of nonsense has become "the standard". The idea that we use too much shows that anti-human nihilism is accepted "wisdom" and fits better in a cult than a civilised world. Who judges what is too much and what is right? Typically, frauds or people that have no idea what they are talking about. I still remember the discussion between a local farmer and an "expert" in land management that came to educate the farmer on how to do "things in a sustainable manner". The idiot's advice was to stop burning the excess growth because that will improve the overall environment. Fortunately, the farmer ignored the "advice" and in the process kept his house and barns from burning down when a spot fire took hold on the property. These days all "clean living" is geared towards doing incredibly stupid stuff (how many people know the exploitation and pollution associated with an electric car?) because it is trendy or alternatively, we have give up fundamental stuff when it is not necessary (give up milk and replace with some chemical concoction that may have some traces of almond or something similar). If one were to do a realistic evaluation of the everything that is supposedly sustainable and echo-friendly, the results would be that these are massive scams that do great deal more harm than good and involve giving a bunch of non-elected filth absolute power over everything. Germany is an awesome example. They went green and spent more than 800 billion euro on wind and solar facilities and incentives. Solar in Germany, where in winter it gets dark at 4:30pm and it stays that way until 8am then next day. They were also dumb enough to close down their nuclear power plants though their country is tectonically stable. What did this get them? Most likely a bankrupt country that will shiver in winter. No thanks. I lived in communism and guess what? It was not fun living in poverty and Gaia did not get better. The people in the West need to wake up to the fact that all these peddlers of the "sustainable" living are complete frauds (Al Gore is a quintessential example) or are funded by world players that want complete dominance over the world. China builds coal power plants every week while the lemmings in the West demolish theirs. Utter insanity. In Victoria they have had power cuts because the idiot in charge went all green. The Chinese must be rolling on the floor laughing at the West's stupidity and ignorance.
Sure, countries sometimes make stupid decisions that don't suit their terrain. Maybe they should make better informed decisions. Or maybe they're just human and honestly can't do any better.
Even reading the science on it all, my Instinct says burning excessive fossils fuels (note I wrote 'excessive') is dumb and nuclear power is ludicrous.
I expected better from the Germans to be honest. Their energy policies have been expensive and monumentally stupid for decades. It is as if they were in a competition to prove that they were the dumbest bunch in Europe and they paid stupendous amounts of money to prove it. Nuclear power has had a bad reputation and it is based on the assumption that we have no idea how to reuse or store properly the spent fuel. All nonsense but it is very catchy and gets people really worked up about it. The propaganda media that was so good at convincing people that the jabs are "safe and effective" and "stop transmission" are very much responsible for the hysteria (as usual the media is responsible for propagating and enforcing massive lies). BTW, the money for the campaign against nuclear power came from ... the Middle East (yep, the Arabs really care about the environment of the kuffa countries). If one is objective and informed, the opinion changes quickly. Ask the French - they get their power from nuclear and it worked out OK. In fact they are smart enough to build more.
This is a great little article, even though it's from 2012. The comments are also very interesting.
Because humans are such great marketers to the point that they are willing to crush others' leaps forwards (think fossil fuel industry trying to crush their opposition), how are we, as a species, ever going to move forwards?
There's ALWAYS someone crying "It's safe & effective!" because they want to sell THEIR thing - regardless of whether it's helpful or good or safe or effective!
I don't trust nuclear because I don't trust humans. And because no matter what you do with spent fuel, there's still a LOT of half-lives to consider!! And my life and my grandkids' lives (and everyone else's!) will be well and truly over before we've even got this spent fuel rod business half-figured out. WE KNOW there's a radiation problem and we KNOW we have to bury them, like forever, but we still keep using it. Kind of reminds me of the heroin addict: "I know it's bad, but man! It feels so good!"
Safe and effective.
Riiiight.
See, this lack of trust is what KEEPS me alive - and if you converse with many people who didn't take the jab, you will find that there is a high percentage of them who are 'survivors' already (bad childhood, poor relationships, being oppressed in life by people/govt, bullying etc etc). Maybe we're lucky to be alive, but maybe we listened to our Intuition as well. Doesn't your intuition worry at least slightly about radiation risks on our biological system - and our DNA future - from using nuclear fuel?
The fight over climate change has caused us to ignore
1) Oceans fished out
2) loss of soil nutrition
3) mass extinctions
And a ton of other serious issues.
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We've been living off a massive inheritance of natural resources, seemingly trying to spend them as fast as we can, and taking for granted the ability of the earth to transmute any poisons we put in it.
That is insane.
Not to mention a simple concept like respect for nature.
I personally prefer nature that's green trees and oceans and even soil microbes to humans! Humans are Life, too, but they just don't know when to stop. When Nature puts the finger on us, we just press ahead anyway. Madness comes to mind.
People rarely see the big picture and are not so good as extrapolation. They see the Here And Now. They don't stop to think about the soil quality (which is where we grow our food), just that food turns up in supermarkets, so all must be well (enough). But have you not noticed how food, even organic, doesn't taste as good as it used to? Food is BLAND now - and that is because the soil is no good. And if we keep doing what we're doing, food won't be food at all in the future. People are hurtling towards dystopia and they can't, no, WON'T see it. They call you and I mad and continue on their hellbent path. All we're doing is asking people to consider other options. But it seems that is too hard for most people :-(
We had a hybrid solar system + batteries for 5+ years (until we sold that place). It was fantastic. Amazingly efficient system. And when the locals all got blackouts...we didn't! Silent electricity. Awesome. We're getting one on our new place soon.
I think the elite have been forced to embrace solar. They neg it as much as possible all the while pouring money into solar farms. solar puts a spanner in their CO2 is killing the planet BS. Battery technology and mining is moving leaps and bounds (IBATF extracts lithium direct from brine with no pollution). Soon your car will have solar paint, get 20 miles a day free into its batteries and be topped up by house solar.
Robyn I honestly don’t think that most of us here are all about raping Mother Earth for all her resources until she flops over dead. What needs to happen first is for the culling of the best and brightest to immediately stop. For all we know the person who would have invented that which would have saved us all will now no longer be born because his or her mother died suddenly and unexpectedly at 16, or 20 or some other outrageous age because she was helping the world by getting a Covid shot. We must stop the travesty at hand to have hope for the future.
Agreed. Most do not want to totally ruin the Earth or have unnecessary deaths. But perhaps we are MEANT to have this travesty occur because it is the culmination of Modern Times and could almost be considered a homage to how we have lost our Instinct.
Or perhaps those who are here today are not actually MEANT to be here - except by the grace of modern medicine? After all, if you give life, you can take it away. Modern medicine has certainly taken a lot of lives, but it has also extended lives. Now they are taking them. In some twisted way, I think they have the right. If multiple generations are not going to stand up for their Instinct and instead hand it over to TPTB, you can't exactly complain that you're not getting treated well. People. in the western world especially, have been living in a dreamworld for decades. Nature just says it's time to burst that bubble, I guess...
No one is saying we have to just keep going with gas and oil and pollution.....what they have learned is there is no shortage, so stop the fear mongering of scarcity of energy into the consciousness and let’s buckle down and find cleaner energy . It’s hard to concentrate on new renewables when you are in fear all the time. I haven’t spoken to one person who didn’t know we have to clean up and change our mindsets about energy. There are quite a few patents that are not being allowed that would solve this problem.
But, given that most people read and watch only MSM sources, they have mostly bought into the ideas that 'the end is nigh' and 'something must be done'.
We can only hope that the coming winter (in cold places like the UK) will convince more of them that the current direction will make the rest of their lives increasingly miserable.
I hope you wake up to the damage you can do.. clodhopping around the world destroying everything in sight... time to go extinct don't you think? Or would you rather take us all down with you?
I am well awake to nonsense pushed by a lot of either ignorant or devious people. It is a free world. Anyone who thinks that the answer is to go back to the stone age because of the climate or environment crisis is welcomed to get a head start. Go build a mud shack in the middle of nowhere and live off the land. Without fire or meat - watch out for that nasty carbon. In 40-50 years, everything can be re-evaluated based on actual evidence of how the world progresses, not some made up nonsense compiled by some dim bulbs that never stepped out of a city. No one is stopping those who want to live like our ancestors did 5000 years ago, as in before larger settlements were becoming common. As you put it so well, if that is what some people want, why I should have to go down with them? I had same nonsense preached to me about the Covid jab - "You endanger me, anti-vaxxer! How can you be so selfish and kill the elderly?".
Absolutely. The ones pushing this nonsense are also the ones that are "more equal" than us and need to stay around. Isn't their selfless sacrifice touching?
How does this disprove my point? Many of those pestering us that the end is near are not wealthy - they are unemployed idiots who think that they have found a purpose in life. As far as the wealthy goes, yep, many of them have no idea about what is going on and live in their own reality. They have been dumber than a lot of the average income hoi polloi to get jabbed over and over and now they keel over. Not exactly shocking in my opinion. Also, quite valid that the ones with money are vacuous and stupid enough NOT to have kids. Many live incredibly empty and depressing lives despite the money. I know because some of my relatives by marriage are very wealthy and their lives revolve around going to coffee shops and watching other people go about their lives. It is as if their wealth took their brain away assuming that they had some to start with. Talk about a massive waste.
I'm for depopulation Don, but the natural method when more affluent people decide to not have kids.. when the kids are so damn dysfunctional that they can't mate... That's the non violent way it should happen... others say nuclear war is the way... they're psychos tho.
Malthus has been used by the ruling classes to justify their thefts of the commons for generations. But just on its own, Malthusianism is just wrong, not just morally wrong but factually wrong. The Science of Scarcity of Thatcher and Reagan will give way to a new way of thinking more like that of FDR and JFK.
Ah, but I have already said that I am happy to go if depopulation is on the agenda. BUT I'm not going without a fight, and without a good cause. Currently I feel I can do more living than dead.
Well I've come in contact with some spirits and ghosts in my time (and trust me, I never thought I would! But sometimes life doesn't turn out like you thought it might...). They are not always nice, but ultimately, they have very little control over things. Having a body is a very useful thing indeed! And when connected to a decent brain, there's an awful lot it can do! Perhaps not enough people are aware of this, so they don't put either their brain or body to good use.
I'd just like to use my time here for good rather than evil. And when my time is up, my time is up. So I try to do things that I find are useful.
For the record, though, I am almost never illogical. I might not always explain myself as well as some would like (my brain works very fast!) but logic and practicality tend to be my calling cards ;-)
That's good to know. I too have sworn to use my powers for good. It's impossible to get a handle on someone through brief Internet comments that have little context. I wasn't judging, more like teasing out your position.
You keep going the way you are and we will be living in a new stone age.. not just the climat my friend.. plenty of systems are collapsing.. fish in the sea, insects on the land.. going going going.....
Heh, I will take my chances. The sky has been falling since the 70's and it is still falling. This end of the world nonsense reminds of the cultists that keep warning the non-believers and then having to re-adjust each time a new end of days date passed by.
However, as I said before, it is a free world and I am very much of the opinion "Live and let live". As long as people stop pestering me with this sort of nonsense, all good. The saddest thing about all this is that things can be done to improve life and because of doom predictors we let opportunities pass us by. The "experts" were saying that the East Coast of Australia was going to be increasingly drier and hence no point in building any more dams - not enough rain to fill them. That was 20 years ago - the last 18 years have seen a ton more rain than in the previous 2 decades. Just ask the people in Queensland. Where I live, the place was supposed to be deserted by now because of lack of rain. Nope, none of that "expertly" predicted stuff happened. If these "sages" would have checked the historical records, they would have seen that this is all cyclical and us humans have a far smaller impact than claimed.
Sane thoughts. I saw a painting of the Rock of Gibralter back in like 1620?... and another photo of it today, more or less, but recently. SAME LEVEL of the ocean...
And how many of us can go and count the polar bears? It seems, actually that they're doing okay.
With quite a number, yes, it does work unfortunately. Even when faced with clear evidence that they are wrong, they persist (same as with Covid - the jab works, well OK, the booster works, no wait, the next booster will WORK, so on). My favourite is the expeditions that go to collect evidence that the ice coverage is shrinking and they have to get rescued by ice-breakers., year after year.
I don't think there have been claims the oceans have risen much in the past centuries.. it's the future that is in question.. and most likely they will rise but by how much? and how soon? stay tuned.
What I'm trying to say is, be careful what you choose to believe.
I used to think it was true that there's global warming and so forth... Turns out we're actually in a cooling phase. Can I prove it to you right now? No. But I watched a lot of videos with people who DO know, and they explain it, and show how they come to that, and it makes much more sense than claims I hear that have NO EVIDENCE. I look for evidence.
I think there's enough actual EVIL going on to scare the shit out of anybody, and we don't need to be scared about anything that isn't actually true. That's my view and maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like I've done my homework. I wish I could just show you all this, give you links or something, but I don't KEEP everything... xo
The fact that there are cycles doesn't mean humans have little impact. The trouble is we take sides in this debate according to our biases and not according to evidence which is far more difficult to parse than the data that Igor puts out. It's a big ol chaos out there and we're learning more about it all the time. They are getting pretty good at predicting the weather a week or two out so there's that. But i think we ought to be cautious rather than blusterous. Like in Ukraine. Maybe not go taunting a nuclear power. Know what i mean?
The fact that the cycle has not been affected one iota is my point. If the impact was as large as claimed, that cycle would have been impacted in some fashion - this has not happened and it does not look like it will either. The fact that we can predict weather supposedly a week out (in my experience, three days ahead is as good as they get) shows how useless we are at predictions despite all the tech. This makes all the nonsense predictions decades from now that much more implausible.
As far as Ukraine goes, that is not a worry. The Russians are the sane ones and will just get the job done according to their own requirements. The idea that they will do something very stupid is just propaganda from dimwits like those from CNN and MSNBC.
A littel early to tell if cycles have been affected isn't it. If the cycles are centuries long or longer... we can't sit around and wait a few centuries and see what happens... time to get to new technologies.. and give up on the old and toxic ones.. asap.
What makes you different? You are obviously on an Internet connected computer. What powers it? What do you eat? Where do you live, in a building? What resources do you delete at your job?
I live in a cabin surrounded by fir forests.. plenty to burn.. i grow a good percentage of my own food.. i'm on a micro hydro system.. i don't have a job per se... i do drive a car... not that many can live like me tho... and i do consider many who have jobs in the city shuffling paper around are kinda like useless eaters... they tend to just make life harder for people with their excess bureaucracy... but on the bright side they're having less children now
I am??? Just cause i think a lot of people offer no product or services of value and yet they consume plenty. Consumption is really the point i suppose. Keep that economy roaring along. Why there's a book out now that says we can and we should. That's enough for some i suppose. So your choice. Go the way of the dodo bird, or voluntarily restrain yourself and enjoy a more simple and yet productive life. Being a bureaucrat doesn't qualify.
Yeah, global pricing doesn't make much sense in an oil rich country like Canada to be paying the same price at the pump as UK say... And global pricing can be manipulated easily by big players.
It's this sort of attitude that has me perplexed. On one hand you and plenty of others with similar views will join forces with people (whom you might not normally) over covid, but you'll resort to the "can't see it, can't hear it" type of thinking with regards to the climate and the planet and energy sources.
Is the crux of it that most people are deathly afraid of returning to cave-man status (which honestly is about where we all belong as a species in my books! The silicon chip is WAAAAY too advanced for us) - without their computers and their modern day lifestyles?
boriquagato/el gat malo/Bad Cattitude have subscribers galore with your type of thinking. They pooh-pooh anyone who thinks differently when it comes to climate/energy - yet if we close off that debate, we are no different to those who are pro-covid vs those who are anti-covid. People are just not very good at keeping open minds it would seem!
Maybe I'll just go back to writing my books and not bother with these substacks. I write my comments not for me, but for others to consider, but I think I've mostly come to the end of the line on it. People are people and they've always been people and they like to fight and cause problems and sometimes solve them and often make them worse. They have their good points but they have more bad than good IMO. Perhaps the religious are right - we ARE sinners. So do we keep living in sin and not truly learn, or do we realise we are also capable of rising above it all? The problem is that so few ARE capable of rising above it all, Miko. How do you save a species when most of them don't even know they need saving?! I think the answer is: you don't. We're living in very perplexing times...
The modern lifestyle in the West as it is right now is not something that I would regard as a model to copy. I would argue that the current model is something to avoid as it is designed to destroy the family unit and all aspects of morality. It is clearly devoid of purpose and self destructing. The US large cities are a showcase of how bad things get when people without purpose and morals are in charge. They care only about power and will do anything to keep that power. You get more dead in Chicago every weekend than you get on the border of Armenia & Azerbaijan which is still in a low level state of war.
I think that tech is now way overused and if the society is to improve, mind destroying garbage like Tik Tok and Faceborg/Metaborg needs to be gone, permanently. It only encourages a selfish, drone like mentality that got us in the Covid mess almost overnight. Instead of spending time with family, way too many people spend time on pointless garbage in front of a screen. No wonder so many people are depressed. They are literally at sea without a working rudder.
On energy and climate, it is a case that we just disagree. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. In the case of nuclear energy I have had a look at the facts and I see things very differently. Just for disclosure, I was roughly 900 kms away from Chernobyl when that mess happened. I also have nuclear physicist friends who have had very interesting views on the topic (definitely no consensus there). Hence, I think I understand the risks about nuclear power well enough. The reaction of most people is somewhat understandable as most of the information they get is from the media which is not in any shape or form a neutral arbiter.
The climate change business is definitely a massive scam and not all changes lead to the end of world. I could go on for pages on the failed "predictions" of how everything is getting worse and we have only 10-20 years to save ourselves. Not true. I still have the cut outs of the articles from the late 1990's and early 2000's saying that the UK will never see snow after the 2008. I kept copies because I recognized then that this was nonsense and I wanted to keep the evidence. Every single generation there has been a group that would agitate about some world calamity and like at all times in history, the world kept moving on especially once the doomsday predictions failed to materialize. The difference is that this is now being actively weaponized against everyone by well resourced psychos that want a1984 kind of world that they get to run. I do not want a world in which I am not allowed to travel because of carbon emissions. I do not want a world in which I have to eat bugs because apparently it saves the planet (which it does not). Yet that is the direction we are heading if we go along with the climate change scam. Covid was an eye opener of what happens idiots and psychos get a free pass to do whatever they please.
Final point - I like the Substack format especially in the format that Igor runs. Everyone gets a say and that is why it is worth reading. It provides alternate points of view and often one learns new facts. I read it and post on it because it allows almost 100% uncensored discussion - I have no expectations of agreement from the readers of my posts and I will say it one more - you are entitled to your own opinion and have every right to support your view with whatever facts/info you deem useful. Giving up on the platform because there is disagreement on some topic is unfortunate but again, everyone makes their own decisions.
Newsweek article, April 28, 1975: "Cooling World." I have a copy of it on my computer, it was called "climatic" change then. We were supposedly heading into a mini ice age of sorts. All kinds of dire predictions just like we are hearing now. Hilarious to read, a 47 year old blast from the past, and perhaps the birth of the climate change scam industry.
I think that the end of world is coming scam is as old as civilization itself. The difference is that this sort of scam used to have a limited reach and it used to alternate (we will freeze vs we will burn) as one scam was proven to be just that - a scam.
Now, a bunch of demented individuals with a fixation on controlling everything and everyone (because they know better) have latched on to this nonsense and sadly, they are making progress. I have seen a media drive to normalize implants (you no longer need keys or cards for shopping - it is all done via a subcutaneous chip) that would allow the sort of surveillance and control, which would make China look like a free country. Norway is testing a card system that tracks all transactions on the basis of carbon usage and when your quota is gone, no more transactions. Hard to believe that people are that stupid and ignorant, but they are. How many people got Alexa or the equivalent in their houses? Answer? A ton in the West. If the government would mandate a microphone in their houses, the same people would be very unhappy. However, they are happy for Amazon, Google or whoever has an equivalent to monitor their conversations - 24/7. Moreover, they PAY for it. The climate change is the perfect scam because it appeals to a lot of people at the most basic level (who doesn't want to save the world, right?). I just hope that enough people wake up before they are stuck in a bio-tech totalitarian dystopia that will make all previous totalitarian system look like paradise.
Thanks for your thoughts. Seems you have acquired some knowledge in your years!
Perhaps the climate change 'business' is indeed a massive scam, and I'm certainly not about to boot over people's businesses or farmland that are working right now just because they're suddenly considered as causing 'too much' pollution in some bureaucrat's calculations.
However, trying to look after the Earth because it is a more natural way to live and be is not a scam. I don't want to eat bugs or live in high-rises or not be able to travel any more than you! But it just seems that any time anyone mentions something about being nice to the Earth, they are labelled as 'climate change crazies' and laughed at, just as if they were willingly wearing masks and taking jabs.
I'm all for making the world a cleaner place and living sustainably, but over much TIME. After all, we're not the only ones who live here. Governments should be supporting measures like renewable energy research and better farming practices etc, not just effectively saying 'we have to close down your farms unless you all move to organic farming right now'. That one didn't work out too well, did it?! It might've been a good idea in the long-term, but it had a stupid implementation.
And yes, I like Igor's substack. He's a nice guy, has a great sense of humour, appeals to many by how and what he writes - and everyone mostly gets a reasonable say. But writing comments to try to say what's in/on your mind is not always the easiest. A lot gets lost in translation, shall we say.
Igor is a very nice bloke who is a reminder that there are good people out there. He stuck his neck out and that is something that I will always appreciate, especially as the blow back could still be very damaging from all points of view (his name would also make some people I know throw a fit).
I do not laugh at people wanting to be nicer to Earth. I am all for less pollution and protecting some areas. However, I do have a laugh when I see the "extinction rebels" go on their trademark "protests" while using the latest tech (no oil, then you cannot have plastics and as result no mobiles or smart watches), wearing cold proofed modern jackets (yep, oil again) and acting like toddlers that have had one their toys taken away to be cleaned. The hypocrisy of these people is breathtaking. I also despise the "experts" that never leave the air-conditioned environments in the city but self confess to know more than the country folk (many of them would be terrified of the actual country). Much of the old wisdom on how to manage the environment has gone because we have had unelected morons ruining (yes, I do mean ruining) things. Going in the country here in Oz and back in Europe was very instructive. The people who work the land have a ton more knowledge than they are given credit for and are commonly stuffed by stupid city dictated environmental policies that are both costly and damaging. I am an academic by training and I often cringe at how isolated and irrelevant some parts of the academia are in reality.
Honestly Robyn, read “fossil future”, you don’t even have to get very far into it and you will understand what we “climate deniers “ are talking about. Alex Epstein is a philosopher and even concedes that humans may be driving CO2 levels up but he exposes the corruption in our climate and energy sector knowledge systems so beautifully. I used to believe that vaccines are safe, I used to give my kids all of them but now my eyes are open and I was very, very wrong before. Similarly I ask that you read the above mentioned book and then feed back to us. I don’t want you to give up on Substack
I went and looked up that book today. But I am not about to read it. Instead, from the many book reviews and comments that I read, it seems to me that Alex is 'negging' people. He comes up with his own little definitions like 'anti-impact' & 'climate mastery' - and then proceeds to tell people that they're basically immoral for not putting THEMSELVES first.
The whole thing is ultimately based on humans being self-centred - and making up arguments to suit themselves so that they can keep doing what they want to do.
I know I am only here because the Earth supports me, not because I 'impact' the Earth. It's a symbiotic relationship and I hope it will remain that way.
But humans are humans, and most are egocentric beyond belief. I think it's highly improbable to save such people. I've been wrong before, and no doubt I'll be wrong again. After all, I am only human! :-D
No vaccines have crossed my threshold since 15+ years ago because I realised just how they bad they were for me. My kids are vaccine-free and eat well and, on our property, we try to live in relative harmony with Nature.
So like Tarun, I think my hubby & I will just enjoy and maintain our country property, grow our food and help our kids to grow as well. What will happen to the world will happen.
Hey!! I just read up on Epstein. Not the other one, the fossil fuel guy and i found out he's talking about me. Only he's got me wrong. I don't believe i should have no impact on nature. I do believe i should have a relationship with nature that is.... wait for it.... i'm going to use a word that those rogues at WEF have ruined pretty much..... sustainable. Yeah, i want the same nature that i'm interacting with to be there for my grandkids. Crazy eh. Why not just chop the damn forests down if it causes (some) humans to thrive. Especially the ones on the thirty first floor of the Chevron building. There's oil under that ground if we could just get rid of the trees and the damn environmentalists. Our future as a species is dependent on it.
I agree with Epstein, again the fossil guy, that we humans can use our minds in creative ways to further our human experience. And for me that means finding new technologies that are non toxic. If Epstein didn't work for the Koch brothers maybe he's agree with me.
Here's a good takedown that's very well done it seems...
It seems we're both numpties, based on this writer's views that vaccinations are great, and if we question 5G then that's also a no-no!
However, it was quite a good article otherwise! ;-)
It would be nice if people could put their Egos aside and see things for what they are, but they have too much invested in it all. Reducing reliance on fossil fuels would be great, but no-one's really putting the resources towards it.
I'd love to live plastic-free, or at least petroleum-based plastic-free! But no-one's really pushing plant-based plastics, just plant-based 'meat' and bug-filled chips.
And if TPTB were truly worried about methane from animals, then people should feed their animals more natural diets, not be told to instead eat only plants (and bugs). Studies show that changing the animal's diet DOES affect the methane (or methanogenesis).
The answers are all out there, but we're on Substack with quite a number of right-wingers that ultimately want the freedom to do whatever they want: to NOT get covid-jabbed, to go game shooting, to practice whatever religion, to use whatever amount of fossil fuels etc; to basically not have to change anything except NOT get jabbed. As much it seems right to band with them for our freedom from covid, what's going to change once we get that freedom? We're still stuck with humanity's old problems, and the same sort of thing will happen again. It's like a bad story, being told time and time again.
Anyway, we can't change their minds, and it seems they have not changed ours, so the world will continue on in consumerism until such time that it falls flat on its face (from crazy WEF policies and/or illness/death from the covid jabs and/or negative environmental changes for our species), whenever that may be. I doubt it will completely fail in our lifetime, because humans are horribly resilient, but you never know. I guess our society could also fall apart from aliens visiting Earth...but I could only think their arrival would be for their own worshipping purposes since very little intelligent life seems to be here, ha ha! :-D
Anyway, it is what it is. I'm honestly getting a bit 'over' all this crap. I just want to live a decent live, be a decent person and hope that others do the same. On the surface, most pass this test - but underneath, we're all still grasping, egocentric humans.
Sorry, i sometimes get excited and post articles i haven't finished reading... glad i read it tho.. i have not gotten into climate science much, and for the reasons this man set out. It's damn complicated. And i came to the party late. But just seeing him debunk that graph was enlightening. People in the chat were making claims of no significant cyclical changes happening.. they must have read Epstein's book. I do think it is like the flat earthers i know. Not the brightest bulbs. Usually can't get too deep into data, so they take some authorities word as truth, based on their own psychophysical makeup. It does take a certain type of character to go along with the pro fossil fuel line. I have a few of them in my life.
My lamentation about what has happened over the last couple years is the devastation of the environmental movement. WEF style climate policy has given it a bad face. Now the hordes are sure it is all a hoax. The earth's systems are still failing. What to do?? Wait and see maybe.
It's OK, I was just having a joke in my first line of my last reply. I fully expect most people out there to think the anti-vaccination movement is nuts! But of course most people have NOT done their homework, have they?
I find it so amusingly sad that people who have painstakingly done their research on one topic...totally fail on another. But to be fair, one needs to sleep and be able to read fast to be learned about so many topics!!!
But yes, planet Earth. I rather like it. So much so that I did a Geology degree after school. And at the end of that I was pretty sure if I was working in the field I was either going to be a vulcanologist (but their average death is in their 40s...!) or an environmental geologist. But then there weren't any jobs when I finished anyway, so I didn't have to make that choice and I retrained...to become a Chiropractor! :-D
Agreed that the ones that are on our side now with covid are mostly against us when it comes to the environment. And WEF-style 'climate policy' - if you call it that (!) - has done a disastrous job. They've made a mockery of the whole thing such that more and more people will say "who cares?" when it comes to the environment - but we SHOULD care!!! The environment nurtures us. It gives us life. And there are so many tell-tale signs out there that we're screwing it up, but the ones on our side for covid mostly turn a blind eye to that :-(
I don't think the Earth and the other life on it deserves to suffer because we can't get our systems in order. Why are we so special? Don't other lifeforms have just as much right to live and prosper as us? I guess some would say only those at the top get to have it all...but so many humans don't realise just how fragile WE are on Earth. The Earth is tough. She'll be fine enough. She's taken asteroid hits, been a helluva lot hotter, and a helluva lot colder, but lots of life might not be OK. We have had it so good for so long that we think we're actually truly OK, that we can handle almost anything. People forget that CO2 going up to 4000ppm or something is going to make us as dumb as dogfood. Our species evolved in LOW CO2. Rising CO2 IS a problem - for our brainpower! So unless we all plan on wearing proper masked helmets outdoors and breathing artificial air whilst our plants grow out of control (no, we won't have a wood-fuel problem then, ha ha!), and having to live in sealed places indoors, then we really ought to have been incorporating some major change, oh, well over 20 years ago!! Over 50 to be fair. And don't have those nukes. Or WW1. Or WW2. All we need are a few extra volcanoes to go off and THEN we'll see how well we fare with those sky-high 'greenhouse gases'...
But everyone else reading this will probably laugh and think we're nuts! That we're 'worst-case-scenario' types. That it's not really that bad.
97% of climate scientists agree that global warming is real. Also 97% of all virologists and epidemiologists agree that vaccines and lockdowns and masks are needed to stop the spread. At least that was how it was put to me back in 2020. And this article was written in 2020. So we can give him a bit of slack on that one. But the amount of scientists who have dissented from the consensus now is quite impressive. And the data is not that hard to read.
Books like Epstein's remind me more of Fauci's style of manipulating the data. Funny that folks would be opposed to that in one instance and embrace it in another.
I haven't read the book but it does seem all the rage now not only on the right which is not surprising, but on the socialist left too.. Trouble with both crowds seems to be a loe of materialism in a human centric world. Socialism traditionally for sure. Nature is here for our pleasure only. No intrinsic value of its own. It's also a traditional Christian notion, the idea of a dead material world that God has given us to lord over. So with those sorts of biases, any book that offers unlimited opportunity for further exploitation with no repercussions would be welcome. I think better to go back to the stone age and start over..
But I did read a lot of comments and book reviews today about it, plus some background info on Alex Epstein.
I'm rather in agreement that it is based on a 'human centric world'.
'Tis a pity most people commenting here (and elsewhere) can't realise that without the Earth we don't exist.. Well, WE will exist, but perhaps a number of generations down the line won't...
This just in Robyn... is it fake news from lame stream media?? Well it's being reported on multiple sites... But maybe they just want to take away our pick up trucks...
So you're saying trust the science.. and you understand the science do you? or are you just getting your trusted info from the authorities you trust? like big coal and nuclear?? i thought so.
LOL Excuse me? What? Oh, just fill in whatever I've said that you don't understand with whatever comes into your mind! What are you, thirteen?
I trust ACTUAL science when it's making sense and logical TO THE POINT that it is understandable and seems to function in the world. Science isn't religion. Science is about questioning, always. But when things seem to be working, you use them and they continue to be working, then you use them. You are clearly having trouble understand the difference between science and people TELLING you what to think.
And I don't think I've said ANYTHING about "big coal and nuclear." Anywhere.
People with high ego and anger levels tend not to be good at weighing the actual evidence. There's a lot of them on here. Sure in the pandemic anyone with a bullshit meter that was half working could see through the facade. It's a little trickier when it comes to the state of the natural world. We don't want our rights taken from us and one of those rights is to do with the world whatever the hell we want when we want. It's the American way for God's sake. I'm not really sure God wants any part of it however. Yeah we don't want our freedoms impinged upon and that includes freedom to fuck things up real good. So keep on ignoring the warning signs and party like it's 1899.
How little you understand me, a stranger, and how easy it seems to be for you to assign all sorts of unpleasant things to my character. It's FAR from a party in my world. I agree there are LOTS of people who trample the flowers and generally act like our planet is a giant trash can. I am appalled, too, Tarun, but why you think I'm one of those kind, I can't imagine, since this is the first time I've seen you, I think.
And I feel about the Earth the way some people feel about their many possessions... I want to protect it, keep it beautiful, stop the destruction. If you read my page, maybe you'll get a sense of what I'm about. Yesterday I posted a really cool video about water and a guy called Viktor Schaumberg... You'd probably like it. There are wonderous ways of doing things that we could do, if we can get these damn oligarchs out of the way... Go watch the video... you'll probably like it.
I am not the enemy. I'm only trying to let you know that YES, there are problems, but it's not a "climate crisis." It's that we need to stop the chem trails, stop the strip-mining, stop the air pollution, stop the water pollution... It's about BIG polluters and BIG business and BIG industry that should be changed and turned to healthy, clean, NATURAL ways that are very cheap (and that's why we don't have them!!!!!). Cheers.
Even if there is a climate emergency, the elites aren't going to solve it in a way that benefits everyone.. Small is beautiful... local democracy is the way to get away from the elites.. Totally agree that there are solutions that are not being implemented due to bureaucratic stupidity... Some cheap and some pricier but worth it.. Tesla a hundred years ago had good ideas but died disgraced. His ideas still aren't implemented.
People talk about Germany failing at green technology but they were obviously dependent on gas. They didn't have a green system and when the gas failed they went down.. Doesn't mean it doesn't work, just hasn't been implemented yet. Someone here said they spent hundreds of billions of euros on wind.. i find that hard to believe.. there is a lot of anti green propaganda out there now and it has to be inspected carefully..
I don't think Tesla was disgraced, he was DESTROYED. By Edison and those other rich men looking to make tons of money when Tesla wanted to help the People... They stole his ideas, hid them, and then destroyed his work.
There's so much actual functioning, clean, brilliant and incredibly cheap technology "out there," but it's being heavily censored and disallowed into the public sphere because it would put a lot of very rich men out of income (they could, many of them, live off their interest alone!).
Did you see the water video I gave you the link to? It's AMAZING. And very much in the same sort of realm as Tesla worked in... There are clean, very cheap, very simple and highly Earth-friendly ways to get what we need, PLENTY of them, but we are kept in the dark because MONEY.
Have you woke up to the damage you do clodhopping around the world destroying everything in sight? Have you gone extinct or would you rather take us all down with you?
Unsustainable according to whom? The food production has kept well ahead of the population growth. There are enough fossil fuel resources to keep things running for several hundred years if needed. Given human ingenuity I would say that we will find other ways of keeping things running long before we ran out fossil fuels. Climate change? Seriously? Have a look at the Roman records - they were growing vineyards in places far up north in the UK, places which are still too cold now to support that sort of crop. Greenland was settled by the Vikings because it was livable. It is all BS and it plays right in the hands of a bunch of psychos that would love to rule every corner of this world. How can these psychos get away with things that normally would cause upheaval? It is an emergency, it is a crisis - throw out the rule book and do this before the sky is falling. After the Covid scam, hopefully people will start to wake up to the reality.
Spot on Miko.
The Greek Trojan Horse duped the leaders of Troy. Now, a majority unaware of the lessons of history repeat the same today on a global scale.
Not saying you're necessarily wrong about the rest, but the quality of food is certainly in the toilet. Quantity is not everything.
Of course, that makes people sick, which is exactly what the planetary mafia wants.
I think that the quality of the food depends on the culture and the emphasis put on good quality product. Some of the things that were common practice in the UK for example would have been blasphemous in other parts of Europe (cow feed was incomprehensible - the cows were effectively cannibals). Similarly, in Belgium where some farms were using motor oil in the chicken and cow feed. BTW, the quality has gone done the drain for most things. Most things made in China are abysmal. Take for example washing machines - they used to last decades. Now if you get five years out of one, you are doing well. The quality of the clothing material is just appalling but people buy it anyway. To be honest I do understand it though as most people have problems paying key bills like electricity or gas.
100% agreement on psychos wanting to get the hoi polloi sick. Have a look at the concerted effort to get bug flour normalized. Never thought I would have to check for it but there you have it. Now it is necessary.
Broken washing machines are scrapped, melted and turned into new, washing machines.
Why, when the concept of 'Climate Change' comes up, do people think we're mad? What's wrong with just trying to live more sustainably...simply because you can?! What's wrong with trying to live more in harmony with the Earth instead of raping the world of its non-renewable resources and saying things like:
"There are enough fossil fuel resources to keep things running for several hundred years if needed. Given human ingenuity I would say that we will find other ways of keeping things running long before we ran out fossil fuels."
I think you'll find humans would only start focusing on other energy sources when they were but 15 years shy of running out! Humans aren't too smart in general. They act when and only if they have to, like a lazy lion.
If we want more non-renewable resources, we might just have to wait a few million years+ for all that plant matter to decompose enough. Not really likely. So then we move to nuclear power....and take MORE resources from the earth...and then we shoot the spent fuel rods into space because too many people are getting cancer from these rods buried all over the place....and the fish are getting weird or dying out with those that got dumped in the deep ocean...and then when all else fails, we try to colonise another planet....
In the meantime, we continue burning fossil fuels at stupidly high levels, polluting our air and ruining our health. Having done a Geology degree and having been a Chiropractor for 16 years, it seems a bit stupid for people to effectively shit in their water. Why not just make things work better over generations? And no, that does not include everyone eating bugs and living in high rises and doing everything the govt tells them to!
The thing is, climates DO change, that's pretty normal. Sometimes it's colder and sometimes it's warmer, and sometimes it's stormier, and there are levels upon levels of patterns at play.
There are some of us out there that would like us to all live in harmony a bit better - because if we don't, some crazies like Bill Gates & the WEF are going to crack down on us all and make most people adhere to their nutjob policies - which are basically unemotive ways to move forward as an effective insect colony.
I'm never going to wake up to us using up all the earth's non-renewable resources just because we can. We have a duty of care to this planet. It is our home. And we should respect it. Would we just take take take from our parents all the time, or would we give back sometimes? I think we've taken quite enough for quite long enough, and it's time to stop being so greedy as a species. BUT there are so many ways we can do this - kindly, ethically & humanely. People might do better looking at this from another angle.
We are not 15 years from running out of any energy source. That is rhetoric unhinged from physical reality.
Your rant is predicated on inaccurate nonsense
When I was in college I took an ecological science class. We were told that the world would be 100% depleted of every drop of oil in 22 years. I never forgot that.
However, I took that class in 1990. 2012 has come and gone and lo and behold, there is still oil to be found on planet Earth.
It is not just oil - there are massive resources of natural gas that are easily accessible so whenever I hear that we hit peak oil and we are done, I know that I am listening to someone with an agenda rather than someone that is honest and knows the facts.
Ummm...all I suggested was that humans would only start looking for other energy sources when they were down to their last 15 years of non-renewables. I didn't say WHEN that 15 years was. You are putting words in my mouth!!! Of course we have more than 15 years' worth of non-renewables in the ground. Perhaps you could've read my comment correctly, or perhaps I could've said "humans would only start SERIOUSLY focusing on PERMANENT ALTERNATE energy sources when they were but 15 years shy of running out OF NON-RENEWABLES" - would that make more sense to you?!
I still stand by my argument that humans aren't interested in change until they have their hand forced. And right now, even with covid and the crazy WEF, their hand is STILL not forced. For the most part, it will literally take oil wells running dry and natural gas reserves all becoming empty for people to go 'oh, what are we going to do now?'...! And that, my friend, is MANY years off, and so humans will do nothing to try to live more in harmony with the Earth in the meantime.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Mine is that the climate change or whatever it is called these days is a massive scam that is run by the same filth that gave Covid and the jabs. I am for cleaner living but I also want for things to improve not get worse. Smart people do things better - they do not go back to the stone age for the sake of Gaia. Every generation before the 60s tried to do things to improve the quality of life and ensure that their kids would do even better. That changed quickly and a lot of nonsense has become "the standard". The idea that we use too much shows that anti-human nihilism is accepted "wisdom" and fits better in a cult than a civilised world. Who judges what is too much and what is right? Typically, frauds or people that have no idea what they are talking about. I still remember the discussion between a local farmer and an "expert" in land management that came to educate the farmer on how to do "things in a sustainable manner". The idiot's advice was to stop burning the excess growth because that will improve the overall environment. Fortunately, the farmer ignored the "advice" and in the process kept his house and barns from burning down when a spot fire took hold on the property. These days all "clean living" is geared towards doing incredibly stupid stuff (how many people know the exploitation and pollution associated with an electric car?) because it is trendy or alternatively, we have give up fundamental stuff when it is not necessary (give up milk and replace with some chemical concoction that may have some traces of almond or something similar). If one were to do a realistic evaluation of the everything that is supposedly sustainable and echo-friendly, the results would be that these are massive scams that do great deal more harm than good and involve giving a bunch of non-elected filth absolute power over everything. Germany is an awesome example. They went green and spent more than 800 billion euro on wind and solar facilities and incentives. Solar in Germany, where in winter it gets dark at 4:30pm and it stays that way until 8am then next day. They were also dumb enough to close down their nuclear power plants though their country is tectonically stable. What did this get them? Most likely a bankrupt country that will shiver in winter. No thanks. I lived in communism and guess what? It was not fun living in poverty and Gaia did not get better. The people in the West need to wake up to the fact that all these peddlers of the "sustainable" living are complete frauds (Al Gore is a quintessential example) or are funded by world players that want complete dominance over the world. China builds coal power plants every week while the lemmings in the West demolish theirs. Utter insanity. In Victoria they have had power cuts because the idiot in charge went all green. The Chinese must be rolling on the floor laughing at the West's stupidity and ignorance.
Sure, countries sometimes make stupid decisions that don't suit their terrain. Maybe they should make better informed decisions. Or maybe they're just human and honestly can't do any better.
Even reading the science on it all, my Instinct says burning excessive fossils fuels (note I wrote 'excessive') is dumb and nuclear power is ludicrous.
I guess we will agree to disagree!
I expected better from the Germans to be honest. Their energy policies have been expensive and monumentally stupid for decades. It is as if they were in a competition to prove that they were the dumbest bunch in Europe and they paid stupendous amounts of money to prove it. Nuclear power has had a bad reputation and it is based on the assumption that we have no idea how to reuse or store properly the spent fuel. All nonsense but it is very catchy and gets people really worked up about it. The propaganda media that was so good at convincing people that the jabs are "safe and effective" and "stop transmission" are very much responsible for the hysteria (as usual the media is responsible for propagating and enforcing massive lies). BTW, the money for the campaign against nuclear power came from ... the Middle East (yep, the Arabs really care about the environment of the kuffa countries). If one is objective and informed, the opinion changes quickly. Ask the French - they get their power from nuclear and it worked out OK. In fact they are smart enough to build more.
Nuclear is a great example of my concerns with humans not changing tack.
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/New-Recycling-Technique-Enables-Spent-Nuclear-Fuel-Rods-to-be-Used-Again.html
This is a great little article, even though it's from 2012. The comments are also very interesting.
Because humans are such great marketers to the point that they are willing to crush others' leaps forwards (think fossil fuel industry trying to crush their opposition), how are we, as a species, ever going to move forwards?
There's ALWAYS someone crying "It's safe & effective!" because they want to sell THEIR thing - regardless of whether it's helpful or good or safe or effective!
I don't trust nuclear because I don't trust humans. And because no matter what you do with spent fuel, there's still a LOT of half-lives to consider!! And my life and my grandkids' lives (and everyone else's!) will be well and truly over before we've even got this spent fuel rod business half-figured out. WE KNOW there's a radiation problem and we KNOW we have to bury them, like forever, but we still keep using it. Kind of reminds me of the heroin addict: "I know it's bad, but man! It feels so good!"
Safe and effective.
Riiiight.
See, this lack of trust is what KEEPS me alive - and if you converse with many people who didn't take the jab, you will find that there is a high percentage of them who are 'survivors' already (bad childhood, poor relationships, being oppressed in life by people/govt, bullying etc etc). Maybe we're lucky to be alive, but maybe we listened to our Intuition as well. Doesn't your intuition worry at least slightly about radiation risks on our biological system - and our DNA future - from using nuclear fuel?
I can’t “like” your comment w the heart. But like it I do. Spot on.
The fight over climate change has caused us to ignore
1) Oceans fished out
2) loss of soil nutrition
3) mass extinctions
And a ton of other serious issues.
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We've been living off a massive inheritance of natural resources, seemingly trying to spend them as fast as we can, and taking for granted the ability of the earth to transmute any poisons we put in it.
That is insane.
Not to mention a simple concept like respect for nature.
It is that - Respect For Nature.
I personally prefer nature that's green trees and oceans and even soil microbes to humans! Humans are Life, too, but they just don't know when to stop. When Nature puts the finger on us, we just press ahead anyway. Madness comes to mind.
People rarely see the big picture and are not so good as extrapolation. They see the Here And Now. They don't stop to think about the soil quality (which is where we grow our food), just that food turns up in supermarkets, so all must be well (enough). But have you not noticed how food, even organic, doesn't taste as good as it used to? Food is BLAND now - and that is because the soil is no good. And if we keep doing what we're doing, food won't be food at all in the future. People are hurtling towards dystopia and they can't, no, WON'T see it. They call you and I mad and continue on their hellbent path. All we're doing is asking people to consider other options. But it seems that is too hard for most people :-(
Solar PV is the CHEAPEST source of electricity NOW. Solar pants are made of glass and silicon. Such are made from sand.
We had a hybrid solar system + batteries for 5+ years (until we sold that place). It was fantastic. Amazingly efficient system. And when the locals all got blackouts...we didn't! Silent electricity. Awesome. We're getting one on our new place soon.
I think the elite have been forced to embrace solar. They neg it as much as possible all the while pouring money into solar farms. solar puts a spanner in their CO2 is killing the planet BS. Battery technology and mining is moving leaps and bounds (IBATF extracts lithium direct from brine with no pollution). Soon your car will have solar paint, get 20 miles a day free into its batteries and be topped up by house solar.
Robyn I honestly don’t think that most of us here are all about raping Mother Earth for all her resources until she flops over dead. What needs to happen first is for the culling of the best and brightest to immediately stop. For all we know the person who would have invented that which would have saved us all will now no longer be born because his or her mother died suddenly and unexpectedly at 16, or 20 or some other outrageous age because she was helping the world by getting a Covid shot. We must stop the travesty at hand to have hope for the future.
Mother Earth was supposed to flop over dead after the BP oil disaster.
And Chernobyl.
And any number of other disasters.
Perhaps Mother Earth is more resilient than we can imagine.
Or perhaps humans aren't quite as impactful as we think.
Agreed. Most do not want to totally ruin the Earth or have unnecessary deaths. But perhaps we are MEANT to have this travesty occur because it is the culmination of Modern Times and could almost be considered a homage to how we have lost our Instinct.
Or perhaps those who are here today are not actually MEANT to be here - except by the grace of modern medicine? After all, if you give life, you can take it away. Modern medicine has certainly taken a lot of lives, but it has also extended lives. Now they are taking them. In some twisted way, I think they have the right. If multiple generations are not going to stand up for their Instinct and instead hand it over to TPTB, you can't exactly complain that you're not getting treated well. People. in the western world especially, have been living in a dreamworld for decades. Nature just says it's time to burst that bubble, I guess...
No one is saying we have to just keep going with gas and oil and pollution.....what they have learned is there is no shortage, so stop the fear mongering of scarcity of energy into the consciousness and let’s buckle down and find cleaner energy . It’s hard to concentrate on new renewables when you are in fear all the time. I haven’t spoken to one person who didn’t know we have to clean up and change our mindsets about energy. There are quite a few patents that are not being allowed that would solve this problem.
But, given that most people read and watch only MSM sources, they have mostly bought into the ideas that 'the end is nigh' and 'something must be done'.
We can only hope that the coming winter (in cold places like the UK) will convince more of them that the current direction will make the rest of their lives increasingly miserable.
I hope you wake up to the damage you can do.. clodhopping around the world destroying everything in sight... time to go extinct don't you think? Or would you rather take us all down with you?
I am well awake to nonsense pushed by a lot of either ignorant or devious people. It is a free world. Anyone who thinks that the answer is to go back to the stone age because of the climate or environment crisis is welcomed to get a head start. Go build a mud shack in the middle of nowhere and live off the land. Without fire or meat - watch out for that nasty carbon. In 40-50 years, everything can be re-evaluated based on actual evidence of how the world progresses, not some made up nonsense compiled by some dim bulbs that never stepped out of a city. No one is stopping those who want to live like our ancestors did 5000 years ago, as in before larger settlements were becoming common. As you put it so well, if that is what some people want, why I should have to go down with them? I had same nonsense preached to me about the Covid jab - "You endanger me, anti-vaxxer! How can you be so selfish and kill the elderly?".
I've noticed that everyone who is for depopulation only wants everyone else to die. They never lead by example.
Absolutely. The ones pushing this nonsense are also the ones that are "more equal" than us and need to stay around. Isn't their selfless sacrifice touching?
They're HELPING us, by killing us.
Next, they're planning to HELP us by taking our food and money.
Yep, spot on. Very much like a US senator arguing for wind farms in the bald eagle habitat - "To save the eagle, we must kill the eagle". Unreal.
I've had my mind boggled so many times, it's making my eyes bulge...
Yep, human stupidity is truly without bounds.
And so is human ingenuity. What a bunch we are, eh? ^_^
Oh yeah, we are some piece of work, no doubt about it.
It's the more affluent who are having the higher death rates and lower birth rates...
How does this disprove my point? Many of those pestering us that the end is near are not wealthy - they are unemployed idiots who think that they have found a purpose in life. As far as the wealthy goes, yep, many of them have no idea about what is going on and live in their own reality. They have been dumber than a lot of the average income hoi polloi to get jabbed over and over and now they keel over. Not exactly shocking in my opinion. Also, quite valid that the ones with money are vacuous and stupid enough NOT to have kids. Many live incredibly empty and depressing lives despite the money. I know because some of my relatives by marriage are very wealthy and their lives revolve around going to coffee shops and watching other people go about their lives. It is as if their wealth took their brain away assuming that they had some to start with. Talk about a massive waste.
I'm for depopulation Don, but the natural method when more affluent people decide to not have kids.. when the kids are so damn dysfunctional that they can't mate... That's the non violent way it should happen... others say nuclear war is the way... they're psychos tho.
Malthus has been used by the ruling classes to justify their thefts of the commons for generations. But just on its own, Malthusianism is just wrong, not just morally wrong but factually wrong. The Science of Scarcity of Thatcher and Reagan will give way to a new way of thinking more like that of FDR and JFK.
Agreed.
Logan's Run and many other dystopian novels ...
lol Good point.
Ah, but I have already said that I am happy to go if depopulation is on the agenda. BUT I'm not going without a fight, and without a good cause. Currently I feel I can do more living than dead.
Illogical, but more power to you. Perhaps everyone who is alive feels they can do more living than dead.
Well I've come in contact with some spirits and ghosts in my time (and trust me, I never thought I would! But sometimes life doesn't turn out like you thought it might...). They are not always nice, but ultimately, they have very little control over things. Having a body is a very useful thing indeed! And when connected to a decent brain, there's an awful lot it can do! Perhaps not enough people are aware of this, so they don't put either their brain or body to good use.
I'd just like to use my time here for good rather than evil. And when my time is up, my time is up. So I try to do things that I find are useful.
For the record, though, I am almost never illogical. I might not always explain myself as well as some would like (my brain works very fast!) but logic and practicality tend to be my calling cards ;-)
That's good to know. I too have sworn to use my powers for good. It's impossible to get a handle on someone through brief Internet comments that have little context. I wasn't judging, more like teasing out your position.
Stick around, we need you. :)
I think that was meant to be a bit tongue in cheek. ;)
🤣🤣🤣 So true!
You keep going the way you are and we will be living in a new stone age.. not just the climat my friend.. plenty of systems are collapsing.. fish in the sea, insects on the land.. going going going.....
Heh, I will take my chances. The sky has been falling since the 70's and it is still falling. This end of the world nonsense reminds of the cultists that keep warning the non-believers and then having to re-adjust each time a new end of days date passed by.
However, as I said before, it is a free world and I am very much of the opinion "Live and let live". As long as people stop pestering me with this sort of nonsense, all good. The saddest thing about all this is that things can be done to improve life and because of doom predictors we let opportunities pass us by. The "experts" were saying that the East Coast of Australia was going to be increasingly drier and hence no point in building any more dams - not enough rain to fill them. That was 20 years ago - the last 18 years have seen a ton more rain than in the previous 2 decades. Just ask the people in Queensland. Where I live, the place was supposed to be deserted by now because of lack of rain. Nope, none of that "expertly" predicted stuff happened. If these "sages" would have checked the historical records, they would have seen that this is all cyclical and us humans have a far smaller impact than claimed.
Sane thoughts. I saw a painting of the Rock of Gibralter back in like 1620?... and another photo of it today, more or less, but recently. SAME LEVEL of the ocean...
And how many of us can go and count the polar bears? It seems, actually that they're doing okay.
Sigh.
This FEAR mongering really works...
With quite a number, yes, it does work unfortunately. Even when faced with clear evidence that they are wrong, they persist (same as with Covid - the jab works, well OK, the booster works, no wait, the next booster will WORK, so on). My favourite is the expeditions that go to collect evidence that the ice coverage is shrinking and they have to get rescued by ice-breakers., year after year.
LOL
I shouldn't laugh, maybe, but... lol.
But yeah, yeah.
I don't think there have been claims the oceans have risen much in the past centuries.. it's the future that is in question.. and most likely they will rise but by how much? and how soon? stay tuned.
What I'm trying to say is, be careful what you choose to believe.
I used to think it was true that there's global warming and so forth... Turns out we're actually in a cooling phase. Can I prove it to you right now? No. But I watched a lot of videos with people who DO know, and they explain it, and show how they come to that, and it makes much more sense than claims I hear that have NO EVIDENCE. I look for evidence.
I think there's enough actual EVIL going on to scare the shit out of anybody, and we don't need to be scared about anything that isn't actually true. That's my view and maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like I've done my homework. I wish I could just show you all this, give you links or something, but I don't KEEP everything... xo
Word herder: love your words-there is enough actual EVIL going on
Thanks. I agree. Some days I feel like I'm made of lead.
The fact that there are cycles doesn't mean humans have little impact. The trouble is we take sides in this debate according to our biases and not according to evidence which is far more difficult to parse than the data that Igor puts out. It's a big ol chaos out there and we're learning more about it all the time. They are getting pretty good at predicting the weather a week or two out so there's that. But i think we ought to be cautious rather than blusterous. Like in Ukraine. Maybe not go taunting a nuclear power. Know what i mean?
The fact that the cycle has not been affected one iota is my point. If the impact was as large as claimed, that cycle would have been impacted in some fashion - this has not happened and it does not look like it will either. The fact that we can predict weather supposedly a week out (in my experience, three days ahead is as good as they get) shows how useless we are at predictions despite all the tech. This makes all the nonsense predictions decades from now that much more implausible.
As far as Ukraine goes, that is not a worry. The Russians are the sane ones and will just get the job done according to their own requirements. The idea that they will do something very stupid is just propaganda from dimwits like those from CNN and MSNBC.
A littel early to tell if cycles have been affected isn't it. If the cycles are centuries long or longer... we can't sit around and wait a few centuries and see what happens... time to get to new technologies.. and give up on the old and toxic ones.. asap.
The "new" techs are often more toxic. Read up about car batteries. So much for being eco-friendly.
What makes you different? You are obviously on an Internet connected computer. What powers it? What do you eat? Where do you live, in a building? What resources do you delete at your job?
I live in a cabin surrounded by fir forests.. plenty to burn.. i grow a good percentage of my own food.. i'm on a micro hydro system.. i don't have a job per se... i do drive a car... not that many can live like me tho... and i do consider many who have jobs in the city shuffling paper around are kinda like useless eaters... they tend to just make life harder for people with their excess bureaucracy... but on the bright side they're having less children now
Tarun, you have exposed yourself as no better than the mother WEFers, read your words again, you are a eugenicist
I am??? Just cause i think a lot of people offer no product or services of value and yet they consume plenty. Consumption is really the point i suppose. Keep that economy roaring along. Why there's a book out now that says we can and we should. That's enough for some i suppose. So your choice. Go the way of the dodo bird, or voluntarily restrain yourself and enjoy a more simple and yet productive life. Being a bureaucrat doesn't qualify.
A lot of consumption is ridiculous like shipping oil from one place to another in both directions because of markets and pricing.
Yeah, global pricing doesn't make much sense in an oil rich country like Canada to be paying the same price at the pump as UK say... And global pricing can be manipulated easily by big players.
Where is your PROOF of this? Or are you just listening to the TV?
Yes Miko, tell them straight!
It's this sort of attitude that has me perplexed. On one hand you and plenty of others with similar views will join forces with people (whom you might not normally) over covid, but you'll resort to the "can't see it, can't hear it" type of thinking with regards to the climate and the planet and energy sources.
Is the crux of it that most people are deathly afraid of returning to cave-man status (which honestly is about where we all belong as a species in my books! The silicon chip is WAAAAY too advanced for us) - without their computers and their modern day lifestyles?
boriquagato/el gat malo/Bad Cattitude have subscribers galore with your type of thinking. They pooh-pooh anyone who thinks differently when it comes to climate/energy - yet if we close off that debate, we are no different to those who are pro-covid vs those who are anti-covid. People are just not very good at keeping open minds it would seem!
Maybe I'll just go back to writing my books and not bother with these substacks. I write my comments not for me, but for others to consider, but I think I've mostly come to the end of the line on it. People are people and they've always been people and they like to fight and cause problems and sometimes solve them and often make them worse. They have their good points but they have more bad than good IMO. Perhaps the religious are right - we ARE sinners. So do we keep living in sin and not truly learn, or do we realise we are also capable of rising above it all? The problem is that so few ARE capable of rising above it all, Miko. How do you save a species when most of them don't even know they need saving?! I think the answer is: you don't. We're living in very perplexing times...
The modern lifestyle in the West as it is right now is not something that I would regard as a model to copy. I would argue that the current model is something to avoid as it is designed to destroy the family unit and all aspects of morality. It is clearly devoid of purpose and self destructing. The US large cities are a showcase of how bad things get when people without purpose and morals are in charge. They care only about power and will do anything to keep that power. You get more dead in Chicago every weekend than you get on the border of Armenia & Azerbaijan which is still in a low level state of war.
I think that tech is now way overused and if the society is to improve, mind destroying garbage like Tik Tok and Faceborg/Metaborg needs to be gone, permanently. It only encourages a selfish, drone like mentality that got us in the Covid mess almost overnight. Instead of spending time with family, way too many people spend time on pointless garbage in front of a screen. No wonder so many people are depressed. They are literally at sea without a working rudder.
On energy and climate, it is a case that we just disagree. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. In the case of nuclear energy I have had a look at the facts and I see things very differently. Just for disclosure, I was roughly 900 kms away from Chernobyl when that mess happened. I also have nuclear physicist friends who have had very interesting views on the topic (definitely no consensus there). Hence, I think I understand the risks about nuclear power well enough. The reaction of most people is somewhat understandable as most of the information they get is from the media which is not in any shape or form a neutral arbiter.
The climate change business is definitely a massive scam and not all changes lead to the end of world. I could go on for pages on the failed "predictions" of how everything is getting worse and we have only 10-20 years to save ourselves. Not true. I still have the cut outs of the articles from the late 1990's and early 2000's saying that the UK will never see snow after the 2008. I kept copies because I recognized then that this was nonsense and I wanted to keep the evidence. Every single generation there has been a group that would agitate about some world calamity and like at all times in history, the world kept moving on especially once the doomsday predictions failed to materialize. The difference is that this is now being actively weaponized against everyone by well resourced psychos that want a1984 kind of world that they get to run. I do not want a world in which I am not allowed to travel because of carbon emissions. I do not want a world in which I have to eat bugs because apparently it saves the planet (which it does not). Yet that is the direction we are heading if we go along with the climate change scam. Covid was an eye opener of what happens idiots and psychos get a free pass to do whatever they please.
Final point - I like the Substack format especially in the format that Igor runs. Everyone gets a say and that is why it is worth reading. It provides alternate points of view and often one learns new facts. I read it and post on it because it allows almost 100% uncensored discussion - I have no expectations of agreement from the readers of my posts and I will say it one more - you are entitled to your own opinion and have every right to support your view with whatever facts/info you deem useful. Giving up on the platform because there is disagreement on some topic is unfortunate but again, everyone makes their own decisions.
Newsweek article, April 28, 1975: "Cooling World." I have a copy of it on my computer, it was called "climatic" change then. We were supposedly heading into a mini ice age of sorts. All kinds of dire predictions just like we are hearing now. Hilarious to read, a 47 year old blast from the past, and perhaps the birth of the climate change scam industry.
I think that the end of world is coming scam is as old as civilization itself. The difference is that this sort of scam used to have a limited reach and it used to alternate (we will freeze vs we will burn) as one scam was proven to be just that - a scam.
Now, a bunch of demented individuals with a fixation on controlling everything and everyone (because they know better) have latched on to this nonsense and sadly, they are making progress. I have seen a media drive to normalize implants (you no longer need keys or cards for shopping - it is all done via a subcutaneous chip) that would allow the sort of surveillance and control, which would make China look like a free country. Norway is testing a card system that tracks all transactions on the basis of carbon usage and when your quota is gone, no more transactions. Hard to believe that people are that stupid and ignorant, but they are. How many people got Alexa or the equivalent in their houses? Answer? A ton in the West. If the government would mandate a microphone in their houses, the same people would be very unhappy. However, they are happy for Amazon, Google or whoever has an equivalent to monitor their conversations - 24/7. Moreover, they PAY for it. The climate change is the perfect scam because it appeals to a lot of people at the most basic level (who doesn't want to save the world, right?). I just hope that enough people wake up before they are stuck in a bio-tech totalitarian dystopia that will make all previous totalitarian system look like paradise.
Thanks for your thoughts. Seems you have acquired some knowledge in your years!
Perhaps the climate change 'business' is indeed a massive scam, and I'm certainly not about to boot over people's businesses or farmland that are working right now just because they're suddenly considered as causing 'too much' pollution in some bureaucrat's calculations.
However, trying to look after the Earth because it is a more natural way to live and be is not a scam. I don't want to eat bugs or live in high-rises or not be able to travel any more than you! But it just seems that any time anyone mentions something about being nice to the Earth, they are labelled as 'climate change crazies' and laughed at, just as if they were willingly wearing masks and taking jabs.
I'm all for making the world a cleaner place and living sustainably, but over much TIME. After all, we're not the only ones who live here. Governments should be supporting measures like renewable energy research and better farming practices etc, not just effectively saying 'we have to close down your farms unless you all move to organic farming right now'. That one didn't work out too well, did it?! It might've been a good idea in the long-term, but it had a stupid implementation.
And yes, I like Igor's substack. He's a nice guy, has a great sense of humour, appeals to many by how and what he writes - and everyone mostly gets a reasonable say. But writing comments to try to say what's in/on your mind is not always the easiest. A lot gets lost in translation, shall we say.
Igor is a very nice bloke who is a reminder that there are good people out there. He stuck his neck out and that is something that I will always appreciate, especially as the blow back could still be very damaging from all points of view (his name would also make some people I know throw a fit).
I do not laugh at people wanting to be nicer to Earth. I am all for less pollution and protecting some areas. However, I do have a laugh when I see the "extinction rebels" go on their trademark "protests" while using the latest tech (no oil, then you cannot have plastics and as result no mobiles or smart watches), wearing cold proofed modern jackets (yep, oil again) and acting like toddlers that have had one their toys taken away to be cleaned. The hypocrisy of these people is breathtaking. I also despise the "experts" that never leave the air-conditioned environments in the city but self confess to know more than the country folk (many of them would be terrified of the actual country). Much of the old wisdom on how to manage the environment has gone because we have had unelected morons ruining (yes, I do mean ruining) things. Going in the country here in Oz and back in Europe was very instructive. The people who work the land have a ton more knowledge than they are given credit for and are commonly stuffed by stupid city dictated environmental policies that are both costly and damaging. I am an academic by training and I often cringe at how isolated and irrelevant some parts of the academia are in reality.
Agree agree agree
Honestly Robyn, read “fossil future”, you don’t even have to get very far into it and you will understand what we “climate deniers “ are talking about. Alex Epstein is a philosopher and even concedes that humans may be driving CO2 levels up but he exposes the corruption in our climate and energy sector knowledge systems so beautifully. I used to believe that vaccines are safe, I used to give my kids all of them but now my eyes are open and I was very, very wrong before. Similarly I ask that you read the above mentioned book and then feed back to us. I don’t want you to give up on Substack
I went and looked up that book today. But I am not about to read it. Instead, from the many book reviews and comments that I read, it seems to me that Alex is 'negging' people. He comes up with his own little definitions like 'anti-impact' & 'climate mastery' - and then proceeds to tell people that they're basically immoral for not putting THEMSELVES first.
The whole thing is ultimately based on humans being self-centred - and making up arguments to suit themselves so that they can keep doing what they want to do.
I know I am only here because the Earth supports me, not because I 'impact' the Earth. It's a symbiotic relationship and I hope it will remain that way.
But humans are humans, and most are egocentric beyond belief. I think it's highly improbable to save such people. I've been wrong before, and no doubt I'll be wrong again. After all, I am only human! :-D
No vaccines have crossed my threshold since 15+ years ago because I realised just how they bad they were for me. My kids are vaccine-free and eat well and, on our property, we try to live in relative harmony with Nature.
So like Tarun, I think my hubby & I will just enjoy and maintain our country property, grow our food and help our kids to grow as well. What will happen to the world will happen.
Ok, I tried. Peace out
Hey!! I just read up on Epstein. Not the other one, the fossil fuel guy and i found out he's talking about me. Only he's got me wrong. I don't believe i should have no impact on nature. I do believe i should have a relationship with nature that is.... wait for it.... i'm going to use a word that those rogues at WEF have ruined pretty much..... sustainable. Yeah, i want the same nature that i'm interacting with to be there for my grandkids. Crazy eh. Why not just chop the damn forests down if it causes (some) humans to thrive. Especially the ones on the thirty first floor of the Chevron building. There's oil under that ground if we could just get rid of the trees and the damn environmentalists. Our future as a species is dependent on it.
I agree with Epstein, again the fossil guy, that we humans can use our minds in creative ways to further our human experience. And for me that means finding new technologies that are non toxic. If Epstein didn't work for the Koch brothers maybe he's agree with me.
Here's a good takedown that's very well done it seems...
https://medium.com/@samfiddis/alex-epstein-did-shill-himself-the-immorality-of-climate-skepticism-8489b71be3af
It seems we're both numpties, based on this writer's views that vaccinations are great, and if we question 5G then that's also a no-no!
However, it was quite a good article otherwise! ;-)
It would be nice if people could put their Egos aside and see things for what they are, but they have too much invested in it all. Reducing reliance on fossil fuels would be great, but no-one's really putting the resources towards it.
I'd love to live plastic-free, or at least petroleum-based plastic-free! But no-one's really pushing plant-based plastics, just plant-based 'meat' and bug-filled chips.
And if TPTB were truly worried about methane from animals, then people should feed their animals more natural diets, not be told to instead eat only plants (and bugs). Studies show that changing the animal's diet DOES affect the methane (or methanogenesis).
The answers are all out there, but we're on Substack with quite a number of right-wingers that ultimately want the freedom to do whatever they want: to NOT get covid-jabbed, to go game shooting, to practice whatever religion, to use whatever amount of fossil fuels etc; to basically not have to change anything except NOT get jabbed. As much it seems right to band with them for our freedom from covid, what's going to change once we get that freedom? We're still stuck with humanity's old problems, and the same sort of thing will happen again. It's like a bad story, being told time and time again.
Anyway, we can't change their minds, and it seems they have not changed ours, so the world will continue on in consumerism until such time that it falls flat on its face (from crazy WEF policies and/or illness/death from the covid jabs and/or negative environmental changes for our species), whenever that may be. I doubt it will completely fail in our lifetime, because humans are horribly resilient, but you never know. I guess our society could also fall apart from aliens visiting Earth...but I could only think their arrival would be for their own worshipping purposes since very little intelligent life seems to be here, ha ha! :-D
Anyway, it is what it is. I'm honestly getting a bit 'over' all this crap. I just want to live a decent live, be a decent person and hope that others do the same. On the surface, most pass this test - but underneath, we're all still grasping, egocentric humans.
Sorry, i sometimes get excited and post articles i haven't finished reading... glad i read it tho.. i have not gotten into climate science much, and for the reasons this man set out. It's damn complicated. And i came to the party late. But just seeing him debunk that graph was enlightening. People in the chat were making claims of no significant cyclical changes happening.. they must have read Epstein's book. I do think it is like the flat earthers i know. Not the brightest bulbs. Usually can't get too deep into data, so they take some authorities word as truth, based on their own psychophysical makeup. It does take a certain type of character to go along with the pro fossil fuel line. I have a few of them in my life.
My lamentation about what has happened over the last couple years is the devastation of the environmental movement. WEF style climate policy has given it a bad face. Now the hordes are sure it is all a hoax. The earth's systems are still failing. What to do?? Wait and see maybe.
It's OK, I was just having a joke in my first line of my last reply. I fully expect most people out there to think the anti-vaccination movement is nuts! But of course most people have NOT done their homework, have they?
I find it so amusingly sad that people who have painstakingly done their research on one topic...totally fail on another. But to be fair, one needs to sleep and be able to read fast to be learned about so many topics!!!
But yes, planet Earth. I rather like it. So much so that I did a Geology degree after school. And at the end of that I was pretty sure if I was working in the field I was either going to be a vulcanologist (but their average death is in their 40s...!) or an environmental geologist. But then there weren't any jobs when I finished anyway, so I didn't have to make that choice and I retrained...to become a Chiropractor! :-D
Agreed that the ones that are on our side now with covid are mostly against us when it comes to the environment. And WEF-style 'climate policy' - if you call it that (!) - has done a disastrous job. They've made a mockery of the whole thing such that more and more people will say "who cares?" when it comes to the environment - but we SHOULD care!!! The environment nurtures us. It gives us life. And there are so many tell-tale signs out there that we're screwing it up, but the ones on our side for covid mostly turn a blind eye to that :-(
I don't think the Earth and the other life on it deserves to suffer because we can't get our systems in order. Why are we so special? Don't other lifeforms have just as much right to live and prosper as us? I guess some would say only those at the top get to have it all...but so many humans don't realise just how fragile WE are on Earth. The Earth is tough. She'll be fine enough. She's taken asteroid hits, been a helluva lot hotter, and a helluva lot colder, but lots of life might not be OK. We have had it so good for so long that we think we're actually truly OK, that we can handle almost anything. People forget that CO2 going up to 4000ppm or something is going to make us as dumb as dogfood. Our species evolved in LOW CO2. Rising CO2 IS a problem - for our brainpower! So unless we all plan on wearing proper masked helmets outdoors and breathing artificial air whilst our plants grow out of control (no, we won't have a wood-fuel problem then, ha ha!), and having to live in sealed places indoors, then we really ought to have been incorporating some major change, oh, well over 20 years ago!! Over 50 to be fair. And don't have those nukes. Or WW1. Or WW2. All we need are a few extra volcanoes to go off and THEN we'll see how well we fare with those sky-high 'greenhouse gases'...
But everyone else reading this will probably laugh and think we're nuts! That we're 'worst-case-scenario' types. That it's not really that bad.
Time Will Tell.
97% of climate scientists agree that global warming is real. Also 97% of all virologists and epidemiologists agree that vaccines and lockdowns and masks are needed to stop the spread. At least that was how it was put to me back in 2020. And this article was written in 2020. So we can give him a bit of slack on that one. But the amount of scientists who have dissented from the consensus now is quite impressive. And the data is not that hard to read.
Books like Epstein's remind me more of Fauci's style of manipulating the data. Funny that folks would be opposed to that in one instance and embrace it in another.
I haven't read the book but it does seem all the rage now not only on the right which is not surprising, but on the socialist left too.. Trouble with both crowds seems to be a loe of materialism in a human centric world. Socialism traditionally for sure. Nature is here for our pleasure only. No intrinsic value of its own. It's also a traditional Christian notion, the idea of a dead material world that God has given us to lord over. So with those sorts of biases, any book that offers unlimited opportunity for further exploitation with no repercussions would be welcome. I think better to go back to the stone age and start over..
I haven't read the book either.
But I did read a lot of comments and book reviews today about it, plus some background info on Alex Epstein.
I'm rather in agreement that it is based on a 'human centric world'.
'Tis a pity most people commenting here (and elsewhere) can't realise that without the Earth we don't exist.. Well, WE will exist, but perhaps a number of generations down the line won't...
This just in Robyn... is it fake news from lame stream media?? Well it's being reported on multiple sites... But maybe they just want to take away our pick up trucks...
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/oct/13/almost-70-of-animal-populations-wiped-out-since-1970-report-reveals-aoe
What a bizarre thing to say. Perhaps you need a bit more education...
Check out some REAL science and don't listen to bullshit about "climate crisis." This is how the Bad Guys put a worm in your brain.
So you're saying trust the science.. and you understand the science do you? or are you just getting your trusted info from the authorities you trust? like big coal and nuclear?? i thought so.
LOL Excuse me? What? Oh, just fill in whatever I've said that you don't understand with whatever comes into your mind! What are you, thirteen?
I trust ACTUAL science when it's making sense and logical TO THE POINT that it is understandable and seems to function in the world. Science isn't religion. Science is about questioning, always. But when things seem to be working, you use them and they continue to be working, then you use them. You are clearly having trouble understand the difference between science and people TELLING you what to think.
And I don't think I've said ANYTHING about "big coal and nuclear." Anywhere.
People with high ego and anger levels tend not to be good at weighing the actual evidence. There's a lot of them on here. Sure in the pandemic anyone with a bullshit meter that was half working could see through the facade. It's a little trickier when it comes to the state of the natural world. We don't want our rights taken from us and one of those rights is to do with the world whatever the hell we want when we want. It's the American way for God's sake. I'm not really sure God wants any part of it however. Yeah we don't want our freedoms impinged upon and that includes freedom to fuck things up real good. So keep on ignoring the warning signs and party like it's 1899.
How little you understand me, a stranger, and how easy it seems to be for you to assign all sorts of unpleasant things to my character. It's FAR from a party in my world. I agree there are LOTS of people who trample the flowers and generally act like our planet is a giant trash can. I am appalled, too, Tarun, but why you think I'm one of those kind, I can't imagine, since this is the first time I've seen you, I think.
And I feel about the Earth the way some people feel about their many possessions... I want to protect it, keep it beautiful, stop the destruction. If you read my page, maybe you'll get a sense of what I'm about. Yesterday I posted a really cool video about water and a guy called Viktor Schaumberg... You'd probably like it. There are wonderous ways of doing things that we could do, if we can get these damn oligarchs out of the way... Go watch the video... you'll probably like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXPrLGUGZsw
I am not the enemy. I'm only trying to let you know that YES, there are problems, but it's not a "climate crisis." It's that we need to stop the chem trails, stop the strip-mining, stop the air pollution, stop the water pollution... It's about BIG polluters and BIG business and BIG industry that should be changed and turned to healthy, clean, NATURAL ways that are very cheap (and that's why we don't have them!!!!!). Cheers.
Even if there is a climate emergency, the elites aren't going to solve it in a way that benefits everyone.. Small is beautiful... local democracy is the way to get away from the elites.. Totally agree that there are solutions that are not being implemented due to bureaucratic stupidity... Some cheap and some pricier but worth it.. Tesla a hundred years ago had good ideas but died disgraced. His ideas still aren't implemented.
People talk about Germany failing at green technology but they were obviously dependent on gas. They didn't have a green system and when the gas failed they went down.. Doesn't mean it doesn't work, just hasn't been implemented yet. Someone here said they spent hundreds of billions of euros on wind.. i find that hard to believe.. there is a lot of anti green propaganda out there now and it has to be inspected carefully..
I don't think Tesla was disgraced, he was DESTROYED. By Edison and those other rich men looking to make tons of money when Tesla wanted to help the People... They stole his ideas, hid them, and then destroyed his work.
There's so much actual functioning, clean, brilliant and incredibly cheap technology "out there," but it's being heavily censored and disallowed into the public sphere because it would put a lot of very rich men out of income (they could, many of them, live off their interest alone!).
Did you see the water video I gave you the link to? It's AMAZING. And very much in the same sort of realm as Tesla worked in... There are clean, very cheap, very simple and highly Earth-friendly ways to get what we need, PLENTY of them, but we are kept in the dark because MONEY.
Yeah, i'm watching it right now but my damn email is blowing up.... ha.
I want to take a class for this...
(hope your email calms down, lol)
And I'm not going to further argue with incoherent people who appear to have overdosed on meth and fentanyl.
Have you woke up to the damage you do clodhopping around the world destroying everything in sight? Have you gone extinct or would you rather take us all down with you?
vhemt.org ... just for you
Zackly. It's that bunch of psychos that are trying to get us to believe in a "climate crisis." Surprised? I doubt it. You're on it.